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Andy REACTS to Phil Spencer interview - Add to Party 05.10.2023
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This week we discuss Phil Spencer's interview on the Xcast podcast and Nintendo printing money even before TOTK
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Andy's Video Essay Journey
00:00:14
Speaker
Welcome to Add to Party, a friendship simulator masquerading as a new show. I'm your host, James Hartwell, and I'm joined by Charles Yamat, and I'm joined by Andy Kane.
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budding essay journalist. I'm sorry. That's right. That's right. One hour plus videos. That is what we, we said Andy needs to do to become a video essayist. Listen, dear listeners and are we live streaming right now?
00:00:44
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. And current watchers, it was proposed to me that I could be a video essayist and do better at least than Sunny V2, who's the trash that said that their friend who came out as trans is going to ruin Mr. Beast's career. And it's like, OK, OK, that deserved an hour. I can fill an hour with better content. But I don't know what I would be a video essayist of.
00:01:13
Speaker
I like the video essays on leftist politics and Kirby Kirby Forgotten Kingdoms is a capitalism. Oh, my God. Yeah, I could make a comrade Kirby video. There you go. OK, but we're going to follow the video essay formula for you guys.
00:01:36
Speaker
Formulist, formula. We're gonna need, hmm, we need interesting set pieces, okay? So I'm gonna have to, hmm, hmm. I don't know. Do I like, am I candid and just film in my apartment? Or do I just do random shots of myself in the park with my hair flying everywhere? Do I go in front of random pieces of art that I find interesting but no one else will?
00:02:04
Speaker
I mean, you don't have to insert yourself into it. Most of the lore videos I watch, I don't know what the person looks like. Oh, if I'm a video essayist, you're looking at me. This is about a human connection. I'm talking about real things. You could also become a YouTube reaction star.
MILF Manor and Reality TV Culture
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Why watch you like put clips of like mille file end up and react to it? Mille mille manner James, please I honestly don't know I Wouldn't want to you know, I'm very lazy at telling making me Google this Charles. I hate you. It's mille manner James There's a mille
00:02:49
Speaker
Is it the sequel to Milk Matter? Yeah. No, it's an episode of 30 Rock. No, no, no. OK. It's Milk Matter. Oh, God. Don't tell me. Don't tell me there's two separate TV shows that would just milf in the title. Yeah. Oh, it's by the way, we're not talking about porn. There's a.
00:03:15
Speaker
These are reality TV shows. Yeah. In which mothers and their sons are in a dating reality show, but they're not supposed to date each other. Just to be clear, not supposed to.
00:03:30
Speaker
God, but God, those producers across in there. Yeah. Yeah. And it is supposedly a surprise. The sons and their mothers did not know that. Why do you know so much about this? Because did you not see? Twitch reactors blew up when Milf Manor came out. Oh, yeah. Yeah. OK. OK. I just want to make sure that's also why you know.
00:03:55
Speaker
Well, listen, I it was a big enough pitch that I would have been like, you know what? I do want to see the first episode. I need to see the reactions of these people. I won't judge. But it's not. I don't have a streaming service. Well, actually, I think I did find a way thanks to one of my best friends. And unfortunately, I'm too lazy to log back in to to watch the stream. That is tough. Yeah. Yeah.
00:04:23
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Uh, but I couldn't, I couldn't even watch the reactions for it. It's so disgusting. I cringe so hard when I heard about it. It's so uncomfortable. It's crazy. It's crazy. I can't believe, uh, I, you know, I was thinking, I was like, when it, where's the bottom? Where's our bottom? I don't know.
00:04:42
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I feel like we're nearing it. We're short of having to go back even further. Mr. B's video where the contestants are competing to not get kicked out of their house.
00:05:01
Speaker
We're doing a South Park episode already? Didn't South Park do that already? I mean, they must though, right? Made fun of like reality shows for basically- Or like Mr. Beast stuff. Like if you stay in this circle, you can get the kidney. You need to live or something like that. Yeah. Which, hold on, I'm not necessarily shitting on Mr. Beast.
00:05:26
Speaker
It's a natural progression of work that's going to go someday, but I don't harbor any ill will towards Mr. Beast. Jimmy, Jimmy, as I call him. Yeah, Mr. Beast. Yeah. And I guess to give some context of that, recent videos of Mr. Beast has been him
00:05:45
Speaker
game-ifying, not necessarily game-ifying, but basically being a philanthropist and doing what our health insurance doesn't and paying for either procedures for people to be able to see or devices to help people to be able to hear. And it's interesting. It's interesting. But right now, 10,000 people more can see and 10,000 more people can hear. So God bless you, Jimmy.
00:06:14
Speaker
And thanks for buying one of them as water ski and another of them taking them to target for a shopping spree of toys and all of these different things. I mean, OK, here's here's my actual.
00:06:32
Speaker
barometer of whether or not a contest is, you know, made from good people, whether or not they also pay for the taxes of their gifts.
00:06:46
Speaker
Like, so if Mr. Beast said, also we paid for the taxes because they're written off as additional income for helping these procedures. I'd be like, there you go. Now that's a guy. What a man. Oh, I was laughing because I turned on the Mr. Beast video. And when the people start being able to hear, it's like a Bluetooth thing. Yep. Yep.
00:07:10
Speaker
Literally, listeners at home, when they can start to hear, it shows a toggle icon on screen, like your phone, and it toggles when they can start to hear. I mean, that's just good editing. I mean, I'm not even mad about it. Although, look, I would be very clear, the thumbnail upsets me, but YouTube thumbnails upset me in general.
00:07:33
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Yeah. I mean, again, right? This is the, this is part of the algorithm. Apparently, thumbnails like this and the style of editing like those is attractive for the most amount of people.
00:07:46
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A hundred million. 39 million views. In just like three days,
YouTube Culture: Addiction and Discovery
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right? Oh, no, I'm sorry. 41 million. That's for the seeing one. For the hearing one, which came out three days ago, he's already at 41 million views. Oh, my gosh. Think about some of the best YouTube videos you've ever seen. And then also think how rare it is for their view counts, like how high it would be. Where's Gungum Style at these days?
00:08:16
Speaker
Wasn't it? It got. Yeah, it got supplanted by something else, wasn't it? We're at four point seven billion views on Gangnam Style. Wasn't that good.
00:08:30
Speaker
It was an international hit, Andy. I guess. Billions of views, you guys. Also, he's an Asian guy that is not conventionally handsome. I got, you know, as a minority, I feel like I have to be defensive for everything. Just like, as long as he's not white, I have to be like, hey, you know what, guys, we got to support you. You know, here's the thing I love too on videos that are like,
00:08:57
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over five years old, seeing that there are people still commenting as of even seven minutes ago. Oh my god. I do that for music videos, like our, um, and like old performances of like concerts. I just look and there's always somebody to like come back to this every month. Oh, it really sends me. I'm like, yeah.
00:09:20
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Andy, remember that one live performance of Simple and Clean by Utada that we watched once? I think so. Yeah. And like there's a cut of that guy really feeling himself while singing along. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I watched that again. And I went, man, what a good concert concert. What a good song. This is the current baby shark. Yeah, it makes sense. Wait, baby shark. How many views is that at? Twelve billion, Andy.
00:09:49
Speaker
Well, that's now now. Now, James, do me a favor and not finish playing it because I've actually never seen the video. Oh, I've never seen it either. Nor have I. Well, I know the song mostly because of Ted Lasso. Jamie Tarte. But that's fair. All right. Back to the original point of becoming a video essay.
00:10:15
Speaker
Andy, I want to tell you, this has been my note. Maybe you need to find the new niche of video essayists. And this is something I've been watching lately. It's all the lore to sleep to. It's like a mix of ASMR and video essay.
00:10:31
Speaker
You know, I got recommended something like this, too. Like lore videos to sleep to. Yeah. Interesting. It might have been this, too, actually. So what is it? I did not click on it. I mean, it's just a very soothing voice. It's very even toned. Sure. It has good soothing music in the background. So there's nothing like attention getting, right? Yeah. But it's just it's just a nice constant flow of information. And what have you learned?
00:11:01
Speaker
I mean, I knew most of it already. I was just going to I wanted to call you up for being a fake fan. You didn't know that about Zelda lore. Yeah, I know most of everything about Zelda. Sadly, sadly, if you know that's upsetting that chicken with the human. Oh, yeah. Yeah, those chickens are Twilight Princess are very weird and they talk to you. Oops. Yeah, that's worse. That's my. Yeah, they they speak. They speak highly and only.
00:11:31
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Charles, can I make it even worse for you? You're finding its children.
00:11:36
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What does that mean? Yeah. So the, that, the one he picked up, that's one of its kids. The one you talk to is like the mother. Oh, so it's bigger. Yeah. Is this still the same with the chicken with the saggy boobs? Yes. Okay. Okay. There's just a bigger one. I thought, please save your comments for MILF manner.
00:12:02
Speaker
Listen, these are my hot take. Andy, I honestly, maybe a video essay isn't for you. And by the way, we have two stories today, so we're going to vamp like hell. Yeah. But I think, yeah, no. YouTube reactor, though, Andy, that's actually no. No, you're a hot take machine, Andy. That is literally the only thing I've told Google not to recommend to me.
00:12:28
Speaker
Well, that's perfect. And that way you're not you can be your own man and do it. It just feels so patronizing. Well, a lot of the times it's like music, famous music producer reacts to Aerith's theme and then it's just like them like looking super surprised. And it's just like.
00:12:47
Speaker
This is like, why do I want validation from a stranger? Like, I know he's lying or overreacting. And it's just like, it's just weird. It just feels weird. That's not helping me grow. I mean, here's the thing, Eddie, you don't have to do like that thing. It's you can be like, um,
00:13:09
Speaker
My partner introduced me to a category of YouTube creators. I like to call soft boys, just very non-threatening white boys that, you know, react to things. No.
00:13:23
Speaker
Yeah. See, this is the thing, right? He's six million subscribers. His videos get 6.6 million views. You've never fucking heard of him. Yeah. I've never heard of him. He's just, he like, he's very funny to be clear. I, I, I do. Yeah. I didn't hear your name. He's funny. Oh, you like Danny Gonzalez. Oh, you know the Danny Gonzalez. Yeah. Yeah. You could be like a Danny Gonzalez, Sandy. Okay. I don't know if I could be that clever.
00:13:50
Speaker
But then again, you've been doing it for a while. So these are the soft boys. Yeah, these are the soft boys. Trying to think what the other ones are. I think Curtis Connor is another one. Curtis Connor is fun. I know him. Do you know Chad Chad?
00:14:04
Speaker
I know Chad Chad, yes. Chad Chad's fun. Chad Chad isn't a soft boy though. She's a girl, so she can't be a soft boy. But really what I consider these videos, listeners at home, there's like I found that there's a category of where people react to TikToks.
00:14:23
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and other like memes floating around the Internet. And so they'll like kind of like summarize these memes to you and then react. And a lot of them have leftist slants to them, which I like. So I think that's how they wound up in my algorithm, because a lot of them were like criticizing the manosphere when that was a big thing, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But they're interesting and they're fun. And Chad's talking about Digimon. Hey, guys, remember Digimon?
00:14:53
Speaker
Yeah. Well, that's Curtis Conner. He collects Digimon trading cards and actually had a very interesting video. This is actually the one that I'm playing right now, which is about him trying to find like the series sick Digimon battle cards or whatever, which are like incredibly rare. To be clear, I make fun of them and I call them the soft boys. They're still pretty entertaining. They're interesting.
00:15:17
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Also, Jenna Marbles, God rest her soul. She's not dead. She was like one of the first people, I think, or at least like one of the first big people start doing TikTok reacts, I think. Oh, I'm, you know, I definitely I like the story of Jenna Marbles in the sense of.
00:15:38
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listeners if you don't know what happened with her. She was a YouTube content creator. She was in a couple other platforms too. She had made some problematic videos a while ago and then when things came out later on.
00:15:55
Speaker
They weren't so offensive, they were loosely offensive. And not to completely justify it, but that's just what YouTube was at the time. Yeah, exactly, right? It was. It was, that's just what YouTube. Yeah, I would liken it to our high school humor when we didn't know better. Yeah, it's like edgy high school humor.
00:16:18
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And then now as we're adults, we go, you know what? That was pretty stupid. Yeah, I probably should have said those things. Yeah, probably. Right. Benefit for us is they weren't on YouTube videos with hundreds of billions of views. Yeah. And and she also did not does not stand for it either. And she publicly apologized and then also just said, I'm done. I quit. And she left.
00:16:44
Speaker
And then seemingly lives a happy life. I'd heard one time that she got married. Aw. And then, yeah. So I was swearing that she got pregnant and that was the reason she left, because it's like you do not want to be pregnant while in the middle of YouTube. But no, doesn't seem like it. So I thought she just got canceled hard and then she was sick of it and left. I mean, both. Right. I mean, like the releasing.
00:17:13
Speaker
But she like took a ownership, which was the weird thing, right? She's like, yeah, I did this and I'm sorry. I don't know. I'm not too familiar. So I don't I shouldn't summarize. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. Charles, you know, Jarvis Johnson. I do know Jarvis Johnson. I like so I'll give my anyhow. This is like another fun joke about like YouTube and content creation. Right. Again, these are all very popular people with millions and millions of views in the class. He fought Aaron from Game Grumps.
00:17:42
Speaker
Oh, really? That was that this year's this year's. Yeah. I am. I honestly didn't care to watch it. Oh, but I just lost enough. He's big enough to be in there. That's I guess my point. Yeah. So so like, yeah, my thing about React content and everything else comes from live streaming and Twitch. Sure. And so and to be honest with you, they do overlap.
00:18:11
Speaker
uh in um in spears but like if if somebody didn't just go and outright mention somebody it was uh i just don't know about them and it's weird that it happens like that but i'm just like um just like a couple years ago when james andy and i were at packs east and there was a giant line for somebody in the hallways and they were like what's that line for and then somebody said yep somebody said
00:18:40
Speaker
Markiplier's over there and all of us went, who the fuck is Markiplier? We weren't Minecraft kids. We didn't know. Actually, I was thinking, I think I think I knew who Markiplier was. I just didn't care. I didn't watch his content. Like I had heard the name before and I still did not know just how popular he was. Yeah.
00:19:04
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And seemingly Markiplier seems like a reasonable person from other things I've seen him in. Yeah. Andy, when do you have time to watch all this content? I didn't know you were such a big YouTuber fan. You didn't? No. Oh, James, this is the problem of my life. When I complain about, oh, I don't play video games.
00:19:27
Speaker
Oh, I just don't do anything. It's because you're watching fucking Eddie Burback and here's the thing. Here's the thing. You are so close right now to leftist YouTube. You're so close. The algorithm is going to suck you in James. Oh no, don't worry. I don't get there.
00:19:47
Speaker
Yeah, that's what takes up my time. Listen, the likes of like ContraPoints, FD signifier, Big Joel. Okay, there's, um, what, who's the new one? Noah Samson, I know has been on the scene recently.
00:20:03
Speaker
Um, H bomber guy, he's one of the OG. There's like, you just get so you're so hooked in on these. I don't know any of these. Listen, join leftist YouTube, James. It's so dangerous. YouTube has learned to not recommend anything to me that is in a lore video. Like it's like he likes the creators he likes and he likes the property he likes. So I'm just going to not bother.
00:20:27
Speaker
Yep, that's my YouTube too. Because I always vehemently press do not recommend on my home for anything that isn't something I'm already subscribed to.
00:20:38
Speaker
Like I want my home page on YouTube to recommend me old videos of the people I subscribe to That's like that's what I want I don't want to see new people or or if the people I like did a collab with someone else I'll allow it. I'll be a son of a bitch I just clicked my home and I see an Eddie Burbank video. Oh, it's listening channel
00:21:03
Speaker
Also, thank you, chatter. Reaction videos do take a lot of research, okay? It does. Nobody's saying they don't. Oh, you were just deriding them so, or maybe I was, I don't know. Oh my god, Eddie Burbank is on my homepage. Wow, that's so impressive. I didn't even say Eddie. You said Eddie.
00:21:29
Speaker
Yeah. Wait, my phone's not even in this room. Did my phone in the other room here, Eddie? Listeners. Oh my God. Go to YouTube right now and press your homepage. Have we been hit? This goes all the way to the top.
00:21:48
Speaker
I'm genuinely freaked out right now. Oh my god. I've never even heard of him before. Charles, was the video the death of late night TV for you? Uh, I don't know. It's, uh, I don't- Am I holding roses? Do you remember? Uh, maybe. Yeah, yeah, I think so. Honestly, honestly, if you're gonna watch one, watch the one where he goes to every rainforest cafe in America. Wait a minute. I think I heard somebody doing that. Yeah, that's it. Is that him? Yeah. I, um, this is...
00:22:16
Speaker
Listen, if there's ever been a case that you're being listened to. Yeah. Well, I guess I have Google Home also. Maybe that's. That's true. Yeah. Yeah. Google Home is listening. Oh, my God. I'm like.
00:22:29
Speaker
Oh, okay. I mean, if Eddie's good, I don't know. But well, here's here's the whole thing. And I keep saying it over and over and over. I never do anything because of course I don't. But like I want to do a mass purge of all my YouTube. I want to try. I want to stop watching YouTube. I tried uninstalling it for my phone. You cannot. Why not get rid of it? Why do you want to stop watching YouTube? What else is there to watch so much of my time?
00:22:54
Speaker
I'd rather be watching anime playing video games or working on my model kits. But instead, I rewatch video essays about, I don't know, something wrong with the world. And they still, I appreciate what they bring into my life. They're still good. I'm a better person for knowing that stuff and hearing those perspectives. But I don't need to keep rewatching them. I don't know what it is. It's just...
00:23:20
Speaker
I don't know. They just tickle my brain. It's it's just so easy to fall into. YouTube has a firm grip on my life and even more so now, because did you hear that they got the NFL Sunday ticket package now? NFL who the Sunday ticket does you tell like all that thing that that's still like that. You get every game. Yeah. Yeah. And the red zone where it just shows you all the touchdowns. Yes. Yeah.
00:23:48
Speaker
I was like, God damn it, YouTube. I don't get it. Just mainline everything into my veins. It's all on there for free. Oh, God, no. You have to pay four hundred dollars for the. Why? Yeah. But it's just on YouTube. Yes. Oh, you know what, though? YouTube ever never advertised that to me. So I guess they fucking know. Yeah, they know.
00:24:17
Speaker
Who's this soft boy? And so if you don't, if you don't get YouTube TV, which I don't have, and I'm not getting, um, you have to pay for the season.
The Cost of Football Fandom
00:24:27
Speaker
Oh my God. And that's with the hundred dollar inaugural discount that ends on June 6th. Oh, that's so much money. Well, before the only way to get it was to install a direct TV. And so, you know what?
00:24:42
Speaker
If people care that well, I guess they do care that much. Yeah, that's Andy. They care a lot. So how many footballs do you watch? How many footballs? Okay, shut up. I came out wrong. Oh man.
00:24:57
Speaker
Let's do the math. I wish this was to Andy's like, like future son, as the son is like into sports and Andy just talks. How many footballs do you watch? He says. Okay. I'm, I'm, I'm Andy, the big football fan. And I'm going to watch on Sunday, right? I watch on Sundays. Uh, Thursday, Thursday, Sunday, and Monday are
00:25:26
Speaker
I watch on, well, Thursdays, I don't know if I can watch every Thursday. Well, Sundays, I don't know if I can watch if it's at night. It's one game. It's one game Thursday night. There's the there's only one game Sunday night. That game's usually at like. But wait, the ticket, though, the ticket lets me watch it live. Yes. And you can rewatch it, I believe, whenever you want as well. OK, OK. So let's say I watch it on Sunday and then Monday. It's on two nights in a row.
00:25:55
Speaker
That's a commitment. And how many how many weeks is football on? Football is 17 weeks, Sandy. Jesus Christ. You don't get bored. OK. Three eighty nine.
00:26:10
Speaker
Actually, Andy, here's the thing. I do get bored, and that's what Red Zone is for. Okay, that's fair. Remember Red Zone when we were watching it in Hawaii? I think so. Is that the one where you looked like you were in a security room spying on you? Yeah, and they had all the screens up, yeah. Okay, okay.
00:26:26
Speaker
Now, here's the thing, okay, I am a football fan and I am watching once a week, a nice night, maybe with friends. It is $22 per viewing. And that's about a three or four hour experience, right? Yeah, it's two and a half. Okay, let's divide that by, oh wait, crap, what do I do? I do times maybe? No.
00:26:55
Speaker
No, divided by two. OK, so it's about like 10 bucks an hour, maybe a little less than 10 bucks an hour. Mm hmm. Would I do I get enough joy to spend 10 dollars an hour? And that's only for one nice evening. Now, Andy, I mean, Sunday's all day, but yes. Oh, OK. Andy. Yeah, I do say that that line of thinking of trying to get to that like
00:27:24
Speaker
Uh, understanding of how much money equals to joy is, uh, is inconsistent measure. Why? Because if you watch a movie, you said you could be like $15 or 15 to $20 for two hours of entertainment, right? $10 per hour.
00:27:46
Speaker
But a video game is especially the type of games we play are longer than $10 per hour. It's true. And then we go, should we pay more money for all of our entertainment? I don't know. It's not apples to apples, right? There are different types of experiences. And especially like with a movement. And that's what I'm saying. And the dollar is crafting. And the strike, pay the writers. Yeah. Yeah, pay writers.
00:28:14
Speaker
four-day streaming royalties that you're not currently doing, you monsters. But that's what I'm saying, Andy. There's an inconsistency in payments for things. So I would think it might be hard to try to measure that from using one thing you currently like. I guess in my brain, I kind of separate them. I don't mind valuing them differently.
00:28:38
Speaker
But for this, I would say for $11 an hour of football, and I guess I like football. That math's also wrong because it's eight hours on Sunday. No one's watching all eight hours. I do, Andy. Most Sundays in fall, I do watch all eight hours. Let's talk about the hidden costs, OK?
00:29:02
Speaker
Because family religion. Because if I'm watching eight hours, I'm going to need maybe two beers an hour. I don't have that problem, but that's OK. I don't drink. I'm not drinking PBRs. OK, I'm too old for that. So now, oh, my God, I have to drink 16 beers on Sunday. And Charles Charles, the operative word of acceptance, I have to.
00:29:32
Speaker
This is real, let's, okay, maybe it's on a curve. I'm gonna drink less over the day. So let's round down to maybe 10 or 11. Maybe I'll switch to wine.
00:29:43
Speaker
But we're going to have to factor in alcohol and then you're also going to need a beer cheese. OK, I'm going to need to dip my pretzels in something. It's the game, you guys. And what else during the game? Well, Andy, remember, you're not watching one game. You're watching like a game at once. Oh, this sounds exhausting. It's fun. I like it. Well, I'm sorry. I don't want to take that away from you. I watch people talk about the world burning down and think it's fun. So I shouldn't be judging this.
00:30:12
Speaker
I watch 20-year-old millionaires destroy their bodies for my pleasure. You know what? That's very fair. That's very fair. So really, all eight hours, James. Most Sundays, yeah. How engaging is it? Tell me about this. Are you playing Genshin Impact?
00:30:27
Speaker
Oh, I mean, yeah, I know. I mean, a lot of times I will be doing I will be playing a video game at the same time. And then, you know, it's you know, I'll kind of pause when like something big is happening or something like that. But yeah, it's like, you know, it's it's just kind of it's great background noise for my day. And it's like I get to kind of enjoy it and watch the games. You know, sometimes games get really close. You get really interested in for a while and then they're boring and you go do something else. OK, so it's not nonstop fun.
00:30:58
Speaker
It's consistent. I will say consistent is maybe a better way to describe it. You just messed up the equation. Oh, I know. Because we got our factor in food, alcohol, and now inconsiderate. I really, that's, it's not, I'm not having a tailgate party every Sunday. It's the big game. That's the super bowl you roll.
00:31:23
Speaker
Well, it's the game. Did you catch the game? Which one's the game? Are you talking about the Sunday game? I can't tell if he's joking or not. No, I'm not. Because people at work say, did you see the game? Or is it relative to the day of the week? So at work, they're talking about your local team, which I would assume is the Packers. Oh, OK, so it's only local.
00:31:51
Speaker
No, it's it's every game. Do I get a Packers game every Sunday? Or a Brewers game. Or Brewers. Oh god. Almost. Almost. You don't get it every Sunday because they could potentially play on Thursday or Monday night. But once a week you will get a Packers game outside of their one bye week a year where they take a rest week. Aw, that's nice they get a break.
00:32:14
Speaker
Yeah, that's it. My trick to keeping up with that was let somebody else come up and bring it up first. And then I take whatever they said and I say to the next person. Oh, I was gonna say, Charles, because you don't care. No. How do you keep up? Seattle's very big into football, too, which is annoying. Yeah, yep, yep.
00:32:33
Speaker
Oh, I don't. I don't have to remember. You take it and pass it along. OK. I mean, listen, for the longest time, I too shunned the sports ball. And I said, that's not for me. I'm a nerd. I like video games and anime. But then I got into gambling. Let me tell you. Oh, sweet, sweet lady dopamine that made this so much better.
00:32:58
Speaker
And that's, and that's, uh, you know, I flirt with gambling with my gacha, uh, and chance, but I, I, I've not crossed the line. It's a, it's a straw. It's a very distressing line if I were to ever cross it. So we won't. Are all my sports books in Washington yet? Actually, I believe so. Okay. Um, if not now, it will be soon. I'm sure it will. Yeah. Um, another hitting cost of the sun NFL Sunday ticket. Oh my God. All right.
00:33:29
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We vamp for half an hour. We have two stories. Let's talk about that thing we actually foreshadowed last week. I don't even remember anymore.
The Gaming Industry Landscape
00:33:43
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Because last week when we were talking about Redfall, we brought up
00:33:52
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on your side, because you are very sad about how Phil Spencer, if there's another failure coming up, if there is one, how long before he keeps his job. And then funnily enough, one of our favorite other podcasts, Kind of Funny, was one of the first people that got to do an interview with Phil Spencer since all this stuff has happened. And a lot of news came out of it.
00:34:17
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Yep. Did they just jerk them off? Like what happened? No, they did. I honestly recommend you go to listen to it. It's such a good. Yeah. Such a good one on one. Well, now one, one on three. So, so Phil was supposed to go on the Xcast podcast, Xcast podcast, which is the kind of funny Xbox specific podcast, which then you'd think, oh, it's,
00:34:43
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You know, a fandom podcast, of course, they're going to like Andy said, jerk them off about it. But no, I mean, outside of the host, um, Mike Howard, snow bike, Mike, who is just the bright signing, a shining son of positivity and everything you did, although he did do a great job to not take away too much from. You also have a Gary Whitta, who is just the meanest British man you've ever met in your life. And. Yeah.
00:35:08
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And then I forgot what Paris's last name is. Lily. Paris Lily, who is I don't I don't I don't really know how to describe Paris like so much, but just like he's a very no nonsense like to the point kind of guy like he doesn't mince words. Yeah, one of the one of the jokes that Mike does when he introduces the show is that he has it's him and his two gaming dads because both Gary Witte and Paris Lily are older and are
00:35:38
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our fathers to kids. And they definitely have like a dad voice when they're talking. Yeah.
00:35:46
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Um, and so Phil is supposed to come on. This was all scheduled. Um, I think for way in advance, way in advance, way before red fall reviews came out and everything like that. And, you know, I think the reviews came out and internally kind of funny. It was like, well, this interview has not happened. Um, but he feels like, no, I'll come on. And to his credit, like came on and took some fucking hard questions from the, uh, the X cast team there. Um,
00:36:16
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So, you know, obviously we talked about Redfall. One of the things, you know, Redfall still getting shit on. There was a report today that there's like less people playing Borderlands 2 on Steam. There's more people playing Borderlands 2 on Steam than playing Redfall right now. But to be fair, if you're playing on PC, you're probably playing on Game Pass. So you didn't buy it. Actually, that's a very good point. Thanks for calling that out. But it's still not a great thing. You know what I mean? Not great.
00:36:34
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Thank you.
00:36:47
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And we shadow red for last week, but you know, Phil came out and kind of talked about it being like, um, a lot of key points. One of which is they didn't know it was going to be reviewed this badly. Um, if they did like mock internal reviews and they had it like double digits higher. Um, and he said it that way, but you know, 10 is still double digits, right? So yeah.
00:37:11
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You know, if like it scored a 62, I don't know where it's currently at an open critic, but it's in the low sixties. Like, you know, if it went up 10 points to 72, like you could see how maybe they made that assumption or something like that. Like it was a low to mid seventies game as opposed to a low to mid sixties game. Um, so they didn't realize it was going to like be that bad when they released it.
00:37:34
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And just also like being very honest about, hey, you know, Redfall was in, you know, it was decently along when they acquired Bethesda and they're like, we should have done a better job of supporting them.
00:37:48
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Like, and that's a, that's a very like take it on the chin kind of thing to say, or just like, you know, we failed, right? Like not the team failed or anything like that. Cause it's so easy to throw them under the bus. Like you can, we've talked about Phil being mad at, um, main Bethesda about how like these star field delays are getting a little out of hand.
00:38:10
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Um, but like to go out there and be like, no, I mean like this, we should have been more for them there instead of just being like, Hey, you got it. You go finish your game and then done the next one. We'll work with you. And he's like, this is, that was not the move to make. Yeah. Yeah. I think one of the comments he also made was like, um,
00:38:30
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You know, they probably they they didn't communicate enough with the teens on like what it means to be published under Xbox, like as an Xbox first party game. Sure. And like, you know, what expectations would be and all this other stuff, because.
00:38:46
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Yeah, I mean, again, it also comes with that whole thing. The interview has so much good insights on like how Xbox did business and how they see things. And I'm sure we'll keep talking more about it. But like that one was very interesting where they were just like, listen,
00:39:03
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We barely paid attention to the games that were in good development. Like we, you know, we just, we, we kept that hands off, but all the ones that were in early development, we definitely have been, have more hands on with, which he mentioned specifically Starfield was in earlier development than Redfall was. So we focused on Starfield, you know, or whatever.
00:39:25
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Not gonna lie, I would have thought, honestly, and like when they bought the studios too, I was thinking like, oh, if they're hands off, if they let them do their own thing, it's gonna turn out okay. And it looks like it doesn't.
00:39:43
Speaker
I don't know what that means because these were successful studios before. They were doing really good stuff. So I don't know where the problems happen. Does Microsoft need to be more involved? Why does giving someone creative control not end up being successful? I don't know. It's just like it's opening this world of logistics that I do not understand. I know I think it wasn't easy, but...
00:40:08
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I think Charles's point that he like that he just brought up about what Phil said was like, it's it means a different thing to be a first party studio as opposed to it, which is like, hey, you know, you're a third party studio. You have your hits and misses, right? Sure. When.
00:40:25
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Like when Sony release days gone and it didn't do well, everyone piled on them. Right. That's fair. And it wasn't bad. And it wasn't even that bad. Yeah, exactly. So it's kind of this thing of like you are now representing our brand. Right. Like this game, like Redfall, you know, it's it's we can't just necessarily think about them as games. We have to think about them as representing the brand of Xbox. Sure.
00:40:54
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Um, and I, we think we talked a little bit about that last week too, about how far does good will get you right with bad games. Um, and, and that's that kind of thing is like, you have to build a brand of excellence from your first party studios and then third party studios can kind of come in and be like, Oh, you know, this is great or something like that. But.
00:41:15
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It's I think they were still working in a third party developer mindset, which makes perfect sense why they would because Microsoft went keep doing what you're doing. Yeah. But but I think, you know, this this was part of Xbox is like we're going to build a first party studio stable. And this is still going. We did not.
00:41:35
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We, we got all these studios, but we didn't know how to make it into like a real game studio. Yeah. Like for, for 2020, the 2023 or whatever, you know, essentially. That's super interesting. I honestly thought letting a studio do what it does best, what it means, it just turns out great. But that was naive. Obviously it was naive. I don't know how this crap works.
00:41:58
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Well, I mean, but that was also a key indicator, a key difference to Andy, which is, um, Arkane has never made a game like Redfall before. That's a very good point. Uh, that it was them trying out something different. So, um, their experience, it wasn't necessarily there on that section.
00:42:19
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What I read is that it was a reaction to prey not doing well. I don't know if that's speculation, right? But, you know, it is a prey. Did it do great? And we've we've talked about that like that. Huh? That was more marketing, isn't it? Yeah. Well, as we talked about, it was the marketing. It's like everyone's just why the fuck did we call it prey? It reviewed very well. I should say when it didn't do well, it means sales.
00:42:44
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Yeah, it's like a cult classic at this point. Yeah. Yeah. And then it's like, we'll do the same thing. Do what everybody wants. Right. It's the looter shooter, blah, blah, blah, that we're all looking forward to. Guardians of the Galaxy or whatever that game is. Oh, no. What's the game they delayed because it has suicide squad, suicide squad, suicide squad. It sounded like they were trying to do a suicide squad and it just fell flat.
00:43:11
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like you can't like that's not where they're I don't know I don't know you guys I don't know it sucks though but that's interesting that Phil went on this um I don't know took his lumps he took his lumps but like big whoop it's like okay this isn't the first time this happened though right Phil
00:43:33
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Yeah, it's not the first time, but I also think this is the first time to come out and be like, here's the ways we, it's not like, I think Charles and I talked about last week. Oh, we're going to support the game. You know, the, you know, obviously this game isn't where we want it to be. And you know, we'll, we'll continue to support it. And he did, you know,
00:43:50
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bring out those, those, uh, those favorite ones. Yeah. But he also, I mean, like to come out and be like, no, here's specifically where our failures are. Right. Is a kind of honesty you don't usually get. And especially from like the head. Yeah.
00:44:06
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And there's even, and there's more from the interview, like, um, um, so like Andy, Paris in the interview on his turn at asking questions was just like, Hey, last year you sent out, you know, you displayed a slide that was just like, these are, here's all the games coming out in the next 12 months.
00:44:27
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And then Paris tried to be nice and go, you didn't necessarily deliver that. And then Phil Spencer immediately went like, it's not necessarily, we didn't, we did not deliver the, you know, the promise, you know, all these games will come out in 12 months. I saw someone did a comparison math on it. 59% of them came out. So just, just, just, just a hair over half.
00:44:50
Speaker
of these of all the games are like, these are the one you're going to be playing every one of these games in the next 12 months. And they released just over half of them. Yeah, this man's going to ruin my stupid fantasy draft of Silksong doesn't come out this year, but but like, yeah. And talking about that, he was definitely he was very candid in these interviews, which is like, I'm not going to say I necessarily
00:45:17
Speaker
like Phil Spencer. We don't, I don't know him so much. I mean, we like him better than Jim Ryan. I don't know if we like him better than Doug Bowser or Reggie Fiesemay, but it's Spencer or Republican. Let's look at Phil Spencer. I don't know. I mean, I don't, I don't know. It's also the name of a Republican Senator or something. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, but like,
00:45:47
Speaker
I would say Phil, he's a good interviewer, right? And easily can win people over. And part of me is on guard of just, is half of this an act?
00:46:04
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But to be honest with you, my judgment on just watching the interview is, no, he's incredibly frustrated and disappointed too. And he looked lit during it. And I think he let slip quite a bit more just because of his state of mind and everything else.
00:46:27
Speaker
Yeah, so two other pretty big points that came out, I think that a lot of people reported on. He also talked a little bit about Starfield and all that. I don't know if we'll get to that because I do want to talk about the Nintendo story after this, but
00:46:40
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One is that he basically said we're in third place, which is crazy to just say like, yeah. And basically, you know, we are behind PlayStation and Nintendo. We are solidly in third place. And secondly,
00:46:59
Speaker
You know, I don't think like because we lost the Xbox one generation, we are just in such a position of being behind that it's so hard to catch up because the PS4 Xbox one generation, it was everybody who's building their digital libraries. And now we're behind this eight ball of like, well, you know, like if
00:47:21
Speaker
Is star, I think his exact quote is there is no world where Starfield is an 11 out of 10 and people are selling their PS fives. That's not going to happen. Right. Because people are bought into ecosystems. So no one's going to starfield could be the greatest game ever. No one's going to run out and leave the PlayStation ecosystem just to play starfield. Right. At best, what you can hope to be is their second console, you know. So that's an incredible piece of honesty from the head.
00:47:48
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It puts this bigger emphasis on what their strategy is and why they've delved into Game Pass so hard.
00:48:01
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I know there's a lot of people that kind of are taking this in a different way where they're just like Xbox is abandoning consoles or just trying to make good games, which I think is too reductionist. He doesn't say that. Those are not the exact words that are being said.
00:48:27
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But yeah, it's, it's such a, it was not something you hear any president of a company would admit to be like, yeah, this is where we are in the competition and we are in a bad spot. Like you're not saying that you don't even say that in the earnings call.
00:48:45
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Yeah. And the idea being that like game pass is there a way to be like, okay, we can't get people to buy all these games and build up their library. So we have to trick them into having the library essentially via game pass, which honestly, they're doing a good job of like the, the reason like Xbox probably hasn't completely fallen off today is because of Phil Spencer and game pass. Um, but it's, I still hold my point. I don't know.
00:49:16
Speaker
Starfield doesn't deliver. And as much as like I appreciate Phil's honesty and his contrition, it's like all the all the good feelings in the world still isn't success. You know what I mean? I don't know. I don't think Starfield's going to be that good.
00:49:33
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The ESRB readings came out today. I saw that. Yeah. Yeah. And it included some of the suggestive language for adult scenes. What was the other one? Including such lines as set. What is it? Life is a sexually transmitted disease that's 100 percent fatal. Oh, and the other one was it was great. That was great. But next time, let's try it without the jet packs.
00:50:00
Speaker
Oh, that was in a situation post-coitus. Yeah. And then maybe it's like cheeky, like maybe the game's not taking itself seriously. I mean, Fallout's pretty. I mean, like you think about kind of the humor in Fallout. Unfortunately, I haven't played, so I don't know. Andy, why do we even do a show with you? Because it's like it's a boring PC looking game. I don't want to play it.
00:50:30
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I'm glad you like it
00:50:33
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I played Fallout 76, okay? The worst one. So are there any other points from the Spencer interview you wanted to touch on? Something that was the final, well, maybe it's not brought up here, but at the end of the interview, something I admired the hosts for saying this outright, which is there's an Xbox showcase coming up. Are you going to be more specific about what the games can do?
00:51:00
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for what you're highlighting. So like for specifically, Mike Howard, the host said, Starfield, are you going to talk about whether or not it's going to have support 30 and 60 FPS? And it feels like, yes, we're going to be clear about what it can do, because historically, with the Redfall, they announced that it can't even do 60 FPS on console. On console, yeah. Which is a crazy thing. Like you can't get them.
00:51:28
Speaker
So I, you know, I think the host definitely kept them to task, did what they could. And Starfield, I just don't think I agree. I don't think Starfield is going to be an 11 out of 10 game. It'll probably be a 90 or 80 at best. If it doesn't crack in 90, it's going to be real tough for them. Like I like realistically, I see it.
00:51:55
Speaker
Bethesda games are weird. Like the games are buggy. I mean, that's true, right? But if he told me that like when I played Skyrim, when it came out, if he told me it was going to be one of the best selling games of all time, I wouldn't have necessarily thought of it that way. Like Skyrim was a great game when I played it. But like, I don't know. It's how people hook into games is very specific to
00:52:22
Speaker
It's almost kind of like where everyone is when the game was released and how easy it is to get stuck into it. Like I think they learned the lesson that Fallout 4 was just a touch too linear for people to just run off and do everything. Well, we just it's it kind of has that cyberpunk problem, right? Which is it's like you have to save your son in Fallout 4. So every other thing you're doing feels like the least important thing in the world.
00:52:49
Speaker
Oh, sure. Like in Cyberpunk, it's like, hey, you're going to die in a week. And it's like, yeah, but I could really go steal these cars. You know, it's like I think they've learned that lesson based on what I've heard from them, because you have to give players enough agency to explore your world without feeling like they're ignoring the main storyline. Skyrim is like so good at just being like, I don't know, fucking go do what you want.
00:53:14
Speaker
Like they don't even let you, they don't even really drag you into the main storyline unless you go to like a couple cities. Yeah. Well, yeah, I could, I definitely attest to that. And, but to be honest with you, um, and due to my, maybe not necessarily unique, but definitely not common experience.
00:53:33
Speaker
So my experience with Skyrim was I did, I did not engage the main quest line at all. Like I, I went into white run and then did ignore that entire thing. And then I just went to each village on the map and just did all their quests. I was almost done. And then I hit the game breaking save, wouldn't load anymore. And they would do stuff in the little screen. So I never played the game. I don't even know who part the next is. I had to look at it.
00:54:00
Speaker
People were talking about a Yeti and I was like, I don't know about that. But, and I hated that whole thing. Cause I was, I bought the game and my mentality for lack of direction was just, I don't know. Just go and do quests until I can't do any more quests. Did you play on the PS3? Yeah. Yeah. That was the worst version. It was the worst version. Yep. Yeah. And that's why Bethesda has no hold over me.
00:54:28
Speaker
Well, speaking of the worst versions of games, let's talk about the switch. Oh, yeah. I mean, every game that's on the switch is the worst version of the game. I don't care. That's fair. Even even games that are switch exclusives, you're still playing the worst version. And have you seen the 60 FPS Breath of the Wild emulated game videos? No, they're so much better.
00:54:55
Speaker
Breath of the Wild looks so much better on a PC. Anyway, Nintendo gave its financial report yesterday and a couple of numbers to know about. They updated how many Switch units have been sold. 125 million Switch units, putting it, I believe, firmly in third place of the highest selling console of all time behind the PS2 and the Nintendo DS.
00:55:25
Speaker
Um, they also gave some numbers on, Oh shit, this article doesn't have it. Oh no. So anyway, I gave the numbers on, uh, the software sales for the year. Um, E what is it? Uh, we're sold 213 million. I'll find it. Hang on. Yeah.
00:55:52
Speaker
They're still making a lot of money, but they're publicly traded, right? Yes, they are. They are. Oh, they're not making enough. Just to just to recognize the enormity of being number three of best selling game console of all time switch one, you know, 128 million, give or take.
00:56:13
Speaker
Xbox Series X and S 13.56 million. Yeah. Sorry. 18 million. Sorry. 18.4 million. How much was GameCube? Do you have that in front of you? Yep. 21.74 million. How much was Dreamcast? Let me keep scrolling down. 9.13 million. Oh, that breaks my heart. Sega made the right decision. Okay.
00:56:41
Speaker
Listen, the Dreamcast was really good. Wii U was 13.56 million. So is that more than Xbox? For which? Sorry, Xbox. The current generation of Xbox? No. That was the one I misread. Xbox Series X is the next one above it, which is 18.5 million. Now, the other important thing, and although technically it's not fair because these consoles are from across all the years of generation. Sure, yeah.
00:57:09
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You know, where you live in modern times, games are more accessible, so there's a bigger audience. However, we are looking at PS2 and Nintendo DS as being the top one. So I guess we can't.
00:57:22
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Yeah. Uh, and I found the, uh, the software sales. So they updated the total numbers for the, uh, top selling software on the Nintendo switch, Mario car eight eight deluxe still holds first place with 53.8 million. That's just need to make another one. That's about that's about a 48% attach rate. I think just about for every switch.
00:57:51
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and it's not a pack and any number two animal crossings new horizons make 42 million units not a mario game yep oh no you got to keep going number three super smash brothers 31 million units okay number four legend of zelda
00:58:07
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29.8 million units sold then you have Pokemon sword and shield and then after that then you get Super Mario Odyssey Interesting then you get a Pokemon scarlet and violet which is the newest released one and then after that you get Super Mario Party The one they got right Sitting at 19 million units old. Oh, we need to play that
00:58:31
Speaker
The good one. Yeah. Yeah. The good one. And then New Super Mario Brothers U Deluxe, the Wii U re-release that is at ninth place. And then in 10th place, Andy, Ring Fit Adventure with 15 million units sold.
00:58:46
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Wow, they must have made so much money. Not listed in this exact one I'm looking at, but I know the numbers also is Metroid Prime remaster sold 1.9 million units since its release. Wow. I wonder if that's more than what it sold on GameCube. Probably. No, I probably sold more than that on GameCube.
00:59:13
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Other things basically was that the president of Nintendo, uh, I can't remember who actually gave the art, who gave the report, but basically said there will be a slowdown in hardware, uh, sales upcoming. And also they have no plans to release a new switch in the fiscal year 2024. Whoa, really? Yep. Wow.
00:59:37
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Remember when we were like so sure we were going to get Tears of the Kingdom with the new console iteration? I know. I wasn't, but you were. Well, well, actually, so here's the thing. There has been a lot of discussion about what the exact translation of that says. OK. And that's one of the things we have. It could be that we're not planning to or we have nothing to announce. OK. So I still kind of hold out thought that we may get so.
01:00:08
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I have a feeling in August you may get the announcement of the next switch because you want to give Tears of a Kingdom at least three months to sell plus the OLED that they released for it.
01:00:23
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Now, then what I would say for that, James, though, is we should distinguish a little bit more and say next, which we're saying next console generation for Nintendo. We don't know what they're going to do. No, traditionally, Nintendo makes a hard cut. If they do it again this time, I don't.
01:00:48
Speaker
Like it's so frustrating. I'm not a fan of just creating new like updated hardware spec for a switch. I think it needs to be an actual next generation upgrade because what if they figure out a way to sell you a unit that allows you to keep your switch and then you can kind of plug it like almost like a plug in GPU card, essentially.
01:01:11
Speaker
Yeah, rumble packs. I mean, I mean, yes and no. It's like it's like a like the doc rate as a dedicated discrete GPU in it. But people also is meant to also be handheld. You have to do something that's like both that you can. Well, handheld mode is not terrible for most switch games because the switch is such a small. It runs at such a small resolution.
01:01:37
Speaker
Hmm. I don't know. It's like, I think like half the thing is for performance, right? It's better when it's docked. It's that's actually not true for some games. Okay. Yeah. It's actually a lot of games lately are better. And like, um, scarlet and violet are better in handheld mode than they are docked weird. Yep. Yeah. Because it's export because of the resolution goes up. Yeah. And the resolution goes up. It's more performance demand.
01:02:03
Speaker
So my thing about this whole thing is if you try to make another iteration within the same generation, it's another set of years where all your games you make are tied down to the lowest thing you still have to support. And it's a nightmare and it's annoying.
01:02:25
Speaker
and it gets in the way of making much more higher fidelity games and doing everything else. And if you do that, you definitely are just saying you have probably another year or two of games that you feel like we're kind of tapping out on in terms of Nintendo's once talked about, we make one good iteration, one great iteration of our franchises per generation. And it's like, okay, you're gonna make another.
01:02:55
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I mean what I would say that that was more true when Nintendo was making their own processors and stuff for their consoles, right like that this
01:03:08
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They're on the Nvidia Tegra chip now, which is a pretty standard CPU. So the idea of like matching that to something else is not as hard anymore. Like it's it's the same fucking reason like Metal Gear Solid 5 is stuck on the PS3 because of that fucking cell processor. Now, like Xbox and PlayStation 5 are both using standard AMD APUs and the switch is using Nvidia. Like my goal is a Metal Gear Solid 4, by the way.
01:03:38
Speaker
Oh, you're right. I did mean for I'm correct. You're correct. I'm wrong. Thank you.
01:03:43
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Um, but back to Melger solid origin. So I've never played it. Uh, it's a shame. I know. I know. It's one thing. Once our PS three gets, gets it working perfectly. Um, we're almost there. But anyway, uh, yeah, I, it's not as hard for them to do that now. And especially if they stay on the Nvidia track, right? DLSS is really good.
01:04:10
Speaker
Like DLS DLS is what Nintendo needs because then it kind of does a lot of their performance work for them, especially for people like fucking game freak. So I don't know. I I in my heart, I know Nintendo is always going to do the stupidest possible thing, like naming it the new three B.S. Right. Super Nintendo switch.
01:04:37
Speaker
But it would be so cute. No, it's going to be the new switch. No, it's not. No. But I feel like when you have the third best selling console of all time, you maybe play it a little closer to the chest this time. Maybe you go, you know what? Maybe this time, maybe this time we play it a little safer. Yeah.
01:05:01
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which I think everybody just wants one with updated specs. I think they have to stay with the handheld format. It was genius. It was genius.
01:05:10
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So stick with it, Nintendo. I still, I hold, we will find out by August. I would say that I think whatever they do, like if they make a new generation, it will still be, it will be backwards compatible with the Switch. Like even if it's not the same form factor or anything, they'll still be like, yeah, there'll be two separate controls. It'll be easy to just play your old games on it.
01:05:38
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much like Phil Spencer's earlier thing of saying the people's digital libraries are now important for people. I definitely think that backwards compatibility is now absolutely a must-have feature and not a nice-to-have.
01:05:57
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Oh yeah. If only PlayStation tried a little bit harder. I mean, you know what the most Nintendo way to do it is, right? Which is like, Hey, we have backwards compatibility and it's through Nintendo online. As long as you pay us $10, then you get to have all your switch games on your new switch or whatever they call it. Yeah. That is the most.
01:06:20
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That is probably the way they will go. That's what they're already doing that. So yes. Yeah, exactly. Right. So this is what I'm there. They've kind of freeloaded the idea into us almost. I wouldn't. Now that I've said that out loud, I feel like that's almost inevitable, but we will see.
01:06:38
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Charles, do you I would give you any more closing thoughts on this? Um, it has to be a new console. Don't fucking just make another safe iteration in the same generation. I just want a new console that or stop going after people making nice emulators for my steam deck. Yeah. Yeah. Kotaku is fucking stupid for publishing the.
01:07:02
Speaker
Yeah, we're going to get into it. Kotaku published this whole thing of how you could download the rom for Tears of the Kingdom and load it on an emulator. And then and then Nintendo sued that the emulator maker to oblivion. One of my favorite, my favorite Smackdown statements was they smack the taste out his mouth.
01:07:26
Speaker
Uh, but we will have to, but next week we'll have to discuss the greatest game of all time. Tears of the kingdom. I will be, I will be playing it at midnight on Thursday or whenever the fuck it's getting released, whatever, whatever time zone, Nintendo deans to release it. I will be awakened playing it. Um, and I will tell you all about it next week on another episode of add to party.
01:07:53
Speaker
A friendship simulator masquerading as a new show. I've been your host, James. I can't believe Tears of the Kingdom is only two days away. Well, and I've been joined by Charles finished Final Fantasy type zero over the weekend and now might play dredge or telling lies or forgotten city. You might. And I've been joined by Andy. I have a handle of gin on my desk, and that's a weird feeling.
01:08:22
Speaker
So don't have a problem, right? Just to be clear. It's just so big. Well, I didn't want to get up and make another gin and tonic during the recording. So you just drank it straight out of the handle or? No, I brought over some more tonic and lime juice and I just mixed some more, but it just feels weird having it at my desk. Yeah. I don't know if you can hear it. This big boy. Anyways. Oh, I think I said Kay. So that not all of that's my name.
01:08:51
Speaker
Maybe it is. The alcohol doesn't represent me. It's just a part of me. It's just so big, you guys have a good night. Good night. Have a good night. Bye.