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"Rotisserie Chicken" ACN Pod 160
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It's beginning to look a lot like survival. Time for a cup run?
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Celebrating Norwich's Victories
00:00:22
Speaker
Welcome to Long Come Norwich podcast. Two thunderous triumphs on the trough. Tight control, totally commanding. It tilted the table and tugged us clear of the choking trapdoor chatter. Six tasty points taken. Trouble turned timid. The tailspin talk terminated. This team didn't just tiptoe past tension. They tackled it, twisted it, and tossed it to the turf. The touches are tidier, the triangles tighter, the transitions ticking like a chariot of fire, and the table that once threatened to turn toxic, now it trembles at our traction. And now cup temperature is rising. The city twitches with trophy temptation. Sunday summons us to a titanic tussle in the FA Cup, a testing tie against Leeds against our treasured, time-honoured former touchline tutor, narrative thick, tension tangible, triumph teased and tantalizing. The time to chase down three wins on the bounce could not be tastier. Clement has turned this troupe into a technically charming machine. The choreography is crisp, the courage contagious, the commitment total. Turns out changing Manning did do a lot.
Norwich's Strong Standings
00:01:15
Speaker
Claire, are you up for the cup? I am up for the cup very much so. think, well, now we're 11 points clear. Let's say that again. 11 points clear. And it needs to be in brackets written afterwards.
00:01:28
Speaker
It does, yeah, in actual words, doesn't it? Yeah, it's amazing. So now we're legitimately 11 points clear. And a given our goal difference, you can add another point to that, really. So 12 points c clear.
00:01:41
Speaker
I think we can really go all in on the cup on Sunday. I think Leeds are going to have um other things on their mind. i think they changed about six players when they played Birmingham and it was pretty 50-50 against them. So if we play a pretty strong team, i think we we could get a result there definitely.
Facing Former Coach Daniel Farke, Is a Win Possible?
00:02:00
Speaker
and then It would be lovely to get one over Daniel because I feel like he's kind of got a bit of a hex on us in the nicest possible way. He does tend to beat us since he's left us. So it would be lovely if our new love of our life beat the old love of our life.
00:02:17
Speaker
Well, he hasn't he hasn't faced us on an upward trajectory. You know, he we have our paths haven't crossed on any sort of form run like we're on at the moment. and Playoffs.
00:02:31
Speaker
Yeah, I did. Beat us 4-0 in the playoffs. i I don't count that as... I mean, this... Clement with half a squad thrashes Wagner with a full-strength team.
00:02:42
Speaker
Do you disagree with that?
00:02:45
Speaker
No. so That is true. Yes, he's played us in a big game, but we we sort of reversed backwards over a couple of bins into the playoffs. you know it was like no but At no point was that. He stumbled into that. That team had no right to be in the top half. and it was What an odd season that was. and Punt,
Confidence in Overcoming Challenges
00:03:05
Speaker
what do you feel? Obviously, you you love Farka nearly as much as as Claire loves Clement. So um do you think that we could we could make it three wins on the bounce and and soar into the last eight?
00:03:17
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, I don't see any reason why we can't go there utterly full of confidence. Yeah. It is completely bizarre to me that we keep on doing it. And, you know, i was i was i was a little bit reticent ahead of Saturday. I really felt like hang on, the run's coming to an end. There's 14, 15 players injured.
00:03:39
Speaker
it Our luck is going to run out at some point. And then I ah forget that Philippe Clement absolutely you know kind of instils in his charges exactly what they need to do in the positions that they're playing. And it doesn't matter that there's players injured, that they're completely intertwined into this system. It's brilliant. It's absolutely brilliant.
00:04:03
Speaker
um So, yeah. we're gonna shit them. Like it is, no, I think, look, realistically it's tough game. They're a Premier League side who I do think I just don't think they're going to take it lightly and I don't think they're going to make the level of changes that Claire has optimistically outlined they might make. i oh They did in the last game. That's why I said that. but But fifth round, you're cut' starting to get a bit serious. like I think that's that's this is the bit where Farka's like, it's Norwich.
00:04:34
Speaker
It's an opportunity to advance to the quarterfinals. um I think they they might load up a little bit. But, but, but, but, but. but um We've been great.
00:04:46
Speaker
And actually, these players clearly enjoy playing so much for this this head coach that I ah just feel like like belief is so big in football, right? They've got to go there and believe that they can do it.
00:05:01
Speaker
And it feels to me like they're high on belief as it
Tactical Growth Under Clement
00:05:05
Speaker
stands. So, Why not? I think as long as we get through the first 20, 25 minutes and we've got our foot on the ball and we've started to, you know, maybe advance up the pitch and in the way that Clement likes us to and we haven't been out thoroughly outclassed by then, then, yeah, I think we're going to grow into the game. We've grown into nearly every game under Clement.
00:05:28
Speaker
that's That's the thing. So if if we're intact at half-time, watch us go. Well, we'll round off with our um guarantees as we always do. And I was just, so let's just go back a couple of days as we record this on Monday, the 2nd of March to a fantastic lunchtime performance where similar to you, Punt, I think I was, I was thinking at some point we are going to, we are going to run out of luck and and someone, some makeshift purse. i mean, I, I did in a gallows humor,
00:05:58
Speaker
ah ah attempt suggest that we should have a sweepstake for when Chris Goran would get injured, what what minute it would be. Because you just think, well, that's that's what do us. But, you know, that you would think that actually inversely of our luck running out, you would also think our injury hex would eventually run out, right? You would think eventually we will play striker for a series of games and he won't get injured just because we've already had it happen four times this season. So five really would be particularly unlucky. um And I thought he he hustled really well. I thought that he... he and The complementary pressing that Clement has got this team doing, that's the thing that, from a system point of view, is almost, ah for me, the most impressive uplift from a kind of team shape. Because before... As the ball is kicked at kick-off...
00:06:48
Speaker
almost anyone can get 11 people to stand in the right place, right? But it's when, as and when the ball moves from left to right, and as they try and work one-on-ones and two-on-ones and over overloads and all the rest of it, to still have that discipline to understand, ah, well, when Ali pushes there, I need to tuck in here. And when Magoma comes up behind, I need to go that way. That is the bit that you you just change the the humans inside the shirts, change the numbers on the back, and we look the same out of possession. And Leicester are...
00:07:17
Speaker
technically proficient. What was interesting, I thought, was that they weren't, um we weren't forcing them into kicking the ball out of play. We were just winning the ball back fair and square. you know, they they weren't they weren't bad footballers. i mean, it is an absolute travesty. i mean, talk about two teams in the space of a week who are being, I think one is obviously, you know, ownership almost completely in Sheffield Wednesday. Yeah.
00:07:40
Speaker
And the other, the players, so many Premier League players there who haven't had a relegation clause, you know, frank frankly, have no fiscal reason to care and about what happens to that football club. And the application is just simply not there. I mean, I... It's interesting. My algorithms always serve me um opposition fans ah kind of reflecting on games after Norwich have played them. and so you know but So I've seen yeah several clips of of Leicester fans ah and almost in their totality praising Norwich, but all calling out that they didn't lay a glove on us. you know like We didn't have to get out a second gear. We played some nice stuff, but we were first to every second ball. Claire, I think that's the that's the reason that
00:08:24
Speaker
that's the reason that Clermont seems to be able to put anyone in is because we're super fit and we know how to charge people down. Yeah, i it was that was it Luke Chambers that was doing the ah punditry after the game? didn't see it it. It took me a while to realise who it was because I recognised him and then I thought, God, he's being so negative about Norwich, who had played magnificently. And then when I realised who it was, it made sense that what he was doing. please talk about his cardigan as well.
00:08:54
Speaker
it's I'm not going to talk about his cardigan because his words that came out of my mouth. he He basically said Norwich didn't have to try very hard to win that game. And that, before I had realised who it was, really pissed me off because I think we did get out of second gear. We didn't get out of second gear against Sheffield Wednesday. And I wasn't particularly impressed with that.
00:09:16
Speaker
performance in the second half because I thought and I've had conversations about this I thought it was a little bit disrespectful to Sheffield Wednesday the way we played and I know we were just conserving energy etc etc but I didn't enjoy that second half at all but the Leicester game I think we were out of second gear and I think we pressed so well we just didn't allow them any time on the ball every time they got it we were on them and we won it back and we worked really hard and that's why we were so in control and that's why we won the game but do you not do you not think that given the energy conservation and given our injury crisis, does Clement now look even cleverer for telling his charges do enough? And if you, if you keep it at two, Neil, don't run around too much. Cause he basically said, we're going to have to try a bit harder. understand.
00:10:00
Speaker
Yeah, I understand why he did it but i just it was just such a peculiar game, that game on Wednesday. i don't think I've ever seen such a weird game. And I think on the TV, I think it came across as even weirder because I've spoken to my family who were there and they said, actually, the atmosphere was really good and it was quite fun and enjoyable. That didn't really come across
Energy and Control in Recent Matches
00:10:20
Speaker
on the TV. So maybe I'll allow... I don't think it was. I think the atmosphere was really weird as well. Oh, was it? Oh, it was just... Yeah, no, I thought... It was pre-season-y.
00:10:30
Speaker
Yeah, it was really, yeah, it wasn't night gaming at all. it didn't really matter. Yeah. And it was almost like there's an inevitability about this. Yeah. So it's fine. We'll all just go through the motions. Yeah. Yes, absolutely. But but but um Saturday definitely was not just going through the motions. No. And OK, Leicester did not play well, but we worked really hard and we did play exceptionally well. And it was very, very well deserved. I thought it was a really magnificent performance personally. I think you're going on it.
00:11:00
Speaker
Clermont, like putting Mundell Smith up front, he's not a striker, but he played that role so well. He's like, this is what you've got to Go and do it. And he did it. And that's the same with every player that comes in. So long may that last.
00:11:14
Speaker
It's the physicality for me. and I think you've just touched on it there, Claire, but it's it's that hard work to make us look as if we don't have to work hard. So it's that it the initial action and the second action after that, which wins us the ball back really, really quickly, which, Clement, I'm not sure.
00:11:30
Speaker
I may even have seen this observed elsewhere, but I'm not sure I've seen a Norwich side for a good long while that is as good out of possession as Clermont's side. I think that and and that just talks to structure and yeah know and and being organised and and you know the hard work that these players want to do. It's is superb, but it's absolutely superb.
00:11:51
Speaker
Well, they did say that in punditry on, well, not punditry, in the co-coms um that on Saturday, the there I didn't see any studio stuff. I only saw the the commentary in it when it was actually during the game. um And he mentioned that there's been very few days off since Clement has come in. You know, and this is a fit bunch. And I think the...
00:12:12
Speaker
The reason it it looks easier is because actually we've done our physical effort in getting to the player. So actually we don't seem to need to cover that much ground with the ball is because we've already covered the ground to be in an
Potential of Players Magoma and Mattson
00:12:24
Speaker
attacking position. When we turn the ball over, there are already four passes on. It's not like when Sarge used to win the ball back, which he was good at, and then he would sort of have to hold off three or four defenders while someone else finally got up with him. you know Now, when Ali and Chris Eni, who together did brilliantly at this, when the two of them closed down and and got the ball back from who is supposed to be one of the most attacking wingers in the in the championship, we were told in commentary and in the first half, just didn't look, and again, and down to application for Leicester players, just didn't look up for it. It just did not look like they were trying hard enough. um But when we get the ball back, Paris is there and Kenny's there and, you know, Field is there. and So just going back over the last couple of games, and i want to just put a couple of things you all may punt. Firstly, Paris McGomer isn't fully fit yet.
00:13:14
Speaker
um And secondly, we haven't got to see him play with Mattson yet. How exciting are those two statements? And they're both true. Yeah.
00:13:25
Speaker
I'm not even sure it's the Magoma with Mattson bit. I think it's the Magoma with a frontline striker bit that actually excites me more.
00:13:36
Speaker
Because, you know, a genuine number 10, a tricky number 10 with Magic in his boots, who's going to be afforded even more space when you've got like kind of clever, intelligent, strong, physical presences like Jovan Mukama, you know, kind of to occupy a defender.
00:13:53
Speaker
it it could It could be really frightening for a position of defenders. He is... Technically, he's out of this world. you know If he carries on the the the way he he he has been, a he's incredible.
00:14:09
Speaker
And look, we're jumping off off the deep end. He's three games into his Norwich career or whatever it But what three games? I mean, and ยฃ800,000. That's crazy. I can't really believe they let him go for that. I mean, unless it is that they know something about his physical data and he is massively injury prone because, you know, look he hasn't played much football over the last, you know, 12 months. So, you know, that's a risk. But I think it's a risk that Norwich were right to take. And and yeah, but the sky's the limit for that lad. And... and
00:14:42
Speaker
you know you Hopefully, he's not one of those players that that outgrows us um very, very quickly because you know his rate of progression you know just eclipses us. You'd like to think he's someone who's going to take us on a journey. um But is he first choice number 10?
00:15:00
Speaker
Isn't it lovely that we have two? Well, yeah, Slavani's output is incredible. And I think, yeah you know, there was someone was saying like he might be the player with the best attacking output in the championship in the last, you know, kind of seven or eight games. um Yeah, I mean, he...
00:15:15
Speaker
Two very different players. I think for Norwich now, the really exciting thing is trying to, and we touched on it, I think in the last pod, is trying to shoehorn them into the same lineup now because we haven't really got a natural right winger.
00:15:28
Speaker
Can Magoma go and play out there and you know be almost a second number 10? That could be really, really effective. Yeah, we'd have to try that against someone else in a bottom half, I think. But it's it's worth a try. if we can get if he feels he can If he feels that one is not so prone to breaking down, um that yeah he can that. And that's the thing. It's not a net for now, is it? but they both They've both got bad injury records, both of them. Yes, Lamani had his leg strapped up on a Saturday, yeah didn't he? mean, the idea of... good But just the idea of, i mean, you dismissed it, which, you know, is hurtful, but and I'm used to it. The the idea that we've got Mattson to come back into that midfield.
00:16:07
Speaker
um Kenny and... Oh, yeah, yeah. No, it's just I'm more excited about the striker. You know, genuine striker with a genuine number 10. Brilliant. Well, but, I mean, Pete Grant Holt from the physical side of things,
00:16:19
Speaker
Or to go a slightly different way, peak team with Pukki, and ah you're getting... Pukki is getting Buendia levels of service. Now, he's got to do it for a few seasons to be yeah know rated as highly as Buendia. But in these first few games, the twists, the turns, the X factor, it's Houlihan, it's Buendia. It's literally that level. Now, he's got to do it for years to be compared to those two like equitably. but For the entire sample size so far, Norwich are a completely different prospect with him in the team.
00:16:54
Speaker
He carries the ball at such speed. He is so skillful. He's full of tricks. He often turns the opposite way that you're not expecting. He brings other players into play and makes other players better.
00:17:06
Speaker
And that's what you would always say about Hula. We said we needed an X-factor. Now, Slimani's almost... So Slamani is delivering without necessarily drag backs and circus tricks, as I think Clement referred to it. You know, he is, he's a bread and butter number 10 who is delivering incredibly likable as well as a player, Slamani, I think.
00:17:25
Speaker
m And a great work rate, fantastic at closing down. and yeah So the fact that we've got the the pair of them, ah is is is just so, so positive. And you know to your point, Claire, on being 11 points clear, I just want us to...
Aiming for a Cup Run with Clement
00:17:41
Speaker
I would love us to go on a cup run and I would love us to just you know win two out of three for the rest of the season.
00:17:48
Speaker
and but go into the into the summer with just huge momentum. where Obviously, going have to make some decisions on squad because we've got you know hundreds of players. But I mean, if if if if we get three quarters of a season of a fit Magoma and three quarters of a season of a fit Maxson and three quarters of a season of a fully fit first choice striker,
00:18:14
Speaker
Clermont's winning the league because if he can do what he's done, well, bear in mind that if he'd have been in the dugout the start of August, we probably would. Oh, yeah. I'm smiling because it's true. We would be mathematically promoted by now, right? We would be mathematically in the playoffs. Yeah, because we are the best team this year. We've got more points score more goals than we believed in. That means we are the best team this year. And he's doing it with a 12-year-old and a centre-back up front, right? Like, he's doing it with people with strapped-up legs and can only do 45 minutes here and, you know, unbelievable what he's been able to achieve.
00:18:50
Speaker
The reason we asked the question specifically about the singing was that I heard a couple of chants that had been beautifully modified. So really enjoying the Momo and the Ali chant, but they would they went back to the Ali Ahmed down the wing because it meant that they could work in calling Josh Sargent a wanker in between. It was absolutely beautiful. And it just made me think,
00:19:13
Speaker
There's been a few occasions where you get kind of a one-off or very sparsely used song because of a particular combination of transfer or something funny happening. And there's been some great ones down the years. So yeah, we asked you guys if you could give us some suggestions. Claire's got them for us now.
00:19:32
Speaker
I have. Yeah. So i'm one of, like an iconic one really, isn't it? um Jack Parkins said, there's 12 Days of Huckabee. on Boxing Day. But weirdly, this Boxing Day, we didn't sing it.
00:19:47
Speaker
and And we sat there and my sister and I were like just waiting. She even tried to start it off at one point and it never came. So that was disappointing. Maybe have people forgotten? don't know. It's quite sad about that. You got an outing away early in December.
00:20:04
Speaker
I did hear it early in December. But not home on Boxing Day, which is surely the day. And we won. We beat Charlton, right? Yeah, exactly. It was very peculiar. Anyway, so I'm in favour of that one.
00:20:16
Speaker
Cameron Huggett said, we love you, Paul McVeigh, which is a classic, I think. One of the sort of original. There's not many despite your lack of height. and No, even just always quite humorous. Even just the word despite is not it's nine in a lot of terrible terms.
00:20:31
Speaker
um hither hither to um another one of my favorites it's very niche because we can only sing it against chelsea is we've got a drunken cook you've got a russian crook i always really enjoyed that one yeah yeah but that's why that's very clever when you have these one-offs that's that's what makes that's what makes our yeah that's a one-off superior that was um kyle harper that one and then um Richard Simon, the ULS submarine, which is cities going up and scum are going down. That was.
00:21:02
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, that might be an all time. can't sing that one very often. Yeah. mean, that whole Farka era is like the goat of songs, isn't it? You can't, I don't think, we maybe we will top it now because I feel like we're coming into some special kind of song era, but that whole Farka, there were so many good songs. Yeah. Clement needs... Clement is deserving of of something on the left. Farke on the horse is my favourite manager. The end. yeah I feel like Clement, with the run he's been on, he deserves something bespoke. like It shouldn't just be a rehash of...
00:21:39
Speaker
you know, him being at the wheel or whatever, like it needs to be, we need to find a random photo of him in a past club. Yeah. I wonder if he's ever like fed the penguins at the zoo or something.
00:21:53
Speaker
Someone get on the internet and fire. There is a random picture of him kicking something or his leg in a really weird angle, but I don't know. Can you make a song out of it? i mean Well, I suppose you've Tribe Called Quest. Can I kick it? There you go. Oh, yeah, oh yeah, yeah. There you go.
00:22:09
Speaker
Yeah, but I do think that he's deserving that. And, and yeah, that there is a... You need to have a certain level of ah happiness amongst the away faithful um to to trigger those songs because they don't tend to take off at home. that you know You get one-off... isolated things about something silly that someone's wearing in the away end or something very, very specific. I remember, ah ah you know, I think it was Rotherham had the most overweight fitness trainer. I'm pretty sure it was Rotherham and it was league one. And he came every time he came waddling on.
00:22:43
Speaker
it was just abs, because he was so slow and you just thought, you're the fitless guy. It was absolute. I'm sure it was Wobber. But yeah, Punt, have you got, ah can you think of any, can you think of any manager songs that are anything like up there with Farker?
00:23:02
Speaker
no No, like, and not even for other clubs, like, you know, kind of it's just, no. that it was perfect and it was a moment in time and that whole season was a moment in time.
00:23:12
Speaker
Was it QPR away? I think it was a London station where it was first sung. I remember the, when the, cause when I first saw the video of it, I think it was away fans at edge an underground station. It was, they were walking. Yeah. Something like that. But I think they'd been trying to get it off the ground for some time before that as well. It was just that. I remember winding it again and again and again, trying to work out what are they singing? Like what? And it was ages before I realized what song it was aping.
00:23:42
Speaker
Because we think we didn't really, it wasn't a very faithful rendition, was it? We didn't quite get the phrasing right. No, but it was kind of based on the Manchester United version of it, wasn't it? Which is similar in terms of, yeah, it's rhythm.
00:23:55
Speaker
Right then, speaking of rhythm, Claire, keep us going on to the next question that we asked. Oh, thought you were going to go rhythm as a dancer. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I really want that to take off.
00:24:06
Speaker
Because that so and song is imprinted in my mind because when I was younger, I dance did a lot of dancing and we did ah a dance to that song. So I listened to that song like a million, billion times. Maybe not that many, but it's a very important song to me. So I really want that one to take off because that would be very special. It nearly did for Steeperman, didn't it? Yeah.
00:24:26
Speaker
And that would have been a perfect. But for Paris, like Paris, he's like a gazelle. He is like a dancer. Steepy was a bit awkward, wasn't he? Whereas Paris... A bit. I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But for the Steepy one, when it when it goes, whoa, you could go, Marco. so that would have been like perfect. but Okay.
00:24:45
Speaker
Anyway, let's hope that one takes off. yes um And I'll just also add, I did also, I'll get frowned on, I did quite like Johnny Rose's song as well, but we didn't sing that for very long. Yeah, no, I'm a fan of that one.
00:24:59
Speaker
If we could maybe give that to someone else because he doesn't deserve it anymore. So let's give that to someone else. It would feel a little bit tainted now if we repurpose it though, I think, you know, because he was such a shit. No, no, no because mean, look at Sargent. We've repurposed Sargent's song about eight times already in the last month. Yeah.
00:25:17
Speaker
Good. For Medich, which was excellent. but I just want us to get, I want us to get a new, um i want us to get a new American just so we can sing USA at someone else.
00:25:29
Speaker
Oh dear. Right, okay next The next question was, um now that we're all living in a PC world, what players might stick around that otherwise would have jumped ship? So we've got three for Slomani, which I think is fair enough because he definitely was he was out the door. Like he was gone and none of us would have cared. gone in January. Yeah, none of us cared, which was, I can't even imagine now. um One for Jack Stacey. Kenny came up a lot.
00:25:59
Speaker
um I think... Although I don't know i don't know if you saw his interview the other day after the game and I think they asked him about his contract coming up in the summer and he didn't really give much away. he had a little smile on his face, but I didn't know whether that meant, yeah, I'm finally going home or I'm going to stay. I don't know.
00:26:17
Speaker
Or announcement incoming.
Player Retention Speculations
00:26:24
Speaker
ah think he'll stay so it's it's yeah I think he'll stay and he'll sign o a two year extension. doesn't he yeah He'd be foolish not to now, wouldn't he? And then also Vlad, which I thought was interesting, because I kind of agree with that. i feel like Under Manning, that's not what he signed up for, even though some of us think he doesn't deserve to be in the goal in the first place. Well, I'm afraid on Saturday he did exactly the thing that I said was he was the sort of keeper to do. Absolutely coasting in the game and and then almost gives away a goal for absolutely no reason at all. But but just didn't. But didn't. And we kept another clean sheet. but he took a double...
00:27:06
Speaker
Yeah, we did. yeah He's just keeping it in tight. going to drop a bollock pretty soon, isn't he? Probably. he did it scum, didn't he? Yeah, probably. Get it out of the way before they're back. Yeah, get it out of your system, Vlad, before the 11th of April, please and thank you.
00:27:24
Speaker
yeah so Yeah, that was it. And also, I think I'd add into the players possibly that aren't going to go now, maybe Kellen, because think Everton are still sniffing around him. I think he's more likely to go as a result of Clement coming in. Oh, do you? Because the upturn in his form has been so just so good that I think he's in real danger of going to a Premier League club this summer.
00:27:49
Speaker
One more year. His ceilings are quite high. Yeah, I'm up for one more year of Kellen. get promoted and try it out in the Premier League with us and then go. and We had one more bit of correspondence about Leeds, I think, Claire.
00:28:04
Speaker
This one is from John's daughter, Izzy. I think she just trolls the pod at this point. right Yeah, but it's a good question and it's been very you on topic for this week. and it it's Would you rather have Farka back now or Emi Buendia back?
00:28:22
Speaker
And I can't answer it. I don't know. i think when Izzy asked me the question, because I did say, oh but this is one that we should probably talk about on the podcast as we were on the way back from a game. She asked me this question and it was three or four weeks ago. And the answer to me was really, really clear that Clement was doing such a good job that we didn't need Daniel Farker and actually...
00:28:46
Speaker
Emi Buendia could really add something and of course Emi Buendia could still really add something but that the pressing need for a creative force is you know is less and less now so it I think I'd probably still tip towards Buendia and the fact that he's less injury prone he didn't ever get injured really Emi did he not so much No, not you know you're right.
00:29:09
Speaker
It's a bit more robust. Yeah, he's got to send that. I think the real compliment that we can or I can give Clermont is I don't yearn for Daniel Farker as much nowadays. And it's been a long time, but I'm you know i'm finally, I'm healing. I'm kind of over it. um So yeah, give give me Emmy any day of the week. Although then we need a Pookie to go with Emmy.
00:29:38
Speaker
Well, i mean, that was that was, I think I and trend transient, no, what's the thing what's the word beginning with T when you go off on a tangent? I tangentized myself. Thank you. Tangentized. That's not a new word. That's definitely not a word. Tangented. Tangented.
00:29:56
Speaker
I tangented myself and um what i was going say about peak Holt, peak Pukki, get like 40 goals, 45 goals if they have Magoma behind them, if
Comparing Coaching Styles: Clement vs. Farke
00:30:08
Speaker
they have kind of the the chance creation, Ali Ahmed, chance creation, with the way in which Clement knows how to get the ball in the box. And I would say at the moment, Clement, I mean, obviously statistically he is, but...
00:30:22
Speaker
Just from the style of play and the the the the way that we score goals, Clement ball is better to watch than Farker ball because of the speed with which we get the ball back and immediately have chances.
00:30:35
Speaker
It feels like we have more chances under Clement. We might not have as much possession as we had under Farker, but the possession we have under Clement tends to start in the middle of their half.
00:30:47
Speaker
and it tends to end up in a chance much quicker because we seem to be able to, like Sam Field has already had that reverse ball thing about four times. you know we we We keep creating that opportunity for him to play the reverse ball inside the fullback for whoever's done on the overlap. And and as we've said it time and time again. And we let in less goals. We let in quite a lot of goals under Farker.
00:31:10
Speaker
And also, we don't look like we're going to concede. I mean, I know Leicester crap and Sheffield Wednesday crap. And I know no someone hit the bar a couple of weeks ago and all the rest of it. But, you know, people are to have chances. It's professional football. It's the championship. it you know You're not going to get any absolute steamroller games. It's not 7-1 against Poulton Rovers or whatever it was. 7-1, they might not scored. Anyway, the point is... What's that?
00:31:30
Speaker
eight no what seven nine okay but um Definitely it was yeah the new one. there is such a There's such a lack of shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit under Clement, right? Which there just always is for Norwich, including Farker. We're under the cosh so much less with him. and And it would be really interesting, wouldn't it, to see... God, he's so far away, but wouldn't it be interesting if we could get past Sunday...
00:32:00
Speaker
Wouldn't it be interesting to see him pit his wits against one of the big boys in the semis? Like, we've got to get there. We've got to win a quarterfinal and all the rest of it. i mean, and maybe we would get one in the quarterfinal. Maybe in the last eight, we would end up with with one. of Because there's there's a lot of, you know, there's not many minnows left, is there? But wouldn't it be interesting to see if he could add a scalp like that? Because, yeah, it would be a bit of a scalp if he beats Farker. But, i mean, we've seen Farker throw League game early league um Cup games away. We've seen Farker be completely out-thought by managers.
00:32:31
Speaker
you know if he if he They don't lose at Ellen Road much, though. they're now I know, but but hard to be not... But they are still whatever, 14th, 15th in the league. Then it's not beating Arsenal. It's not beating, you know... i think if we were going to get... an or someone would bempressed Yeah, I think if we were going to get a bigger team to pit our wits against, I think we would want some of our players back...
00:32:55
Speaker
I think without the players we've got out now, it would be pretty tricky. Matson and McCormick might be back then. That'll be all right. Yeah, Matson I think definitely will, won't he?
00:33:07
Speaker
um Maybe Torre. He's running now, isn't He's out and training. Someone said to me on Saturday about Torre, it just popped into my head as you said it, Claire. They were like, he said, I'm still not sure if he's any good.
00:33:21
Speaker
And I thought, yeah, I'm kind of with him on that, in so much as he's had such a purple patch in terms of the goals he's scored. But is that because he's quick and he's direct and Clermont's system just suited him so well?
00:33:35
Speaker
or Or is it you know that that he is just this instinctive striker? Because I don't know. We don't know yet. It's so raw. No, we don't. But like you know I thought it was an interesting point to make. he knows where gold knows He knows where the goal is. That's for sure. oh he's finished that's finished That wouldn't change against whoever he was playing against. But all previous evidence in terms of his club career would say that he didn't know where the goal was at.
00:33:59
Speaker
Well, neither did Timu Pukki. oh he scored 20 odd goals for bromby the season before like i was rubbish at celtic yeah but that he was a young huckabee he was aarn huckab me like there's loads of players that just need to find the right team the right manager the right club to thetic excel hi i'm just char but i still i agree with the point i'm not sure he's that good yet i think he will be i think he's got well he's he's only young yeah yeah yeah but i thought it was just an interesting thing to say that he kind of whispered it like i hope no one else hears me say this Well, I said it a couple of weeks ago. But yeah, he's raw. He's really raw. Really raw. Sorry, go on.
00:34:36
Speaker
he's He's raw and he's also likely to be our third choice striker next season. Yeah. Probably, right? So and it's a a first tri ah a third choice striker who can come in and score that many goals for you.
00:34:52
Speaker
i mean, wow. I mean, if if if you are if you're bringing him on with 30 minutes to go to stretch defences, that's a real weapon in the last 30 minutes. Hang on, third choice, who's above him? Joven who?
00:35:05
Speaker
We're going to sign a big, big striker. We're going to You know we sold the other one, right? Hang on. We've all forgotten about Ante-Sernach. It's fine. Oh, yeah. He's not a striker.
00:35:18
Speaker
He's not a striker. He's whatever Philippe says he is. oh Listen. that did what a massive what if it is because he could have he could he could have 15 goals because i don't think it's i think the one constant of this rotisserie chicken of strikers that's not the right phrase what i mean what do i mean do you mean like rotation the sushi kind of the thing that you know they all know andvolving revolving The revolving door. yeah The rotisserie chicken of strikers. Right. There's your It's the way that we is is is the chance creation.
00:36:00
Speaker
You know, if you know whereabouts to be, if you can get a true first touch or a decent, a decent toe on it or like you know Chris Goran brilliant poachers goal like first shot doesn't get it get his head in there before the keep I love that I love that kind of appetite bearing in mind he's yes he's scoring a high percentage of goals per minutes but he's not played loads he's not been on the pitch loads yeah know he's not well oiled in terms of ah a finisher but you know on the pitch But that was a finish of someone who says, I'm i'm ready. So, yeah, i would I would probably put him joint with Toure, maybe. But, no, I think we... I think the Karma will be second choice next next year. I think we spend every penny of the Sargent money and more on a striker. I think Vroman says, I want the million-pound striker.
00:36:44
Speaker
Do Chris Gorin's here next season? I think he goes somewhere. I think it depends on the... it Doesn't he need to have another bit of surgery to clean something up? Well, that's the rumour.
00:36:57
Speaker
I think it depends on the injury report. I think it depends on how fit are you? Because he is a player. I mean, he's clearly a player because he his touch is fantastic. I love his scrappy do antics in the air. I love how much he hurryrries hurries and hassles and...
00:37:14
Speaker
and like he can finish another one who, who when he, you know, when he's facing goal with the ball at his feet, he can leather it. So now I, I, I think there's a player there, but he he is one who you think probably does have some re retail sale value.
00:37:29
Speaker
If actually they're looking at the charts and the fitness and the data at the end, in kind of in June and going, Matty, you're not, youre you're not, you're never going be able to do it for 90 minutes in the championship. I don't even think it's fitness. I think it's profile.
00:37:41
Speaker
I think it's profile under in a Clement team. I think that that's where they might like to move him on. But I'd love to be wrong. I love him as a player and and I really want him to come good at Norwich because he just, he seems to have a ah really good energy about him.
00:37:55
Speaker
um So, yeah. Yeah, he looks like good lad, doesn't he? So before we get to our guarantees, I just wanted to take a moment to look at the the the new rules that ah have been agreed in South Wales, of all places. The International Football Association Board ifab approved the approvals at his annual general meeting at Hensel Castle in Wales. I've not been, but I'm sure it's lovely. So the there's gonna be more VAR, but that that actually sounds like a newspaper headline when you actually read what what it's all about, because there's more VAR in a way that they are going to do things like making sure corners are corners, not cold kicks, which in theory you would think would be instantaneous. My concern is that it's another thing they spend five minutes over. um
00:38:38
Speaker
What I find really interesting is the thing that we have long thought would be an instant fix for how shit VAR is, which is a countdown, they're bringing in for goal kicks, throw-ins and substitutions.
Improving VAR: Can It Be Done?
00:38:50
Speaker
So if you think, if you are bringing in that mechanic of there being some kind of on-pitch countdown or countdown on a screen or countdown in the ref's ear, why can you not just do that for the VAR decisions? Like there was a couple in the Premier League, i watched them actually today, this weekend, and and it apparently was five minutes plus at St James' Park on that Newcastle-Burnley, was it Burnley?
00:39:12
Speaker
No, it wasn't Newcastle, was it? Sorry. Burnley-Brentford. Yeah. The only time I'm in favour of a long VAR delay is when it's Ashley Barnes getting pissed off. That's brilliant. I thought you'd like that. Yeah, but it's just, it's stealing the joy. Exactly. But it's not stealing my joy when we're stealing Ashley Barnes' joy. Then it's brilliant. but you've got to feel for those fans. The pain of that. It's just, oh, God.
00:39:40
Speaker
I know, but yeah it's just horrible. It's horrible. I feel for the sport and I feel for the 12 year olds the 8 year olds and the 14 year olds who are growing up in an era where this is what it's like. And then adding corners into that. The game is just going to be constantly being looked at by VAR for every single thing.
00:40:02
Speaker
But if if you have that countdown, it's far less frustrating, far less frustrating. And and you can have five seconds for a corner, but you know, the the because the goal line technology is almost instantaneous. that So that should be the standard. It should be. it is or it isn't. Is that absolutely obvious? Can't tell. It sort of hits him in the tummy. It sort sort of hits him in the arm. Go with the on-field decision, which was goal. Okay, goal.
00:40:27
Speaker
Everyone would accept that because you've you've sort of you've just finished the big exhale of the first cheer and then you go with the second one. So if you if you want to keep it in, I don't think they'll ever get rid of it because you've got people like Plemont who cannot bear the idea of a season being thrown away on a clearly incorrect decision. They're still incorrect with VAR. But I think you're bang right. I think in terms of the observation that Clemont and lots of managers and Torrup did this as well, is they use VAR as ah I'm in favour of VAR when something's very obviously gone wrong and they can't go the refs of shit.
00:41:00
Speaker
But, you know, that's the default position, isn't it? now Whereas actually, if you had a wider debate with them and zoomed out a little bit and said, look, it is sucking the joy out of celebrating goals,
00:41:12
Speaker
It's sucking the joy out of a lot of match day, you know, kind of or match goers experiences. I think that that is the underlying point, you know, and, you know, we talked about it on this pod, probably what the first or second ever season that we we did the pod. and we i remember at Carrow Road, we were sat there talking about it with,
00:41:32
Speaker
might be Ben Kensal and Joe Ferrari or someone random like that and um and we were all apart from Lorne in fact you know and I don't often say Lorne's right of about stuff but you know we were all kind of in favor of right if we can be simple and it can you know and it can be quick then actually it could be a good thing but it's just not it's it's just and I don't even think it's bad implementation anymore and I take your point Tom about this if they could do it quickly, but they just can't.
00:42:00
Speaker
And they haven't been able to. And i you know i don't I don't really care about counting anymore because if if it's for a goal, the moment is, the the explosion is like half a second after the goal. And as soon as that's gone, yeah then there's something fundamentally wrong.
00:42:17
Speaker
Yeah, I get that. and and And in the championship or League One or whatever, you look across at the linesman and you see that the the linesman's running back towards the halfway line, the referee's running back towards the halfway line, and you're like, yeah, I can go limbs here. Yeah, exactly. So I get that. the only the The reason for my optimism and to try and be cup half full is because i I don't think it will ever go.
00:42:38
Speaker
and because you're right. I actually don't think that... Clement would ever agree that it should go because I do think he you will use it in those those ways to you know to put two fingers up to the ref when he's not allowed to say that but specifically but if Clement gets a team like Norwich into the Premier League and Clement needs a result on the final day and there is a um a clear and obvious decision that goes against him and there is no recourse at all and the goal stands and we go down that's what Clement thinks yes I might have to have some days when I'm robbed of it but that situation won't happen for me well that's what happened to Daniel and Leeds so against Man well
00:43:17
Speaker
There was two yeah awful decisions that went against them. There were three games, like the new the Newcastle game, the Burnley game and the Leeds game, three games that weekend that were were just you just think, well, you've you've literally seen a replay and you've still got it wrong. This is my point. They still get things wrong with it. It's even more infuriating than just but the human evidence in the live game. That's why I think you <unk> that there is a correlation, it seems, between the length of time it takes them to make the decision and the fact that they then get it wrong. So effectively, they tend to get the ones wrong where they've they've kind of talked themselves into it because they've looked at it so many times that we've looked at it for five minutes. Now, if we just go with the original decision, they'll be like, why did it take five minutes to give the original goal? That almost it's almost an inverse psychology that that seems even worse to take five minutes to to keep the same result. um So I'm just holding out some hope that by by starting this element of countdown,
00:44:12
Speaker
If that is established as a thing, there and you know we talked back and forth today on text about how it might be, and you know, Pump was pessimistic about whether or not players would still limp their way off or what have you. I think i think that will be easier to police than... I'm hoping that that's easier to police than you're saying, but... Yeah, because they've policed it so well at moment.
00:44:35
Speaker
Yeah, but they have they don't have an actual, they don't have the the the the threat of, um well I'm going to add an extra minute on, you're trying to waste a minute. youre see That's why Farka got a red card, because they didn't add any minutes on for time wasting Man City. He was joking apparently, wasn't he?
00:44:53
Speaker
was joking, don't ban me. that was joking on report bammy But looking on the report, what i understand, what what I seem to understand is it is it is it will be in some way graphically shown in the same way as they've changed it so the the referee would actually say what he's seeing on the pitch. They're actually going to graphically show some kind of countdown. It's not catchphrase, for fuck's sake. No, just get rid of it.
00:45:19
Speaker
I can't stand it. I don't want to talk about it anymore. That's enough. The more visual stuff there is in the stadium, the less easy it is for the refs to be shit.
00:45:33
Speaker
Because the rest can't go the refs can't ignore it if an extra minute goes on the board. Do you see what mean? So if it goes from four to five, they have to at least play to 95. Okay. but Yeah, I'll accept that.
00:45:46
Speaker
The rest of it can do one. or well Well, yeah, ah I'd like the whole thing to do one. but apart Apart from the red card and the two yellow cards now being able to be reviewed, I do agree with that because that's a ridiculous rule. But anyway, well they go the rest of it rubbish. heartly but that's It's like creep, creep, creep, isn't it? Because lot i I thought when when it first came in, I was like, well, what about someone scores a free kick? And actually then ah upon VAR review, you go, well, that's not a free kick.
00:46:13
Speaker
yeah But they still allow the goal as it stands. So it's, I don't know, it's all or nothing they should do nothing. They should just play all the games through a simulator and we can all just stay at home and find out what the result was.
FA Cup Predictions Against Leeds
00:46:24
Speaker
Or it's on the 1st of August, say we've run it through a simulator and Arsenal won the title.
00:46:29
Speaker
And then we can all just have Saturday afternoons doing gardening. Cool then. Right, let's talk about our guarantees then. we're gonna We've got a a very, very exciting game on Sunday. i would like your guarantees for the FA Cup, please, starting with you, punt.
00:46:45
Speaker
Ooh, I think we are going to win 2-1. um And I think we're going to do it late. And there's going to be a massive, massive Leeds seethe about something. And I don't know what it will be yet. I can just see...
00:47:03
Speaker
ah can just see Daniel Farker again on the pitch and his hair's kind of waving about a bit in the wind and flopping about a bit and you can kind of see where he' showing his hairline is getting, you know, exactly. i think I can just, I've dreamed it. ah I'm manifesting now.
00:47:21
Speaker
So yeah, massive lead, Seed. That's all I'm guaranteeing. Seed. They're going to be seething. Right. Okay. And a scorer, please.
00:47:38
Speaker
What do you mean for the last minute Lim's goal? is that way yeah yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. For the seething goal. if i The ball goes out of play and it comes back in. If I keep saying this on the pods, it'll happen one day.
00:47:50
Speaker
Kellen Fisher.
00:47:56
Speaker
Because Kellen loves a celebration. He loves a celebration. And he needs to learn how to score. yeah but I reckon he'll be one of those that he'll almost do like a boha where he'll jump on the advertising in hauling, but then he'll go one further and just launch himself into the away fans.
00:48:13
Speaker
He's got to learn to get it on target, let alone score. I'm just saying it happens. oh a bitmar i think I think when they do finish in practice at Colney, that's when he goes indoors and has his lunch. He has his sandwiches. right yeah Safe to say he won't be put as a striker in a little strike. Go on, Claire. Guarantee score and scorer.
00:48:38
Speaker
I think it's going to be a draw at is Does it go to extra time or is it just full time and penalties? It goes to extra time, doesn't it? Yes. Extra time pens, yeah.
00:48:50
Speaker
Yeah. So I think it's going to be a draw at the end of extra time to all. I think we'll have come back from maybe even 2-0 down. We'll come back and then...
00:49:02
Speaker
I'd love to say we're going to win on penalties because if Vlad plays or if they substitute Vlad on for the penalties, we've got a really good chance of winning penalty shootout.
00:49:13
Speaker
Better than Timmy Krohl. He's 100% record in saving penalties so far, isn't he? Yeah, we're going win on pens. Who's going score though?
00:49:24
Speaker
The whole team. because we're just going to win on pens. And I'd be like, well, no, no, because he's going to save them all. So we don't need to score what three, don't we?
00:49:35
Speaker
Yeah, but it's 2-2. Who's going to score? I don't know. know fit we don't know who's fit. We haven't got many format points, Claire. This is the only thing we do every time. Callum Fisher. Callum fellow Fisher.
00:49:50
Speaker
All right, who's going to score? Harry Darling's going to score, because I say that all the time, and he will one day. Well, Anis, because, you know, the man's a marvel, so Anis will score.
00:50:04
Speaker
I think it's going to invoke a famous Farker performance at Elland Road and we're going to win three one oh oh win And we are going to get our first penalty of the season.
00:50:19
Speaker
Or is it our first one? It's certainly one first one for a very, very long time. Sarge scored a penalty. That was ages ago. <unk> good so Especially if he scored it we Exactly, so he'd never existed So yeah, first um first penalty for ages or since records began and ah this I don't know who will take it because it really does depend on who isn't injured at that point and but one person who will score one of the three is Jacob Wright Who does take penalties now? That's a good good question It'll be whoever the nine is presumably
00:50:57
Speaker
like who Can you see him in a penalty taker? Yeah. Maybe. yeah and Actually, no. If Magoma's on the pitch, he's that's Magoma all over, isn't it? Kenny would just whack it.
00:51:13
Speaker
kenny I don't think it think Kenny would take it off. He wouldn't take it off Magoma. No. o Magoma strikes me as he might have a penenka in him.
00:51:25
Speaker
Oh no. No, no, no. Just whack it. so three but yeah through So three guaranteed wins. So we'll be able to concentrate on the... What's happened to us? We've all decided we're going to be gonna win Ellen Road. Mad. We're really correct. That's fine. PC world. Yeah, so we'll we'll concentrate on the league and it will be it'll be very, very moving to see the seething of the of the curtained bald spot man. And we we love him, but not during the game on Sunday. and Thank you very much, Claire, for your incredible insight. Punt, I acknowledge you exist. Everyone else, enjoy Cup Fever and we'll see you very soon. Mind how you go.