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Episode 31: The Gotham City Conquest!
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A long time ago… in a windy city, far, far away… Your hosts Andrew Kouba, Nick Sperry, and Gotham City Conquest Conquest CHAMPION, Andrew Oehler, discuss the recent Gotham City Conquest!
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Introduction and Podcast Overview
00:00:02
Speaker
You are listening to the 312 Squadron Podcast. My name is Nick Sperry. I'm Andrew Kuba. I'm Andrew Oler. All the Andrews are here. I'm to to change my name.
Gotham City Conquest Hype
00:00:13
Speaker
We are pleased to be back to talk about the Gotham City Conquest. And we have our champion, Andrew Oller, here to chat about his recent win in that
Champion's Insights: Andrew Oller
00:00:23
Speaker
conquest. And we also got a little points update from the X-Wing Alliance that we'll talk about briefly as well.
00:00:29
Speaker
ah Andrew Oller and Andrew Kuba, of course, never going to exclude Mr. Kuba. Thank you for joining me today and making the time to record kind of last minute, flexible, time shift there i appreciate you guys accommodating me as the video folks watching i'm wearing a cubs jersey i'm gonna try to make it to the cubs game after this and they were accommodating of that so i do appreciate it thank you welcome both you guys yeah thanks we're not gonna keep you from a cubs game Yeah, well, hopefully it's not. At least it's a good game. Otherwise, I've been like, man, maybe it should have just stayed back.
00:01:01
Speaker
But hopefully not. Hopefully not. Well, guys, um it's X-Wing.
X-Wing Game Evolution
00:01:06
Speaker
The world of X-Wing continues to move forward. Things continue to change. um i'm I'm excited ah to cover yet another conquest and to have ah one of the older brothers, is as is as Andrew was just talking about how people often conflate and confuse him and his his brother, um to chat about X-Wing. So, yeah.
00:01:26
Speaker
Let's talk about the Gotham City Conquest. You guys both played in it. um I think I'll just start off with really asking you both about what your experience was like with that field of players and how it went for you. Kuba, I guess I'll throw it over to you before we go to our champ here.
00:01:41
Speaker
Yeah, it was not the best showing for me. i decided to to go with ah with an A-serialist. However, it once again was just an absolute blast to play. All of my opponents were excellent.
00:01:54
Speaker
and And it was a lot of fun you know going on it and doing commentary too. And i will say, you know um sure we'll get into it, but ah the stream games were so fun to watch and to to go back and and watch those as well.
00:02:08
Speaker
So yeah, Andrew, I'd love to um hear your experience on it as well. Yeah, it was great. It was really fun. um i flew in the Crumpet. I stayed up. I was one of the crazy people to stay up in the Crumpet conquest, and it didn't go super great for me. I had a very lukewarm day, so I wanted to fly something.
00:02:26
Speaker
i guess i i mean i guess the list is good. I knew it was good, but I wanted to fly something that I thought was a little more fun and entertaining. So I flew my
Strategies and Archetypes at Gotham City
00:02:37
Speaker
goofy self-bombing rebel list.
00:02:39
Speaker
It's not my list. I actually stole it from. ah shamelessly stole it from a couple people. so much shame. And then put my own little twist on it. And yeah, it it turned out pretty well.
00:02:52
Speaker
Turns out. Why don't you, but we'll we'll go into the the depths of the list's functionality, but just to start us off, just give us who's in the list, and we'll talk about it more in a little bit. Who was your champ winning list here?
00:03:05
Speaker
So the Saw-Guerrera-Wolferoo kind of combo, i and got from, with Yvonne, I got from, there was a gentleman, I'll shout him out, Brian Barter, who was crushing people in NCX.
00:03:19
Speaker
As Rebels and as a Rebel diehard being my main faction, I was intrigued by him running the same list and doing so well because I had been struggling with Rebels.
00:03:30
Speaker
And then at the UK Grand Expo, Elliot Clayton flew pretty much the same shell of a list with Saw and Wolf and Yvonne. And I, he made top eight or top four, one of the
Event Structure and Outcomes
00:03:45
Speaker
two.
00:03:45
Speaker
So I went, okay, I think there's something to this archetype. So I started playing around with it myself and i really liked it. Luke was my own personal spin. Some people flying wedge or Gavin.
00:03:58
Speaker
And then Because I didn't take Wedge in the X-Wing I can take Wedge in the A-Wing Over Arvel Because I am terrible with Arvel And i every time I fly him he just dies He doesn't spark joy um when you don't like when you When you line up that bump Oh it feels so good So people just think that it's going to happen That it's it's easy And the thing is It's so predictable.
00:04:22
Speaker
It's so predictable that a lot of people, it just doesn't happen as much as you would think. Especially even with ah five or ships six ships on each side. And then, yeah, he's just sad. And then sometimes he overshoots everybody, which is kind of the worst part, is that he's just like, you just see Arvel out there just kind of facing nothing, and everybody's on the other side of him, because he tried to line up the block.
00:04:42
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, exactly my feelings on Arvel. I screw up with him all the time. And then he's running around behind everybody trying to get turned around.
00:04:54
Speaker
um relevant. He's kind of a, is it fair to say he's a one trick pony? Cause I really feel like he is. He is. When he works though, he does feel amazing. Yeah. Well, i I remember I got it to work once and then I biffed the shot and I just was so devastated. can't do this.
00:05:12
Speaker
<unk> no Oh, no. that was terrible. Man, I got to have you on twice. the The last round of Swiss, we played four rounds in this tournament. We'll talk about the event itself just from a TO perspective. This was the third conquest, um the second in the US in terms of time zones. This was an Eastern time zone based event. Of course, it's the Gotham City conquest. So we're doing it Eastern time.
00:05:33
Speaker
New York City. ah We had about 48 people to start the day, but we had a decent number of people, just no show. We had seven, I think. It looks like seven who were were unable to make it start of the day. So we did start the tournament in terms of active players with 41.
00:05:49
Speaker
forty one which was just a couple more than a couple more than necessary to have a four round Swiss. I thought the numbers lined up to be able to only have to do four rounds to determine two undefeated players. Unfortunately, we had three. i want to give Epionic a shout out. We'll talk about his list in know in a little bit, but he also was undefeated and we're going to host an exhibition game between him and, uh,
00:06:15
Speaker
and andrew oler to to see if we can send epi a championship plaque as well just kind of as a as a a little bit of ah of a of a deserved prize if he does win that exhibition game and it doesn't affect anybody andrew oler still gets his win still claims top dog and prize for this but they both get their invite and that's the most important thing for the end of the year when it comes to these conquests is getting your invite to play in the global at the end of the year so Yeah.
Tournament Experiences and Meta Discussion
00:06:44
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. and It was, but it was overall it went really well as Andrew got to join me for the first game, Mr. Andrew Cuba and do commentary. And as he said, the the games on stream were, were, were pretty good. um There was a couple of, of brawler type games where you had like big point swings. Then you had some really close nail biter games. And um as a streamer, i always do appreciate the closer games. If I had to pick one over the other, was picking the ones that people are, well, they won't they on the edge of their seat kind of vibes.
00:07:13
Speaker
and yeah just went really well the players everyone was great we stayed on schedule it was it went by so fast i don't know about you guys but i feel like i blinked and and we were in our final table so uh no a dream when it comes to running a tournament yeah because i felt that as well i may have attended an event afterwards Did you win that one too?
00:07:35
Speaker
I did not. I made final table. Nice. That's great. lo And then I swoo, right? You played swoo. It was swoo. Yeah. And then I used all my brain power for the week in that day. Oh, dude, I can imagine. That's yeah I yeah, I could. I can't imagine just yeah going into a whole different like strategy game right afterwards.
00:07:53
Speaker
I'm going to make this full screen on my side here just to bring up. There. Yeah, that's incredible. Yeah, that's that talk about ah ah running yourself through a gauntlet. I would be too tired. I was very tired after after after these sorts of events. I'm like, yeah, I'm only sitting at a computer all day. So it's like, how could you be exhausted? But it's just exhausting.
00:08:11
Speaker
It's just it is. It's just, you know, if you got to move around a little bit. um So in terms of what I noticed, and we'll talk about what you guys experienced ah with the field, but just looking at our insights, the faction distribution.
00:08:24
Speaker
So the winning list, of course, Alder's Rebel list, that was only one of three people to bring Rebels. ah Scum ah exceeded actually four times the amount of Rebel lists. There's 12 Scum lists, so they made up the biggest piece of the pie for Gotham.
00:08:42
Speaker
And then you have Empire and second in second and Republic in third. So interesting to see this shake out. Scum continues to be like top two, top three. But to see um Rebels kind of in resistance fall back as much as they did. First Order at four. So more First Order list than Rebel list is actually the most surprising thing to me.
00:09:05
Speaker
um But yeah, I mean, what'd you guys what did you guys think or expect when it comes to the overall field? Scum has been extremely popular lately in tournaments from what I've seen. I'm a little surprised about CIS because I think that in the current points that we are playing and they're one of the best factions in the game. We'll talk about them after the points change in a bit.
00:09:29
Speaker
um but they've never been super popular anyway, but FO getting more than Rebels feels bad, because I feel like Rebels were on the struggle bus a little bit. I say that as I won with them, but that's because like i was trying I had been trying, and quite a few people have been really trying to find something with them, but they actually did really well at this they did really well.
00:09:49
Speaker
I mean, the lowest Rebels player was in ninth place, so just barely making the top eight cut. Yeah, that is that is interesting. I'm looking at And no no scum in the top nine.
00:10:03
Speaker
theyre like Their 10th place is the highest scum player. Yeah. Scum has a lot of toys that are like really exciting. um that They do a lot of things that um are pretty menacing. you know This new Dengar, we got to see Zuckus, the SL Zuckus. We got to see... ah We've seen a lot of Fen'Rao with that extra hole. We've seen tons of the Mandalorian.
00:10:27
Speaker
um There's definitely a ah lot of exciting toys and I think that just skews the participation for that faction, but they're also doing, you know, they're they're doing pretty well. They're certainly doing so much better than we had been used to um the last couple of years.
00:10:41
Speaker
yeah for sure And what's nice about these conquests is that as you go to different time zones, as we'll go back to Europe for the pierogi one, the um and and this month, later in July, it's July 1st, we're recording this, just realized that June is over.
00:10:56
Speaker
um It's interesting to see the... the the meta shift, um you know, the Windy City conquest. I feel like we saw um we saw a good dose of of scum and then we saw a nice mixture of like resistance, rebels and empire. And now scum is still holding pretty firm.
00:11:13
Speaker
F.O. still not a lot of people playing it, but the faction's been doing better, at least statistically in draft league. I think they were top dog or near the top in terms of performance over there. And there's a lot of games being played.
00:11:26
Speaker
in that league so these conquests are a great litmus to to see um how people feel about the new content and to see what people feel like playing and also to see if people buy into the fact that a faction like fo or resistance is actually uh has the pieces needed ah to perform well um you know you see you still see I think and a lot of people kind of leaning into their comfort zone instead of trying something ah different or maybe taking their secondary faction um but yeah and then CIS continues to kind of be littered throughout ah the rankings as they've done well for a long quite a while next WA now
00:12:05
Speaker
I did want to call out um Empire as well, where we did have three Empire players in the top eight, even though i feel across the board, you know, people thought that that was a faction that was struggling.
00:12:18
Speaker
And even like the archetypes within a lot of these are fairly different. Like, it's still great to see that among the factions, there are still unique versions of each faction that are still kind of coming to the table. I mean, yeah, as is mentioning that pilots by...
00:12:34
Speaker
looking at the pilots by count, like there's so much variety here. um I'm not really, I don't think I'm seeing more than three. Okay. I see a use a four, five, here we go.
00:12:45
Speaker
Five general grievous. That makes sense. going to lot of grievous scimitar one. Okay. So we're seeing, seeing what's really popular, but I can scroll down for a long time. There's so many different pilots being used and I don't, you know, not to play the comparison game, but I'm curious if we were to take a tournament, let's say an online tournament,
00:13:03
Speaker
or but let's say in-person AMG points tournament and it had this breakdown, like how long would I scroll? What would those numbers look like? I feel like there would just not be as many pilots. Certainly would be a lot less because just the way the meta was constructed.
00:13:18
Speaker
yeah for sure. Points were laid out. And also how long between points changes. Right, right. But that's really cool. I actually um appreciate you pointing that out because...
00:13:30
Speaker
It's, ah you know, I'll be honest, I've been, um my head hasn't been in X-Wing as much still past month. I've kind of been all over the place. um And I was on a work trip literally hours before I started the Gotham City Conquest when I got home from that trip. And um it is cool to be able to go through this and and see just how, it's very eye-opening to see exactly how diverse things have been getting.
00:13:53
Speaker
it's been like a trend it's not just like the gotham city conquest was it was diverse there was good variety but i feel like i can't pin exactly what to expect with each conquest moving forward i i can't make any predictions that i would feel confident in saying oh scum scum's gonna be you know top three again the rest of the way is that something i feel like would be more likely yes but Especially with the points change that we just got as well. I mean, who knows? Rebels could shoot up to the top and Empire had been struggling a little bit. CIS is sneakily very, very good.
00:14:26
Speaker
And by sneaky, it is mean because it's still just not a faction that a ton of people bring. And yeah, just that's probably one of the most underrated parts of running events like this that are recurring is being able to see just how people are are really interacting with the game and yeah the the group that's running it now at this point, the you know, X-Wing Alliance.
00:14:47
Speaker
Yeah. And I mean, I've played in every single Conquest series so far, and
X-Wing Alliance Updates
00:14:51
Speaker
I i think I'm I don't think I've ever flown against the same list archetype ah twice.
00:15:00
Speaker
Like, just among my opponents. I'm sure some people might have different experiences, but just from my own, like, I feel like across these three tournaments, I don't think I've faced the same list, like, again.
00:15:15
Speaker
Which is pretty rare. Yeah, that's pretty cool. How do you feel about what you've been going up against, Andrew? Like, a scale of 1 to 10, how satisfied are you with maybe the landscape of X-Wing right now with, like, meta and lists that you're playing with and against?
00:15:30
Speaker
it's It's really cool. um There's some standout pilots that you see in a lot of lists of the same faction, like Fenrau or General Grievous, but I did play against two different CIS this week, or yeah during this event, and they were two very different lists.
00:15:48
Speaker
um I like that you can sit down across the table from someone or see their list in like the little icons what ships they're bringing in Rollbatter, and you don't actually know which pilots it is.
00:16:00
Speaker
In AMG days, you could kind of be paired into Rebels and know that you're probably playing against Luke and it's and it's like arcs of some variety and I'm liking the variety and I think with some of the point changes dropped last week, the variety is just going to keep increasing. Would you argue that, um you know, I'm just the PR person over here, and part of the points team, but would you argue that ah a goal for the ah
00:16:31
Speaker
a member of the points team or for a healthy mei meta is variety like would you say that that should be at the top one of the top things on your list in terms of like what you want to go for with making changes i think so it depends if you want a well-balanced game or a more interesting game i guess right i guess they're kind of the same thing Yes, is my answer. facts When it comes to, I think leaning more into variety is is is better than trying to perfect every pilot. as just There's just some pilots that are just not, you could give them a lot of loadout and like that could be problematic because then they'd be too cheap and they're just you know cheap pro-torp carriers or missile carriers or whatever you put on there.
00:17:14
Speaker
um some Some pilots are just not meant to be played all the time because of the way that they are. And Swing's a dense game when it comes to options now. you know We just have a lot and we're adding very new content that exists, that's been added.
00:17:27
Speaker
So I think that the goal at this point is just trying to get as much as reasonably possible playable. Yeah, absolutely. And I think we're doing a really good job of doing Yeah, and we're talking about CIS.
00:17:40
Speaker
We had LeChancellor, like the last conquest, got his invite to the global playing Maul. And, yeah you know, just I don't even think you could bring Maul in AMG points in really like it just wasn't if you could, obviously, but you you kind of couldn't like no one did. no one ever even thought about it. No one thought about the chassis like the scimitar is just kind of left behind in most cases, unless it was more casual play.
00:18:06
Speaker
And if you're, unless your name is Duncan Howard, you just didn't look, you didn't look at mall. you didn't look at the scimitar. You tried to bring a swarm list and struggled with it, but now that's not the case anymore. CIS swarms are very much menacing and, and they throw a lot of dice at you. And that's kind of goes back to the roots of what made them good with swarms in high quantity lists ah in 2.0 was that statistically, mathematically, they threw a lot of dice at you and you had to outpace yeah your kills versus what they had to get on you and i know scenarios throw a wrinkle into just how every game is played and how everyone strategizes with their list but it's just nice to see cis is actually capable if not you know has almost an advantage in most scenarios because of the fact that they have swarmy larger ship count lists yeah it's always a race against the clock with cis fine it seems
00:18:59
Speaker
and I mean, I will say that looking at the data, not only from the Conquest series, but like in in some of the leagues and stuff and and other tournaments online, I think that that is what necessitated you know a points update is that ah CIS just seems to be a faction that has no weak scenario.
00:19:17
Speaker
And they they really have thrived in this last points world with those games and objectives.
CIS Dominance in Tournaments
00:19:27
Speaker
I mean, they've they've continued to thrive even with the HMPs being nerfed.
00:19:32
Speaker
um Just turns out that, yeah, wasn't just the HMPs, but they were really brutal to deal with when you had two three-point HMPs that had take a ton of loadout. That was that was nasty stuff.
00:19:43
Speaker
And honestly, if you know so if if you were if you were to ask me, okay, well like what's one thing I can do to this faction to just kill it? Or not kill it, but to really put it in its place? Oh, it's like, oh, simple. Just make Kraken unplayable.
00:19:57
Speaker
I think the power of Kraken and CIS List has been exercised and and demonstrated. It's just such a powerful tool to hold on to green tokens, calculates, and have ships roll into engagements with extra green tokens or double modded shots.
00:20:13
Speaker
ah Yeah. It's a triple, triple coordinate. ye Essentially. yeah exactly. And with a huge range band, it's just very strong. um Now, is there anything that surprised you guys about Gotham city before we kind of dive into chatting about points for the second half of our, our show?
00:20:32
Speaker
Yeah. Several going to final table with two eight as mad man. Yeah, we can definitely, uh, break down the list too it's something that i had mentioned doing and i just almost forgot to do but sevwal his list was uh a five ship republic list uh he had anakin and obi-wan in the adas these are both custom builds ah predator and patience on anakin predator patience and brilliant evasion on obi-wan then he has rick ali in the n1 with uh r7 a7 that's the crit droid three charges on that that crit droid and juke good combo because of full throttle and then you have luminara on dually with uh r2 d2 for some regen this is delta 7
00:21:16
Speaker
B, Luminara. um And I get thrown by the roll better points because it says Luminara is three points, but I know that is not the case. Luminara, I assume, is... Four? think.
00:21:27
Speaker
Five, okay. Seven B, yeah. And was she just nerfs people's shots, turns crits to hits, turns hits to eyeballs. As long as she's not in bullseye, she can spend fours to do that. Just helps make her friendlies more defensive.
00:21:41
Speaker
And then Click, who also is really good at nerfing shots, restricting range bonuses. with precision ion engines and r3 astromech so several already won ah conquest series he won the first one and ah he uh he had the audacity to try to win another one he almost did he brought a ah list that uh at least at first um i'm trying to remember exactly what happened in the first couple of rounds but um you came out swinging uh in the mid game and then basically kind of carried it away yeah he might the end killed my wedge early
00:22:17
Speaker
I made a gambit with Wedge and threw him right in the middle of the board, and he kind of just got dogpiled and died. And I was down.
00:22:27
Speaker
I traded that for like a couple shields on Luminara, I think. But I got really lucky in Ada doing Ada things the following turn. Oh, and my Luke got pretty beat up.
00:22:39
Speaker
Luke took a 4k, but chopper man didn't die to, uh, Anakin and then took a range one saga era focused. or forced, I guess, essentially focused because I two force, shot into Anakin and just one-shot Anakin.
00:22:56
Speaker
Yeah, that's I remember that because we were we were thinking that Seth Wall has had an advantage there, and then I said, and Anakin just got one-shotted, and now this game is completely different. This game has been turned upside down. It's like the ah that's like the that's like ah a baseball player hitting a grand slam with nobody on base. Just kind of...
00:23:16
Speaker
Just like, holy shit, this game is way different now. Like, how is that possible? But yeah, I mean, Ada's doobie, Ada-ing, and Anakin, I think we're we're I had been seeing a lot of decent greens from Republic, and and at that point, Sevwa was being pretty good at rolling out of a lot of shots, and then Anakin just exploded, and that was a huge... You needed that moment, because it was it was an uphill climb, for sure.
00:23:41
Speaker
it It was one of the swingiest final games, yeah. He boosted his Anakin into range 1 to try to initiative kill Luke, and it didn't work, and then because he didn't have an evade token and was low on force, yeah just yep Luke just sent him right out.
00:24:00
Speaker
yeah and that's always feels bad when you have a plan that makes sense in theory you're like oh i just removed this ship it's not a factor and then it doesn't work out you're like and this shot coming back i know i'm going to lose this ship this is not going to you just get that feeling you know that's just it starts to creep in like oh gosh i don't know that's kind of the the mantra of that list though is um being i for a lot of the things that shoot first and uh we kind of just have to hold and if the ships hold they throw so much pain back that it uh it usually trades up so yeah and it's pretty tanky lower agility for the most part but pretty tanky and you know there's a lot to to keep track of in your life you have to be mindful of um and a-wing wedge he's not
00:24:51
Speaker
He's not really going to terrify you, but he's going to be a huge problem if you kind of just let him get, you know, get in your flank or just kind of go all over the place and and and snipe in a damage here and there. Because the rest of your list is is the is the finisher, you know, like you have so many different ways to finish something off.
Gameplay Combos and Final Table Dynamics
00:25:07
Speaker
um and And Wolf Waro is a huge X factor paired with Saw Guerrero's ability when you give him the damage card to start the game. well far i was powered up to and end with a trick shot ultra powered up with a reroll has usually has a focus and then yvonne's like hey buddy you worried about taking ah too much damage this turn i'm nearby i'll spend my token you get an extra agility and that's also ah ga a gamut of the list that or gambit that i think is really underrated yeah yvonne actually was very important um
00:25:44
Speaker
Typically she'd be trailing Luke around, actually, and I kind of dangle Luke. And then giving Luke that third agility dice with his recurring force makes him very, very hard to kill.
00:25:56
Speaker
And also pumping up Saw Gerrera essentially gives him the same thing, because he essentially has hate with the child on three agility. So for a brief time, Yvonne can can can give us the experience of what it would be like to deal with Luke at an E wing. He's got.
00:26:12
Speaker
<unk> Yeah, for sure. Oh, man. I do want to give a shout out to Epionic, who did also go undefeated. um playing empire uh he brought a six ship empire list this was a goran swarm which goran sad with his loadout reduction we'll touch on that uh goran has the whole upgrade sensitive control send the scimitar one carsabi captain faroff double edge and obsidian squadron pilot combo so uh you have a plasma torpedo carsabi this is the custom built three-pointer
00:26:44
Speaker
uh fair off provides uh white coordinates with tactical officer targeting computer ruthless just tanky if you don't have any green tokens when you shoot at him he's more evasive and then you have that cheap three-point barrage rocket carrier with double edge um you know decent amount of health on that chassis despite it not being super popular one but three three points you can't argue with the dorsal and barrage rockets and maybe a double tap with double edges ability And then you just got that objective monkey in ah the obsidian squadron pilot.
00:27:14
Speaker
And Goran's got his pick of the litter. Everybody's lower initiative than him. So he's passing evades, removing target locks, just doing his thing. And no, it makes sense why he did so well with a list like that. That can be a huge pain if you don't get Goran out of there.
00:27:31
Speaker
It is difficult to deal with. And you played Goran a decent amount, Andrew. uba You know what that's like. Yeah, both of us did. Yeah, the the ultimate efficiency list. I mean, this is the the best pilots that Empire has to offer at the lowest points.
00:27:48
Speaker
so that's yeah And Gorin just makes them survive. And Gorin really shuts down super niche edge case lists too, which um can really cripple certain lists.
00:28:01
Speaker
Yeah, but anything relying heavily on target locks, uh, unless it's ah Unless it's my Aaron Kraken list. Unless it's that. Everything else is herbal when it comes to target locks.
00:28:12
Speaker
Or just damage your own ships so then you get passive rerolls and you don't have to worry about locks. Yeah, exactly. Passive mods is still ah ah the name of the game in a lot of ways. It's still huge, yeah.
00:28:23
Speaker
And Epionic went against resistance and scum all day too, which are big hit target lock heavy factions that they're really you know relying on that.
00:28:34
Speaker
Yeah. um But yeah we got a good flavor of of of ah factions here. Let's see. So we had number one, Rebels Republic, number two, Empire number three, CIS number four. So already four unique factions there alone.
00:28:49
Speaker
And then um you CIS again at five, Empire at six, Empire at seven, and then Rebels at eight. So you don't get any resistance. You don't get any First Order, and you don't get any scum, as Andrew mentioned earlier, in the top eight.
00:29:03
Speaker
We had a couple roll-down invites, but um yeah, so we had, let's see, seven ship CIS list here, and then some six, five, or six ship ah Empire.
00:29:17
Speaker
Let's see, then we have Bazooka Joe. You know Bazooka Joe, Andrew Oller, pretty well. um he brought it a list with an e-wing so i have to super out a is yeah it is actually yeah very cool so i'll just read it out real quick uh we got a wedge until he's custom build with the predator plaza torpedo combo core and horn and the e-wing i was hoping it was corn and not gavin because i've been enjoying playing corn a lot so cool to see corn horn uh with fcs r3 targeting synchronizer and hopeful then a siege to kettu interesting as an ion missile perceptive copilot so no advanced slam
00:29:51
Speaker
Aaron Kraken is hopeful in Ion Torpedoes. And then Shara Bey. um I think this is probably custodial or standard standard loadout because she has concussion missiles for three points.
00:30:02
Speaker
Yep. So actually, this targeting sink on Corrin, taking the lock's turn one, and then having your whole list be able to fire munitions off of Corrin's lock is the whole idea of this list.
00:30:13
Speaker
Yeah. so even no No easy reroll access, though, is the only downside. It's like a lot of instinctive aiming, but still scary to deal with. But a lot of ships have a Sigi focus on Wedge and Corrin. They can get a Sigi to help. Kraken can...
00:30:28
Speaker
give someone a focus if they didn't take one or a lock to double mod something it's really cool yeah yeah personally i've never been a big targeting synchronizer fan myself but i always i always see the value of it like i it's just like it's basically like oh do you like do you like instinctive aim and i'm like i'm not a big instinctive aim guy and so you probably wouldn't be as big of a target synchronizer guy either This obviously some lists archetypes. There's more passive mods you can unlock that make it stronger. But um yeah, I mean, when it when it when it works, you are at least restricting range bonuses.
00:31:01
Speaker
That's a lot of dice. Wedge is reducing defender's agility. So it is a cool list. And I could definitely, i wish i I could have ah paid attention to that one. it would have been cool to get that one on stream.
00:31:13
Speaker
But maybe he brings it again. can keep my eye out. Yeah, we'll see. It's cool. A lot of weird synergies.
00:31:24
Speaker
um Anything else about Gotham before we move on to a quick chat about the little points update that we got from XWA? No, I think it was a great event. You guys did great running it. Well, Nick, you did.
00:31:37
Speaker
yeah And I was was really, really happy to play in it. And I didn't expect to win. So that was a nice little surprise. And congratulations again. I appreciate the kind words.
00:31:49
Speaker
No, yeah, this was ah an awesome tournament again. and I was going to say, I was shocked to see that there were only two players who brought resistance lists. So hopefully we'll get, so we'll see more resistance in the Pierogi Conquest coming up.
00:32:01
Speaker
yeah i've i've been loving resistant like i mean i i was kind of i i was asked to play resistance in draft league and i was like ah it's fine if everyone needs to switch factions like i'll i'll bite the boy like i barely play them but i started playing this five ship list with like still morani and and uh heroes vote poe and finn and uh procket zz and uh gosh there's one more ship in there that i'm uh oh and um What's his name? Merle Cobben. And it was like super fun and engaging and good. I went three in one with a faction barely ever played. Skomorani is just as bonkers. Like he's just such a...
00:32:41
Speaker
the three the value of like the three hard over like spend the droids charge fly over a gas cloud and then like focus boost or boost focus whatever to like pursue a target people just forget that you're gonna do something like that yeah it's just whack it's so fun resistance has so many fun pieces yeah uh stomarone is just pure fun to fly as well yeah super super fun and gets those re-rolls when he goes fast as well um because But if ah if anybody has been temporarily even just for a couple of days, maybe ah napping under a rock, there was a points update ah with some patch notes released. I linked it in our our show notes. If you guys wanted to go over to the patch notes, I was just thinking we could kind of talk over the justifications and the the the main changes that were called out.
X-Wing Alliance Points Team Dedication
00:33:32
Speaker
And we can talk about maybe the biggest winners and losers of this change and what we expect to see moving forward. How does that sound for you guys? Sounds great. Awesome. So there's been a few updates. The points team has been good about giving us ah not frequent, but occasional updates. I think when we felt like it's time for a little tweak, they've they've done it.
00:33:51
Speaker
And we've been starved for that kind of cadence for a while. It's it's nice. And it's very tactical. I know from myself and what I see in the X-Wing Alliance server, how hard this team works and how much testing is done to make sure that these changes are made out of out of ah more necessity than out of flavor or bias.
00:34:12
Speaker
ah We always go off of data and reporting and testing to make adjustments. And sometimes, you know, we might push something to see how it goes, but it's never purely for no reason. It's never just because we felt like it.
00:34:24
Speaker
um So let's start with ah Rebels. um So ah the the first blurb is interesting. you know Recent tournament data suggests that Rebels are a bit on the back burner right now. And I think, Andrew Oler, you kind of feel that way. least you talked about Rebels in that light earlier. It felt like it's been a bit of a struggle.
00:34:44
Speaker
ah Do you feel like that's that there maybe be a bottom they were a bottom three faction up this point? It's hard to say. um I think that... Yeah, I do.
00:34:55
Speaker
I think they really struggled into Separatist especially, which was a very dominant faction.
00:35:02
Speaker
So I did feel like maybe the data skewed a little bit.
00:35:09
Speaker
And people, I don't know, including myself, need to maybe experiment more with the faction a bit. Things like Wolfwaru and Saw weren't the first things people...
00:35:20
Speaker
gravitate towards with rebels but um couple needed buffs i think and uh i mean the data from the tournaments is going to be more and like useful than just one tournament that we had where rebels won it right so they uh right right i assume that there's a lot more that they look at this is just informative at the very least but yeah i mean um i had I had played um Rebels for half of the draft league, and I had a couple of lists that I really liked to play, and one of them was like a clan-run volunteer list that I felt really confident with.
00:35:58
Speaker
But I lost a few games with that list, and every time I lost, it was always like some sort of like obscure... like bizarre experiences, like a couple times it was more variance based.
00:36:10
Speaker
And then there was a couple of instances where it was just like, I just had like the wrong pilot facing the wrong, like opposing pilot at the wrong time or or just the scenario. Um,
00:36:22
Speaker
I found that like because I was playing more lower initiative, I think scramble was a challenge. Naturally, it can be with with a lower initiative pilots. Yeah, I just feel like they were really struggling as much. I felt they were middle of the pack, but it is enlightening to see that maybe they were a little bit more bottom three.
00:36:39
Speaker
Yeah, that i realized I could go into details about this a lot, but um I also feel like rebels struggle with objectives more than some other factions do. A lot of their ships being synergistic helps with that, but at the cost of an action usually.
00:36:55
Speaker
So giving up those action economy to do a scenario, especially scramble, really hurts rebels in particular. A lot of haters are not going to want to hear that from ah from a rebel sympathizer like the two of us. They're going be like, what do you mean? Rebels have all this sharing and tokens. I'm they don't care. Yeah, but they have to actually take an action to share tokens. Yeah.
00:37:18
Speaker
think, ah well, a big a big thing like Hera and the A-Wing would be such a game changer if she was worth taking because she has no loadout, right? Like that that idea of like, oh, well, they do have to to to compromise to do scenario actions like if Hera was more viable in the way that people wish she would be. it would be completely different dynamic with how ah the the choices you make when you want to scramble, when you want to grab a crate, because she can pass those tokens. I mean, i think we have go down that rabbit hole yeah i think we have a segi right now who is actually better than Hera right now, but he has that exact problem going and that he never wants to touch an objective.
00:37:58
Speaker
so Yeah, and he also is not really there to do any damage. Correct. you and maybe in Maybe in Bazooka Joe's list he he could, but yeah. It's a four point medium base that's sitting out there in one agility. It's like, shoot at me, shoot me. I can't really shoot you. can shoot me.
00:38:14
Speaker
Probably need to. um How do you feel about Rebels, Andrew? The other Andrew? Yeah, I mean, after the points change, I think it's I think that they're they's still going to be in a good spot. I'm very excited with Ahsoka going down to four points. Yeah, too. Even without the the loadout. Yeah. I mean, I think that that's really going to open up a lot of possibilities like for them as well.
00:38:41
Speaker
give them like Give them access to those extra actions. Having you know even her as a force user makes those objectives a little bit easier, especially on you know scenarios like i like scramble the transmissions.
00:38:53
Speaker
where not only do you have the higher initiative, you also have the force behind it too. So I do think that, oh, sorry. Oh, go ahead. Oh, I was going to say, yeah, but I would agree with your assessment earlier too, where they were, they were going kind of all in on objective play as a faction, or you would go all in on, you know, the ship destruction, but,
00:39:16
Speaker
then you would be sacrificing your really your ability to play objectives that other factions would then be able to take advantage of. And I think there were other factions that were better at doing both. yeah So yeah. I think Boudica coming down is another big thing.
00:39:31
Speaker
um i am terrible with Boudica and always get her killed. But there are players who are very good with her. And I mean, Boudica won worlds, right? I know that's an AMG world. That's a very different world. But... um Boudicca at four was viable in AMG, so I think her coming down to four here is very interesting.
00:39:51
Speaker
Yeah, and I i think Boudicca is that high ceiling but low floor kind of pilot for you. um In the same vein, Empire had a lot of people have been struggling
Empire Faction Adjustments
00:40:06
Speaker
with Empire. um People who play Empire a lot have been struggling with Empire, and yeah um it's just kind of a fever dream.
00:40:14
Speaker
to to talk about these two factions like this or or for it to be possible just because they've always consistently been good performers never you know maybe never well in AMG they were top performers truly for the past two years but in terms of just holistically looking at X-Wing and in the history of X-Wing they've just always been good performers like they're reliable and um I think Empire when it comes to struggling with action economy and scenario actions I think Empire um as it has it worse off Um, not, and not me saying that, you know, the whole woe is me. Like we need to feel bad for, for the empire is a lot of things that they can do really well.
00:40:53
Speaker
Um, but at the same time, I think people, when it came to list building, and building something that was flexible across scenarios, I think they really struggled and they fell into some bad habits, maybe just building what they had been comfortable with when XWA points first had, it's like first or second iteration.
00:41:10
Speaker
And they continue to stick with that and didn't explore, um you know besides Gorin lists they didn't explore too much else but now Gorin lists people were started to become on people's radars they started to show up on people's radars and then that gets nerfed so um Yeah, we're we're seeing some pretty aggressive changes to the V1. Grand Inquisitor, fifth brother and seventh sister all get buffs. Grand Inquisitor finally not being five points is awesome. I think that's enormous. I think Grand Inquisitor... Yeah, that's huge....two-force, I-5, pseudo-three-dice gun with that ability is is massive.
00:41:47
Speaker
I have already been brewing with Inquisitor. Yeah, and and we haven't really seen the V1 really on on the fields. You know, it did seem that empires can have been split into these two ways to build a faction. You can either go efficient with it, but then the problem is, I feel you're a little more matchup dependent, where if you are going against like a higher initiative faction, they can kind of have the ability to eat your lunch.
00:42:14
Speaker
um and uh or you could go high initiative ships with the ac play but then you know based on on your matchup if you're going up against some of those efficiency lists or i factions that can really take advantage of having a lot of very beefy ships that sit on objectives uh you're really you can lose out to that and it becomes more of a dice game for empire
00:42:40
Speaker
Yeah, I almost had a heart attack reading. It says the Voltscaris and Darth Vader and the Defender platform also received a loadout increases as well as a point decrease. and And I was like, oh, my God, for them. And it's like, no, that's for Echo.
00:42:51
Speaker
It's like the Darth Vader get cheaper. Like, dear Lord. i i think SL Echo is really good. Really Hasn't really been played around with at all. yes um and i think that's something else to like really keep an eye on going yes we someone someone's gonna break it i think and uh i agree swarm tactics the swarm tactics issue with scimitar one has been at addressed as you know merrick tend to be the ones to swarm scimitar one up i'm a little i'm okay if i don't see scimitar one for a while i've kind of gotten to that point with that pilot yeah
00:43:25
Speaker
and's ah That's one of those one trick double modded, easy double modded torpedo ponies from the AMG days. And I'm like, hey, I like you know and don't need to see it all the time. it's It's just very oppressive, especially compared with swarm tactics or or can be. But um it's just yeah it's the easiest modded double modded torpedo. Yeah, right.
00:43:45
Speaker
that's Yeah. For sure. So yeah, those that's those are the that's the main gist of Rebels and Empire. um i'm really i'm I'm excited, the prospect of being able to take um custom Zero Loadout, Soontir, and Grand Inquisitor for just eight points combined and then still have 12 points to build out. like I want to try a list like that.
00:44:05
Speaker
um that would That could be interesting. like There's definitely more options now. So Vader and Whisper, right? Oh, and i mean I was going to say, i'm i'm throwing I'm building that Soontir with Grand Inquisitor and with SL Echo.
00:44:17
Speaker
I mean, honestly, at this point, SLEco is like I start building with SLEco. Yeah.
00:44:25
Speaker
So, yeah. um Yeah, there's a lot of things to look at for Empire. i i love I do really love playing Empire. I'm a rebel. I'm a rebels player at heart, but I've played a lot of Empire and I've played a decent amount of scum. that Those are the two that I also look out for when it comes to building lists and apparently i'm a resistance player now just by pro you know by default here with draft league so yeah talk about coming out of your your shell getting breaking out of your comfort zone a little bit just a little bit i mean it ended up feeling a lot you know very similar or t seven just a better x-wing like man i've i've been holding myself back having a heroic and extra shield and a better dial and all that is pretty good the shackles are off
00:45:07
Speaker
the shackles yeah right the joy yelling heroic business yeah the joy of yelling heroic yeah and also experiencing the type of tilt that everyone only ever tells me about with finn but actually providing that experience to my opponent um because was like oh he can't be that bad he's at the you know you just shoot him twice and takes damage i'm like wow no this thing is yeah this thing is annoying i could totally get it i totally see it um speaking of uh of of uh annoying well not really super annoying but at least why being
Republic and Resistance Faction Buffs
00:45:38
Speaker
anakin has annoyed me in the past anakin and other chassis did get a buff he got the delta 7 a and b buff um as well as one in the n1 i'm not exactly i don't have the points to reference by my side i'll ask maybe one of you guys to help me out what was the buff for the n1 anakin he was just became cheaper i don't actually know i was so distracted by
00:46:00
Speaker
And have been so distracted by shiny 7B Anakin coming down to 6 that I haven't even looked at anyone. Yeah, that could be a slippery slope. 7B Anakin at 6 is like, woo Uh-oh.
00:46:13
Speaker
But yeah, a lot of the Delta 7s got some love. um And both Anakin Sassy 10 were given points dropped in the 7B. Looks like baby Anakin is 4 and 12. Okay, so not 5 points anymore like he was at some point for some reason.
00:46:29
Speaker
Um...
00:46:31
Speaker
Yeah, let's see. We had loadout increases for the Lats, Hound, Sicko, and Hawk. We also saw loadout increases for several of the Y-Wings. We were already seeing some of the Lats. Sicko is one that I kind of miss seeing. I used to see him a lot more.
00:46:47
Speaker
Yeah. um But, yeah, I mean, obviously providing the rerolls, the passive mod rerolls, um providing it for could provide for torpedoes, just non-turret attacks.
00:47:02
Speaker
really, really strong. And we might see them more now that they have even more loadout. I think the issue has always been with them that they're not very, uh, they provide a lot for their friendlies, but they take up a lot of points and don't really punch.
00:47:13
Speaker
So they need to have enough on them to like Seventh Fleet Gunner is always a great example of of providing the value that kind of negates the investment in terms of not dealing damage because they just provide so much more damage for your other friendlies to provide.
00:47:28
Speaker
I think Seventh Fleet Jedi are very scary and I think very back on the menu. Like a Seventh Fleet Jedi AC. Back on the menu, boys. back on the menu, boys.
00:47:40
Speaker
Just like meat. Well, I mean, it's really been a while since we've seen that archetype. So I'm looking forward to that coming back. viewing e Viewing oddball goes up a point and is given enough to take a proton torpedo. And ah apparently nobody had a problem with the like 30 point loadout torrent oddball.
00:47:59
Speaker
I was like, that's insane. He says so much loadout. It's not 30, but it's close. It's like 24, 25 or something. It's like bonkers. Yeah. bonker yeah he can't get sync chained from anakin anymore so it's sure man please yeah he's got 23 loadout right now that's that's a lot of loadout for a torrent that's yeah he could take prockets and proton torpedoes just so good yes um hey rejoice we were going over to cis as general grievous going up to five my man
00:48:32
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know. 20 loadout, is that's a lot. um Worth the trouble. He gets outmaneuvered back. That's what he does. that's what he does yeah yeah he gets outmaneuvered back but he you know i think we were i'm excited to see different versions of grievous now with 20 loadout it invites variety of different types of builds with him but yeah outmaneuver is probably going to be a staple in most cases how much is outmaneuver impervium and solace one combined 20 points oh is it okay ah well then maybe i'm wrong i'm over here thinking that we could see a lot of variety with him but it's probably just going to be those three upgrades so
00:49:11
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, this Boba Fett. Sorry, go ahead. Oh, sorry. No, I was going to say this is big for for Grievous because Grievous is is one of the pieces that you would see in a lot of CIS lists where you could have Grievous and you could have Dirge and you could have you know, like DGS, um where you would have all these obvious traps.
00:49:29
Speaker
So pushing Grievous up and not being the automatic four point include is, I mean, that's going to change a lot with Separatip. Yeah. And we, we see Boba Fett, Zamwessel, Boo, and Django all getting loadout increases, which I just, you know, how much that actually moves the needle. I think if people wanted to play fire sprays at this point, they would if, if I don't know if loadout increases is going to force people's hand to bring one.
00:49:55
Speaker
Just because I've noticed that there's not a lot of like lower ship count CIS s list, like four or five ship count CIS list. And that's the only way to really bring a fire spray.
00:50:06
Speaker
So um I'd like to see a little bit of more of it. The chassis is just so good on its own. Oh, at best chassis in the game, I think. Personally. Yeah, I mean, it's I think it's hard to ah truly argue against that just because of all the things it can do in its stat line.
00:50:22
Speaker
rear arc three three attack dice or front or it could do both silly um dbs 32c and the hyena bomber uh can uh be your three-point cracking carrier now yeah because they took it away from the hmp's yeah so which um if easier to kill yeah easier to kill taking that away from the hmp's just makes the carrier something you can approach and actually take out faster especially with a uh naked hole um five hole there dbs 32c and the hyena he is sneaky good though he can do he can uh he can coordinate at the start of engagement which is pretty cheeky with things like bombardment drones or uh or just getting lock shenanigans off for your cis so it's it's interesting
00:51:17
Speaker
So and interesting. Cad Bane loses the loadout, so he can't take the Sink Blazer-Procket combo. That was also really strong, and Dirge goes up to five. So yeah they no more four-point Dirge. And Dirge is dead, unfortunately.
00:51:29
Speaker
Kind took the hammer. You know, it's tough because you have a ship that doesn't actually die. or like I think he should be priced at five, but it's also just like tough it's like a four-and-a-half-point situation, right? Yeah, 100%. Yeah, not treated equally to the scum Dirge.
00:51:46
Speaker
um let's quickly get through this last couple and then we can decide on our winners and losers here um also just keep in mind of our time here I don't want to blow through it but I also don't have too much time um so resistance received quite a few adjustments we get elo and temen in the the heroes of hope pilots both getting buffs and merle cobbin losing access to prockets I didn't know merle cobbin could take bread must be Some people were doing it. Yeah.
00:52:17
Speaker
yeah Huh. Oh, I think I was doing... Yeah, I was definitely not taking Merle Cobbin with Prockets. I was like heroic and something else. I didn't know Merle had enough to take a Procket, though.
00:52:29
Speaker
That's just me not paying attention. And then we have Sefton and Zari both getting adjustments. Sefton going up to four to get more loadout and Zari going from four to three with less loadout. Four, 17 down to three, five.
00:52:48
Speaker
um Then we have our Y-Wings. Let's see, the Y-Wings without the config all got loadout boosts on your Zoomy Y-Wings. You can be more effective while Kaz and Jarek also were buffed, so you could see more fireballs again. They used to be more popular. i feel like they took a big backseat for a while now.
00:53:09
Speaker
um And then we see some other small changes. Taka ah getting, i think, is Taka? Taka is one of is the jammy one. The jammy couch pilot. The jammy couch.
00:53:22
Speaker
Jammy couch and Han Solo gets a three-point loadout deduction. Overall, in a decent place, though, according to the XWA. think there's two huge things here that stand out to me after playing a little bit with these points.
00:53:38
Speaker
That is a snap. Here's a hope snap. The wing open one is crazy at four. And the boosty Y-wings.
00:53:49
Speaker
Sneaky good. Like yeah really, really good. remember those days. And as a big proponent of I've always loved them, I have been abusing them pretty bad right now.
00:54:01
Speaker
You may see them in an upcoming conquest again.
00:54:06
Speaker
Don't trap me with a good time. um ah fo Again, the evacuation of Dakar standard loadout pilots have actually filled in nicely for the factions. Just taking a while for people to know what to build them with and and how to use them, it seems. And that the performance has increased.
00:54:22
Speaker
and we And as a byproduct, we don't see a ton of changes. um Hollow has given a loadout increase to 15, while Scorch, which is the evacuation of Dakar TIE FO pilot, has been reduced to three points after receiving public feedback that the card didn't feel up to its four-point billing.
00:54:40
Speaker
And then most excitingly, Nightfall and Kylo Ren in the Whisper both received significant
First Order and Scum Faction Updates
00:54:46
Speaker
buffs. I can only imagine that means loadouts. Yes. Kylo has actually gone down to five.
00:54:54
Speaker
Nice. Come from six to five as well. So there you go. For those of you that were, I know at least one person, Mr. Another Andrew, Mr. Smith, just complaining about the whispers. Let's see how much complaining he's got to do now.
00:55:08
Speaker
Also, shout out to Andrew Smith for just completely missing the events. Just ghosting the event. Just ghosting the events. Shout out. I always love that. ah Yeah, I mean, good for FO.
00:55:22
Speaker
Honestly, Agent Terex and Mowers and Zy's Shuttle also received buffs because, I mean, let's be honest, Zy's Shuttle will continue to be an awkward choice for FO pilots when it comes to list building.
00:55:35
Speaker
they they It can work, but it doesn't ever feel amazing having a ZyShuttle on your list. I think i love the ZyShuttle, but I'm i'm weird. so yeah Well, hey, i mean I've definitely seen it work well, but I definitely i think it's really match-up-dependent thing. and I remember when everyone was freaking about Tyranny being introduced into the game, and that didn't really amount to much because people were like, I don't want to bring an expensive ZyShuttle pilot. I'll take a cheap ZyShuttle pilot, but an expensive one? Oh, no.
00:56:00
Speaker
Thank you. I think Scorch is the one that can throw like five dice in Bullseye repeatedly. It's a little little interesting at three. little spicy. so And Holo at four like four points and then ten loadout feels pretty good too.
00:56:20
Speaker
Yeah, Holo's great. Holo can do some really cool shenanigans. Yeah, I think we're going to see some some more Holo's hit the field as well. so say and Final point though, Tierney just isn't fun to fly against.
00:56:33
Speaker
No, Tierney can, I'm fine if Tierney doesn't see the table. Yeah. As a rebel player, personally. Yeah, fair. Oh my God. Fair. I brought a Hera list, um token sharing list, and yeah, Tierney just shuts it down. Yeah.
00:56:50
Speaker
that's so hilarious like in the worst way your opponent is just like i i like on top of the world that you're just miserable oh my gosh hara can't share tokens with anyone yeah that's sad yeah um scoring overall do anything you know have fun yeah right just not participate the way that you were hoping the whole game um scum in a good place overall xwa agrees with our take on how scum's been looking in terms of popularity and it seems they've been performing well uh you get some significant loadout increases to the ids um i don't know if this is this this has to be the uh yeah this is ab these are the uh aggressor pilots i don't even think i think it's just cis that has access to the rogue ids anyways right yeah is there scum ids in the rogue for no scum no
00:57:38
Speaker
um So that's cool because I've already seen a couple people shout out to Baynight who's really made good use of the IG, ah triple IG list. I played him in Gotham and it was a little scary.
00:57:53
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Those IGs are pretty scary and they now just got buffed. So. yeah our modestly arguably second best chassis in the game is the aggressor because it's a medium base with a great dial and three agility three shields and five oh it's like a lot of health it's like yeah it's up there for sure nine blue maneuvers yeah yeah it's just silly and though that the shared ig abilities are whack like so good yeah um yeah so cad bane's uh ah lost loadout cannot take the laser the sync lasers and proc is just like his cis counterpart and then uncar getting a slight buff so we can get more tugboat love and then the mandalorian and the razor crest y'all remember that thing you guys remember he also flew a razor the razor crest this is a point decrease with a loadout decrease and those are the uh the changes so i'm gonna ask you each biggest winner
00:58:52
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I'm going to, it's easy for me to say winners and losers, but I'm going to ask you to say, I'm going to just make it more spicy.
Points Update: Winners and Losers
00:58:59
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Biggest winner, biggest loser of this points, of this points update. Andrew Kuva, I'll ask you first.
00:59:06
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ah The biggest winner are, uh, gauntlet flyers because now they get a free drop seed bay ah if you have the gauntlet. So if you enjoy i those Mandalorian tokens, then you are having a great time. In know in all seriousness though, like faction faction-wise, i i think I think rebels are one of the biggest beneficiaries of this. I think adding Boudicca and Ahsoka into you know more lists is going to be
00:59:39
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opening a lot of archetypes that we have there. Um, then I think that that's pretty good. And then i would say the, the, the loser for this one is going to be CIS. I think by raising Grievous up to to five points and reducing like Cad Bane's loadout, changing the way that Kraken works and in, in HMPs, I think they're, they're,
01:00:01
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coming back down to Earth. Yeah, coming back down to whatever whatever ah planet they're manufactured on. ah Geonosis. Coming back down to Geonosis. Yeah.
01:00:14
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Oler, how about you? Biggest winner? Biggest loser? Biggest winner is Republic because I think they get quite a few different archetypes opened up to them.
01:00:24
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And I think Jedi are fun, so a lot of people will probably be playing Republic. And I also agree with Andrew. i think Separatists are the big loser. I think everything that they have been playing competitively got smashed with a hammer.
01:00:39
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I think we can agree the biggest loser has to be CIS. They're off here to reinvent everything they are bringing. so They were winning too hard.
01:00:52
Speaker
yeah i want to say my like the runner up for biggest loser and it's only like it's like with an asterisk like it's just like some in terms of the biggest shakeup for what people have gotten too comfortable playing uh the the combo the goran swarm tactics scimitar one merrick juno like quad combo whatever that part of it is a is a big loss over all the changes i don't think his biggest loser territory at all but that part when it comes to like shaking things up and what a lot of vampire players have gotten way too cozy playing that's that's a loss for sure it's a huge deal yeah um yeah i would say biggest winner to me it's i'm waffling here between um you know i think i'm gonna go
01:01:34
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with And I think i want to say I want to say Empire, but my heart says Rebels. I'm going to say Rebels. I think giving... i mean, you look at ah the type of list, a similar list to what um Andrew Oller won our Gotham City Conquest with, and giving some of those toys, and including like Luke, access to more.
01:01:55
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Luke gets now. Luke gets plasmas now. He gets enough to make his loadout and his build it' a little bit more exciting because he was a little... bland when it came to list building with him was just what you put on him he didn't have a lot of choices with a little bit of loadout um jake getting having 12 loadout now it's like procket plus a lot a few other things a couple other things bodica down ah making her cheaper ah yeah i think overall and and then as of course ahsoka getting um and dash getting some love being reduced in overall cost um
01:02:28
Speaker
I think Rebels could could sneak out there and and and perform really well or overperform. And um biggest loser we agree is CIS. And yeah, I think they did a really good job with this. um yeah I know a lot of things that you guys, I know things things that are happening that I could just blow the cover off this thing, but I'm not going to do it.
01:02:49
Speaker
where There's some exciting things to look forward to. If you guys saw the XWA timeline, there's some structural and additional content updates coming in the next couple of months. um And yeah, there's some things to be keen to look out for.
01:03:03
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But I think they did a really good job with this update. And kind of, so and again, slightly stabilizing and inserting a few wrinkles and additions. And just think considerations for players with all of their beloved factions.
01:03:21
Speaker
Yeah, it's ah it's super exciting. I've already been building tons of different lists with different factions. And yeah, I mean, ah overall, I'm really happy with with how these changes are.
01:03:33
Speaker
Have been made. Me too. I really like this update. Yeah, overall, pretty solid. any Any final words, guys, before I sign us off? I was going to say, for all of you Echo players out there, look alive. It's our time.
01:03:50
Speaker
Let's go, Echo. Mr. Champion, anything? No, just thanks for running these events, and I'm excited for the finals in, well, the rest of them, and the finals in December, I think it is.
01:04:04
Speaker
Yeah, and December. All the dates have been ah been chosen now in our in our document, our scheduled document. You guys can take a look at all of that. Be sure to sign up and play in as many of the conquests as you can. The Pierogi Conquest, which is local to, will be local to the Warsaw, ah Poland time zone. That's going to start real early in the morning for us here in Central Time in the U.S. But that's the next one on July We'll probably be sleeping.
01:04:28
Speaker
Yeah. i'm gonna try gonna try something goofy i'm gonna try to play in as many as i can help you guys out it's appreciated please play keep playing x-wing guys but join us for the conquest series progy is the one that i'm on the fence about because it starts at of ridiculous hour but yeah it does it really does yeah it'll be it'll be something The funny thing with that is I'll be in Greece. So like the time zone is actually not bad for me. The problem is I won't be able to play. Yeah, I think you can find a way to sneak TTS in during the wedding. Easy. Oh, gosh. Yeah.
01:05:03
Speaker
Yeah. if Bonus points. If you somehow don't get caught, big bonus points, you would get caught easily because that would be very hard to do. But that sounds like a great destination wedding going to Greece.
01:05:13
Speaker
woo i'm I'm very excited. Yeah. Yeah, that's awesome. I just booked my i just booked my flight to Heathrow for February to go to the Sittsacre Open, but to do a vacation in London and in just like a rural part of the UK before.
01:05:26
Speaker
So I'm excited about that. That's going to be my first big trip in like forever. well Actually, I think since I graduated, haven't done a big trip like that for myself ever. So it'll be a lot of fun. ah Andrew, do you have any ah travel plans on the horizon?
01:05:41
Speaker
Not really. I just moved across the country of Canada and I'm kind of settling in here and stuff. so I still thought you were in like central time.
01:05:51
Speaker
Nope. i I was, to be fair. And then i moved to the coast. So I'm now Pacific. He's now Pacific. He's a PST boy. was say, yeah. So yeah, I would, I would also be done traveling after a move that big.
01:06:04
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. No kidding. Jeez. All right. Well, thank you to everyone for listening to this episode and continuing to support us here at three, one, two squadron. I know we haven't been streaming as much this summer, but we have two awesome IRL events, including the Lone Star open that we will be streaming.
01:06:21
Speaker
We got our team league coming up and more exciting content on the horizon. So don't worry, we're not going anywhere. Just ah enjoying the summer while we're also streaming and doing X-Wing stuff.
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Speaker
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