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(we are) NSFW Reaction to tech dependence and CrowdStrike issues
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Renee and Nadja talk about society's dependence on technology, summer camp for boys with Hemophilia, and the recent CrowdStrike issues.
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Transcript
Catch-Up and Recent Experiences
00:00:01
Speaker
Well, hello, Renee. Hi, how are you? Good, long time no chat. I know, I know. It has been a minute. It has been a minute, for sure. um For you guys, it's like we never left. Yeah, ah right right. I mean, we did we did do a live, which I am so proud of us. That's true in life. Like that was super exciting. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I for forgot. Honestly, I feel so much. Well, so much has happened since then. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. So much has happened.
00:00:38
Speaker
It was like, it was literally a week ago, right? Like that we did that live. Let me just double check. I was just saying, can you look? Cause I, I'm going to, I'm going to take a look a year. Let's see. Let's go to the U youtubes. We are at SFW. What are we? Yeah. Right. Um, so let's see 13 days ago. Seriously. Think about how much has happened in 13 days. That is crazy. So it's been two weeks. It wasn't one week. It's, it's been almost two weeks. Fair enough. But Jeezy Greasy. Yeah. Like in the span of two weeks, like it's not even just, Oh, there's all this stuff going on. It's like the world changed multiple. times ah Yeah. did Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:01:31
Speaker
It's an exciting time. It's an exciting time, too. It is yeah exciting or interesting, like which. Well, both. I mean, it's exciting. It's interesting.
Anticipation for Elections and Voting Importance
00:01:44
Speaker
It's um well, I mean, here in the U.S., we have what is it? Like 105 days until the election or something. Oh, my gosh. You are. Are we are we in the getting close to less than 100 days countdown already? How many days that real? Let's see. Where in July about to go into August, September, October, November. Oh, yeah.
00:02:09
Speaker
uh let me look hold on uh oh there's an election clock there's an election clock um we're 102 days 11 hours 23 minutes and 37 seconds 102 days OK, OK, I will say I will say this. um I am so excited to vote for the first time in a national. Yes, I'm so happy. You know, I voted. I voted locally and.
00:02:41
Speaker
And so that was an experience. That was a fun experience. Like I think we may have talked about this before, but like um before I went to vote for the local elections, my husband and I sat down and we went through all of the um the different propositions and kind of read like the pros and cons of each. So not not necessarily. and we Yeah. So we we are I mean, he you know, he wanted to make sure that I had the full experience of this is what you're voting for. And this is how it can be written in a tricky way where you understand it to be one way, but really it's another way. So that's why it has to you have to like read closely. And um whenever I share this story about how my husband you know helped basically give me homework before I voted, um everybody's like,
00:03:35
Speaker
that's a lot of work that you put into just to vote locally. And it's like, but isn't that the point? Like the point is to be yeah well informed of what you're voting on, because if it's going, especially in the local elections, right? Because that affects you, that affects us directly. Like whatever I vote for or against, is going to affect me in some way, shape, or form. So yeah, I i want to know and have a accurate information as to what it is I'm saying yes or no to. Well, I think, and we talked about this before, if I had to take the citizenship test that you took, I would have failed.
00:04:16
Speaker
but I take for granted. I don't think you would have failed. I think you would have. I'm pretty sure I would have I'd have bombed it. um So some of them may have made you like think about it for a second. But I think you you especially you would have been fine.
Challenges of Citizenship and Voting Logistics
00:04:28
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OK, well, I appreciate that. But um
00:04:33
Speaker
I think that a lot of us take all of this for granted. And so and when you become a new citizen, you're very excited. you know you've You've gotten pumped up through the process, right? You've had to take the exam. You've become very intimate with with all of the um political stuff that matters and the history and all this stuff. So the first time you get to vote, you're pumped. It's not like, oh crap, I got to go vote. I wish that everybody would get this excited about voting. um but I it's really exciting. And so this will be your first national election. Yes. yeah And um and that's a big deal. Yeah. um It's I don't know how much we want to go into that on here, um but.
00:05:16
Speaker
It's up I was going to say we could we could deep dive into that like as a separate. um Sure. But it's a big it's a big year for it. And yeah um so this is a really exciting time to to have your first election. It's it's pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's good. I'm not happy for you. I'm so excited. I have ah another friend um that is trying to get her citizenship right now. And she's really bummed because she said basically she messaged me the other day and said, she's like, I just don't think I'm going to get it. She's been trying forever. It's just going really slow for her. um no Why is that? I don't know. I'm not sure.
00:05:58
Speaker
um But she said, I just don't think it's going to happen in time to vote. And she's so politically engaged in US politics because she's been here most of her life. She's British. And um so anyway, she's really bummed because she really, really wants to vote in this national election. But it doesn't look like her citizenship is going to come through in time. So she's so sad. Oh, well, I mean, so I thought that my citizenship was going to take a while. Like, I i don't know if you remember, but when I originally submitted my application, it said like. um
00:06:35
Speaker
it It told me processing time was like 17 months and I was like, OK, well, 17 months. It's great. You know, I guess there's a huge backlog or whatever. um But it was like a week later or not not even a week later, it was a few days later I received a notification. um saying that my citizenship test, my interview would be scheduled within like three weeks or something like that. And I was like, okay, okay, fantastic. um And then after after the citizen, but like after all of that, basically it went from like 17 months and then it went down to like 12 months and then it went down
00:07:22
Speaker
to eight months and then it went to here is the date of your oath swearing and appointment. And I was like, I thought it was supposed to be 17 months. I mean, I'm not complaining, but, you know, they they give you a preliminary, like, sure. Maybe that's what's happening with her. I don't know. I'll see her on Saturday. So I'll ask her. Yeah so just just let her know to have faith because that's what happened to me like I thought I thought it was gonna be 17 months and I was like well I guess you know whatever it's fine because it automatically extended my green card um which is which was my main concern you know because I was so close to the exploration. I get confused on this so you didn't have a permanent green card?
00:08:07
Speaker
There's no, so. Because Joanna, my friend, she has, ah I guess, a permanent green card. It'll never expire, her green card. Yeah, so she said it's an old one. Yeah, your permanent residency doesn't expire, but your green card expires like the card itself, your identification. It's like your driver's license, right? Yeah, but she has one that doesn't expire. That's what she said. Yeah, so there was, I can't remember what year it was, but there was a point where they stopped giving the green cards that were perpetual and then they turned it into 10 years.
00:08:43
Speaker
OK, you had to renew it every 10 years. Now, what happens if you don't renew it? I mean, really nothing like you might get a fine if if you were in a situation where you left the country and you were coming back and you didn't have a um ah ah valid green card. But your permanent residency, as far as I understood it, your permanent residency itself doesn't get revoked unless you get like deported. Right. I wonder, I think she immigrated here with her parents in the 80s. Like, okay. Yeah, that that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah. She said that hers is like paper and it's looking pretty old. Yeah. And she's always paranoid when she travels back to the UK. Mine was super fancy. It's like that really thick, um, like, uh, Oh, what is that? You know, you know, those credit cards that are made with like metal in it.
00:09:40
Speaker
Oh, wow. Yeah. OK, so that's what my green card felt like. Oh, and then it had like on the back, it had like holographic things, which was like ah my picture ID was like a hologram inside of the back, like um metal part. And it was overlaid with the um the seal of the United States. Like yeah there were there were a lot of different things that when you looked at it, that's in all different ways. Like yeah you you find a new thing each time. Yeah. Wow. That's pretty cool. Yeah. Well, that's neat. Yeah. Well, I'm excited for you. um Are you going to vote early? Are you going to save it for election day? No, no, no. it So we voted early for the local elections. Okay. Probably vote early for um for the national one too, just because um I just don't want to
00:10:29
Speaker
I don't want to I don't want to get into the on Election Day, standing in line for hours. Oh, no polling center close. You know, like that's but I see that kind of stuff on on the news and like in newspapers and things like that. And I'm just like, I don't have time for that. Yeah. As a matter of fact, I'm looking it up now to see when is ah like what is early voting day?
00:10:56
Speaker
Yeah. So Tuesday, November 5th. Okay. Good. You found it. Why can't I find it? ah Well, I'm on the secretary of state website and they've got, they've got like every single date listed on there. So it says the last day to receive ballot by mail is Tuesday, November 5th, which is election day by 7 PM. Um, But Friday, November 1st is the last day of early voting. The first day of early voting by personal appearance is Monday, October 21st. So October 21st is the first day of
Hemophilia Camp: Purpose and Personal Connection
00:11:34
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Early voting. Early voting by personal appearance. Yes. Well, we can't, we're too young to melon and vote, right? So I think so. yeah Yeah. Yeah. You have to have very specific, um, qualify. Yeah. Qualifications to be able to do that. Well, I want to do it on October 21st, then there you go. I just want to get out of the way, get it over with. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Cool. Awesome. Well, I'm glad we got that worked out. She put that on the calendar. Um, Yeah, I'm pumped. I'm slick. So that wasn't what we were going to talk about. No, no, no. As a matter of fact, I did say I didn't have anything, but we just had a previous call with a friend of ours and you told a story that I thought was interesting about losing your phone. But the interesting thing to me about it was most people lose their phone. They panic. They don't have a backup plan. You're like, oh, it's no big deal because I got this and I got that and I got this. And I'm like, my God, you know, um, if I lose my phone, that's it. I'm done.
00:12:35
Speaker
I lost my phone. But you're like, oh, I have this other number. I have this Google thing. I have iMessage. You have so many things going on. It's like you are so the most prepared person I know. I swear to God. I'm glad you think so. I don't No, I mean, it was just crazy. So yeah. um So i I would love to talk about that, too. Yes, I think it would be worthy. Well, it segues very well into the topic that I wanted to bring up. Recently, I was a camp counselor for a week at a camp for boys with hemophilia. It is a medical camp and we are there for the full week, day in, day out. Talk about what it is, just in case people don't know what that means.
00:13:21
Speaker
Okay, so um the camp is called Camp Alapoma. So shout out out Camp Alapoma. And it is a it is a camp for um kids with a bleeding disorder, specifically hemophilia. So hemophilia is a blood blood clotting disorder. Basically, they just um there's different levels of severity. So if you're If you have severe hemophilia, it means you have less than like one percent factor in your um in your blood. If you're moderate, it's like one to three percent. And then if you're mild, it's less than five percent. And um the clotting factor is just what helps you stop bleeding. You know, so these kids, they bruise easily. They bleed into their joints.
00:14:05
Speaker
Um, head injuries are very, uh, dangerous potentially for them. Um, you know, there's, there are certain things like they can't take blood thinners or, uh, because, you know, they already don't clot. So, um, things like, um, NSAIDs are not good for them to take but because it affects their liver and their, their liver. So hemophilia, yeah the, um, the factor is a protein or the The factor element? I have no idea. The factor element is produced in the liver. So there is no cure for hemophilia, but there have been um instances where you know somebody with hemophilia had a liver transplant for a completely different reason, and then they suddenly no longer have hemophilia.
00:14:56
Speaker
since it is, i didn't know that that's yeah, the factor is created in the liver. But you know, to that point, like who is having elective liver transplants because they have hemophilia, you know, like it has to be a life threatening thing to even be put on the transplant plantlets and all that kind of stuff. So all that to say, it was a complete liver transplant. It wasn't a partial liver transplant that um that caused ah their hemophilia to basically be cured or disappear. um So the kids at this camp are, and they rangege range from ages 7 to 17. And so um my cabin is always the older kids, they're the 14 year olds, or not always, majority of the time, it's the 14 year olds. And the reason that we consider that the oldest cabin is because
00:15:50
Speaker
when you turn 15, like from 15 to 17, you go into what's called the leadership program. And that is basically to train you to become the next level of leaders, to become the next counselors in training so that once you turn 18, you can come back as a counselor and have the confidence and the tools needed to, you know, basically be a mentor to these kids that with the same disorder. So it's a lot of fun. So let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. Just because I can imagine people might be curious about this. Two questions. One is, how did you get involved in this? Yeah. Because we haven't, I don't think you mentioned that. And two, why do they need a special camp in the first place? Like, why does this exist? Yeah. So those are two great questions. The first, so your first question, how did I even get involved with this is,
00:16:45
Speaker
So my husband has hemophilia. He started off as a camper. He he attended when he was seven years old. He went through the leadership program and he became a counselor. And um I mean, like super kudos to him. He has never missed a year. Really? Since he was seven years old, he has attended camp every single year as a camper, as a leadership, as a counselor. And so, um yeah, I think oh I can't remember. Was it? Was it 30? I think we were at 30, because he's, he just turned 40. So if he started when he was seven. um Yeah. 33 years. 33 years. Every single year. Holy crap. That's impressive.
00:17:32
Speaker
It is impressive. I'm so proud of him. Especially with his schedule. Yeah. No, this is his one non-negotiable. Got it. This is non-negotiable. He has to be able to attend camp. He has to be able to take his BTO for camp. Um, so that's, that's how I got involved in it. And I actually didn't start attending as a counselor until, um, after we got married. So we got married in 2009 and my first year as a counselor was in 2010. And actually he just admitted to me, um, recently he was like, it it it actually made him really nervous.
00:18:10
Speaker
for me to start attending camp with him because it's like two his two worlds were like merging. Oh, yeah. So like his hemophilia family and then, you know, me merging them together was kind of nerve wracking for him, which I completely understand. But it was just I thought it was really cute that he just admitted this to me like when we got back. You know, this took this trip like this trip. Yeah. Oh, that's hilarious. Last weekend, he was like, you know, the first time you came to camp as a counselor, I was actually really nervous. Like it was it was really scary for me to combine these two worlds that had always been separate um because these are people that have known me since I was a kid, you know. And so and and it normally more often than not impacts boys.
00:19:03
Speaker
yes so um Statistically speaking, right medical history has always shown that it only affected boys. And once again, to to go back to the whole, um you know, women or females aren't taken seriously or or research is not focused on them and things like that. So it turns out, um I think it's within the past like five or 10 years, they've started to realize that females
00:19:37
Speaker
can have hemophilia. It's not at the same severity. so they don't eat It's very rare to see um a female with hemophilia in the severe range where it's less than 1% factor levels in their body or their body produces less than 1% of factor. um It's usually more and and like the mild to um like 40% or whatever. So enough that it'll affect them, but not enough for research to really be right prioritized in um in the female healthcare for hemophilia. So once again, it's only recently that they've started to admit that, okay, females do carry, or females can be symptomatic
00:20:29
Speaker
of hemophilia. right So our daughters, because it is an X-linked recessive ah genetic disorder, um our daughters are carriers of hemophilia, which means that they typically they're asymptomatic. They don't exhibit any symptoms. They just carry the gene, which means that if they have kids, um there's like a 50, 50, 50 chance that their sons will have hemophilia. And, um, that's rough. Yeah, that's rough to know. Yeah, it is. It is rough, but you know, the, you know, that's something that we talked about at camp, um, during the
00:21:09
Speaker
during like the, oh, what is it? During med notes. So when we were talking to the nurses and things like that, just the advancements in the technology of treatment and medications, it has grown exponentially to the point that um like from when I started to now, like this, i've I've basically been going for what, like nine years or something like that. So um so from, from when I started back in 2010 to now, the way that the Profi, which is their prophylaxis, like their medications and how frequently they take it, um
00:21:53
Speaker
the whole process has changed so much. So when I first started, every single morning, we would take kids, you know, most of them, because majority of them are severe, um we would take kids to the, we call it the quack shack, which is the medical building. So we'd take them to the quack shack in the morning to do their prophylaxis, which is, um you know, it's an IV injection effector. And so, it would be so busy in the mornings that, you know, you were always trying to get there as early as possible. So sometimes we're taking these kids there at like six, six 30 in the morning, just so we could be like the first yeah for them to to get their medication and then come back. And this was every single day.
00:22:37
Speaker
So some of these kids were having prophy twice a day, every day. Some of them were only doing it like three times, I say only. Some of them were only doing it three times a week, like Monday, Wednesday, Friday. um Some of them were only doing it um once a week. you know So it was a very varied um frequency of medication that they they needed to take. and that was So that was back in 2010. So this most recent year, we had two. two campers that needed to go to the, ooh. Wow. Celebrate. Wow. Look at that. Yeah. We had two campers that needed to go to the ah Quack Shack one time okay for their medication. That was it.
00:23:23
Speaker
So we went from every single day, twice a day sometimes, um that kids needed medication to these two kids that just needed their medication and one time during the week because that was the once a month that they needed to take their medication. well So amazing. So amazing. and um And yeah, yeah, it is. So that's how I got into it. And then your second question was, um why do kids like this need a camp right like this, right? um So a lot of the time, you know like if we're doing a comparison between then and now again, um these kids are, they're they're in a very protective bubble. There's a lot of things that they can't do. Like there's certain sports, they they can't play contact sports.
00:24:15
Speaker
So football is completely out of the question. Soccer is questionable. um We had we have kids that, you know, they play baseball, but even that is like they they're very limited in the positions that they could play um because of, you know, wear and tear like as a pitcher. um there's a lot of like shoulder injuries and because hemophiliacs bleed into their joints, that's very painful. So if they get a joint bleed, then they can't pitch. um And even if they're on the field, like if they're basement or out in the outfield or whatever, there is always that potential that they could get hit in the head with the baseball that's going
00:24:57
Speaker
Yeah, I need to 100 miles an hour, you know, like, and that that's that could potentially be life threatening to them. So um the the sports that they can play are things like swimming. They could be on the swim team because it's low impact, but it's still like a team thing. um And I think that's like the safest sport that they're allowed to play without needing really a doctor to sign off on it. um But the reason that they need a camp like this is because being surrounded by other kids could who understand what they're going through, who understand the um the limitations that they have, you know who understand what it feels like to constantly be sheltered, and then just have a place that is
00:25:49
Speaker
It's a medical facility like it's covered. The staff are nurses and doctors and social workers, you know, um like this is the safest camp for them to attend where they can just be kids. Yeah, they can just be boys. um You know, there's like zip lining, there's a ropes course. There's um archery, fishing, boats, you know, canoeing, kayaking. um They have arts and crafts, they have pottery, like just all of the things that
00:26:24
Speaker
For the most part, they have an adult that's kind of hovering behind them constantly saying, oh, you need to be careful. Oh, you can't do this. Oh, no, this is too dangerous. But at this camp, because of the way that it's designed, it's like these are the activities that you can do. And they're like, oh, my gosh, I can I can do archery like I'm allowed to do that. Yeah. Or, you know, oh, eat I can go kayaking like you're going to you're going to let me get in a kayak in the middle of a lake, you know, and it's just the joy in their faces is, ah that's that's the part that like makes it all worthwhile for me. And like i I will get sappy and teary about this because yeah because like I know the profound impact that it had on my husband um like attending as a camper and the fact that you know it's a testament to the
00:27:16
Speaker
the imprint that it made on him, you know, that he continues to come back as a counselor because he wants the kids to have the same experience and memories that he had as a camper. And um yeah, and just have a place where they they're accepted and It's it's just what they have isn't a limitation anymore. It's like they they talk about it like it's a superpower, you know, like it's it's just it's so great. And the camp itself is called Camp John Mark. So shout out to Camp John Mark.
00:27:46
Speaker
um Camp John Mark hosts these summer camps for um different medical disorders all throughout the summer. So hemophilia is one week. They have one camp for um kids with sickle cell disease. um They have a camp for kids with active cancer. They have a camp for kids that are survivors of cancer. They have a camp for, um ah Camp Reynal is for ah kidney kidney disease. Yeah. um Yeah. Just all sorts of stuff. So the fact that they they have this really safe and like.
00:28:26
Speaker
enjoyable place for kids that may not necessarily have a normal childhood. It's just, I think it's such a beautiful thing. Like I'm a, I'm a huge supporter of everything that they do. That's great. Well, that that's awesome. So all of that, so all of that to say, going back to the lake, you lost her Yeah. All of that to say, yeah. So that, that's the whole hollow blue. Okay. So.
00:28:57
Speaker
um I was taking pictures, like I i was helping the um ah staff taking pictures of the campers that could go back to their parents so that their parents could like look through albums of what their kids are up to while they're at camp, right? So i I knew going into it, my project was boats. So that meant that I was on a boat, whether it was a canoe or a kayak with camper or campers, plural, um I knew that it was a risk taking my phone onto the boats or kayaks, right? Right. And so the one day that I decided, you know what? I'm going to take this risk. I have a I have a wet bag that, you know, is on a lanyard around my neck. I can get some like awesome. That's the only day you took your.
00:29:44
Speaker
That was the only day that I took my phone out onto onto the boat. Usually I kept it in my backpack that was on the dock. um But the one day that I was like, you know what, we're ah the the activity for boats project that day was um canoe tipping. So we were going to. flip the boat and then the kids would learn how to flip it back and then get back in. So flip it back without making it full of water and then get back in. So it's a skill building thing. Like that's a great skill to learn, right? Like how do you flip a canoe back when you're a kid and and um
00:30:19
Speaker
And so in my head, I was thinking, oh, I could get some great shots of like the kids tipping out of the boats and then, um you know, getting back in and like in the water, like how cool would those shots be? Like that's that was the thought process in my head. And. Once again, I knew the risk going in, but I was thinking, well, it's in a little like wet bag and it'll float. It's not a big deal if it comes off, you know, if it goes off into the lake. Right. So I happen to have one of the younger campers in my canoe. um So we were tipping the canoe. So we flipped the canoe.
00:30:58
Speaker
And then he was kind of struggling to get back into the canoe because, you know, they're a little bit deeper um or the canoes are set a little bit deeper. And, you know, as an eight year old kid, it's. You're small, right? yeah So like as I'm helping him, like I'm pulling the the side of the canoe down a little. like We'd already flipped it right side up. um By the way, the the technique is called the Texas T. So if you ok you are ever interested in looking that up, like go ahead, look up Texas T for um when your boat or your canoe or kayak flips. And um so anyways,
00:31:38
Speaker
I was helping him get back in. And then as I did it, I guess like when I pulled down on the side of the canoe, like the, li you know, cause there's a lip on it right and it kind of like comes out like that. So the edge of it caught on my bag on my wet phone bag and I didn't realize it. And so when I pulled myself up into the canoe, it snapped off my lanyard. So the bag snapped off my lanyard. I thought it had caught on my life jacket. But once I got back in the boat, I went to go take a picture of the camper and I was like, oh, well, my phone is gone. And as I look over the edge, I see the bag like, whoo,
00:32:20
Speaker
going down into the depths of the lake. It almost sounds like a cartoon scene, you know? Yeah, no, it totally was. It was totally a cartoon thing. And then I was like, you know, I waved down because they had two lifeguards on paddles, like paddle boats out there. And I was like, hey, just so you know, like if you see my phone, like it's in a little bag, if it floats towards you, just grab it. It's mine. And then um they were freaking out and they were like, Oh, my gosh, we've got to find your phone. I'm like, no, it's totally fine. Like if it floats up, and it floats up. If you see it, grab it. It's not a big deal. um I felt so bad because I think they were like so so stressed out that my phone was in the in the lake, in the water. And I was like, it's no big deal. It's I swear. Now, granted, these are college students. Yeah. So I i can see how for them, you know, like losing your phone is like the end of the world. But I am a geriatric millennial.
00:33:17
Speaker
And I'm like, yeah, I had to live through like waiting until 9 p.m. before I can make phone calls because, you know, you got charged per minute. And then when text messages became a thing, you only, you know, your packages started off at either 100 text messages a month or 500. And you if you had the 500 text messages a month, like you were super cool, you know? Yeah. And um yeah. So like. not a huge deal. And to your point, Renee, but also right but also to your point, yes, my entire existence is it accessible on my phone, meaning, you know, communication with clients, um like video editing,
00:34:00
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um and documents, like everything is on my phone. I do have everything backed up constantly. So i have I have multiple backups for like pictures or downloads. So any files that like end up on my phone, they get backed up to multiple cloud services. aye My phone in itself does a like a full system backup. I think it's like, it it takes a snapshot like every I think I have set up for like every two hours. Right. So once again, I was not super. But you also apparently have another phone number, a Google phone number you. um
00:34:45
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Yeah. I message. So you were never even, plus your, I forgot your husband's at camp with you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So like, um, you're never too far from your kids. Right. Um, yeah, it was like a perfect ideal situation for losing your phone. But the interesting part was the fact to me that you had I message and, and Google. So it was like, you are still so highly connected, right? And I just think that's interesting because to your point, if you think about how I've started, I started realizing that um
00:35:23
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my watch, right? Do you have a watch? Do you have a watch? Well, I have a Garmin. Okay. All the notifications. I realize sometimes I can go very long without ever using my phone because all the notifications come to my watch, which is also highly annoying because it's hard to disconnect. Yeah. Cause if you turn it off on your watch, like focus mode on the iPhone, it turns it on focus mode on your iPhone too, which is not really what I wanted. And so it's like becomes so complicated. Becoming we're all so highly connected. So when you were telling this story um earlier, I just realized how you're even next level connected.
00:36:03
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and And I just think that's really interesting. um So you had your Garmin, you get text messages on your Garmin? So I get notifications. Basically, the Garmin, it's it's not your typical smartwatch, if that makes any sense. So basically, like I can't make calls or text messages from my watch. It'll just let me know what my phone is saying. So um I did that on purpose, by the way, because ah the thought of your we already have this attached to our I see I just picked it up. I knew exactly where it was. We all were already so attached to this device. I was feeling trapped.
00:36:45
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by the thought that if I have it like as a watch and it can do everything that my phone can do, then I feel obligated to always be accessible. And I'm like, I would rather not. It's good and it's bad. yeah Right. Like ah my biggest fear is that something happens to my mom or my kid. Right. And I don't know because that happened to me with my dad when my dad died and I missed his call the last call. I missed it. And so that is stuck with me. Right. Yeah. But at the same time now I can't make it stop. Like literally one of my goals this weekend because I'm going away for the weekend is um
00:37:28
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to figure out how to turn off so many of the notifications on my watch, because now I feel so overly connected. Yeah, it's just really become annoying. Sometimes I just take the I love wearing the watch because I like to get my points for my steps and write all of that athletic stuff. Not not that I'm an athlete in any way, but those kind of health metrics, right? Yeah. But I mean, that is that is a real problem. Like the yeah the super connectivity ah of society right now. Like that is a huge, huge problem just to kind of go back to, you know, when Houston was hit by a hurricane barrel. um Yeah. One of the things that made it so nerve wracking for me
00:38:13
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And so anxiety inducing was the fact that this was the first hurricane that we've been through where we had no cell phone signal. Like we could not get text messages in and out to friends. Like it was it was so sporadic. We could there were zero phone calls. Like we tried to make phone calls. You could not make a phone call. So you just had to pray that these text messages would like make it out to the people that you were trying to reach out to. And also just the fact that we couldn't even pull up whether the like the weather radar information. So it's like, okay, well, is the hurricane getting bigger, stronger? Is it weakening? Like what is happening? We had zero information. And that was probably the scariest and most eye-opening um scenario for me because you know it in a world where you're so
00:39:08
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used to immediate information and data, when you don't have access to it at all, it's like, and you're in the dark and you're living in the stone ages is what it felt like. It's almost like, how did we live before not knowing everything? You're right. I mean, we just talked about this, it might've been the last episode or the episode before last, where you were walking me through the tornado that came here. Yeah. Yeah. Because I was so disconnected and it is scary. And it's we back then we used to have before we had weather radios, right? Yeah. Some people did. And I actually have a weather radio somewhere in one of our closets, but it never works very well. And so I just don't even use it. And I guess that would be a solution. But we've become so reliant on these devices. that now we're not set up for a different solution. Which I think it's particularly interesting how deeply connected we are. By the way, since then, since you've been gone, I signed up and got cable again. What? Well, politics. Couldn't go without it. Had to see it. Well, but but I signed up for YouTube TV. OK, so and that's been really an interesting experience. But so not traditional cable, just YouTube TV. Uh huh. OK. And so, yeah. All right. All right. I couldn't I couldn't go without it. I mean, yeah, neat things. And so I signed up. OK. Yeah. So there you go.
00:40:56
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ah told i totally india I would turn it back off again on January 20th. I was about to ask, is is this just a temporary? Yeah, just temporary. Yeah. OK. Yeah. All right. So it goes OK. I'll turn it off. and da but so Yeah. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. Now, I will say that was um that was definitely something that when we um when we had the opportunity to like turn on our our generator and get power back, which is so cool that you have one of those. Yeah. So we have we have rapid ears.
00:41:30
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so we could get over the air yeah like the local over the air stations and that was that was what helped us get more information on what was happening like with the storm and stuff like that but yeah that hyper connectivity um it's it's a like at this point it's not even a Oh, you know, them them kids like the kids. It's always the kids, right? It's always like, no, I am. No, it's the world. It's not even American society. It is the entire world. Culture is immediate access to information, hyper connectivity. And yeah, like not having it. It's almost like.
00:42:16
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you know, you think about the places that don't have clean water and you're like, why? Why don't you have clean water? And I know, but instead it's, I don't you have access to the internet. I know. I know. It's, it's weird. It's like, um, I, and it's funny because I know that personally I'm too connected at this point. yeah I've become too deeply immersed. um And what I mean by that is it's become such a habit to pick up the phone that I don't even think about it anymore.
00:42:51
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I just pick it up. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Yeah. And so I'm like, oh my God, this has gotten just ridiculous. So yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. It's just a habit. It's just like fidgeting. Honestly, it's kind of the same. So yeah, I think that's interesting. So what else were we going to talk about?
Infrastructure Vulnerabilities and Global Impact
00:43:10
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Well, all of that, like the the whole my phone connection, um having things backed up and and the hyper-connectivity, um it all ties back to what everybody has probably already at least heard about, which is the um the crowd strike. Oh, that's right. Yes, outage. Yeah. I know nothing other than it's a thing that happened. Yeah. And so it affected
00:43:36
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I mean, so many, it it affected everything around the world, right? Like you you hear it from the smallest, like, mom and pop companies. So like the small businesses were affected, but then like airlines were affected too. So like right you know and Delta is still trying to rick recover from- They're still unraveling, right? Yeah. yeah there's still a you know ah I think it was yesterday I was watching this um there ah report that that was showing that
00:44:09
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there were, for it for that day, there were like 1700 delayed flights. And then there were, I mean, like just thinking about the fact that these are thousands, like the number is in the thousands of delayed, canceled, yeah lost luggage, um rebooked customers, like just thinking about flights on their own. So if they're saying 1700, drd 1,700 flights were delayed every flight. How many people are on that flight that are now delayed and stuck in whatever airport they're in? And it's not like they just have one Delta flight going out, you know, like, yeah, multiple. So right. The sheer number of people affected by this has been insane. So my understanding of what happened was that um
00:45:07
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Crowd. So CrowdStrike is a um like it's a platform that works with Microsoft. And what had happened was um there was an update that was pushed out and it either had the wrong code in it or there was like a glitchy there was a bug or something like that. But what it what it did because of that error, it um gives you on on a Windows computer, it gives you the blue screen of death. Right. And we all have had that experience, right? You get the blue screen of death and it's like, oh my gosh, this is going to turn on. Like if I if i restart it or do a hard shutdown, will I continue to get the blue screen of death or will it just like magically fix itself, right? And so it it was going in a constant like restart loop.
00:45:57
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So all of the um companies that had this particular software on their computers, on their Windows computers, because it didn't affect Mac, it was Windows computers, um it would cycle through the blue screen of death. And so that means you can't access anything on the hard drive, you cannot get into the system, you cannot access your software, your programs and things like that. And that is not good news for you know, so facilities or wasn't something that you could you had. It wasn't like you had to go do an update on your computer and then something went wrong. This is just something that just happened.
00:46:37
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it Well, it was an update. So an update was pushed through and then the update affected the Windows workstation. But here's what I mean. Like, I think right now on my Mac that there's an update waiting, but I have to say yes to the update. Right. But did people choose to do the update? Yeah. So I think this is one of those automatic updates. Ah, yeah. OK. Yeah, that's what it meant. Like it's bundled together with everything. You know, like when I worked in corporate health care, one of the things that we all like we always, always turned off automatic updates specifically.
00:47:16
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but for the reason that um sometimes an update would go through and it was always like a K something update, right? um But there would be a specific update that goes through and then all of a sudden we couldn't open our EMR. And so it like there was like a conflict in the- into communication of it or whatever. So what we'd what we would have to do is we would have a um we would have a quarantined computer. So one computer that whenever Windows is like we're releasing an update, we're like, OK, we're going to try it on this computer that, you know, it's it's just got it it's part of the network. Right. But this specific computer is also isolated enough that we can screw it up
00:48:00
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And and it's fine. Right. So so we would test it on the quarantine computer and if it broke our EMR, then we knew not to push that update. We knew that we could write a script that will. That'll push through all of the updates except for the one that broke it, you know, because that's the other thing that you could do. You can specify, yes, I want all of it or no, I only want these ah updates. Do not do this one so we can get really specific with it. And I think that's what happened with this crowd strike thing. Now, if there there are absolutely people that know.
00:48:36
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the technicalities and they know more details than I do. I'm just I'm just going off of like what I understood based on my preliminary, um you know, just kind of looking it up while I was at camp. This all happened while I was at camp and I was just trying to get information and to make sure that it didn't affect my clients, because like what a pickle to be in. that you know I'm in a place where
00:49:07
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data is not easily accessible and then all of a sudden my healthcare clients, their systems go down or you know any of my other small business clients, like their systems are affected. like I did not want to have to be dealing with that and um taking away from um the camp experience grants because of something that I knew nothing about. right So, well, yeah, so all of that to say. It's a stark reminder of how dependent we are. Exactly. On these systems that we have built working. Well, it's true. And when they don't work, society doesn't work. In this book that I really want you to read, The Nuclear War book.
00:50:02
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Um, an EMP goes off over the United States, right? What's that? You texted to me, right? I gosh, I think so. um But an EMP goes off over the United States, the entire United States. And um the devastation of that is almost as bad as the devastation of the nuclear war. um Jeez. Yeah, I was surprising. um how
00:50:33
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What impact that has on our society now? It's pretty wild. It's pretty wild, honestly.
00:50:41
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I'm sending you the link now. Yeah. i was a Can you send me the link? cause i'm looking for the um yeah I'm looking for the message that you sent me about it, but we we text each other about all sorts of things. I know. It's like if you don't click on it right away, there you go. Thanks. Yeah. But the EMP, the impact of our electronics dying on us as a nation is as devastating as anything else that could possibly happen because our cars wouldn't start. um are Our dependency on the internet and computers is
00:51:20
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Well, I mean, it would be like going back to the 1800s or something. Nothing would work. Nothing. We're fortunate that this thing was fixed so quickly and it didn't have a bigger impact. Well, and also- Are you talking about- Go Apple, right? Well, okay, so with the CrowdStrike thing, do you know what the fix was? No. The fix is updating each individual computer.
00:51:51
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So the fact that these, the fact that these IT t companies are, you know, like remote access is, and it's pretty much become the norm, right? Like these, um sure you you partner with an IT t support company and based out of a different state, a different country, um and they can remote in and troubleshoot or whatever. So the fix, the fix had to be, physical like they had to be physically in front of the computer to be able to do it because no, because it wouldn't even let you load so that it could connect to the Internet. So somebody had to be in front of the computer to do whatever keystrokes need to be done to open that back door where they can reboot it like in safe mode or whatever. So they needed to physically touch every single computer that was affected by this.
00:52:49
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This is the reason why it has taken so long to fix because, you know, some of these companies, they have, it's not just like, oh, there's 10 or 15, even 10 or 15 computers having to touch every single one. and you have one IT person going in and doing that, like i I know firsthand that that is incredibly time consuming. So even if you have a team of IT professionals, right the fact that they had to physically be in front of the computers that were affected,
00:53:27
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that's that's a huge time currency that they're using. I'm you have thoughts. I can tell now I'm speechless. I'm just. Wow. Yeah, what if this had happened on Election Day? Oh, oh, that would have been how would have put like a conspiracy theories or or this conspiracy theorists yeah into a tizzy like that would have been a conspiracy theorists field day if this happened on Election Day or even like close to election. Right.
00:54:00
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if it was remotely connected to anything political. And that's the other thing. So the conspiracy theorists have been coming out and saying. oh Oh, really? I love a good conspiracy theory. Well, yeah. So they're they're all saying, oh, yeah, they're they're saying that this was a bug. This was, um you know, an error in the code or whatever. But what they're trying to cover up is that the Russians and the Chinese have like um created this like cyber attack on the United States and <unk> And it's like, yeah, but it's not just the United States that was affected like Microsoft anywhere Microsoft is, you know, like, yes, Microsoft is a U.S. based company. But I mean, Microsoft is worldwide, you know. Interesting. Well, that's interesting. Yeah. No, I didn't know much about it because I have a Mac and I didn't care. I'm just being honest. It was just one of those blips. The funniest thing to me about it was, you know, the spear in Vegas.
00:54:57
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Oh, yeah, yeah. ah It was had the blue screen on it and it was really funny looking. Did it? Yeah, I love that spear, by the way. um I just think it's so cool. Well, that's interesting because I'm like, wait a second. Sphere Las Vegas, um like blue screen, right? Look at that blue screen. yeah Oh, it totally did. Yeah. Isn't that fun? I think it was on purpose, but. and It looks like it was on purpose. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's so funny. Yeah, it was pretty cool. um Well, we're fortunate. It makes me think about that. um Have you seen the TV show Mr. Robot? No.
00:55:46
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Oh, okay. So Mr. Robot, hold on, let me see the font of Mr. Robot. Mr. and Mr. Robot, essentially, there was about some hackers. that um wanted to reset the world in a lot of ways. So what they decided to do was they did this. um I'm going to screw this all up, but for the sake of conversation, it's fine. Yeah, yeah they reset all debt. So suddenly no one had debt. All the debts were paid for. And all of them, everything with finances were reset.
00:56:29
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but and the banks lost all of their history. okay So on one hand, that seems so awesome, right? But if suddenly Since it lost all the history, let's say you know like you and I both have mortgages, unless you've paid yours off, I have a mortgage. and No, we have a mortgage. Yeah, okay. I'm just rooting for you. Oh, thanks. mike yeah um But we have a mortgage. So if you suddenly your mortgage disappears, it's just gone, the bank
00:57:01
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can't tell if you paid it off or if you went into um collections, right? They don't know. ok yeah So essentially they wiped out all debt and it's about all of the chaos that ensues. So be careful what you ask for, right? yeah um And what happens to society and to jobs and everything. And it's all about what the consequences of that whole thing are. Interesting. Yeah, it's a really it's a very dark show um because there's a lot going on, um but. It's a fascinating show and and it's a series. It's a series. Yeah, yeah, you can watch it on Amazon Prime, I think. OK, I'm going to have to look that up. Yeah, it's really it's not animated, right? No, God, no, I would never watch it. It's live action. OK, OK. Yeah, no, it's live action. um But the whole.
00:57:54
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thing is just about hackers resetting the world. And I think it all stemmed from um Anonymous. And remember, yeah, remember the Wall Street. What was that group called? The Wall Street group. um After the financial crisis in 2008, like Wall Street Bets. No, no, no, no, no. um I keep kicking my desk, by the way, and it's like shaking everything. Oh, is it.
00:58:28
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ah So there's a Wall Street group you're talking about. Yeah, yeah. Oh, occupy Wall Street. Oh, okay. you I think that's okay. Um, I think it all kind of stemmed from that concept, but anyway, you should watch it. I think you would really like it because it's, okay. It's fascinating, especially the first season when you're like, who whoa, what? Okay. Yeah. But regardless, our infrastructure is so fragile and most of us don't have a clue like the internet, the, the functioning aspects of the internet are run by volunteers.
00:59:03
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Right. And I try not to spend too much time thinking about that because that is just terrifying. Like when you start getting deep into how the Internet actually works, which I know very little about it, but yeah it's a little bizarre. scary. Yeah. And, and yet we have all of this built on top of it and it gets, it gets pretty weird to think about how fragile and just one simple thing can crash so much now in our society. And, um, yeah, Mr. Robot highly recommend it.
00:59:45
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really good show. Um, it'll make you think about things that you don't normally think about. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, I, I'm super intrigued. So I've already, um, I ordered or I ordered, I downloaded, um, purchased, I purchased, purchased on Kindle, the book that you recommended. Oh, good. Katie Jacobson. Yeah, I'm going to start reading that and then maybe um later today, i'll I'll watch the first episode. um And, you know, I'll text you and let you know. So let's talk about feedback since you bought it. Let's talk about it for just a minute. Sure.
01:00:25
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what So it's one of the most interesting books I've ever read for so many reasons. But one of them is, she is a reporter who wrote this book, I think she's a reporter, she's a journalist, and she wrote this book. But um the beginning, she wanted to understand how functionally nuclear war works, okay? And um So she started researching the technicalities of like, somebody is sending a nuclear thing at us, what happens? What happens there? What happens here? Like step by step action of how it all happens and how it's designed to happen and how our system is set up and how yeah other nation's systems are set up and all these technicalities, which is very dry, dense stuff. right But she wanted to explain the implications of it
01:01:20
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So she took all of this, um the what is it? Oh, Freedom of Information Act, right? And she interviewed a whole bunch of um military people and retired and current, and she had all this access. So she had all this really dense, dry information. So what she decided to do was in the beginning, she she talks about this dense, dry information, but then as you get into the book, she creates a fictional scenario. So it turns, it goes from a dense, dry, nonfiction book to a fictional story that is purely based upon the facts that she researched.
01:02:02
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So in order to explain how this would all happen, she creates a fictional scenario. That's why it's called nuclear war a scenario. Yeah. Because so I've never read a book like this. Yeah, um that's so interesting. And you'll be in the middle of the fictional story and it'll stop and there'll be a few pages explaining the the factual. What? Oh, behind the fictional stuff. OK, I love that already. Yeah, it's unlike anything I've ever read before. Yeah, that's the kind of, that's how my brain works. Like I love reading fiction, but if it's if it's a fiction story that's based in either scientific fact or possible scientific fact, you know, I always pause and then I'm and like, well, I want to read a little bit more about like the the reality of this, like the real science or whatever.
01:02:57
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That's exactly what this book is. It's part of it. So this is part of the book. And so I've never seen anything like it. And so it's just. yeah I can't wait for you to read it. I think you'll feel the same way I do because even if the topic is terrifying and and scary, but the structure of the book is, I've never read a book like it. the clothes i mean The only thing I could think of when you were telling me the story earlier about the um the CIA friend, FBI friend? FBI. FBI friend. And you were screenshotting that book.
01:03:30
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and I was like, OK, you've got to read this book because. Yeah. Yeah. um And and just just for everybody else, now that, you know, they're they're all like, what do you mean, CIA FBI? So there is um like we have a me and my husband have a friend who is in the FBI and she shared a book with me called Dawn of the Code War. And it is about the um cybersecurity attacks from Russia, China, all that kind of stuff. Super, super interesting. But it's a very dense book. um It's it's nonfiction. Like this is real. This is what happened. It is declassified information. So that's why a book was able to be written about it. But it's incredibly fascinating to read.
01:04:17
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you know, essentially how antiquated like our U.S. government systems are compared to oh other countries. Why do you read this? Yeah. And how easy or not even easy because there's a difference between easy and simple. Right. But like how simple it is to just be like, oh, well, we're going to create this cyber attack and let's see what happens, you know. Yeah. and And it's attacking like U.S. based companies, infrastructure and things like that. So very, very interesting. But what I would what I was doing was um I would read like a couple of pages and then I would take a picture of the page or like it I take a picture of the page, I text it to her with like my scribble on the picture like saying WTF or yeah, like my little comments.
01:05:14
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So let me let me ask you a question, yeah. Let's imagine that a, let's say China, don't mean to pick on China, but look just for the sake of conversation, because of where they're geographically located, side decides to send a nuclear warhead towards the United States, okay? okay What is your first thought? Do you think to yourself, oh, we'll just shoot it down? because that's what I used to think. I thought we could just shoot them down. I was going to say that wasn't what I first thought. Yeah. But you're right. That would have been my first thought in the past. Yeah, yeah. Honestly, you know what my first thought was? What? Is it really from China? That's a fair thought, by the way. You'll learn that in this book. Oh, OK. Yeah.
01:06:12
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I thought we had this star missile thing that we had been working on all these years where we could shoot things down. Yeah. But it turns out it doesn't work very well because if you envision, if you have a bullet and then you have a bullet, so this bullet's going and then you got to try to shoot this bullet with this bullet. Apparently, that doesn't work out so well. Yeah. Ever, statistically speaking. um So it doesn't really work. We just keep trying to develop it. Also, when you send a missile, we don't, as humans, have the technology to turn it around. So once it's launched, it's launched. That's the end of that story. Yeah, yeah.
01:07:05
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Well, and and the movies, so science fiction movies or not even science fiction movies, just movies in general, you know, um they have lulled us into a false sense of technology, really, because we see these, you know, anti-missile aircrafts with anti-missile missiles, right? Yeah, exactly. And we're thinking, we're thinking, oh, yeah, so that stuff totally exists. And it's like you have to remember And maybe an iteration of it exists, but it's not like what the movies show. Right. No. You know, like a lot of them, a lot of them are heat signatures. Like they're looking for specific heat signatures. Well, what if there's a friggin bird that has the same heat signature? It's going to go after the bird instead and of the missile, you know? um and I mean, that's a
01:08:00
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very broad and inaccurate analogy, but I'm just saying like that's the kind of explanation that in my head, I have to remind myself. Movies are not reality. Even though they they feel like it, though, believe, yeah, that that is the reality, but it's not. Right. It it. It's I can't stop thinking about it. um I was trying to look up, I think a this book um is all about the first like 20 minutes or something.
01:08:42
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OK, I'm so sorry. 72 minutes, the first 72 minutes after the first missile launches. OK, OK. So the whole book is just about 72 minutes. That's insane. OK. And spoiler alert at the end of selling the book, by the way. Yeah. Spoiler alert. After 72 minutes, there is no humanity left. There is no continuation. Yeah. No. I mean, I would have figured. Yeah. It's crazy. Man. Well, so the last book I read, just to kind of go on a segue here, the last book I read was Project Hail Mary. Oh, what's that? By Andy Weir. So it's, it's, it's a fiction book. You know, it's the same author that wrote. So is this, this is fiction too. Okay. Not really. Yeah.
01:09:30
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yeah But um it's it's the same author that wrote The Martian, which the movie is based off of. I don't know if you watched the Matt Damon movie. I feel like I did. I think I did. like so His name is Mark Watney. He gets stuck on Mars. Yes. so Yes, that's right. Yes. okay Yes. so so the the book Project Hail Mary is the same author and it's the same kind of humor. And um like it is so interesting. As I'm reading it, I forget that it's a fiction story because like I'm reading it as if, oh, this is, this is like, this science is real. This, um,
01:10:13
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global concern is real. um The science behind it, like the scientific reasonings are real. Like I'm reading it and i I'm just accepting it like, yeah, no, this is totally legit. But it's a sci-fi book, you know, and I'm like, well, I mean, a lot of it's based in either reality or potential reality. Yeah, yeah. Well, and and that's what makes things like, you know, Star Trek so interesting is because like the there's there's a whole like cult following of people who have shown, like they've shown the direct um links between things shown in Star Trek and like technology and reality now. It's like, look, Star Trek talked about this back in the sixties and then look at us now in the 2020s.
01:11:08
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Yeah, so um I'm starving because I waited to have lunch. I haven't had lunch yet. Um, okay. Yeah. So I should probably go do that. Yeah, absolutely. Go eat. And then, um, we'll, we'll continue this type of conversation. Cause I think the crowd strike thing is, is, is a very interesting, intriguing current event that, you know, staying on top of it and, and just kind of going through the discussion of, um, like how it is affecting everything, not just in the U S but worldwide, like.
01:11:46
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I think it's an important discussion to have. It's important. I think so. yeah Yeah, I think there's so much right now in technology that's so important. Yeah. um well Thanks for listening, everyone. We'll catch you next time.