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Is it Time to Make a Trade?
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Week 5 has arrived, and with it we the completion of a quarter of the fantasy football season. Whether you're 4-0 or 0-4 (like one of your hosts, yikes) you may be looking at your team and thinking you might need to make a move. Well Grant and Steve are here to have a discussion about some players that they think you could either try to buy low on or sell high on. As always the guys break down some of the important injury news you may have missed and if they really think that the Giants will make a change at QB.
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Transcript
Introduction to the Podcast
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fantasy football action. Thanks for joining us. This is the 25 yard line. You're starting place for fantasy football success.
Fantasy Football Standings Discussion
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I'm your host, Steve Johnson. And I have with me via the internet one grant Freeman. What is up grant? You know, just living the dream. Uh, currently Owen three in three leagues that matter the most. Uh, are you sure you're the right person for us to be taken advice from?
00:01:09
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That is be questionable. I'm mean questionable at best at the moment. That's exactly one more league than I'm currently 0 and 3. And I would like to say that I am also 3 and 0 in multiple leagues, 2 and 1 in the rest of them. But yeah there are a couple struggle buses that I'm currently sitting behind the wheel of at the moment.
Explaining the Guillotine League
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The the upside was is I wasn't the first team eliminated in our guillotine league. so Oh, all right. So talk about the guillotine league for a second. You've joined this guillotine league. what What's it taught? what Okay. So what is a guillotine league first? So yeah. So guillotine league is that you instead of playing head to head match ups, it's basically try to score the most points in in a week.
00:01:50
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So while it's hard of players, yeah. So, so we've got 14 teams and it's, we've made it a super flex league. So meaning you could, you, you, you have a flex position that you could start a second quarterback in if you wanted to.
00:02:06
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ah But at the end of the week, after the week has finished, stack corrections have won, have run, ah the team that scored the least amount of points is chopped, hence the guillotine, and their entire lineup goes back into the waiver pool for everybody to pick up.
00:02:27
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So you started this week three, right? So this is the second week. So this is week two is going on right now.
Week One Waiver Pool Review
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I've i've got a, I've got a nice chance to, uh, I think I may still be good, but in week one, uh, the players that ended up back in into the waiver pool for us, uh, were the likes of, uh, Baker Mayfield.
00:02:50
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Anthony Richardson, sake one Barkley. Oh, all right. So that's, that's a fun one. Yeah. Take one Barkley, Devonta Smith, ah Trey McBride, Brian Robinson, like oof a lot of, a lot of top tier players, which then makes like waivers.
00:03:11
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that much more crazy to see happen, because I don't think there was anybody that had less than like three people trying to claim them. You still do waivers, not a not fab, right? Free agent budget. Correct. Correct. Because you would probably blow your entire you would probably blow your entire budget just in the first week trying to get some of these players.
00:03:36
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don't blow that budget too early.
Vampire League Experience
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They'll come back to get you. Uh, well that sounds fun. I don't quite know that my heart is ready for that level of pressure. My vampire league have been enough. I, so in my vampire league, speaking of weird leagues, I played the vampire this week and he was so confident that he was going to beat me.
00:03:58
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because I think he was expecting another four touchdown game from Juwan Jennings. And he took a shot at the at the champ and he lost. So I got a super, super easy win from. ah um
00:04:20
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from the vampire. So Hey, it's a good week. That's a good week to play fantasy. Let's talk about the week a little bit. Yeah. We're, we're going to talk a little bit about this past week. We're recording this on Monday during the first of the games. So there were actually iate both of the games. but Oh yeah. It's 5 20 PM right now, Monday nights. So the other one just kicked off. So there's four teams we're not talking about today, but let's talk about the rest of them. We'll talk about the week. But before we do that,
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Let's get into a little bit of news
Christian McCaffrey Injury Update
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today. So Grant, talk to me about your boy, Christian McCaffrey. Uh, yeah, so Sunday, everybody was, the rumor was that McCaffrey was likely to return sometime in November. Uh, and now today, uh, as we were watching the Monday night, uh, countdown, uh, Adam Schefter has come out and said, apparently he's got the tendonitis in both of his ankles, not just the one.
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yeah Did you hear Shanahan's kind of trying to downplay that yeah how shahan pitch the night when there was some blowback coming back about, about maybe the Niners not being forthright about the severity of the injury. And Shannon was like, okay, okay. Well he does have it in both, but it's way worse than in one of them.
00:05:46
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Yeah, not ideal. So what are the chances he's going to play again this year? i've i I put them as a Niners fan who is hoping for the best. I put them at slim.
00:06:05
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As our friends across the pond say, it is the hope that kills you. Yes.
Fantasy Strategies for Injured Players
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If you drafted CMC first and didn't get Jordan Mason, I do believe that this is good for you because it's the last time in your fantasy football career you will ever not draft a handcuffed, a handcuffed in your fantasy drafts. If you did not get Jordan Mason, I was talking to a friend the other day and he said, man, I just can't wait for CMC to come back.
00:06:33
Speaker
And I was like, well, Jordan Mason's been doing fine. So yeah, obviously you miss the guy you drafted at one, but at the same time, like Mason's been doing solid. And he was like, ah I don't have Jordan Mason. And I said exactly the same thing. yeah That's the last time you're ever going to not do that. Yeah.
00:06:56
Speaker
So we'll keep an eye out on the news, but, um, it, are you, are you ready to drop him or throw him on an IR slot? Or if your leak doesn't have IR slots, I know it's crazy, but those still do exist. I'm currently in two. Are you gonna, are you gonna let him sit on your bench on the, on a hope and a prayer? What if he comes back late in the season? I i think, I think it all depends on your record right now.
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Because I don't, I don't think it does.
00:07:30
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I think even in my own three leagues, if I, if someone drops him, I'm going to go, I'm going to go grab him off waivers just in case. Yeah. If he plays at the end of the season, even just the last couple of weeks, if you can scrap and scrounge your way to get there, great.
Anthony Richardson's Return
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If not, you're taking them away from someone who is in the championship. Yeah, that's true.
00:07:52
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Well, let's talk about another injury that's a little less personal to you. Anthony Richardson left the game early, looked like he maybe could have come back, but with the game at hand stayed on the sidelines. Are we expecting him to miss time? Uh, all the reports are pointing to him being back in week five, but if you're a Michael Pittman owner, you're kind of hoping for him to miss more because Joe Flacco looked really good throwing it to Michael Pittman. Oh yeah.
00:08:22
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Yeah, Pittman had good numbers. Richardson has been so bad that I do kind of wonder if he spends a little bit more time on the bench and they're just not gonna rush him back.
00:08:37
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Yeah, it's one of those things too where I just don't understand the play calling in Indianapolis because he came out for a play because of a part like because he was feeling sore and then immediately when he goes back in the first play they call is a designed QB run that he ends up getting hurt on.
00:08:58
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Yeah. Like I think, I think like, yes, I think Anthony Richardson has some growing to do in his decision making and his past throwing, but also what are the Colts doing?
Colts' Play-Calling Critique
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Calling a designed run play when your QB just looked like he was a little shaken up on the previous play. Let me tell you what they were trying to do. Grant is they were trying to get to Joe Flacco.
00:09:22
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And one might say that that was the play call of the year. yeah If the Colts keep winning with Anthony Richardson on the sidelines.
00:09:32
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Yeah. All right. Look out, look out for news on Anthony Richardson. I am hesitant to start him when he comes back. I hope you have other options. I, we you and I were talking before the show, I believe there's only two of my eight leagues that I don't have Anthony Richardson in and it's, I didn't start him anywhere this last week. Anyway, I started Caleb Williams over him in multiple leagues. You know how I feel about Caleb Williams this year and it is not positive.
00:09:56
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but that was just another ah in in a vampire league. My quarterbacks were Anthony Richardson and Caleb Williams. So Caleb Williams is my starter going forward in that league until Anthony Richardson shows he can be better.
Debate on Starting Richardson
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If you can get anyone else there, there's probably still Eddie Dalton, Sam Darnold are probably still out on the waivers in, in your league. Go get those guys. If you need a quarterback, you you're pretty much better off starting anyone. Uh, anyone that you possibly can. Yeah.
00:10:25
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other than him unless you're in a super flex league where you really need to yep, so Reishi rice had one of the most wild I don't I don't remember seeing an injury like this if if you guys didn't see the game. Did you watch this injury happen? No, but I saw the replay Patrick Mahomes throws an interception Reishi
Rashee Rice Injury Impact
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rice running down, trying to make the play so that an interception doesn't turn into a pick six. Patrick Mahomes goes to also help try to make the tackle totally misses the tackle and instead just drops a shoulder straight into reishi rice's knee is best receiver since Tyree kill just hit some straight in the knee. They're now fearing torn ACL likely out for the year. Can we, can we just say drop a bull in all formats and move on or are we waiting for more news?
Fantasy Replacement Suggestions
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I think you got to wait for more news because they haven't officially confirmed the ACL. If they if it's a torn ACL, then yeah, if you're in season long, if you're redrafting, keeper leagues like that, I think you drop in. If you're a dynasty, I hope you've got IR spots because you got to slot them in there. But yeah, it's it's not looking good.
00:11:44
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Yep. Uh, this could be, so we're going to be talking about trade targets today. This could be your last week to buy low on x Xavier worthy. Yep. That is my only comment on the ratio rice news. Go get x Xavier worthy this week because they've been using both of them in pretty similar fashions. A lot of yeah your, your, your, your Tyree kill role where your job is just to be fast and Patrick will get you the ball and you go be fast. And now they only have one guy that can do that.
Juju Smith-Schuster's Role Debate
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And his name is yeah worthy.
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You think Juju Smith Schuster is going to be their, their main target. Come on grant. Give me a break. Malik neighbors. one of You know how I feel about Juju Smith Schuster. Oh, it's similar to how we all feel. Malik, Malik neighbors, um, hat is currently in concussion protocol from playing football, not from banging his head against the wall as a New York giant, but any word on when we're going to see him again.
Malik Neighbors Concussion Protocol
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um yeah i What you ah hate to see ah is him go down in the concussion protocol, because if there's any bright spot on a New York Giants offense right now, it's the fact that he's probably going to get like close to 400 targets this season. and Yeah, why stop there? like Yeah. and And be a main reason as to why you may have a successful fantasy season, because he's going to get you the catches in the yards.
00:13:15
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um On average, NFL wide receivers miss one to four weeks with a concussion and at least 75% miss at least one games.
Giants Quarterback Rumors
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I mean, your bright spot here is that since they played on Thursday, he's had an extra three days to improve his odds. ah But probably missing, you're you're probably he's probably a long shot to play in week five.
00:13:50
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Yup. I would agree, especially with how concussion protocol has been getting so much tighter around making sure players are actually out long enough. Unless your name rhymes with schmooch McAvoy Loa. I would, I'd look elsewhere this week.
00:14:08
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Yep. Couple more guys. think I'm just flat out avoiding the Giants offense altogether. Yeah. A thousand percent. So let's talk about Daniel Jones while we're on the topic of the league neighbors. Yeah. Potential benching are we actually going to see a non Daniel Jones offense or are they going to keep committing to the $40 million dollars man?
Giants' Organizational Critique
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Oh yeah. So there's been some rumors coming from some of the New York beat writers that after the Thursday night game, uh, some veteran players went to Brian Dable and, uh, wanting a change at quarterback.
00:14:47
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um And the initial reports coming from those same beat writers is that we may be seeing drew lock this week obviously nothing official has come from the team yet, but The guys in New York are pretty like in the know with some of this stuff So it wouldn't surprise me if this changes if that changes coming up this week I Have a follow-up question, okay When Drew Lock is your backup, what's the point? Like, what what are we gaining here? yeah The Giants are punting on the season anyway. Does it really matter who's there?
00:15:31
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ah that's no That's what's baffling to me. We've seen a lot of Drew Lock. This is not a Tommy DeVito situation from a year or two ago. We've seen a lot of Drew Lock. We know what he is.
00:15:45
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If Daniel Jones isn't going to get it done, do we really think that drew lock is going to be the savior of the franchise? No. When, when, when the front office box at play page sake, one Barkley 12 million, but they're fine. Pig Daniel Jones, 40 million. You got bigger issues at play.
00:16:04
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Yeah, this is an organizational issue within the New York Giants. They are an absolute joke of a franchise. I don't know if you saw this this this clip from the Hard Knocks offseason stuff, but ah the GM of the Giants was asking his kids who to draft, and all of them had really good answers, and kind of felt like maybe they should be running the team, not him.
Giants' Offensive Challenges
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Like they're all saying grab Jaden Daniels, grab Jaden Daniels. like His kids were only looking at quarterbacks and he was like, Oh, not that, not the neighbors was a bad choice. Obviously he's crushing it as well. However, the fact that there's not a quarterback in that room after this long that can play football, there was a split second, like three seasons ago where we were like, you know what? Daniel Jones is going to get it together, but we're, we're past that shirt. Go to, go to drew lock. If you want, does it change the offense at all?
00:16:57
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No, no, absolutely not. If Malik neighbors, you play him because he just could catch anything thrown in his direction, but sort of in his direction. Daniel Jones is throwing the ball. Yeah.
00:17:12
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Yeah, that offense is Malik neighbors. So you're starting him no matter who's at quarterback.
Puka Nacua's Absence
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Once he is back healthy, Puca, Nakua missing another month. Anything really to say there? I mean, yeah it's, it's just, it's rough. If you're a Puca, Nakua owner.
00:17:29
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is more than anything, is you're still holding out, you're still hoping, but it the weight is now getting longer. So if you're a mess if you were a if you're a Cooper Cup owner, you love it because it just means more target share for him. Even Tutu Atwell ah was a bright spot in in a lackluster showing from the Rams this weekend.
Live Fantasy Updates
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ah Darn right lackluster showing from the Rams bear down, baby.
00:17:59
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I just got a notification that David Montgomery just scored a one yard touchdown and I need to see if that's in the league. I'm playing you and it is. ah Nope, it is not. Nope. Nope. Don't have him in that league. You've got Jared Goff and dek going right now i have alro Brown and I'll buy a good amount.
00:18:21
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you're You're up by 13 points. That's like, am I just bad at math? Yeah, I'm just bad at math. I was thinking I was up at like 30.
Standout Players of the Week
00:18:29
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Yeah. All right. Now we're cool. working but All right. Nevermind. Let's move on with the show. Great.
00:18:38
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All right, standout player of the week. This is where Grant and I will each highlight a player from the previous week action who it exceeded their expectations on the field. Grant, give me your standout player of the week for week four of the NFL season.
00:18:55
Speaker
I mean, it's Derek Henry, back to back weeks of 100 yard rushing and touchdowns. So ah this week it was 24 rushes for 199 yards and one touchdown with another three catches for 10 yards and a touchdown. so Uh, Derek Henry owners are living the dream right now and it makes me laugh even more after listening to what happened in the game. The Jerry Jones is press conference last Sunday after the Ravens just trounced the Cowboys and here Jerry Jones go. We couldn't afford Dak Prescott or we couldn't afford Derek Henry. couldn't afford derick henry
00:19:36
Speaker
Yeah. So, uh, if you are a Ravens fan, you love it because it's keeping Lamar healthy. he What is, what's Derek Henry's contract currently looking like? Uh, so I feel like, I feel like the, the Cowboys, I mean, I know they had to pay Dak. I know they had to pay ah CD lamb this off season, but cap space doesn't really exist in the NFL. Yeah. And he, he signed a one year, $10 million dollars contract with the, no, wait, hold on. Two year, two year. Um, his cap hit this year. Oh my gosh. No, these numbers have to be wrong. We're looking at over the cap. He said he signed a two year, $16 million dollars contract. Do you know? Yeah. But look at the guaranteed number.
Cowboys' Cap Space Analysis
00:20:29
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$9 million.
00:20:34
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No. yeah Okay. Signing bonus. Guaranteed salary is 1.2 million. Oh yeah. His base salary his base salary is 1.2 million. Yes. And then, Oh yeah. Guaranteed. Guaranteed. So had he been terrible, they could have gotten out of it for very cheap. That is, that's a fake contract.
00:20:58
Speaker
Jerry Jones can't afford this. No. At most it's 16 million over two years. He can't afford 8 million a year. he was he His total guaranteed was 9 million. So it's not as cheap as it his base salary. OK. That's including signing bonus. Yeah. His base salary is 1.2. So that's fully guaranteed. That is $4.5 million dollars a year.
00:21:29
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Yeah in the NFL that's that number is equivalent to zero. Yes. This is wild. Yes wild.
00:21:41
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um All right. Well that wasn't even our topic today. I'm just.
00:21:49
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My mind is just
Justin Fields' Performance
00:21:51
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blown. What are the Cowboys at right now in terms of total cap space? They have 23 million in cap space right now, as we sit here in the moment with projected 29 million next year. This is, that was. a Now I'm just mad. I'm not mad because I wanted the Cowboys to do well. yeah I'm mad because Jerry Jones opened his mouth and said a Jerry Jones thing that is like, it just makes the NFL look bad when that man talks.
00:22:23
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yes This is absolutely ridiculous. Absolutely foolish. Let's move on. Grant. This is is is insane. oh Who was your standout player of the week? Man, we haven't even gotten there yet. Have we? All right. So give me my man, Justin Fields. And there is, there is one reason and one reason. Well, okay. Two reasons. Number one is because he had a heck of a game.
00:22:44
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The second reason is that this is showing that maybe, just maybe, the Bears are to blame for their quarterback situation. but Maybe, just maybe, you shouldn't have kept your incompetent coaching staff to ruin another young quarterback's career. At least Justin Fields got out. there All right, so here's a stat line this past week.
00:23:08
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and like Mind you, he is still technically Russell Wilson's backup. I hope the Steelers are smart enough to flip that around for Justin's sake and for Steelers fans' sakes. But he is still technically QB2 out there. 22 at 34 for 312 yards and a touchdown. Mr. Can't throw the ball. He's just a running back. 312 yards as a running back. And then another 10 for 55 and two touchdowns on the ground.
00:23:41
Speaker
My boy put up, uh, 30, uh, basically 32 fantasy points this last week. you know ah I, I just, I just have a lot to be mad about when it comes to this section of the show, apparently grant, but yeah Justin Fields looking like a reasonable quarterback. Hey, oh funny. What happens when you give them a coach that really wants to work for him?
00:24:07
Speaker
Yeah. And knows what an offense looks like. Yeah. That helps. Yeah. And an offensive coordinator that wasn't basically just a guy getting paid to hold to Aaron Rogers's clipboard for his entire career. Accurate.
Fantasy Trade Strategies
00:24:24
Speaker
So let's move on to our our main topic of the day. And today we're going to talk about making some trades.
00:24:32
Speaker
When is it time to buy low? When is it time to sell high? Now we we like to have a trading conversation every year. Typically we spend a lot more time talking about the um the philosophy of sculpting a trade. Yeah. So go back to one of our past seasons, if you really want to get that, but let's, let's spend a couple minutes on that right now and then we'll get into some sell high and buy low candidates and get out of here. But.
00:25:01
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Grant, what is your what is your main goal when you're trying... This may be too open-ended of a question, but we're going to see where it goes. but like how how how do you Your mindset when you're approaching a trade, like how what is your goal in mind when you're trying to get a trade done?
00:25:18
Speaker
So when I'm when I'm trying to get a trade done, it's I'm trying to look and see what do I need to improve my team and what can I what can I essentially sell to the other team to improve their team, ah if that makes sense. So it's it's it's recognizing like, well, take There's a one of our dynasties leagues that we're in. I am kind of I'm i'm in a bit of a spot in tight end and quarterback. But I've got a plethora of wide receivers and running backs. And so it's looking at my team and looking at my looking at somebody else and going, okay,
00:25:54
Speaker
I have the running backs of the wide receivers to help improve. Potentially you're starting running backs to wide receivers. You have the quarterbacks and the tight ends to hopefully help me improve my quarterbacks to tight ends. And at the end of the day, try to find a deal that somewhat meets the may like meets, beats, meets both of our needs in a way that makes sense.
00:26:15
Speaker
Yeah, that's a great way to put it. So obviously you want to come out of the trade feeling like your team got better, but you are going to get more deals done. If you're trying to find a deal that makes both teams better. Yeah. You're so often I get these offers that are just, just terribly lopsided. Yeah. Let me give you these three players for, for your superstar stud. Absolutely not.
00:26:46
Speaker
What I would highly recommend is think about the players in a deal. Often I try to stay away from like two for ones and three for ones, but there are situations where it works, but look at your starting lineup. Look at the team you're working on a deal with. Look at their starting lineup and. yeah Picture what players can slot into that starting lineup. Stop trying to trade bench players, but slot in yeah starters in their lineup and into your lineup and see if you can work out something where you're giving them someone that they can start while you're getting people that you can start in your lineup.
Sam Darnold Trade Discussion
00:27:21
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yep So with that in mind, give me your, we've got five
00:27:29
Speaker
We got five sell high candidates. We have four by low candidates that we're going to go through very briefly. Give me your first sell high candidate. Yeah. I mean, I think the first one is, is Sam Darnold. If you were lucky enough to pick him up early in the season after his first game or second game, uh,
00:27:52
Speaker
the The Vikings look like a high-powered offense. And if he is sitting on your bench as a as your backup right now because you're starting a guy in the likes of Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen, somebody like that, like this is your opportunity to sell Sam Darnold to somebody that is struggling at quarterback because ah you could get some great value back for him because he threw through, through it all right now. Uh, I believe he is one of the top ranked quarterbacks at the moment this season. Yeah. If you, if you have a Justin Herbert owner in your league, I think the big one, and obviously this is just on my mind because it's me, uh, if someone went Anthony Richardson in your league, uh, has their main quarterback. And I was recommending during the draft, if you get Anthony Richardson, you don't need a backup quarterback.
00:28:44
Speaker
Yeah. So, and then obviously Anthony, Anthony Richardson had a huge week one. So the next three weeks, a lot of us have still had in our mind, maybe he could, maybe he could bounce back at least for the last two. So the Anthony Richardson owner of your league is probably going to need someone a hundred percent. yeah So when you're currently quarterback five on ESPN and quarterback number four on sleeper. So yeah.
00:29:11
Speaker
Yeah. That's gotta to be some weird scoring there. Why is it? Yeah. Well, we'll look into that mysteries in the universe. But what kind of value are you looking to get back for a quarterback like Sam Darnold?
00:29:23
Speaker
ah I'm looking at if you're one of those player if you're one of those people that maybe was ah like as Isaiah Pacheco Rashad white owner Something like that if you're trying to get you're kind of struggling that RB I think you could probably get a good top tier RB one potentially ah Maybe mid tier RB one for the the likes of Sam Darnold In what world This is wild. We're going to go to, we're going to go to top running backs of 2024. You said top to mid tier RB one right now. That is James. Uh, no, this is, uh, why is, why is this happening? give me Yeah. Give me like an era Jones a Zach monster, James Connor. You are insane.
00:30:11
Speaker
Let me, so, okay. Okay. All right. Play this, play this situation out with me, not as the person who has Sam Darnold, but as the other person who has Anthony Richardson, you are telling me that you would rather roll out Sam Darnold plus, I don't know. Uh, Devin Singletary.
00:30:35
Speaker
that you would rather roll out Aaron, Sam Darnold, plus Devin Singletary than Andy Dalton and Aaron Jones.
Evaluating Trade Scenarios
00:30:44
Speaker
Oh, Devin Singletary? No.
00:30:47
Speaker
Okay. Well, this is what you're asking people to do. If you're trading away, Aaron Jones, Aaron Jones, yeah ah you you likely drafted him a little bit later. What was he a fifth rounder this year? You drafted him as your second running back, or you went wide receiver early. So like they're realistic. i'm I'm in multiple leagues where my two running backs are Aaron Jones and Zach Moss because I went wide receivers super early, or I grabbed like a sample of Porta early.
00:31:14
Speaker
So in those leagues, my, my next best running back after Aaron Jones, I'm gonna, I'm gonna pull up a couple of my leagues right now. this, I didn't think we were going to get in a, uh, into a, a philosophical argument about this. We might not get to all these players today. but Here we go. I have Aaron Jones, Zach Moss, my next best running back in this league. Well, actually I went Pacheco in that league. It's a bad league, bad example. Um, because now I'm just out of running backs.
00:31:45
Speaker
you realistically, you would go Aaron Jones. Aaron Jones is currently running back number seven, running back number seven. You would, if you are an Aaron Jones owner and your quarterback is Anthony Richardson, you're giving up Aaron Jones. You're giving up Aaron Jones for Sam Darnold. If your quarterback is Anthony Richardson, no, I'm not.
00:32:13
Speaker
What about if your quarterback is Derek Carr? ah Yes. You're giving up Aaron Jones for Sam Darnold. Because Derek Carr, the state's offense is suddenly so all over the place. Yeah, no. I'm not saying Derek Carr is good. I'm saying you're there's not a world where you give up you give up Aaron Jones for Sam freaking Darnold. Oh, I guess.
00:32:44
Speaker
All right, give me a real answer now that you got your terrible answer out. Realistically, who are you trying to get for Sam Darnold? I will be looking through all of our leaks tonight. And if you have Aaron Jones in any leaks, I need you to know that I'm going to ask the Sam Darnold owner to send you a trade offer. And then I will be posting screenshots of when you don't take that offer because it's a terrible offer.
00:33:13
Speaker
Give me a real player. Give me a real player. George Pickens. Uh, turning it down. You're turning it down. I'd rather have Pickens.
00:33:31
Speaker
Devar to Adams. Come on. Let's be serious here. Okay. Say flowers.
00:33:43
Speaker
Oh, I'm considering it. I need to be so desperate though. I need to be so desperate to go to Z flowers. I think I would probably do flowers if I was desperate. Yeah.
00:34:00
Speaker
realistically, I'm probably, I mean, all right, so if there's people that are that are gonna do deals like that, then I would agree. And this is, I guess, probably just showing that I don't think of Darnold as highly as maybe some of the people on the, um I guess that's why he's a sell high that if you can find someone who is excited about him as apparently you are, then you should be taking advantage of that delusion. but Absolutely. In your league. i I have noticed Justin small sample size in my leagues. I've seen a lot of people putting Sam Donald on the trade block and getting zero action on it yeah because I think a lot of people aren't that willing to go get them. If you can find it though,
00:34:45
Speaker
If you can find it, if you can find some, if you can find a grant in one of your leagues, take advantage of it. Take advantage. We're looking at it like, like if you waited late and you got like a Brock Purdy, Kirk cousin, it i Brock Purdy is a bad example, but like Kirk cousins, uh, Jared Goff, something like that, where like, yeah, they're struggling, been struggling. And you're a team that's maybe Oh, and three or one and two, and you need to change a quarterback. Like,
00:35:14
Speaker
You may have to go pay a little extra to go get a guy like Sam Darnold right now. That's totally fair. I am giving up my third wide receiver for that. Still starting, but I'd give up my third wide receiver.
00:35:34
Speaker
Certainly, certainly not my main one. All right. So here's, here's someone I'd give up. Uh, Christian Kirk. Yeah. I'd give up Christian Kirk for Sam Darnold.
00:35:46
Speaker
I think that's, uh, uh, yeah, Jerome Ford's fine. Uh, would you do Deontay Johnson?
00:36:00
Speaker
I might. Oh, that's crazy. This is insane. All right, everybody. If you're in a league with Grant, go take advantage of him. Now you heard it here first. yeah He has a Sam Darnell Jersey on the way.
Amari Cooper Trade Advice
00:36:12
Speaker
Let's move on before you say anything else ridiculous. Let's talk about your next L high player and hopefully we can have a reasonable discussion this time.
00:36:24
Speaker
ah The next player that I think you're trying to sell high is Amari Cooper. ah He's coming off of two games now where he looks like the wide receiver that you have won. Well, he's coming off of one game last week. Last week was really probably your best opportunity to sell high on him, coming off of a seven catches for 86 yards and two touchdowns. ah This week, Jerry Judy was a little bit more ah highlighted, but again,
00:36:51
Speaker
If you were somebody that waited on Amari Cooper late and there's somebody that is currently going through like the Rashid Rice injury or um is struggling with the Cooper cup or Pukinakua, you may be able to sell Amari Cooper to that owner and get some good kind of mid tier wide receiver running back value back for him. Because I think realistically, I don't think With Amari Cooper, I think you just are trying to get you're trying to get the value back for him because the Browns ah offense is so weird this season. It doesn't look good. Weird is an interesting way to phrase terrible.
00:37:34
Speaker
Well, it's terrible, but there's still some bright spots. Like Jerome Ford has been consistent across the board as that started running back. Jerry, Judy, Mari Cooper kind of going back and forth as to who has the better game. So it's like there's some value there, but I don't want to think you, if you, you don't want to be playing the guessing game with the value you eat a week. Would you rather have Sam Donald or Mari Cooper?
00:38:01
Speaker
I'd rather have Sam Darnold. So would I, we found a, we found some common ground grant. That's what I'm trying to do here today. Found some common ground. All right. So we talked about this name earlier and I think we're going to have a big disagreement here.
Deontay Johnson's Fantasy Value
00:38:16
Speaker
So talk to me about why you think Deontay Johnson is a sell high candidate and why no one should believe you.
00:38:26
Speaker
Uh, I mean, it, it all depends on. It all depends on how Andy Dalton goes. If Andy Dalton continues to play the way that he's been playing, looking like the quarterback that everybody loved in Cincinnati, I think he's got a ton of opportunity that you can hold on to. But the Panthers have been so.
00:38:54
Speaker
The Panthers have been so middle. the season, uh, that you i don't know middle'll of what the trash heap. Exactly. meant Garbage. The Panthers have been so garbage this season that I don't know if Andy Dalton can keep it up long enough to salvage the entire, like the value that you may be drafted. Deontay Johnson. He was going so late. His ADP was like,
00:39:26
Speaker
It was later than the 10th round. I, all right. So here's, here's where, um, do you have many any leagues? Uh, I think I got them in one, maybe two. All right. I'm going to have them in my guillotine league.
00:39:41
Speaker
Yeah, I'm not in that league. I just want to know which leagues I can has him in Let me let me read you his target share under Bryce young um Six targets Six targets which led to two receptions three receptions He caught about a third of those targets from Bryce young 19 yards 15 yards didn't break 20 yards either time two games with Andy Dalton under center and Uh, 14 targets, 13 targets, a touchdown of both games, 122 yards, 83 yards, eight receptions, seven receptions, and he don't locked in on them. They only scored 10 points in that game. And Deontay Johnson still managed 21.3. Okay. Take away that touchdown. Cause he's not going to score a touchdown every week. He's still caught about half of his targets, which is a number that should regress closer to the mean. He should catch more than half of his targets.
00:40:34
Speaker
Um, he's still without that touchdown is that still a 15 point game catching 50% of his targets. I will take that all day.
00:40:47
Speaker
That's PPR scoring, obviously. I'll take that all day. If they go back to Bryce Young, I will immediately dump all of my Deontay Johnson shares. At this point in time, they went from looking like they would not win in a college football game against Illinois to actually being able to be a little bit competitive in an NFL level. Not great.
00:41:12
Speaker
but a little bit competitive at an NFL level. And Andy Dalton seems to be locked in on Deontay Johnson. i will I will take all of your shares of him so that you don't have to worry and stress about it.
00:41:26
Speaker
For me, he is a buy at value because you're not going to get his value low. But whatever his value is right now, I think is about where it's going to be for the rest of
Bengals' Running Back Committee
00:41:36
Speaker
the season. I i will cash in. you If you can still get anyone on the fear of how bad the Panthers are, give me all of that fear mongering and give me Deontay Johnson with it.
00:41:50
Speaker
So your next two guys. um
00:41:55
Speaker
I don't have anything negative to say. So why don't you just, uh, why don't you just make an impassioned and beautiful argument about why we should sell high on Chase Brown and Juwan Jennings? Uh, I mean, Chase Brown, it, what was seeming like potentially was a running back by committee.
00:42:13
Speaker
is turning out to be a running back by committee, but it seems like Chase Brown is edgy. Well, he's not even edging out because they had the same amount of right touches this last week. um But it seems like Chase Brown is able to do more in the rush game for the Bengals than Zach Moss is. So again, I think you You're looking at that owner that had Isaiah Pacheco Rashad white even Javante Williams is the third RB option And you could probably get some the You could probably get some good wide receiver value back for him ah Because it seems like he's gonna be the guy that's gonna have the hot hand.
Juwan Jennings' Performance
00:42:55
Speaker
You want to know what's really funny is yeah ESPN doesn't even know the difference between Zach Moss and Chase Brown because I literally clicked on Chase Brown and I searched his name so there was one player on the screen yeah and it brought up Zach Moss's player profile.
00:43:12
Speaker
ah but yeah Yeah, it's definitely is is turning out to be one of those productive running backs by committee. Yeah. Depending on if obviously um Chase Brown is not going to get two touchdowns every every week. He's only done once. So I of the two, I totally agree. I would rather have Zach Moss of the two.
00:43:38
Speaker
If, if I have chase Brown and not Zach Moss, which why would you have left a draft like that? That's crazy. But if that's the case, then.
00:43:49
Speaker
I would straight up trade. I would offer Chase Brown to the Zach Moss owner and just see what happens. Or better yet, collect them both, just in case one of them gets hurt. yeah But I really like Zach Moss's usage in the red zone. It seems like there's yeah a little bit more creativity going into the play calling that features Zach Moss. Chase Brown's touches have gone up. he's He's definitely edging in equal number of carries, two less receptions. I mean, basically broke even.
00:44:18
Speaker
But when the game was on the line, where do they go, Zach Moss? Yep. So I'm with you on it. Get something for him. Juwan Jennings. Why are we getting rid of him? He had four touchdowns last week. Three. He had three touchdowns last week. He had seven touchdowns last week. Why are we getting rid of him? Because I don't think you can sustain that production. So I think you're trying to capitalize on the production that he has shown, but the minute, like with Diva Samuel, George Kittle, and Brandon Ayuk all healthy, it eats into his target share drastically. So he still can put up the yards when he gets the catches, but as we saw, like the target share went down a little bit this past week. Went down by 50%. Yeah, so I think you're- Both targets are fixed targets.
00:45:16
Speaker
you're trying to you're trying to capitalize on the You're trying to capitalize on the big game that he had ah last week and try to get him out to get some better just a little bit better consistency at your wide receiver position.
00:45:30
Speaker
Yeah. I really like having him here too, because I don't think we, who are we talking about? When we were talking about Amari Cooper earlier where he had a huge game and then we've waited a week since that huge game where in the second week since Amari Cooper had the huge game, it, he kind of put up a bit of a dud. Yeah. So at least but shaan jenning is still there's Yeah. Juwan Denny's did not do that. Juwan Jennings just radiate yards. So yeah, that are that's 30 yards a cat. I'll take that. And he still gets six targets with kiddo and I, you can debo all on the field. And if I know, if I know one thing about fantasy football, it is that Deebo Samuel has not missed his final game of the season yet this year.
00:46:17
Speaker
Yeah. He, and likely the same with George Kittle who left the game and was questionable to return. Yup. Juwan Jennings is maybe not a weekly starter, but he has done enough that you, you could get some real value for him. You might get weekly starter value out of him. Might get a Deontay Johnson type player
Buy-Low Candidates in Fantasy
00:46:38
Speaker
out of him. I don't know.
00:46:41
Speaker
So go for him. Let's talk about by low players. Uh, give me, give me your number one by low player. I think it's Kyler Murray. Yeah, it is. Cause I think, I think, I think realistically potentially the Kyler Murray owner may be worried because outside of the four, the four games that you've seen this season, only one has come over 20 points.
00:47:07
Speaker
and one has been less than 10 points. So you may be able to flip a Brock Purdy or like, a I mean, this is wild to say, you're going to Patrick Mahomes for Kyle and Mary because Patrick Mahomes is weird all over the place. That's controversial. Let's talk about that for a second. So you would rather have Kyla Murray, then Patrick Mahomes, rest of season.
00:47:46
Speaker
Look at that schedule. I iye think I would based on the schedule that I'm seeing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Me too. He just lost Rishi Rice.
00:48:03
Speaker
Yeah, Mahomes is obviously from an NFL standpoint still Phenomenal, but this this Chiefs team is not the fantasy Beast that it was a ah year ago and two years ago over the last couple of years They've slowly been getting less and less productive in terms of fantasy points. Obviously as far as the NFL is concerned They're still a highly productive the best game in football Especially when the refs are on their side, which is most of the time. Oh but fantasy wise, they're, they've become a defensive team. Their defense is really freaking good. And Patrick, they don't need to, they, yeah, the defense is good and they don't, because of that, they don't need to go score a ton of points a week to week.
00:48:47
Speaker
Yeah, this isn't the Tyreek Hill era when they had no defense. And if Mahomes didn't score 35 points a week, then yeah and they would lose the game. That's not the, that's not the Chiefs anymore. He doesn't need to do that. He needs to, obviously he still makes the wild plays, but functionally he's only needed to play as a game manager, which is totally new for him. I'm sure he has needed to just run some clock, not lose the game.
00:49:14
Speaker
Get first downs. And that's what he's doing. And it's frustrating to watch. So frustrating to watch. So frustrating to watch. But from a fantasy perspective. As the owner of Patrick Mahomes in the Superflex League, I hate it.
00:49:27
Speaker
Yeah, dude. Uh, Nope. I don't want to do it. I was gonna say I have Kyler Murray in that league and I don't want him. I don't want my home. Come on. Come on. Come on. Key on Coleman. Talk to me about key on Coleman. Uh, so this is a guy that I think was especially a dynasty. People were super high on.
00:49:53
Speaker
Yeah. Super, super high on the potential of him being Josh Allen's number one target. Yeah. Was a very, very, very, very, very, very high. And it's turned out that apparently Josh Allen's number one target is Khalil Shakir and Keok Coleman is kind of just sitting off to the side. Um, so I think at dynasty you could probably, I mean,
00:50:18
Speaker
I know that I had to drop him in one of our dynasty leagues due to the fact that I had injuries that I needed to take care of with other players. ah But he is a guy that I think you could maybe is is ah is a guy that I think you could stash and and hold on to for dynasty wise and probably get him for a little bit of value if if somebody was hoping that he would be a wide receiver two for him or wide receiver three could maybe find ah trade, trade, ah trade away some of that, some of that lower value that you may have as a wide flex to get a guy. I love that. I love that as a dynasty pickup. Are you, are you looking at him and redraft at all?
00:51:03
Speaker
i I'm not until you see the actual target, until the target share really, really improves. yeah His snap counts. Not great. that he's He's not really shown anything that any, any hint that he's going to do anything yeah outside of the one touchdown. It's really been a middle. it's It hasn't even been enough to be a middle of the road season. ah Exactly. so So let's move on to the Jacksonville running back room. What are, what's your interest there?
00:51:30
Speaker
I just think with how bad the Jaguars have been, you may have a Travis ETN tank Bixby owner that is like worried and just trying to dump them because they just need to get somebody in there and that'll do something. Um, because at the moment, like.
00:51:51
Speaker
Like take this, take Bixby this week, seven for 90 and Travis Etienne 11 for 50. But like the Jaguars offense looks really weird. I don't expect it. And I mean, just bad. I don't expect it to stay this bad for this long. And so I think there's value there late season for them when they turn it around, ah that if you can go out and get these guys, if the Travis Etienne, take Bixby owner is worried.
00:52:18
Speaker
Uh, and it's trying to make a move. Yeah. They've also had some tough defenses, the first handful of weeks of the season. Obviously their offense has been super stale, but they they had to play Cleveland, which has been a phenomenal defense. Buffalo is yeah obviously a great defense. Houston is a very good defense. Even Miami, their, their defense has been overshadowed a little bit. They've been a good defense.
00:52:45
Speaker
Um, but yeah, so you've got like, you've got new England coming Philly coming. in Tennessee green Tennessee twice this year. Like you've, you've got, you've got some juicy defenses there that if you can stash one of those two guys, like you, you could end up in a pretty good spot down the stretch.
00:53:07
Speaker
in the fantasy playoffs, you have Las Vegas and Tennessee. Yeah. Uh, this is, it's obviously you're taking a risk because they've become a straight up timeshare 11 carries 11 carries. Uh,
00:53:30
Speaker
It just did it again to me. I clicked on tank bigsby and ESPN was like, did you mean Travis? Sorry. Seven carries. 11 carries. Yeah. Uh, but even, but even if you go back to week one, it wasn't even split 12 carries and 12 cares. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, so they're, they're, they're becoming more of a timeshare. Obviously Etienne is the, is the, is getting the first dibs, but, uh, tanks go eat.
00:54:01
Speaker
Tank is getting you more yards. ETN is getting you the touchdowns. Yeah, which I care about the touches. Is what you want, is the touchdowns. Yeah, oh sorry about that. i get ah yeah i care I care about the touches. I want to know how many times he's going to touch the ball because Ultimately you cannot rely on long breakaway runs. They happen. yeah We saw this with JK Dobbins. I talked about it a couple of weeks ago that the first two weeks he went off and what did I say? This is great that he's doing this. It's great because it shows us he has the speed. However, you cannot rely on an 80 yard touchdown every week and he's fallen off since those two weeks.
00:54:47
Speaker
yeah Because is his stats have not been propped up by these huge 80-yard runs. So I'm pro ETN, but I would like to get them both if I have it. So I'd go out and get them both. All right, one more player that you are trying to buy low. Close this out and send us home, Grant. I think it's DJ Moore. I think he's he's getting the looks and the targets. It's, and I think with, as the season progresses, he's going to continue to look like the guy for Caleb Williams. Uh, I mean, if you look, especially this upcoming week, they got Carolina in week five, Jacksonville six. yeah You also got Arizona week nine, new England 10, like there's some juicy match ups there that I think
00:55:42
Speaker
DJ more will be able to capitalize on. Uh, but he's been like, he hasn't, he hasn't been bad enough to lose your group league, but he hasn't been the like wide receiver three flex that I think a lot of people were looking for. So and even in some leagues he was going as like their wide receiver two, or if you went running back, running back tight end, something like that. I have seen some teams where he's their wide receiver one.
00:56:08
Speaker
Yeah. ah you You may be able to get them just because that owner is looking for needs, needs to make a change for somebody a little bit more consistent at the moment. Yep. And the bears should get better. Again, you know that I don't have faith in the coaching staff, but, um,
00:56:30
Speaker
There's only up from here and they have been improved over the last two weeks compared to the first two. as Have you, have you seen the guy on tick tock that's tracking Caleb Williams, the, the offensive stats versus the punter stats? No, I thought it was going to make me sad. I'm already sad as a bears fan every day. It's, it's, it's a difference of, I think 54 yards on the season thus far. Oh gosh.
00:56:55
Speaker
this is nonsense, but the offense is winning. The offense is winning. but No, the defense is winning grant. The defense is winning. Great defense. Praise the Lord.
Monday Night Madness Game
00:57:07
Speaker
Well, let's move on to our ultimate roster for the day Monday night madness.
00:57:14
Speaker
So Grant and I are playing ultimate roster. If you've not heard of this before, this is a game online, ultimate roster dot.com. You can go in, you'll have a prompt for the day, kind of like how wordle works or something like that. And you need to create your best, uh, your best lineup based on the prompt for the day. Quarterback wide receiver, running back tight end and a flex player. Here we go. Monday night madness part.
00:57:40
Speaker
dear Must've played for one of the four teams on Monday night football tonight within the last 10 seasons. Titans, dolphins, lions, Seahawks stats will only be applied well on an aforementioned team. So we are looking for the stats over the past 10 seasons.
00:57:58
Speaker
applied while on that team. So I think the obvious, uh, obvious place to start here is at quarterback. And for me, I feel like you got to just go straight to Russell Wilson. Is it Russell Wilson or is it Matt Stafford?
00:58:21
Speaker
That's a super fair question. but They've both been away from said teams for a similar amount of time. ye So, uh, obviously we don't do any Googling for help, but if you put the player's name in, it will give you the years they're active. So Stafford came into the league in 2009. I believe Wilson was 2012. Let me look. Yeah.
00:58:47
Speaker
Uh, Russell Wilson was 2012. We get an extra three years with Stafford. I like it. Let's go Stafford.
00:58:55
Speaker
All right. Give me your, uh, and it wasn't until 21 that Stafford made the jump to LA. So yeah I have an idea for wide receiver, but I want to hear yours. Oh, wide receiver last 10 years.
00:59:20
Speaker
Oh no. Johnson was out of the league too soon. Yeah, I don't. Yeah. He retired 2015. So that technically within the last 10 years, he retired as a lion, but I don't think it's long enough. That's what only be applied while on an aforementioned. So all of his lion stats will count. Oh,
00:59:48
Speaker
as long as he's been on the lions in the last 10 years and he has. So then I think it's, I think it's, I think it's Megatron is your, is your wife super one man. I agree. And so let me pitch, let me pitch someone to you at flex. I think it's Tyler lock it. Mr. Mr. Consistent. Mr. Inconsistent. Mr. Regularly has 150 yard three touchdown games 2015 to 2023 so far. So Yeah. um All right. So at running back, there's an obvious one to me.
01:00:28
Speaker
the Is he from hail from the north? No, dar Henry. Yeah, you're right. Henry over. Oh, so I was thinking Marshawn Lynch. Well, that's what I was thinking too. Yeah.
01:00:43
Speaker
I agree. So Derek Henry for sure. Running back. Do so. Do we want March on Lynch or Tyler lock it? I'm going to say lock it. I still think lock it.
01:01:01
Speaker
All right. So then we just need to talk tight ends. Uh, that's what only be applied while on the team. So Jimmy Graham is out. Uh, Titans, uh, Delaney Walker. Oh, yep. That's a good one. I like it. It's between him and Hawkins said for me. And I think Delaney Walker is the Walker was 06 to 2019. Yep. Better choice. All right. So we have Stafford Johnson, Henry Walker lock it. Let's do this.
01:01:32
Speaker
Oh, robvin Johnson was not. Interesting. Oh, wow. DK Metcalf. Okay. And it was Russell Wilson.
01:01:45
Speaker
Interesting. I'm wondering if the 10 year stat thing was always in a play because Calvin Johnson was only 488 points, which is Very low.
Podcast Conclusion
01:01:57
Speaker
All right, so optimal roster. Russell Wilson, Tyler Lockett, Derek Henry, Delaney Walker, DK Metcalf. All right, cool. Well, that's our ultimate roster. We we walked out of there with an A well, that's the show. That's what we got for today.
01:02:24
Speaker
Good luck if you are currently battling away in in your week for match up on Monday night. I hate to turn off right now. I hate the jerk off right now is 11 for 11 for 83 yards but has that throw to touchdown is working for me working for me. Hey our game's getting closer. All right. Well enjoy. Gosh.
01:02:51
Speaker
Enjoy your guys's weeks. Thanks for joining us on 25 yard line and we will see you next week.
01:03:01
Speaker
I can't believe I believed in golf.