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Fantastic Four: First Steps - It's Good Pie!
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Welcome to the series premiere of Femsplaining! Rae and Jenna are finally here, and they're kicking things off with a deep dive into the long awaited arrival of Marvel's first family in the MCU.
In this episode, your new favorite hosts are giving their certified hot takes on Fantastic Four: First Steps—from how Sue finally gets her due, to set design, to Reed Richards being a certified malewife. And yes, they spend a considerable amount of time unpacking the one and only Johnny Storm (and later, Johnny Storms). Come for the pop culture analysis, stay for the tangents that not even the MCU multiverse could weave.
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Humor and Grammar in English
00:00:11
Speaker
All right. There we go. Here she is. There she is. She. The collective she. Like, the collective we. Her.
00:00:22
Speaker
We're just out here changing um grammar. English is a stupid language anyway, so... It doesn't really matter. It's fine. That is the official, um i think that's the official way that like Merriam-Webster's dictionary works. They're like, English is stupid. Let's just put whatever we want in it.
00:00:43
Speaker
Basically, basically.
Arizona vs. Florida Heat
00:00:46
Speaker
Anyway, how's it going, Rae? What's up? how How are things over on your side of the country? um They're hot.
00:00:56
Speaker
Jenna, it's hot. I mean, Suddenly it is becoming like weather anchors. It's very hot in Arizona, everybody. hot in Arizona. Water is wet.
00:01:11
Speaker
Are there lots of lizards? Is it like Florida where it's like hot and there's like lizards? wish I wish. think that I'd be outside more if there was lizards. Like, I think that it's kind of like, oh, even the ah wildlife is like, it's too fucking hot. So they're like, gone. They don't even want to deal with it. Like, I don't know if you've seen that King of the Hill episode where they go visit Phoenix.
00:01:37
Speaker
Like, as soon as Bobby gets out of the car, he's like screaming about how
00:01:44
Speaker
That's Arizona right now. and That is Arizona right now. and That is Arizona like 80% of the time. Right. i'm i'm I'm glad I don't live there.
Backyard Groundhogs and Mole People
00:01:52
Speaker
No offense. But it's hot here. We have like, you know, the the um East Coast humidity. It's like that disgusting, gross humidity. And it's like thunderstorming. And even our – I actually just said this. We have – We have like a family of groundhogs living in our backyard. That's cute. yeah ah the groundhogs, so they they gaslight us. We don't know how many there are.
00:02:16
Speaker
Like one is out at a time. And then sometimes like we we thought there was only one. And then one day, three of them were out. and we were like, wait a minute, how many groundhogs are there? But with the heat, they've been, um they live under our shed. And I think they go like in their burrows. like, we don't want I'm just
Fantastic Four Movie Excitement
00:02:31
Speaker
going to live underground. Same, me too.
00:02:34
Speaker
Mole people. And on that note, it brings us into what we're talking about today, because there is mole Subterranean.
00:02:45
Speaker
There is a mole man in Fantastic Fantastic Four. First steps.
00:02:56
Speaker
Truly, truly. For first kind of episode, basically. Yeah, and I feel... old circlele I feel like it's fitting because it is the i mean it is the thing right now in in media, in pop culture. It's like the biggest thing.
00:03:13
Speaker
And you know not only is it Marvel's ah first time bringing in their first family into the MCU, finally. Finally. Finally. and done done correctly in my humble opinion. Yes.
00:03:28
Speaker
um There's a lot, a lot fangirl over and like, I can already see us going like on 10 different, different paths. Yeah. Terrible habits, terrible habits, but very true.
00:03:40
Speaker
um Yeah, like, i I've always been, like, telling, like, people, like, as the promotion for Fantastic Four for Steps, like, came out, it was just, like, this is the first time I'm genuinely excited for a Fantastic Four, like, property.
00:03:55
Speaker
like I never fucked with Fantastic Four, like, the way that, like, I fuck with this movie. And feel like Fantastic Four, like, purists are just, like... how dare you? Like, this is terrible. This is a bad adaption. bla I'm just like, listen, I'm paying attention now. I think that that's of a win in itself.
00:04:15
Speaker
I mean, it's all relative. Like people are going to hate, you know, people are going to be like, well, they didn't adapt this exact thing from the comics and actually Reed is supposed to blah, blah, blah. And I mean, that that's now that's mansplaining. Yeah.
00:04:29
Speaker
It's that one. Not what we're doing here. Right. um ae am going to out myself real hard right now. um um'm an ah you know I'm an entertainment writer. I write for movies and TV, and I have not seen a Marvel movie in theaters.
00:04:45
Speaker
I literally don't remember the last time I've seen a Marvel movie in theaters. and and i And I haven't even been excited to. like I did want to see Thunderbolts. I did want to see Thunderbolts, but that just slipped away. For very obvious reasons?
00:04:59
Speaker
for one particular reason? Not just because of my sweet, sweet James Buchanan Barnes. Okay. Okay. But no, i like I really wanted to see it, but i just that just kind of slipped away from me. But before that, like I haven't really even wanted to see one. And like all I've been caring about is this one.
00:05:18
Speaker
I'm like, I'm so excited for Marvel again. Fantastic Four. feels like Like, it's almost fitting because they kind of, like, really kicked off Marvel Comics. And now they're, like, can they kind of, like, jump-started my excitement about the MCU again.
Marvel's Continuity and The Fantastic Four's Standalone Impact
00:05:36
Speaker
I will say that like I was similar in that way. um I didn't get and get a chance to see Thunderbolts, even though like I kept telling myself that I was going to go see it. um But I did go see falcon and um or sorry Captain America Brave New Worlds.
00:05:53
Speaker
And even that was like kind of disappointing because like it didn't transition from the series as well as I would have liked it to have. um But yeah, like this was definitely like what I needed to like be hyped for the MCU again.
00:06:09
Speaker
And then I'm just like, okay, maybe we don't have to throw the whole thing away. Maybe we don't have to reboot it, guys. Like, please. They saved the MCU just like they saved their Earth. like And listen, people are going to hate us. like They're going to be like, these dumb bitches have the hottest takes and we hate it.
00:06:29
Speaker
They are going to... like It's going to happen. But a lot of people, I think, are going to agree with with us because I feel like the gent the general consensus in the fandom has been that this is what we've been waiting for. we've been yeah This is what we've been, you know, how many years have people wanted this to be in the MCU? And then since last year when they were at San Diego Comic-Con promoting it, like, it has just been what everyone is waiting for. and And to me, it delivered. I loved it. I definitely agree. Like, I think it left me wanting more, but it, like, not in a bad way.
00:07:04
Speaker
Like, I think that it was executed very well. it like, was a nice, like, clean little low package. um And yes, it does, like, allude to Doomsday and everything like that, but it's not, like...
00:07:17
Speaker
congratulations, you had to watch all of the MCU in order to enjoy this movie. And I think that that's like the biggest hurdle a lot of people have with the MCU. Even like people who are well-versed with the MCU, they're just like,
00:07:32
Speaker
yeah, like you can watch this thing by itself, but it's not really going to make sense unless you watch XYZ thing. And you also kind of have to watch this thing. And it kind of sucks because this thing like isn't actually that good, but you do have to watch it in order to get this little bit of context in like full. And
Character Development in Fantastic Four
00:07:47
Speaker
it's just like, it's a chore. Whereas like, this is just like, you could bring someone and just be like, this is a fantastic four movie.
00:07:54
Speaker
Right, it it's own isolated story. It's like its own thing. Exactly. So I went with my mom and my sister and neither of them know anything about the Fantastic Four whatsoever. And honestly, like my comic knowledge isn't... Fantastic Four was never really on my radar, ah to be honest, with when it comes to comics.
00:08:12
Speaker
um And the only thing I ever cared about when it came to the movie was that Chris Evans was the human torch. like That's like... She's real for that. She's real for that, however...
00:08:24
Speaker
we're going to get to Joseph Quinn and I have a lot to say about him. I also have a lot to say about him. But for people like my mom and my sister who literally went in blind knowing nothing, um, they were able to enjoy the movie and like follow along with the movie. And, um,
00:08:42
Speaker
The only thing that like kept coming up, like my mom would keep saying to me and like whispering because she loves to talk during movies. She'd be like, oh. No. She'd be like, is this how they're going to get into like into the regular universe, Marvel universe? And I kept thinking the same thing, too. I kept thinking, oh, this is when they're going to jump into the main Marvel universe because it's all connected. But I like that they didn't do that. I like that they made it its own self-contained thing.
00:09:04
Speaker
Right. So that was nice. And this is my cup that I got at the theater.
00:09:14
Speaker
They got her, guys. The capitalism got I definitely didn't buy but Mr. Fantastic Cockporn Bucket.
00:09:22
Speaker
Okay, but, like, I can't really say anything because, like, after seeing little Herbert, I want the Herbie lounge fly bag so bad. i don want him so bad.
00:09:33
Speaker
He's so cute. And I'm just, like, every time the family, like, gives him little head scratches, I'm just, like, that's so cute. The fact that you guys are calling him Herbert, that's so cute. ah And he let me tell you, they trusted him enough to leave baby Franklin with him. And, like, that's that's a real one right there. Really? Really?
00:09:52
Speaker
i so i don't even know like du like I don't even know where to start fangirling over this because I loved everything about it. I don't know. What strikes you the most first?
00:10:05
Speaker
I think the thing that struck me the most, like and again, this was like me from the start of promoting this like film and everything, was the practical sets, the costuming, and it's just like...
00:10:21
Speaker
a pure love letter to 1960s retrofuturism. And was like, i was like screaming in my seat over like how beautiful this movie was executed and how much love is clearly put into this film um I think that that's like where like my biggest fangirl thing was, where it's just like, I don't even care if this like movie ends up being like bad or anything like that. like I got what I needed out of this in just that alone.
00:10:56
Speaker
um And I know that... like a lot of people bring up Sue and her like whole like arc and like her characterization in this film. And like, yes, like I love that, but I actually really loved the subtlety of Pedro's Reed Richards and how like everything that he does, like it really plays into that guilt ridden kind of like character that like Reed is like at his core after everything has happened where he's like very soft-spoken and he's very like, um, mindful and thoughtful of like what he puts the team through after like everything. And it just like, I think that that's something that not a lot of fantastic four properties like really like touch on about Reed. It's just like that internalized guilt of like this situation.
00:11:47
Speaker
um and I think that, um, like I remember seeing like a screenshot from one of like, uh, the comic runs about like re talking about like, Oh yeah. Like me making my friends and my family famous is like kind of my way of like repenting for what I've like inflicted onto them by making them what they are now.
00:12:11
Speaker
and I'm just like, that's so interesting to me and like how they've played into the commercialization of the team and all of that and how it's like,
00:12:23
Speaker
really plays into everything. Like I, again, like I've never been so excited about Fantastic Four until this. um I also really love how like everyone's smart in their own ways.
00:12:37
Speaker
Like it's not just Reed who's smart. It's they're all smart in their own way and they're all contributing to the team and they really just feel like that solidified family.
00:12:48
Speaker
and it's
Galactus and Practical Effects
00:12:49
Speaker
like really nice to see Yeah, it's funny that last point that you mentioned. I actually um have an article waiting to write that I pitched that is basically talking about how this Fantastic Four team is not Reed.
00:13:04
Speaker
Yes. that That's a lot of the times. Reed is the big brain. Reed is the – he's a little more confident and everyone else kind of like, you know, they do their part. But this one – it And I want to say it put Reed on the back burner. It didn't. But it made him more almost like he he was more supportive of his team. He was almost afraid of his genius in a way.
00:13:29
Speaker
yeah And I really liked the, oh my gosh, what was i I'm trying to think of the word. I really like the focus that they did on um Johnny because they were like, Johnny is brilliant too. Like he's ah not just a random dude they sent to space. like he's not just ah They didn't just send him to space because he's Sue's brother. Like he obviously had a place. And though, you know, Reed says it in the beginning, like, oh, I picked the three best people I could have taken to space with me. And they just happened to be my family.
00:14:02
Speaker
But they show that. They show that Ben is ah is an and a skilled pilot, and they show Sue is really ah great leader and and the forward-facing person. Reed is obviously you know the but brain, and Johnny brings so much to the table.
00:14:20
Speaker
like If it wasn't for him, to be honest, they could not have won the day because he translated oh whole language from three words, and that's brilliance. Right. So I love that they really made each one shine.
00:14:33
Speaker
Right, exactly. And i I think that that was like always my issue with other Fantastic fantastic Four adaptions, where it's like it relies so heavily on like the male fantasy like power trip of just like, oh yeah, like the smart nerdy guy like is like the leader of this team. He's got a hot wife. it's just like, I get it But please shut up. but And also, and also this read, this read was 100% a male wife. Like he was, this read, you can't tell me he was not a male wife.
00:15:10
Speaker
I love that for him. i love that for him. He was like, he would cook and clean for her. You know it. If she, if she snapped, he'd jump. like Right. it's I like that a lot, though. But I also enjoyed how they started the film off with it not being an origin story. That ah that was awesome.
00:15:33
Speaker
It was fantastic. It was fantastic. Unfortunately, I've found myself saying fantastic like way more in being hyper-wimplaced than I'm just like, I want Just keep saying it. It's okay.
00:15:46
Speaker
but Quite literally. um But... Yeah, like I think that that was like super refreshing, but it's also like how they presented the origin story like in a very natural, like in-universe way that was really nice, where it's just like, oh yeah, like you're sitting at home and you're watching you're you're watching that this like televised like segment on the Fantastic Four, and you're getting the information that way.
00:16:12
Speaker
like It's such like an interesting way to present the media to the audience And I really liked that. like i I don't think that I would have been able to stomach having to watch another origin of the Fantastic Four. it's Right.
00:16:31
Speaker
And they didn't have to because... like ah To be honest, like it's not important what happened in space. What's important is that they have these powers and they got them in space. And that's all you needed to know. And that that like Dick Clarkus-esque show that you're watching, you know this this American bandstand or whatever kind of 60s show, just did it in one good montage. And i was like, well, there they are. It's four years later
Female Representation and Sue Storm's Leadership
00:16:59
Speaker
and...
00:17:00
Speaker
They're just the Fantastic Four, and that's it. Yep, and that was that was enough. That was enough. It was really well done. I really liked that it was not an origin story. Yes. And um the other thing about like skipping those four years, having it be four years after they went to space originally and got their powers, whatever,
00:17:21
Speaker
um is that they're all seasoned. They're not newbies, like stumbling with their powers, like, you know, you've seen in the other iterations. And um this is actually something, yet again, I'm going to go back to Johnny, because it's something I noticed, um and I have like brought up in some of my writing before, that he didn't but he doesn't say f flame on.
00:17:42
Speaker
Like, we get it's clobbering time, but that's like a kind of an a joke because of the because of the um cartoon, you know? Right. But Johnny doesn't say flame on, and I think, like, there's way more there's way more importance to that than just not including a catchphrase for fan service. And it's because Johnny always says that because he's struggling. Like he's new with his powers and he's trying to get them to work. And he's like, come on, like, you know, this Johnny's four years into it and he doesn't have any problem. Like, so it's not, you don't need to add it for fan service because if you really think about it,
00:18:19
Speaker
it's built right in like he knows what he's doing he sees and that is at his uh position exactly yeah i i'm glad that there wasn't nearly as like much fan service as like other mcu films typically like lean into um and like when they do it's played as like a funny little laugh um what else would would there be considered fanservice for the Fantastic Four? This is how much you know that we don't know about the Fantastic Four. i yeah Well, I know like you know there were there were cameos from like other people who have been in it, but like I think the clobber in time thing was really good because i i could be wrong, but I'm almost sure that that was the original catchphrase even before Johnny's catchphrase.
00:19:07
Speaker
So that was kind of clever to incorporate it in a way that was not fanservice-y. That was kind of like a joke between the team. like that I liked that a lot. um Yeah, like i
00:19:21
Speaker
I really can't think of things that were overtly fanservice-y. Right. And even like even just the fact that they downplayed Reed's skills alone is kind of like anti-fanservice. Like they really downplayed Mr. Fantastic.
00:19:44
Speaker
But I think it it definitely like needed that, yeah though. Because, like again, it's just like it's it's the team. It's the team story. It's not Reed's story. Yeah. Right. And Reed's like... What I liked about it was Reed used... Obviously, he does use his powers. He does his whole Mr. Fantastic thing. But it's always almost in a way to support. Right. Whereas, like, Sue uses it as offense. Right.
00:20:11
Speaker
And, you know, Ben obviously is defense. So they each, like, play their own role in it. And I like that a lot. I like that you mentioned, like, Reed kind of being more support and Sue being offensive. Because it's, like, I feel, like, in other ways, in other adaptions, they really, like, power scaled Sue really bad. Yeah.
00:20:39
Speaker
in other Fantastic Four like films. um So like being able to like see like Sue actually do the shit that she should be able to do was was really nice and refreshing.
00:20:51
Speaker
Yeah, i think so so I think if we're going to get on the topic of Sue, we we have a lot to say. There's a lot. There's a lot. So like I think that was a perfect way to lead into talking about her because...
00:21:02
Speaker
Like, traditionally, obviously, when they were created, when the Fantastic Four was created in the 60s, she literally was the invisible woman because... Yeah. yeah She was a woman in the 60s. Yeah. And literally, all she did was turn invisible. Like, she really had no purpose. And, like, what does that really serve the team, honestly?
00:21:23
Speaker
by You know, I know it's evolved over the years and they've brought in the whole idea of, oh, invisibility is reflecting light. And that if she can do – yeah, but they brought it all in. Right. but this suit, not not only were her powers utilized really well, but her – the fact that she was almost kind of the the team leader. Like she was the one who was stepping out there in front of the UN. She was the one stepping out there in front of the Baxter building telling everybody – you gotta chill the fuck out and let me do my thing. like she
00:21:57
Speaker
and She shined in ways that didn't have to do with her powers, but her powers were also so well executed. Yes.
00:22:10
Speaker
I, like, not not even, like, talking about, like, Sue, like, and her, like, character and everything but like that. um But, like, as soon as, like, I saw her step out of the building in that fucking metallic blue trench coat immediately, I'm just, like, I need someone to ID this right now. I need it. Like, Sue!
00:22:28
Speaker
I want that coat so bad. but You'll find it. i know If I know you, you're going to find it, yeah. I know I will. It's in the works. I'm trying to find something comparable.
Fantastic Four's Impact on the MCU
00:22:39
Speaker
Yeah, no, her her wardrobe was was gorgeous. It was so beautiful.
00:22:46
Speaker
The movie, it just, it looks so good. I i think, like, my thing, too, is that, like, i love the subconscious use of blue in, like, the character's everyday wardrobe, but then also the per purpose that purposeful ah splotches of blue in every frame.
00:23:05
Speaker
Right. It was consistent. Yes, it's like color um color-coded like very well. and And again, I'm just like... Just the way that this film looks...
00:23:17
Speaker
is is even even honestly to tell you the truth going into it i was like how in the hell are they gonna make galactus not look cheesy like how can you do like i know they've tried to do these gods before with with the and they look so fucking cheesy fucking eternals i didn't watch it i couldn't even remember the name of it i'm like the one isn't kit harry not kit harrington the other game of thrones guy isn't it that one um like All I know is Angelina Jolie is there and that is all I care about. Yeah, I know. Robb Stark is in it. um
00:23:57
Speaker
But that looked like from, i and I didn't see the movie, but like it's well known that it is bad. And they they tried it with like you know, a few other of these eternal gods, like even Ego in in Guardians of the Galaxy, they had to like scale them down and make them a man because how are you going to do a living planet?
00:24:18
Speaker
Right. They absolutely stunned me with Galactus. Right. Like, I can't believe they pulled off something of that ancient...
00:24:31
Speaker
God-like, massive size the way they did. It was unbelievable.
00:24:39
Speaker
in like And like you said, like it it didn't feel cheesy. like like i think like the whole thing was that they were trying to do like as much like practical stuff as possible.
00:24:51
Speaker
and um I know that San Diego Comic-Con, they like feature the Galactus costume. I'm just like... Thank God.
00:25:02
Speaker
But again, I'm just like, can we not throw out the whole MCU now that you guys seem to be carrying again? You don't have to restart it. Please. Okay, but... It's like another Earth. But I also did have, like, speaking of like the MCU, the general MCU, did have traumatic flashbacks when Galactus was stretching Reed.
00:25:24
Speaker
All I could think about was Multiverse of Madness, and I was like, yeah
00:25:31
Speaker
Leave Reed alone! again. can't go through this again! Although I didn't care. I didn't want John Krasinski to be Mr. Fantastic anyway, so Wanda's done nothing wrong ever, and that's a whole other topic, but Pedro could not be stretched. I was very upset about that.
00:25:50
Speaker
I think that that's like another topic that like we can like talk about, is like how...
00:25:57
Speaker
how against Pedro people people like were um like his casting for Mr. Fantastic numbers. Like, I think that he did ah a great job. Like I actually really liked his read.
00:26:10
Speaker
i agree. Yeah. I think the casting was on point. I think all four of them. And even, like, I really liked um Ben. I really liked that they made him – they showed that he's vulnerable, he's soft, he's absolutely nothing like the exterior. You know, he's mo he's the one who's mostly holding the baby. Like, he's – Right.
00:26:33
Speaker
They really – And they never refer to him as a thing. They never like never do that. He's just Ben. Ben. he just but ben
00:26:47
Speaker
But I really like enjoyed that um aspect of of how they portrayed his character. i definitely agree. i I love his interaction with like all the kids in in the film. i think that it really softens the character. um i think...
00:27:05
Speaker
other adaptions really leaned a little too heavily into the idea of like, oh, like he's the like rock solid, like tough one and blah, blah, blah. And it's just like, okay, but like strength and toughness manifests in different ways. And that doesn't mean that you have to be a fucking asshole.
00:27:23
Speaker
Right. Or a monster. It's not like, like a Hulk, a Hulk like monster. Like he I really liked that he was beloved by everybody, like the kids and he interacts with, uh,
00:27:35
Speaker
ah Natasha, what's her name? Rachel. Yeah, Rachel interacts with her like completely normally. There is absolutely nothing in any interactions with Ben that brings up, hey, you're a rock monster. larry Nothing.
00:27:52
Speaker
I know that like people had their like qualms about like the Rachel character and how she's not the atypical blind love interest. And I, I liked that they made this character for the film because then it's like, cool, the woman doesn't have to be blind in order to love Ben. Like she can see and be conscious like, oh, like you have this mutation now, but I still see you as a person. Like I don't need to be blind in order to lean into the love is blind like analogy. And it was like, that's, it's so dated.
00:28:30
Speaker
I agree. I think that the film definitely honed in on he's just a guy. He's not but thing, you know, he's just still himself, you know?
00:28:42
Speaker
And, um, I really, really enjoyed that. And I really loved the interpretation. going to go back to Johnny again. Cause Johnny really, gotta go back to Johnny. Johnny, to me,
00:28:54
Speaker
and johnny ah to me I'm going to say it. He kind of stole the show and and there's one reason. But before I get to that, you know, leading up to this movie, Joseph Quinn has been pretty vocal about like, hey, you know, previous iterations of Johnny have been this womanizing kind of like dirtbag,
Future of the Marvel Universe: Speculations
00:29:13
Speaker
to be like perfectly honest.
00:29:16
Speaker
And he said like, that's not sexy today. Like, do yeah want do you want some guy coming up to you and being like like that? Absolutely not. I would be disgusted.
00:29:27
Speaker
Exactly. he took it and managed to keep that same charm, but it was almost like boyish charm. Yes.
00:29:38
Speaker
It was boyish charm. It was like a boy with a crush on the Silver Surfer, but whatever. Yeah. i Like a boy with a crush and not... Like he just didn't have anything disingenuous about him. He wasn't like sleazy. He was just...
00:29:55
Speaker
very innocent to me. And I loved that. But I also love that like in the universe that they're in, you can tell that he's still like a heartthrob character.
00:30:07
Speaker
so it's like, he's still like, ah he's still a flirt. He's still like handsome. He's still desired. But like you said, like it's not coming off as like sleazy or anything like that. It's very like a boyish charm.
00:30:20
Speaker
Like, like it's sweet. It's approachable. It's still like a, if you saw him hitting on a woman, you'd just be like, okay, Johnny, stop. Right, right. wouldn't be like, oh, ew.
00:30:33
Speaker
Right, he's not it's not gross. It's like, it's I don't know, he was just really cute. And like, my favorite thing, well, besides the fact that you had that whole part where he, you know, translates the language, which I thought was super important. um my My favorite thing, I really think,
00:30:50
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Everyone talks about Sue, her her big moment at the end where she does the thing. I mean, we're got right obviously this is spoiler, so we can talk about it you know Where she uses like the full force of her power to literally like push Galactus back, which is bonkers and so cool.
00:31:07
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Yeah. But really think... Johnny had the moment where it was, he was ready to sacrifice himself to get Galactus through that portal. And it is such an unselfish thing that you have never seen in other iterations of Johnny.
00:31:25
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it was, it was something that was natural. It was an uncle's love for his nephew, a brother's love for his sister. And he had, he was tell, ah tell,
00:31:39
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Franklin, I love him. And that was it. And I thought that was just like such a powerful emotional emotional moment.
00:31:47
Speaker
No, I definitely agree. I think that um this film like really did a great job humanizing all of them. Johnny, especially. um I will say this is like completely off-topic of the characterization, but I need Marvel to stop with those fuck-ass contacts.
00:32:04
Speaker
like Get better fucking contacts if you're gonna make someone with brown eyes have blue eyes. Get those fuck-ass contacts but of my movies.
00:32:19
Speaker
Oh my god. It's Jessica Alba all over again. oh my goodness. Get those. this is This is Ray talking directly to Marvel right now. Yes. Get those fuck-ass contacts out of my face.
00:32:32
Speaker
Oh my gosh. It looks so bad. Like, at this rate, I'm just like, sure, make make him blonde. Sure. Whatever. Whatever. Like, have him bleach his hair. Okay. Cool.
00:32:45
Speaker
my god Leave his eyes. Do his eyes really have to be blue? I mean, come on How authentic do we have to be? ah Literally. Literally. oh that was that was something.
00:32:57
Speaker
but um But yeah, I really enjoyed. I thought that he was really ah he a hero and proved himself. ah But Sue, i feared that people would...
00:33:11
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would boil down what Sue does at the end as, oh look what the love of a mother can do. And yes, that's part of it. it is part of it. It's her baby. And she said, no one's taken her baby, but she is that strong. Like that is how strong Sue is. it is not all of a sudden, you know, a mother can lift a car off of her baby because of a burst of of adrenaline. This is like, this is her inherent power.
00:33:41
Speaker
Right. And I think like that's kind of like been my issue with like quite a bit of press coverage in terms of like interviewers speaking with like Vanessa Kirby, where it's just like, cool. Like you guys are like talking about like Sue and like her, like everything. But it's like you're structuring it around like her being a mom. And it's like that that's just Sue. Like she could just do that inherently. Yeah.
00:34:06
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Right, that's how powerful she is. She just had, obviously, like, the implication is that she's never tapped into it that deep. Like, she's never had Right, because she hasn't had to, right. Right.
00:34:18
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and and And it even, like, you know, you see it even takes the rest of the team by surprise. Like, Reed is like, oh my god, what are like, You got to stop. But um she's just like literally powerful enough on her own to hold Galactus back. And like, yes, it speaks to the power of of a mother's love for a child because, you know, she's willing to die for her child, but she's willing to die for him by fully using all these pat this power she has.
00:34:49
Speaker
Right. So it's... I just was very afraid it was going to become, she's strong because she's a mom. Yeah, and it's like, you guys are just completely missing the whole thing and just kind of like centralizing her motherhood as like her whole character. And it's just like, yes, like that's like a really defining trait of like who she is. Like family and is the core of this film.
00:35:16
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But at the end of the day, like, these are just how strong these characters are. This is how capable these characters are. And yes, like they're rising to the occasion because of like the situation.
00:35:28
Speaker
But again, like Sue's just that strong. Right. And, and, It's something that the Fantastic Four has never done. They have never put Sue sue in the forefront. And in many ways, not just that moment with using all her power, but like I said earlier, you know she's like running the un n she's She's making these addresses. like She's pretty much like a forward-facing political figure.
00:35:51
Speaker
And yes they really made Sue kind of like the face of the Fantastic Four. like She spoke for them. she She was the... want to kind of say she was the leader.
00:36:08
Speaker
mean, it just kind of makes sense, because it's like if you really like look at your options, it's like, ah are you really going to let Johnny talk? Is Reed really social enough to do that?
00:36:19
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um and you've got probably like 50% of people still being like, okay, but like Ben's a rock monster. So like, I'm not gonna listen to this guy. Exactly.
00:36:31
Speaker
So it, it makes lateral sense. And I'm glad that they kind of like leaned into that and didn't let the whole like, Oh, but she's like a woman kind of like stop that. But then it's also like, they still,
00:36:48
Speaker
yeah i appreciate that. it didn't lean into the kind of, like, cringe aspect of, like, oh, yeah, like, girl power kind of, like, framing. it was just, like, a natural, like, flow of how that would go.
00:37:03
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or it's just, like, Sue is smart. Sue is well-spoken. Like, she's level-headed. Of course she's, like, gonna be this, like, leadership figure. Like, being a woman is not anything that, like, really, like,
00:37:18
Speaker
touches that, it just makes sense. Right. She just happens to be a woman, really, is what it is. And and I like that a lot, um especially because Sue has really been, you know, kind of steamrolled over the years in comics. And she really...
00:37:35
Speaker
she really she really deserved this chance to shine, but it was done in a way again, that ah going back to what we talked about, that wasn't fan servicey. And what I really liked too is like, yeah, she's this forward. You see her doing all these, these political things is taught the talking for the team and everything.
00:37:52
Speaker
But what you also see is she's extremely respected for it. Like the whole thing with Mole Man, like that. and that was like actually really important because he wanted to talk to Sue.
00:38:03
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She roker the deal between them. So she's like, he's like, get these idiots, fucking idiots out here. Like, I want to talk to the brains of the family. And that's Sue. yeah
00:38:17
Speaker
What do we think of baby Franklin, though?
00:38:28
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I'm glad that, like, they didn't have Sue be pregnant the whole film. um I'm glad that they were very, like, quick with, like, having him be there where it wasn't just, like, this kind of annoying aspect of the story to, like, put it in a way. um Yeah, he he was, like, just part of family, like everyone else, yeah. Right.
00:38:54
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and
00:38:58
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i mean the the two kids of sue and Reed, like their powers, like just in general, like.
00:39:08
Speaker
I think it was executed well, but also I'm just like. Franklin X.
00:39:16
Speaker
But see, I'm like, I don't know what they're going to do. i don't know how they're going to ah continue now they've introduced franklin into the mcu like he he's it no one trumps franklin like he can do everything like they have to nerf him like there's like there's yeah like franklin there's nothing he cannot do right so it's it it is going to be really interesting to see like how doomsday functions um
00:39:51
Speaker
Okay, but did you think that Doom was there to kidnap him, or do you think that they know him? They know Doom.
00:39:58
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oh Ooh. Yeah, because right away, i'm like, oh, literally, I went, oh, shit. And the guy the guy like down the road with me went, oh,
00:40:12
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The minute we saw like Doom and then I'll let sit with me for a minute because at first i'm like, oh, he's going to take the baby. But then i'm like, I mean, it's been four years. So like, would would Doom have like waited that long? Like, because because in most iterations, like they know Doom as Victor before he becomes Doom, right? Yeah, Victor and Reed are friends.
00:40:34
Speaker
Right. So that's why I was thinking, I'm like, maybe it's not it's um what you think knee jerk reaction. ah Right.
00:40:47
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I would like to believe he was there just for a visit. Just, you know. Just a little like, hey, guy It's me, Uncle Victor. Sorry to tell him I'm cool actors. Yes, sir. I was real busy that day. i was i was doing some stuff. Also, sorry I didn't turn up to any of the UN n meetings.
00:41:04
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p Just setting up Doom as the most irresponsible leader ever.
00:41:13
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While being played by Robert Downey Jr. Honestly, I'd believe that. It's so funny. But yeah, I thought, like, ah reg right away I was like, oh, he's going to take this baby. But then I was like, wait a minute.
00:41:25
Speaker
Doom and Reed are like buds. This is... ah Yeah, like, they're friends. Yeah, they're homies. Like, this is is this is... Maybe he's there to just, like, I don't know, hang out. And I also expected at the end that she would sue um They were going to have their second child. thought that they were going to have the daughter.
00:41:43
Speaker
I also thought that they were going to have her by then. Yeah. Isn't there, you know, I forgot the exact comic origin, but like, she's got a weird comic origin. i don't know what the hell they're going to with that in the movie.
00:41:57
Speaker
I also don't don't even think that Marvel knows what they're going to do with it. No, she'll just be pregnant again. Because my thing too is just like, how are we supposed to get the X-Men in here before Doomsday?
00:42:12
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Well, and see, I thought of that too. And technically, I mean, if we're if we're going by comic standards, Franklin is a mutant. Technically.
00:42:23
Speaker
But I mean, obviously we don't know if that's going to be incorporated into the MCU lore, but like, it could be some sort of bridge. And then i've I've been reading rumors of people saying, oh, like Doom is going across different multiverses and collecting people who are strong so to make his own like, like a battle world or whatever. and I'm like that. And then that's how the X-Men are going to come in. because he's going to get them. And I'm like, I don't know. I don't, I feel like that's not like compelling enough to like warrant like an MCU movie though. Right.
00:42:53
Speaker
And like, I don't know what the hell they're doing with Doomsday. um But I do know... I do know that, like, it sounds like, at least, from what's been coming out after the Fantastic Four, that that the Fantastic Four as a team doesn't sound like they're leaving their their Earth. It sounds like they're, they're like, staying put. Yeah, Unless, like, this Doom is from 616. They're like, you're not my victor. Hold on a minute.
00:43:25
Speaker
ah Right. I don't know. i I'm intrigued by the fact that they the directors and writers are saying that, like, oh, the Baxter building in Doomsday is going to be filled with a bunch of face familiar faces, which is cool. Like, obviously, from the other multiverses, they're going to be coming, the right Avengers.
00:43:46
Speaker
But I don't know. That's a really loaded statement.
00:43:53
Speaker
Exactly. Exactly. like i feel after a point like things just like kind of get too ambitious and it's like can we just have self-contained movies within different earths because this was awesome yeah this was great well and that's why like into the spider-verse was great because it was its own thing you know yeah i really enjoyed that this was its own earth and its own its own, like, not connected to anything else.
00:44:22
Speaker
I think, like,
Casting Choices and Character Reappearances
00:44:23
Speaker
that's kind of why I'm just like, you don't have to reboot the whole MCU. You can just play with the fact that it's a fucking multiverse. You already have What If, you've already done this.
00:44:35
Speaker
You have all of the Spider people that acknowledge that it's a multiverse. Just make multiversal movies. Just leave your main fucking MCU alone. You don't have to recast all these people. Stop.
00:44:46
Speaker
I know. I recently like read something, I don't know if it's true, but that they they um are recasting Steve Rogers. And I'm like, well, it better be a variant because if it's not Chris Evans, I don't want anything to do with it.
00:44:57
Speaker
Yeah. Who wants to see that? ah Literally, I'm just like, because I'm also like, how do you recast... Robert Downey Jr. as Iron Man. No, you don't. You just don't. but Like, that's Tony Stark.
00:45:11
Speaker
You don't. you The only way it would work is if they did it, like, in um in Thor, where Loki was having the play put on and they were all pretending, like, actors playing the roles really like, cheesily.
00:45:25
Speaker
and miss Oh, I can't wait to see him again either. I miss him. Okay.
00:45:33
Speaker
But yeah, I mean, i i really love the movie. i like i got When I got home, I pitched like seven articles. I'm like, oh my god, Ellie's got really good ideas about it.
00:45:45
Speaker
But um I can't wait to see what what they do now with Doomsday. Again, I'm just trying to think about like what could they do.
00:45:58
Speaker
have no clue. As I'm like, hold on, I'm gonna pull up bill the roadmap here. So we can, I feel like that'll help a little bit. Mind you, I did not watch Secret Invasion. I could not stomach it. I did not either, no. What do you mean you killed fucking Maria? What do you mean?
00:46:16
Speaker
Yeah, no, that didn't happen. Not my not in my MCU. What do you mean you retconned Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.?
00:46:25
Speaker
And Agent Carter. And Agent Carter. She had a whole life, Steve. Okay, that is a whole episode by itself because nothing in the MCU makes me madder than that.
00:46:36
Speaker
And i can go on forever. Like, there have been a thousand movies in the MCU and that one moment is the one thing I hate the most. No, I agree.
00:46:48
Speaker
Terrible. Well, other than there were, you know, people were theorizing that You know, when Steve goes back in to the 40s at the end of Endgame, that that was going to create the branch of the multiverse where the Fantastic Four lived. And not and I'm glad they didn't do that because it would have, again, been interconnecting everything.
00:47:08
Speaker
Right. What are you pulling up on the on the maps? I'm pulling up the the the phase phase map that they usually like put up, but I'm also just like having to like sort through all the ones that like aren't actually canon.
00:47:22
Speaker
what they should be listen so that way we can kind of get like a general vibe as to like what they could be doing for doomsday hi all they need to do honestly the one thing that needs to be done needs to be done is wanda needs to be back that's that's i agree i agree Stay tuned for our our episode called Wanda Has Done Nothing Wrong Ever in Her Life.
00:47:50
Speaker
I mean, I think that she's done a lot of like wrong things, but do I agree with her? Sure. Yeah. Whatever you want to do, Elizabeth ah Olsen, I totally support anything that you want to do. Yeah, whatever. You're going to chase a teen through the multiverse and try to kill her Sure.
00:48:03
Speaker
Go for it, girl. Girl power.
00:48:09
Speaker
I'm curious to see what your research yields. and I just would like enough. Where is the official one? Just give me the the official one. Well, I know they pushed Doomsday and um Secret Wars back.
00:48:22
Speaker
Yeah. Okay. So it looks like this might be like the official one. So we've got of Wakanda coming up next. um Marvel Zombies, allegedly. this After this, this is all alleged. I don't know how accurate this is. This is coming from Reddit.
00:48:37
Speaker
But these also sound like they're they're like um like side projects, like not really. Right, right. But it's also like, unfortunately, gonna MCU, you have to watch everything.
00:48:50
Speaker
I think Vision Quest is is next, though. um it's It's slated in there, so it looks like um we've got... Wonder Man, ah Punisher... Are we getting season six of... Or season two of Born Again? Yeah. March 2026.
00:49:09
Speaker
But the Punisher is is just a standalone special, right? so He's not doing... It's a series. Yeah. Unfortunately. It's just John Bernthal being like, this is my journal I wrote for as Frank Castle. Let's do it. It's just a long-winded monologue.
00:49:25
Speaker
but I gotta tell you something, Red. It's just... Let me tell you something, Red. Oh my god. um Looks like we're getting season two of Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man. um Brand New Day would be the next one.
00:49:44
Speaker
oh but I hear that that one's straight. That's before Doomsday? Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Which is interesting.
00:49:55
Speaker
Because obviously, like my thought would be, because it is street level, ah and they've confirmed the
Integrating Characters and Universes in the MCU
00:50:00
Speaker
Punisher for that, that this is their way to bring the Defenders into the movies. like Matt Murdock and Jessica Jones, for sure, since they're confirmed, like this has got to be the way.
00:50:10
Speaker
Plus, sperman Spider-Man and Daredevil have to team up. It's just it's legal. Yeah, i think i think like that's kind of like why it's like before Doomsday, so that we can get...
00:50:21
Speaker
them into doomsday and kind of have all that and then it's vision quest and then doomsday and then secret wars right so it makes sense to me because like i said for spider-man it's bringing the street level defenders into the movies and then for vision quest is super important because we need um tommy they're going to find tommy and that he's gonna you know but be part of vision quest and um i'm curious if they'll do like you know the the vision um like the comic adaptation where he creates his family, you know, he creates, uh, his kids and robot dog and, uh, wife, but it's mostly to me, vision quest is going to be important because of Tommy, um, Billy and Agatha and then vision, like defining what the fuck vision is now. Like, what are you, what's going on in that robot head?
00:51:19
Speaker
ah Like, are you good? Are you bad? Are you are you confused?
00:51:26
Speaker
Just bring back Ultron. Close enough. Welcome back, Ultron. Welcome back, Ultron. You should have destroyed the Earth when you had the chance. Truly. Ultron wasn't wrong.
00:51:39
Speaker
it's that part it's that part that's another episode Ultron wasn't wrong uh problematic faves but I I just want like as a um a big fan of ah the young Avengers mostly like Billy and Tommy mostly Billy I love Billy he's one of my he's my he's one my babies I am super excited that he's been like fully introduced and fleshed out like that's exciting yeah I think like that's kind of where I get um curious about the whole like re reboot of everything. It's just like, well, you've set up like the Young Avengers and everything. Does that mean that you're going to recast all the Young Avengers? like That sucks.
00:52:23
Speaker
Oh, God, I hope not. Well, I mean, they'll just be young adult Avengers. Yeah.
00:52:30
Speaker
It's so funny. Like, I remember, like, seeing a, um I think it was a TikTok, where someone was like, oh, yeah, like, imagine being Kate Bishop, and you're, like, on The Young Avengers, and then you've got Yelena, like, on The Actual Avengers.
00:52:47
Speaker
You're on the, you're still at the kids' table. Oh, my God. That's, well, I mean... um I would say America, Chavez, and Miss Marvel are probably the younger ones But at least like at least um Billy kind of kind of reaches around their their age She's close.
00:53:06
Speaker
But yeah, um I just still say Black Widow, Hawkeye, romance was missed in the MCU. So do it with Kate and Yelena, you cowards. Bro, like like, I get it.
00:53:19
Speaker
the The Nat and, like, Clint, like, relationship as, like, platonic, like, friends and stuff like that. Like, that's nice. That's nice. It was dumb. They were like, oh, he has a farm family. but What the fuck?
00:53:32
Speaker
I'm sorry.
00:53:35
Speaker
We so don't want Nat and Clint together that we're going to give him a random secret farm family with fucking Velma from Scooby-Doo. We really don't want Nat and Clint together.
00:53:50
Speaker
my god.
00:53:53
Speaker
I'm sorry, I have thoughts on the farm family.
00:53:58
Speaker
It did come out of left field. I'm just like, what do you mean you hit a whole fucking farm family? But no, it's just like, you can't be having Nat wearing this like little like i arrow necklace and they're not in love. Shut up. They're in fucking Vormir and it's like, sacrifice the thing you love the most and they're both trying to kill themselves for each other. Are you kidding?
00:54:20
Speaker
What? Come on. So fucking fix it, Marvel, and give me the lesbian version of hawkeye and And ah Black Widow, thank you.
00:54:31
Speaker
That's so valid. i'm But here's also the thing. My toxic crate is really shipping Nat and Steve. um ah i okay i can get that's like the If it's not going to be Steve and Bucky, that's the only other one I can get behind.
00:54:47
Speaker
that's That's valid. Yeah, only other one. um In my and my core, in my heart and soul, i am a Stucky shipper before anything else.
00:55:00
Speaker
I appreciate that you stand on business about your ship. I do. I stand on business about that ship. I will die on that hill.
00:55:09
Speaker
um selling one will It's so fucking gay, too. like the new so We need to talk about, like ah in another episode, the new Captain America series, because... like chips when are When you're Captain in America, you inherit Bucky.
00:55:24
Speaker
Chips and Arsky came out of nowhere with the first with and but with issue one and was like, ja like she the shit gay. gay.
00:55:35
Speaker
Do they know that it's legal now? <unk> It's legal to be a boy kisser. ah
00:55:42
Speaker
ah That's the miniseries I want on Disney+, plus is the two of them finding out. like Learning about the game.
00:55:51
Speaker
and It's legal now. I feel like Peter Parker would be the one to tell them, like, it's okay to be... Just little Tom Holland. I've kissed boys before.
00:56:07
Speaker
Marvel, hire us We have really good ideas. Oh my god. This is the representation that the queers want. Yeah, and like, to tie it back to Fantastic Four, they already have said like, oh, Johnny and Peter are gonna hang out. Like, let him kiss!
00:56:25
Speaker
Who doesn't want to kiss Joseph Quinn? Look at it, he's Johnny Storm. Let him kiss. ah Who doesn't want to kiss Tom Holland? Exactly. But like, do like, recreate the upside down iconic Spider-Man kiss, but make it Johnny Storm and Peter.
00:56:40
Speaker
I have to leave.
00:56:49
Speaker
It's crackhead hours here. oh
00:56:55
Speaker
i said it. I said what I said. i mean, you said what you said. not taking it back. I didn't expect you to.
00:57:07
Speaker
God damn oh this has been this has been a ride. We did talk about the Fantastic Four for most of the of the episode. so I know, I'm so proud of us. I kept trying to circle back, I swear. But also, the MCU is a clusterfuck. But also, again, I'm just like, we don't have to reset it.
00:57:25
Speaker
like It has so much potential to be good if you just fucking care about it. And clearly, you're capable of caring about it through this film. right so just care about it.
00:57:35
Speaker
And I mean, they touched on it in Multiverse of Madness by going to all the different, you know, iterations of worlds. And but it's obviously now like super easy to just hop between multiverses if you're Doctor Strange. So like, why not?
00:57:49
Speaker
Like, let's all just have our own world. I think that's my thing,
MCU's Potential Without a Reset
00:57:55
Speaker
too, is that like I feel like so often like comic book movies are so hesitant to like lean into multiverse. And it's just like, that's literally like the biggest thing about comics is that like half the time, like there's six different Earths like going on, like different issues of different characters. like They're rarely ever intersected intersecting. And when they do, it's like a multi-issue kind of thing.
00:58:20
Speaker
It's like
00:58:23
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Miles Morales, when they brought him into the you know the regular fold, they had to do a whole big thing to make him part of but continuity, I guess. Right. So it's like...
00:58:35
Speaker
just Just play with the multiverse. Play with the toys. like It's a sandbox. It's not it's not that deep. Right. so it's not Wait, wait. One more thing, though, about Fantastic Four that I just thought about. Because i was going to say, oh, they can all like travel because they have Doctor Strange.
00:58:50
Speaker
But then I was like, oh, well, they also have Reed. He knows how to do that shit. Yeah. So if it wasn't Reed's ship, the Fantastic Four's ship at the end of Thunderbolts, what the?
00:59:01
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What? Who?
00:59:09
Speaker
Whomst? Whomst?
00:59:14
Speaker
Did someone steal their ship? like Or is this like a total red herring? ah i don't know. Or is it just a Fantastic fantastic Four team from a different?
00:59:31
Speaker
Well, we know it's not John Krasinski because he's spaghetti right now.
00:59:41
Speaker
Wanda stands for women's rights because she did ask if the kids had a mother. so
00:59:48
Speaker
She's not that horrible of of a person. She made sure. Right. She made sure not to leave any orphans. Okay? Right. She did. We have to do a whole episode on Wanda.
00:59:58
Speaker
We have to do a whole thing.
01:00:02
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I support women's wrongs. But it could be from another another multiverse. I didn't think of that. um Because I can't see. this this iteration of Fantastic Four that we just got wanting to go anywhere. Like, life is good for them. Earth loves them. They've saved it.
01:00:18
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They're happy. Why are they gonna come with anything?
01:00:24
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i guess, like, we have to figure out yeah timelines. Because, like, I mean, like, it could be, like, especially, like, if this is, like, a multiverse, like, hopping doom.
01:00:37
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Which, if if this is... rdj's doom then it very well could be right or yeah it could be that's his origin world like he's from fantastic war world i don't know what number their earth is they it's like eight it's eight something yeah it's like eight something but yeah he could be i mean especially ah you know going back to the um Captain America number one, I know it came out like way after, obviously they did Fantastic Four, but they do um make it a point to have Reed say, oh, Victor and I were like best friends. We went to college together. We like, and and I feel like because that issue came out right before a Fantastic Four was coming out, like the movie, it kind of reinforced it in comic readers. have that Yeah. Yeah.
01:01:27
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Victor and reader are bros. So.
01:01:32
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Romance.
01:01:35
Speaker
We just need more boy kissers in the
01:01:42
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MCU.
01:01:45
Speaker
Unprompted. Are you suggesting that Victor and Reed should be boy kissers?
01:01:55
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When Reed's like, I experimented in college. He's not talking about science.
01:02:03
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Pedro would be down. You know it. Let him kiss a man. like my God. Like, let him kiss a man. and I know why this is, like, such, like, a big ask.
01:02:17
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Right. He's in every franchise and he is yet to kiss a man.
01:02:26
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We're here for you, Pedro. We've got you.
01:02:30
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Let him kiss Oscar Isaac. Wait, who said that? Wait, what? Who? Who said that? I mean, they are going to be in Doomsday together.
01:02:41
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They are going to be in Doomsday together. Wait, did Oscar get confirmed for Doomsday? Yes, he did. Because i keep seeing people saying, oh, it's going to be Moon Knight. And then people would be like, oh, shit. What if he's going to be X-Men? Yeah, what if he's Apocalypse?
01:02:55
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That would suck so so bad. it's So hard. Like, please don't.
01:03:03
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Maybe he's just going to play a different version. like Him and Reed have different Earth versions where they kiss. like They live on a different Earth together. Valid. I mean, I think that's valid.
01:03:15
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going to be so mad if he's Apocalypse.
01:03:19
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How mad are we going to be if fucking Secret Wars just like destroys Universe 616 and that's how they justify rebooting the MCU? Yeah.
01:03:32
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i Listen. After fucking Thanos and all that other bullshit, like how mad are we going to be? Oh, real mad. yeah I'm going to be so mad because also that would mean the first thing I thought of was Bucky.
01:03:45
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let but He has been an in the most movies out of everybody. Sebastian Stan has put in his time. They didn't even give him the shield. He's put in all these years and then they're going to come in Secret Wars and be like, fuck you, Bucky Barnes.
01:03:59
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Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Name the time and place. If anything, Bucky deserves it better. Do it for Bucky. Truly. Do it for him.
01:04:13
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Our precious baby boy. Get him out of the building. He's the only one who survives Secret Wars like all the other people. Could you imagine? oh my god.
01:04:27
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Well, there's like that whole comic arc where there's this sentient like ah cosmic cube and it makes the everybody look different. And I'm like, if Marvel thinks about that and remembers that that exists, we're if fucked.
01:04:42
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We're real fucked.
01:04:47
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They remember they wrote that.
01:04:53
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Of all the stupid shit. Right. I mean, like, the cool thing that came out of that was that, like, Bucky was, like, its like it's father. Like, Bucky was, like, a dad, which was kind of cool. But, like, I'd rather him be a cat dad anyway, so. But please don't give us a sentient cosmic cube that rewrites everybody.
01:05:12
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and don't want it. I wouldn't put it past them. They're listening to us right now. It's, like, the FBI man, but it's the Marvel man in our computers. I mean.
01:05:25
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i mean. and Taking notes. Again, I wouldn't be surprised. No, I know. that's like it's like That's like Oscar Isaac being apocalypse level angry, I would be.
01:05:41
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Oh, goodness gracious. I'm like, wow. Imagine being so good that you're into Marvel properties.
01:05:50
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So good. I mean... I guess Chris Evans, right? Like, would you consider, even though Marvel didn't own Fantastic Four at the time, it was still a Marvel property?
01:06:05
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Yeah, because, like, I don't think that they owned X-Men yet. No, but him and also Michael B. Jordan, like, they just have collected all of all of the human torches and brought them into the MCU. Yeah.
01:06:16
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Now that's what I want to see. Chris Evans is coming back. they you know They could obviously bring Michael B. Jordan back since he was in Black Panther, even though he's dead, whatever. It doesn't matter. Michael B. Jordan is so hot. but make them like Make them all the Human Torch. Make all of them Johnny Storm.
01:06:34
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Michael B. Jordan is so hot. Yes, i I'm sorry that I was delayed to to respond to that. and Thank you for validating the thought. Yeah. And he's and he's a weeb, so so he he can hang.
01:06:48
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Of course he's a weeb. Yeah, he can hang. course he's weeb. I think we've hit on everything we can hit on on Fantastic Four.
01:07:00
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i feel like there's something, but we just keep getting distracted because... Johnny Storm is Johnny Storm. Right. Like, give me all three Johnny Storms, except like they already pulled their their ah Johnny Storm card in Deadpool and Wolverine.
01:07:18
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But we could do it again. yeah And we can do it better. ah yeah like I enjoyed Deadpool and Wolverine, and I like how like it touched on like the whole like multi-verse act aspect of this. Like, oh yeah, like some people look the same, and like this is kind of how we're justifying RDJ playing Doom as well.
01:07:37
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I'm just like, if we were going to get lost in the sauce of fan service, that was the movie to do it, and we didn't do it. So, unfortunately...
01:07:49
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Either it's going to be Doomsday or it's going to Secret Wars that we're finally going to have all of the fanservice. Right. Like, now let's redo Chris Evans as john as Johnny Storm. Like, let's let's do it right.
01:08:02
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And Michael B. Jordan. let's not have him be a loser. Yeah, like, what the fuck? ah matt Imagine being such a loser.
01:08:13
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Truly. A commenter I did have fucking Chris Evans. Must be a loser. Let it be known that I love Chris Evans.
01:08:24
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oh like Oh, yeah. But imagine being such a fucking loser.
01:08:31
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Like, yeah, I'll agree to come back and play Johnny Storm for this like one second, but I think it would be hilarious if if if he was Johnny Storm in Doomsday. I think so too.
01:08:41
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Instead of being Steve. Or fucking Hydra Captain America. I'm going to lose my mind if they do that. oh Please God. War flashbacks to when that comic came out.
01:08:54
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In the current political climate, please God. The last thing we need is Hydra Captain America. Please don't do that to poor Chris Evans. Don't make him do that. Don't make him be a Nazi.
01:09:13
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They can have like a mo a different multiverse Steve Rogers who doesn't look like him be a Nazi. Just don't let regular is but Steve all of a sudden come back and be fucking Hydra Cap.
01:09:27
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I mean, don't really want Nazis in the movie to begin with, but like... The one time that recasting will be okay is to prevent fucking Chris Evans from having to be a Nazi.
01:09:42
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yeah It's jumping through loops. to
01:09:51
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Bring him back as Johnny Storm. Bring Michael B. Jordan back as Johnny Storm. And then everybody from Wakanda is like, what the fuck? I thought this bitch was dead. I need it. And at least one of them has to kiss Tom Holland as Spider-Man.
01:10:07
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Right. And Oscar Isaac and Pedro have to kiss. Yes. but At least one of the Johnny Storm seats. It's like Johnny Storm roulette. I won't be picky. Hey, you like even if like we had to like throw away like an Andrew Garfield in there, like that's fine.
01:10:24
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Andrew Garfield would 100% be down. You know it. We need Spideypool. We need... What's the...
01:10:34
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what what is what what's the the The Spider-Man and Johnny ship name. I feel like there's there's one there, right? i don't know. It's probably like Fire Spider. I have no clue. I made that up. The human spider.
01:10:50
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um But that one too. um I feel like there's there's like another ship. I want Harry Osborn in the fucking MCU. Okay, but that's a my which one? which new one or up previously previously cast one Previously casted.
01:11:08
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Which one? You know who I want. I know exactly who you want. You want some... You want some... Some... Good pie.
01:11:22
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i is so good. The pie is pi so good. The pie is good. That should be like a phrase. The tea is hot. The pie is so good.
01:11:37
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see
01:11:39
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Sounds oddly sexual. but I don't know. and bring Bring Dane DeHaan back too. he deserves He deserves a second chance. and Truly. He deserves a second chance. He's a great actor.
01:11:55
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Oh my god. it's a multiverse. I don't know if I want James Franco in my multiverse, though. like i got tell Listen, I know that that's a super problematic fave, but also that Harry Osborn was really hot.
01:12:17
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Oh my Nothing beat Willem Dafoe's Green Goblin though. like i oh yeah i I used to work um with, I mentioned this on when we talked like the first time with our like just clip show but my three my two like best guy friends huge comic nerds huge into all that stuff and like they would just randomly out of nowhere be like sleep like they were just like like out of nowhere would they would willem dafoe green goblin us he's got like that one line and it's like it's like but it's oh my god
01:12:58
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but let let live the woman you love or suffer the children it's something bonkers like that it's it's like sleep
01:13:15
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oh my god this is what femsplaining is gonna is gonna be like yeah
01:13:23
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Listen, we we we were on topic for a good minute there, and we kept circling back to the topic. I think that i think that this was improvement. This was improvement. I mean, when you're when you're talking MCU, we're gonna go a bunch of different directions because there's just so many directions to go. You can't... Yeah. It all leads into each other. It's bad.
01:13:43
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I mean, I didn't expect you to bring James Franco in, but here we are. Listen. Sometimes... sometimes Sometimes you like a toxic man.
01:13:54
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Sometimes the pie is just too good. Sometimes the pie is just too good.
01:14:02
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But that is a garbage person.
01:14:09
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Oh my god, put him and Jake Gyllenhaal in a scene together. Mysterio and Froken. Okay, but that Mysterio is also hot. Yeah, but he's also toxic as shit. like ah no I know, I know, I know, I know. Mysterio and, let's see, did he become the Green Goblin? He's a Hobgoblin? Whatever the fuck James Franco was. Right. Yeah, put them put them together. Let them, I don't know. They can kiss, but whatever.
01:14:36
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Oh my god, my toxic yaoi?
01:14:44
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Ooh, fuck. Rey is gonna go write some some fanfic about Mysterio. You know, i mean I think I could find it. i think I could find it I'm gonna need you to report back to me on that.
01:14:56
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i will. Okay. and like in i I feel like I need to like see if someone like in the author's note will specifically be like, it's the James Franco Harry Osborn.
01:15:09
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It needs to be specified that it is the James Franco. Yeah, it needs to be specified. like Or at least like the ah Sam Raimi Spider-Man movie. Like Spider-Verse.
01:15:22
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Because then I can pick up on the contact clues of who I'm supposed to be picturing. Right, right. it should just recast him with Dave Franco. Yeah.
01:15:35
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I mean, wouldn't be mad. Can you imagine, though, like, what, like, a blow to your ego it would be if they were like we really want, we really want to bring back Harry Osborn.
01:15:46
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Hey, Dave, how are feeling about taking this role? I think that he would do it, though. Yeah, I think he'd do it, too. I think that he would think that that's, like, so fucking funny. No, that's, like, I can see any of the Hemsworth brothers playing Thor. Like, you know, the one played him in the play in in the second movie. Right. Ragnarok or whatever one that was.
01:16:04
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Just whatever one was. I don't know. I don't remember which Thor movie that was. I think... I don't even know. Is this where i say my hot take of the Thor movies are really mid?
01:16:14
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Yeah. Even Ragnarok? Even Ragnarok. Yeah, but Cate Blanchett. Yeah, I know. But like there's only so much that lesbian god can like cure, you know? But evil lesbian god.
01:16:30
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And I get that, but like that's why I can just go on TikTok and look at like the like screen packs of Cate Blanchett. That's all I had to do. And if we're going to go down the Cate Blanchett lane, it's going to be... Now we're going to get into ah Satine.
01:16:48
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She's got play Satine. And then we're going into Star Wars. And then it's going to be a whole can of worms. And that needs to be saved for another day. ah Yeah. It's a whole fucking can of worms.
01:17:00
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ah
01:17:03
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Good pie. Good soup. Real good pie. Real fucking good pie. like I think we should call this episode Shantastic 4, colon, It's Some Good Pie. like up because they are premiere episode. And they have to wait until the very end in order to understand what the fucking like subtitle is. They're just to what the fuck is with this pie? maybe it will be worth it, though. It will so be worth it, the buildup. It will worth it.
01:17:30
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I feel like James Franco is not worth it. Well, but like this isn't about James Franco. This is about the pie. Okay. I'm James Franco eating the good pie that is the Fantastic Four.
01:17:42
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That is, that is, we are all eating the good pie of Fantastic Four first steps. Okay. Not James Franco. There's no James Franco here. We've talked way too much about him. We can't talk about him anymore.
01:18:00
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Anyway, I love Fantastic Four First Steps. I want more of it. i want all of it. i want it injected into my veins. And Vanessa Kirby ah and Pedro Pascal are um way too gorgeous to be a couple.
01:18:13
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That's that's my my overall review. That's my five-second review. Actual factual. um I hate that we're not getting an extended version because Marvel doesn't want to pay their CG artists.
01:18:25
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Yeah.
01:18:28
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Do better. Okay. I like that. i like our, i like, we should continue that. Like our 10 second wrap ups. just Just do better. Do better. Anyway, I think that that's, that's it, right? We could sign out. throw out the whole pie. Marvel. It's fine.
01:18:47
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Yeah. like It's good pie. It's good pie. Like, you don't you don't have to throw it away. It's just just do more of this. Right. But like, don't get amnesia and think the pie is good. Like it is actually good pie.
01:19:02
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It's actually very good pie. Yes. Like you actually did a really good job. So please don't fuck up. Don't fuck up that you have Pedro Pascal, Vanessa Kirby, Joseph Quinn and Yvonne. I don't know how to say his whole name, but don't fuck that up.
01:19:21
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Don't fuck it up. It's goodbye. It's goodbye.