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Team November's "Hello World But In Space" App
25 Plays10 months ago
US Army veteran Giselle Ross and future MD Jeffrey Fung discuss their beginner-friendly space exploration planning app, built with a diverse team at the Fall In Vets Hackathon. Leveraging APIs, "Hello World But In Space" aggregates key info on satellites, planets & more to help enthusiasts of all levels plan stargazing sessions. Learn how this one-stop-shop tool was developed in a weekend to grow interest in space.
GitHub Repo: https://github.com/DAJCOCHRAN/HelloWorldButInSpace
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Mentioned on the pod: Jeffrey Fung's app to support youth with visual disabilities: https://bit.ly/PavioApp
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Transcript
Introduction to the Fallen Hackathon and Guests
00:00:01
Speaker
All right. All right. Uh, welcome everyone to the fallen, uh, hackathon podcast. Uh, we just finished doing a space hackathon this past weekend, which was, um, you know, may 17th to the 19th, uh, 2024. We're joined by team November with Giselle and Jeffrey. Yeah. Why don't you guys kick it off by telling us a little bit about yourself, your military background. If you have that.
00:00:30
Speaker
you know, how did you hear about the hackathon? What kind of made you gravitate towards it?
Giselle's Journey from Military to Coding
00:00:35
Speaker
And yeah, let's just start with your background. Giselle, you want to go first? Yeah. So I'm Giselle Ross, and I'm actually a US Army veteran. I recently separated back in April. And I was a medic for the past six years. Moved around a little bit. Only had two duty stations. I was in Maryland and then went to Alabama.
00:01:00
Speaker
And from there, my husband got a job in Tampa, and that's where I live now. And the last four months of my military contract, I did a skill bridge, which allowed me to go to a coding boot camp. I went through with Galvanize, and that's actually where I heard about the fallen hackathon. One of my friends or cohort mates that I was there with, he mentioned this hackathon.
00:01:30
Speaker
back in like February and I looked into it and I was like, oh, this one's really cool. It's three days too. So I was like, decided to take part. Awesome. Jeffrey, you want to go next?
Jeffrey's Academic Background and Tech Aspirations
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Yeah. My name is Jeffrey Fung. I was born and raised in San Francisco and I did my undergraduate at UC Berkeley studying neurobiology.
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and then ended up going to Loyola University out in Chicago for a master's in medical sciences. And so really most of my background is in medicine and I'll be starting medical school at University of Illinois and moving there in the August. So since giving all my backgrounds mostly in medicine, I think
00:02:20
Speaker
I really wanted to develop skills in the tech industry because I think it's just a really amazing and impactful industry, an area where you can create a lot of tangible changes. That's what really excites me in terms of how I want to move forward.
00:02:37
Speaker
as a physician and a physician innovator in the future. And I found out about this hackathon through actually one of my friends Gladys, who also doesn't have a tech background, but really saw an opportunity to like learn and build new skills through the hackathon while kind of supporting the veteran community. And I have some experiences like volunteering at the VA and
00:03:01
Speaker
and really want to support the veteran community in the future. And I just thought this would be a great opportunity to really network, but also learn some new skills along the way in computer science since I'm a complete beginner to the hackathon. But it was an amazing experience and I'm really happy to be here. That's awesome. I kind of want to dive into your medical background here. Did you say you're about to start medical school or you're endeavoring towards medical school? Right.
00:03:33
Speaker
Which medical school are you attending? At University of Illinois College of Medicine. Very nice. Cool. So yeah, you must be really proud that you got in after taking your MCATs and all that sort of stuff. And do you have a choice for residency or anything like that, as far as duty stations?
00:03:55
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probably not completely sure yet, but definitely as far as specialty, kind of just looking around and interested in specialties where there's actually a great opportunity to bring in like new technologies. And I think the specialty of just general medicine actually gives such broad opportunities to bring in new technologies to improve the workflow systems and be a better kind of advocate for underserved communities.
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So I think any specialty that really allows me to kind of bring in diverse experiences and contribute in unique ways to really improve the environment would be something I'm really interested in. Nice.
Giselle's Interest in Tech and Animal Apps
00:04:42
Speaker
And Giselle, I'm curious, you know, what was it about tech and coding that made you want to come to this field? Because it sounds like you were doing something totally, totally different while in the military.
00:04:55
Speaker
Yeah, so similar to Jeff as to why he's doing tech, it's mainly because you have such a, just a broad variety of things you can do with technology and you get to be creative about it and you can kind of come up with your own solutions for things that you care about. So something that, that I really like is a, is animals.
00:05:24
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I'm an animal lover. And before I did the bootcamp, I assisted my husband. He created like an app for dog trainers. And so what you do is like, it's like for videos and blogs and that kind of stuff. So that's kind of, I thought it was really cool. And so that's one of the main reasons I got into tech is just how diverse it can be and helpful to.
00:05:55
Speaker
Nice. Yeah, imagine it's a big career change. And, you know, I'm not sure if you guys are aware, but every participant gets a one on one mentorship with me. You know, I've been mentoring veterans, breaking into tech for the past few years. And yeah, if you want that sort of coaching mentorship, schedule a time and get you locked in. And then one last question for Jeff's background.
00:06:25
Speaker
Do you know which field of medicine you want to get into post medical school? Have you thought that far? Are you taking it day by day type thing? Yeah, so I think there are definitely some fields I'm really interested in fields like cardiology, gastroenterology kind of areas where I've actually personally seen a lot of actually some innovations, tech innovations really
00:06:50
Speaker
be integrated really well in the medical devices that really assist physicians in caring for patients from diverse backgrounds. And I remember just shadowing a cardiologist and he told me that there was a heart monitor that was actually just, that can be placed on the patient's chest and can track their heartbeats. And then that data was actually just, or that device was created by
00:07:16
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a physician in training who just decided, you know, there's gotta be a better way to track a patient's heartbeats when they go home and then come back to the hospital and track it over a longer period of time. And I just thought that was so cool and something I would love to be involved in in the future. Yeah, that does sound really cool. You know, anytime I hear about innovations that don't exist and it sounds like it became a startup, I really dig that.
Inspiration and Creative Process for Space App
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Speaker
Going to the Hackathon, I want to dive into what initially sparked your interest in creating an app for space enthusiasts. Maybe Giselle, you can take this one. Yeah. So I'm not typically a fan of space, but I really thought this was a really cool opportunity to be creative and get outside my comfort zone and do something that I'm not used to. And I actually got to learn about different
00:08:16
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the different space stations out in space. So I thought that was a really good opportunity. Nice, Jeff. You want to go next? Yeah. I'd say a big, I'm also a lot like Giselle. I don't naturally follow a lot of space
00:08:37
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innovations. But I really personally have a big passion for education and being somewhat of an advocate for accessibility to education. And I think that was a bit reflected in our app that we eventually created, where it's somewhat of an educational tool, which kind of shows users information about things in space. And so that's what really excited me about getting involved in creating a tool that could help
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people really interact with space in a different way that's never really been experienced before. So that's really what sparked my interest and what's actually still been keeping me going. Nice. And can one of you talk about how you guys came up with the tagline, Hello World, but in space?
00:09:27
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Yeah, I'll let Jeff take this one. We were we were all literally just sitting in our Discord and we were just like, so what do we want to call this? We came up with the idea for the actual app. We never came up with a name, but we were just sitting around and, you know, we were just cracking jokes, like coming up with the corniest titles. And I think I mentioned, like, you know, a great idea would be to call it like look up.
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And that was immediately shot down, just like, no, that's not happening. God, that's too corny. So then, ended up, I think it was our team leader who was talking about, you know what a lot of people, a lot of coders encounter is that hello world tagline. And then, I mean, that's just so relevant to just space exploration, just the world, just essentially when you discover something, it's like, hello world.
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Hello, like to a new world. And then, but this time it's in space. And that's what the goal of our app is to really get people to essentially look at the world from a different perspective. Right on. Very cool. And so let's dive into the project a little bit more. And maybe Giselle can take this one.
Features and Educational Goals of the Space App
00:10:44
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But what would you say are some of the unique features that the app that you developed offer and
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how does that compare to existing solutions in the space exploration tool vertical? Yeah, so something that I even found to be really interesting and I thought useful part of the app. So we implemented a weather API into it. And the purpose of that was to, so say you want to go see the ISS from nearby
00:11:22
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And you make a whole plan and you go, and it's foggy, you can't see anything. So the purpose of the weather API was for visibility purposes. So if you play on the day, you can tell if it'll be visible or not and whether you can take that time to go see, and it's not a waste of time. Cool. And would you have anything to add to that, Jeff?
00:11:48
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I think some unique features also are that you can, what makes it unique, I guess, is that it centralizes different types of space objects and information about their location. There are apps for stargazing and for, you know,
00:12:07
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finding different objects in space but there's no app that actually centralizes everything that's in space and every type of thing and you can actually there's a menu in our app that lets you check which one do I want to see and which one do I want to learn more about and then if you click on like let's for example say the international space station and you're curious about the location of that in space you can click on that box and it'll tell you more about the location of it where it will be and
00:12:33
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what the weather is like around your area and the radius around your area to see if it's visible or not during that day. And then kind of gives you some fun facts along the way. So it helps you kind of plan your trips and stargazing adventures beyond just the limitations of previous apps. Very cool. And how did you guys divvy up the task and start collaborating with each other as a team?
00:13:04
Speaker
Yeah, I can answer this. So we actually had a senior developer with us on our team. So he really took the lead as team lead for our project. And Donald pretty much kind of gave us the role. And for some of us, we didn't know how to code at all. So he was really good at dipping that role as well and actually giving them useful things to take care of.
00:13:31
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Then for those who can code, he gave them specific tasks as well. And we used the Trello board to kind of divvy up those tasks as well with what we're comfortable with. And I don't know if Jeff has anything to add to that. Oh, absolutely. I think as a complete beginner to coding, I just didn't know terms like what is a scrum? What is agile? What are these different types of workflow methods?
00:14:00
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I've just never heard of a Trello board, so it was really amazing to see how these tasks get divided up and how they get accomplished and put into the review stage and then put into the done stage. I thought it was so cool in a way that I think that a lot of teams should be working in different sectors of the world, too. And I know this is Giselle's first hackathon, but is this your first time, Jeffrey, being in a tech environment, remote tech environment, kind of learning?
00:14:30
Speaker
different methodologies as far as how to get things processed and developed. Absolutely. Up until a few days ago, I've just never heard of what a read me is. Truly, from the beginning, clicking my mouse, just learning the basics, but it was so much fun. Nice. I'm glad it was a lot of fun. I want to dive into the challenges. What would you say was the most challenging aspect of developing your app?
00:15:01
Speaker
Did you want to go first? Yeah, I think as from a design standpoint, I think a slight challenge was that we were trying to figure out how to make the app not only aesthetic, but very functional. I think when it comes to design, we try to make it as human centered as possible and as like user friendly. But at the same time, we also understand we need to bring in functions that are like very unique to our app.
00:15:31
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but also balancing not making it too design heavy, where it's like, I don't know what I'm looking at. There's just too much on the screen. So I think that was a challenge that we were kind of balancing. And especially because we were making our designs on Figma, so trying to translate that into actual code. At least for me, I had to keep in mind kind of what's possible and what kind of design is even feasible, especially in the short hackathon time period.
00:16:00
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But as far as the actual technical difficulties, I think Giselle could definitely speak more on that. Yes, I would say the most difficult on the technical side was actually being able to implement everything we wanted to within, I think we started Saturday to really implement the tech side. Friday was spent all day planning. And so just being able to actually get everything that we really wanted to on that app
00:16:30
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by Sunday. So the time crunch was kind of the biggest difficulty. And then I would actually say that another challenge was using the Trello board. Sometimes we forget to look at it. And so we're working on our own thing and then someone else is working on it too. And so I think that was a big learning lesson as to really following the plan that we set forth for ourselves. But
00:16:59
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I mean, overall, it was a good learning experience as to what our weaknesses are and what our strengths are, and just improving from there. Nice. Yeah, I'm glad you guys were able to tackle through those challenges.
Design and User Experience of the App
00:17:13
Speaker
Can you walk us through the user experience, the UX, of basically planning a space exploration session using your app? Yeah, Giselle, do you want to start with that? And you mean like,
00:17:28
Speaker
how we planned or what it looked like, or Kiyuru, I guess you're phrasing. Yeah, just like, yeah, you know, how you guys came up on what it would be for the user to use the app, like the experience for the user. And then, yeah, let's start there. Yeah, so we really wanted it to be very easy to use. So we had a landing page where you just click like an enter button.
00:17:58
Speaker
And so once you click that, that landing page kind of already sets the mood for like you're going to see space objects, that kind of stuff. So when you click Enter, it takes you to a card. And so we wanted it to be very, very simple. So on the left side, we had a list of different objects you can see. And then when you click on that checkbox on the right side, it'll give you
00:18:26
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those different objects and how far they are from you, the visibility, and then underneath was your location. And so we wanted to be able to give those who learn differently to see it simply written down in a list, but also to be visually able to see it as well and imagine how far it could be from them.
00:18:52
Speaker
Yeah, to just add a little bit, too, is that I think the main thing we all were directed towards was to make this app really a one-stop shop for kind of all the different types of space objects out there, but also to make it as visual as possible. As you saw on the bottom part, there's the Google Maps, and you can visually see as much information as you can just naturally by understanding the objects on the screen.
00:19:22
Speaker
Now, this app isn't just for space enthusiasts. It's meant to kind of somewhat be an educational app to cultivate interests from children as well and any kids or students who are interested in space. And that's why we wanted to make it as visual as possible and interactive because it's very personal. Right. If I click on where the ISS is, I'll see it in relation to my personal location and really understand how things are, how quickly things are moving in space.
00:19:51
Speaker
and where they are in relation to me. So that's one way we really wanted to make sure that the app user experience is more personal but also visual and is broad so it can really reach a broader audience beyond space enthusiasts. Yeah. Nice.
00:20:12
Speaker
Now, could you talk a little bit about what data sources or APIs that you guys use to integrate or that was used to provide information about space objects?
Technical Tools and APIs Used
00:20:25
Speaker
Yeah. So we used three different APIs. And it was where the ISS at. And then we used the Google API and then a weather map API. And that was pretty much everything we implemented into there.
00:20:43
Speaker
Nice. Now, how do you ensure that your app caters to both beginners and experienced space enthusiast? That's more of a general question here. Yeah, that's a great question because I will say that we initially were trying to ensure that our app caters initially to beginners, right? Making it as simple as possible, you click this box and then you see this information and some fun facts about the object.
00:21:14
Speaker
As far as experience space enthusiasts, I think that's definitely something we need to explore moving forward because we do try to make our apps as broad as possible and reach a larger audience. But as far as the educational standpoint, I think it would be a great
00:21:31
Speaker
tool to essentially cater towards really people who have an interest in space, but don't necessarily have the tool to really access that information in a centralized fashion. Giselle, do you have more to add on to that? No, I think you pretty much hit on every point. I think the only thing an experienced enthusiast might find helpful is probably the visibility part and
00:22:02
Speaker
future dates and that kind of stuff to go take a look at those objects. Cool. I know there was a lot of activity for the hackathon. There was workshops, there were speakers. Could you guys, does anything memorable come up in mind? I'm curious, what was the most memorable moment for you guys during the hackathon? Sure, yeah, I could get started. I think there are two main things that really stuck out to me.
00:22:30
Speaker
The fallen community is definitely something that really stuck out to me as far as how collaborative and supportive it was. I really felt like I could reach out to anyone, whether that was Hugh Jamil, whether that was Giselle, or even just other judges. Adriana was also really helpful.
00:22:49
Speaker
So that community was something that was really special to me and something I just I'm new to tech and it was just such a great welcome into the sector and I'm really grateful for that. And beyond that, the team aspect of my own team November is something I'm really grateful for.
00:23:05
Speaker
As you know, I'm a complete beginner. I know how to click my mouse and I think that's about it. But beyond that, Donald, our team lead, literally sat down with me one-on-one just to literally teach me what a readme is. How do I make edits? Giselle one-on-one taught me how to make edits as well in the readme or how to work with a Trello board.
00:23:28
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And Ben also played a huge role in like literally talking me through the most random questions I have about the simplest things. But you guys, I'm really grateful that you guys really like, you didn't treat me like, like, I guess someone that you just wanted to brush aside.
00:23:44
Speaker
That was one worry that I had before I ever joined. Because I knew how essentially useless I am to coding at this point in my career. But moving forward, you guys have inspired me to really pick up that skill and really invest more time into it. So I'm really grateful for that. Awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead, Giselle. Yeah, I can go ahead. For me, I also really enjoyed the community.
00:24:14
Speaker
would say kind of was a big impact for me is just see if like a couple of women there that were coding and being in the tech field, it's, it's not, there's not many women that you see around. It's, it's predominantly male. So it was really good to see that there. And even though they all ranged from several levels of coding as well, I think Adriana being there
00:24:43
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was a really big help. She was consistently checking in on us, making sure we were good on everything. And just having network with her, I think, made a really big impact on me. And then a lot of the talks were really good as well, learning about AI. I think it's good to see that a lot of people, a lot of tech
00:25:11
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people think that AI is going to take over our jobs and stuff. So it's good to see that it's not there yet. And that there's still a lot to learn and AI still has a lot to learn as well. So that was really cool to see. Very cool. Do you guys have any plans for developing the app further in the future or was this just like, you know, like a traditional hackathon project type thing?
00:25:40
Speaker
I'm curious if you guys have any plans for the future with this app. So I can go first. I thought about working further on this project, mainly just kind of completing a few of the steps we didn't get done, like the weather API. But I'm currently working on other projects right now. So I think time will tell whether I'll keep working on it.
00:26:10
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Yeah, I think. But as far as like ways to expand that, I think and improve it, I think.
00:26:18
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we could definitely make it more broad when it comes to its value of the app. I think the app is really great as kind of cultivating interest in space, but I think it could also actually be a real tool for, I was speaking to Adriana about this, how she suggested that maybe it could be useful for tracking
00:26:42
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objects in space for maintenance features. Or I mean, sorry, for the purpose of tracking how long that object has been in orbit or that satellite. And maybe at this specific time point, we should probably keep an eye on maintaining that satellite to make sure it doesn't malfunction moving forward. So there are definitely more broader features and purposes for our app. And I think we just need to explore that and make it more versatile. Cool.
00:27:14
Speaker
Can you guys talk about how the app handles different geographical locations and time zones for space exploration? Yeah, so I can say I'm not 100% sure about the time zones, but the way that it calculates the location and all that, there's a formula. I can't remember the name of it, but there was a formula that we used and implemented
00:27:43
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Ben was a big help on that. And unfortunately, he's not here today to go further into it. But yeah, we implemented some kind of formula that calculated the distance between our location and the ISS. Cool. I want to dive into basically, how do you see your app contributing to the growing interest in space exploration?
00:28:15
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Is this something you guys can, can answer?
Inspiring Space Interest in Children and Enthusiasts
00:28:18
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Yeah, I think so. And it was, how does it, what was the question again? So the growing into space, right? Yeah. Basically, um, how do you see your app contributing to the, to the growing interest in space exploration? Yeah, I think like Jeff has said, a lot of kids get very curious. So I think.
00:28:43
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that would probably grow in wanting to explore more about space. And so having an easy app like Hello World in space to be able to see those quick facts about different objects in space, I think that would, I think that would help. Yeah. And to piggyback on that, I think I realized that actually the app caters to kids
00:29:10
Speaker
are just interested in space but also to not just space enthusiasts but just outdoor enthusiasts right a lot of people who go on hikes or maybe go camping who just have just a curiosity of like what am I looking at when I look up beyond the stars right oh what there's an ISS that's kind of crazy but also just another thing that I think we we could do to really contribute to the growing interest in space exploration it's really
00:29:39
Speaker
actually just straight up adding a link or a way to learn more about careers in space, right? If a kid or a student is interested in just clicking on our app just to see what's above them, that would be really cool if they could also just be exposed to what futures are out there if you continue to pursue this interest of space exploration. So if there was a link to more careers or diverse careers for different types of people and their interests when it comes to space exploration,
00:30:07
Speaker
That would be amazing. And I think even if you're interested in something like medicine, there's just this whole sector of space medicine, which I think is so unique and not talked about enough. That could really be talked about more through our app too, because I'm sure wounds heal differently in zero gravity and in different types of environments. And I think it's important
00:30:31
Speaker
to keep those in mind when it comes to caring for even astronauts or people who maybe have an accident in space and need treatment. So there's so many different ways to take this and that's what makes it so exciting. Very nice. Yeah, I wanted to dive into just like space in general. Do you guys have any space like movies or shows that come into mind
00:30:58
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that, you know, contextually, you're a fan of.
Favorite Space-related Movies and Inspirations
00:31:01
Speaker
I know a lot of people really like the movie, what's it called with Matthew McConaughey or Dune as big. Yeah, Dune too. The Martian. The Martian, yeah. Anything stick out to you, Giselle, and why? Yeah, so, well, those two were kind of the first ones that popped up was Dune and Martian. Dune is just because it's the movie I recently saw.
00:31:28
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But The Martian, my husband loves that movie. He is a gardener. So just being able to see, is it Mark Watney in space? In space, just growing plants. And so I can't remember the name of the team, but the team that did the plants in space, that was, I think, a really interesting idea to look at. And so, yeah, The Martian, that's the reason that it comes to mind.
00:31:59
Speaker
I think a big one is, for me, is Interstellar. I think that movie really, I feel like it went beyond space exploration and just went really crazy with just what's possible on a movie screen in the best way. And it made me cry to watch that movie. It's really emotional. But I think that would be one that really stuck out to me. Yeah. Nice.
00:32:30
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We're good. What's your favorite movie, Jamil? In terms of space, I would say one that comes to mind and my friends might make fun of me a lot for this, but it's, there's two, there's one by Jodie Foster called Contact. And that was just a really trippy movie. She's like, you know, traveling and talking with
00:32:55
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different people that are not human or different beings that are not human. And it's a really fascinating movie. Like she's gone for several hours, but then the scientists think that she was only gone for like, I don't know, like five minutes or something crazy like that. So really well-made movie. And I think another Matthew McConaughey movie, if I'm not mistaken. And then the second one is probably K-Pax, which was really fun to watch. It's like this guy who
00:33:24
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is claiming to be an alien, but he's also very convincing. Like he's convincing scientists and astrophysicists and all kinds of people. So it's just like, it was really cool to see how that movie turned out. But yeah, I think this has been great. I just want to end it with, you know, if you guys want to promote anything, whether it's like your
00:33:52
Speaker
portfolio or anything you guys want to give a shout out to, or if there's anything you need help with, I think that was a great time to do that. Yeah, Giselle, do you have anything you want to share? Yeah. First of all, I want to say thank you for having Team November on here. I want to give a shout out to Team November. You guys did such a great job throughout the weekend. And I think we came up with something really awesome in the short amount of time that we had.
00:34:21
Speaker
If anyone wants to look for someone to collaborate on code with for short periods of time or a bigger project, doesn't matter. I'm pretty much available anytime right now. And you guys feel free to reach out to me. I'll be leaving my portfolio and my LinkedIn with Jamil. Yeah, I definitely want to echo Giselle's gratitude to Team November. I'm really, uh,
00:34:48
Speaker
Really just grateful to me, such amazing people who are also just so welcoming and are natural mentors. That's something I'm really grateful for. I think I'd love to plug a personal project that I'm working on with actually my friend Gladys. We're creating an app called Pavio. And that is an app that brings in human centered approach to
00:35:19
Speaker
teaching students and youth with visual disabilities personal life skills through live mentorship sessions on your phone that you can access and we try to make this app as accessible to different types of people who have different types of disabilities because as we know diverse disability can be very diverse right it can come in different forms and we definitely want to try to support youth who are really growing up and
00:35:47
Speaker
really want to learn crucial life skills to living a dignified life and a life that is independent as well. And I'll leave that link to that website where people can look at our app demo and give us feedback in the show notes. But otherwise, thank you so much for having us and really happy that we had the opportunity to work together.
00:36:12
Speaker
Awesome, yeah, it was a privilege of a lifetime and I'm glad you guys enjoyed it. And yeah, really hope to see you guys again. I know, Giselle, you want to continue to build projects. Yeah, I think with Fall In, we definitely want participants of the hackathons to continue to build. I think we've got some project ideas that you could potentially start tinkering with and maybe find another person to collaborate with.
00:36:41
Speaker
Yeah, that's probably the number one thing we're noticing with hackathons and like, because we work closely with coding bootcamp students is that they kind of slow down and stop coding once the, you know, that program or curriculum is over. So definitely want to help kind of continue that flow. But yeah, it's been wonderful. And then hope to continue to see you guys online. Thanks, everyone. Thanks. Thank you.