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Speaker: Welcome everybody to another edition of Cold Blood Conversations. It's your boy Wally here. Johnny will be a little bit behind. But welcome to the new year, everybody. This is the second show I've done for the new year on Speedway Stories.
Speaker: I did Monday night, had my guest Tyler Peters on here, and Johnny did. I think the show went really well. um The month of January on the motorsports side is...
Speaker: looking pretty good for guests and still working on some more guests and everything else for the show. We'll see see how the rest of the January plays out and going into February and stuff until race season starts, and we'll go from there. um Tonight, if you guys didn't notice, I'll drop down real quick. This is a logo I've worked on and sent
Speaker: It's my new podcast logo for cold-blooded conversations and everything. And they he put his touches to it because I'm not very savvy with doing that stuff. I found it.
Speaker: Unfortunately, and yeah, it's AI and everything else. But still, I found that the start to it, and he put touches to it. And I'll have a new one to share Monday night on Speedway Stories that he fixed up for me and everything else as well.
Speaker: But yeah, tonight just pretty much... Talking animals, reptiles. One of the topics I wanted to talk about was the something that doesn't get talked about much unless you're
Speaker: more talk about like for the venomous keepers or anything else. What's up, Randy? What's up, Randy? How you doing? and, uh, their, their protocols and everything else. Plus I want to talk some, uh, about us arc and everything else, what they do for our animal rights.
Speaker: Um, they're right now starting the new year off and four or five States, um, doing some battles with lawmakers and everything else that doesn't understand us for top keepers and, uh, actually just keepers in general, but mostly us arcs for your reptile keepers and everything else. And they, uh,
Speaker: do that to protect our laws and everything. and they help us keep our animals that we love. I mean, yes, unfortunately there's people that abuse, abuse it and everything else that take advantage of that stuff and everything and ruin it for us keepers that actually do good with our animals that we try to educate the younger generation and people.
Speaker: that fear their stuff. So it's just one of those deals that something that we deal with is as the keepers of it and everything else. And it just sucks that, uh, because of, because of people being irresponsible everything else, it, uh, hurts the ones that are responsible that follows the rules, the guidelines and all that stuff. And they, uh,
Speaker: It just makes it rough on everybody to keep them and stuff.
Speaker: And it just, yeah, it's one of those deals. There's,
Speaker: think it was Connecticut and a few other ones that are coming up with new laws that are banning everything from exotic animals.
Speaker: I've been reading on there. There's one town wanting ban everything of exotic, but yet as much as most people don't want to believe it, our most common house pets are dogs and cats are honestly more dangerous than keeping reptiles, keeping our snakes and our, and stuff like that.
Speaker: But yeah, it's one of those that, It just sucks. I mean, that's how how it is. And it's just getting worse. And...
Speaker: on.
Speaker: Trying to look up the one one of the places that it is that it is. It's causing us that and everything else, so.
Speaker: but yeah, uh, honestly, my favorite reptile, uh, I love my snakes. I mean, they're one of my favorites, but I like a lot of them. Um, different lizards, uh, my iguanas, uh, tegus, monitors, any of the monitor family, water monitors, Savannah monitors.
Speaker: Um, I like those and everything else. And they, i mean, they're experienced. So, um, Spares, keepers, everything else. What's up, Robert? Thanks for joining.
Speaker: But yeah, they it just depends on the keeper, the education, the teach everything and learn because you're always learning the process of keeping animals to make their lives better.
Speaker: Some of these reptiles and people are actually keeping and breeding. majority Most of them are extinct in the wild and stuff, so it makes it They're trying to keep it going, and politics are playing a role in it, saying a lot of them can't be done anymore because, like I said, once again, irresponsible people.
Speaker: They are actually more with this, not so much... All of them had feathers come to that conclusion with the to answer that, the feathers and stuff.
Speaker: um I think they do to an extent, certain ones. um If you go through, yeah, there's a few out there.
Speaker: Those, yeah, black snakes are good to have around. They keep but keep your rodent population down, um Robert. That's a thing. But, yeah, it's just...
Speaker: With keeping animals, it's a lot of, ah with these reptiles, it's a lot of special care time. Honestly, it's like kids taking care of them, making sure they're properly taken care of and everything else and that they don't have and everything so that they're, you know, they're properly raised where they live happy lives.
Speaker: um Unfortunately, there's people that Let things get taken out of hand. Some of them take on stuff that they shouldn't have because they didn't do research on them.
Speaker: um One of the biggest kind, too, that has a lot of the issues is like your tortoises, your Salcada tortoises. They start out as the little small, cute little tortoises.
Speaker: Those things need at least an acre to two acres of area to cover and stuff because they can outlive us. They can live up to 100 years old if they're properly taken care of.
Speaker: and
Speaker: But, yeah, but people buy um what they call impulse buying, and it sucks because it's hurting the animals more than there's the people because they're not educated on them.
Speaker: And like I said, they see cute little animals in the pet store, um everything else, so they're making money off of it where it's that way. And it did and like I said, animals are being punished for it.
Speaker: But yeah, USR... on
Speaker: With that, hands and feet, see, um with the big snakes, a lot of that bullshit is folklore stuff. I follow a lot of big snake keepers, like the retics, the berms and stuff.
Speaker: um
Speaker: they With them, it's once again, it comes to being educated on them, on the proper proper education. You've got to understand their body language. they have They have moods just like us, except they show with their body language and everything else that makes it where you have to understand it because
Speaker: that's the way they are. But yeah, big snakes, they honestly, they don't size you up. Yes, there has been reports over in other countries of retics and stuff attacking small kids, mostly anaconda, stuff like that.
Speaker: But it's just, and to answer, if it was starving, honestly, you that person should not be keeping them because of the,
Speaker: what they eat and everything else. This comes back to being properly educated on big snakes. Um, that it's honestly, um, they are the, one of the more experienced type years. Um, exactly. They shouldn't be starving. That's, the that's the thing.
Speaker: Most of these big snakes, they start out small. I have ball pythons. Biggest one I have. She's about five and a half foot bald. Um, She's maybe that big around.
Speaker: Yes, I've been bit by her, but it's because I made a stupid decision with trying to handle her after doing a feeding with the others. um But yeah, with the big snakes, though, it comes over. on Lots of experience, lots of hands-on, properly showed how to handle the feeding, everything else with them.
Speaker: And if you own big snakes, don't try to handle them and maneuver them around by yourself because accidents do happen. um They're not doing it. animal These snakes and stuff, don't do it out of aggression. It's a defensive thing.
Speaker: People think it's one of those deals that it's straight up bullshit. um
Speaker: Most of the time when ah they people get bit or anything like that by their pets, it's because either a They weren't paying attention to what they're doing. Or they didn't properly clean their hands and clothing because it was a feeding day or whatever else.
Speaker: What's up, Paz? How you doing, Bubba? But yeah, they don't have... Everybody makes mistakes. It happens. But then there's, like i said, the irresponsible ones. um There's actually a YouTube channel that need that's been reported multiple times because all the dumb shit that they do...
Speaker: On there just for click views of. Using Burmese and retics and stuff on there. Showing them killing other animals just for the hell of it. Live prey. I mean, yes, that's part of nature.
Speaker: But I would never. Show feeding of a live animal. um That's just something I'd prefer not to. and that.
Speaker: You brought up a good point. This is where I was coming next. Honestly. We have more issues with dogs and cats than we ever do anything of these of the reptiles or in the animal kingdom.
Speaker: I have not. Honestly, i need to. um but they But, yeah, I'll get to that here in a second on my opinion on that ordeal. But, no, with the it's just once again,
Speaker: Dogs, cats. It doesn't matter what it is. If you have them, they're not just pets. I look at them. My family, they are part of the family. um Just like anything. You keep them.
Speaker: You raise them. No matter what. You got to do what you got to do. But there's so many stray cats and everything else out there. Hey, buddy. What's happening? then You're good, man. I'm just talking about stuff about the The differences with all the stray cats, everything else, that's you know they're they're more prone, but people want to take... I'm talking about some rights and everything else. the I told you about on your podcast ah about the U.S. arc, everything else.
Speaker: Yes, sir. and so But yeah, what and people don't want to take responsibility. was Like I said, it's like having a kid and stuff, being responsible and everything. And they just...
Speaker: i didn' Don't want it anymore. They get tired of it or whatever. Then they just with cats. My neighborhood is full of a bunch of stray cats. They cause honestly more damage to our ecosystem than what they're dealing with in the Everglades. Yes, the Burmese pythons or pandemic is hurting.
Speaker: But our bird populations and everything else due to the felines being released like they are, it doesn't help matters none. So, I mean, it but yeah, other than that, I mean, if you're responsible, you shouldn't have nothing to be.
Speaker: Yeah, because the cats actually have um the bacteria in their mouth, everything else. So.
Speaker: oh But yeah, there it's one of those deals. It's just, it just sucks. Yeah. People like me and other people I know that keep keep these reptiles and other animals, exotic animals, they they're they're being punished because of irresponsibility.
Speaker: But once again, you don't see them going after your camp keepers, your dogs or anything else, these people that are releasing them all the time. It's always something that they they're going after what they don't understand. It's back to that fear deal.
Speaker: Like we've talked before, Johnny, you fear what you don't understand. Remember how you me about that? Yeah. Or could I say also, ah fear what you think you understand, but there's more to know about it.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Yeah. and and that's and that And the sad part is that's what a lot of this is. It is... It's just not understanding the livelihood of a lot of these because I've talked to it before.
Speaker: And Johnny, when actually Johnny's first show with me on this, we were talking about this, that people fear the stuff that they don't understand. And it's ah it's taught just like anything else. Most of the shit is it's taught by somebody. It's not because you learned it on your own.
Speaker: do you think Do you think that's what most of it is? That's my opinion on it. Just like hates taught, you know, not liking people is because somebody does. What do you think on that?
Speaker: Johnny, do you think that's what it is? I mean, it's the fear thing because somebody said, oh, I don't like that, so got to jump on the bandwagon. What's your opinion on it? Well, yeah.
Speaker: um What do I say? Okay. the snowball effect, if you will, of once it starts and it that just spreads opinionatively.
Speaker: And then before you know it, well, people are asked, well, if they do ask themselves, why do I think this other than, well, I've heard it million times before. Right. I mean, it's just, and that's what it is. It's just one of those deals that it's like that.
Speaker: And, and it sucks. It's that, it's that way. Well,
Speaker: Not at a to of time, you go back to the root of it in situations like this, and you find that, you know, given all the hearsay and back and forth, there was a whole other side to this to be known, ah knowledge-wise, that wasn't even talked about.
Speaker: Right. and it And it is. it's it's it's Knowledge is power, just like for you. You're doing your your tattoo thing. I mean, if people people don't understand it, oh, i ah well, I don't like it because they can't give you a reason. Well, so-and-so told me I don't like this stuff because it's a permanent thing.
Speaker: Well, educate yourself. What's up, James?
Speaker: and Good to see you, brother. So. But, yeah, I mean, that's that's the thing of it is is it's just one of those deals that it's – I hated it as much as I hate to say it. That's how it is. I mean, so.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But, yeah, I mean, other than that, I i mean, I don't – without trying to properly educate. Then you got this younger generation coming up. Some of them do understand, and some of them because they were still the fear mongrels.
Speaker: Like I've said before, oh, I watched a movie. That's why I don't like them.
Speaker: Yeah. Give it time. I remember – Well, yeah. So I mean and I remember as a kid the first time a buddy of mine, one of my classmates, we had a – it was like so fifth grade.
Speaker: We had a show or tell. They actually, before Ohio had the wall you could keep, they were still allowed to keep Burmese. He brought in, his dad brought in their pet Burmese snake. It was a good 12, 13 foot long snake.
Speaker: I'm the only one because I was curious because you know how they have the iridescent shine to them. It looks like they're slimy. So I ask, can I touch it and see if it's slimy?
Speaker: No, it's just the way the lighting and their scales give off. Snakes aren't the only ones. There's lizards out there. There's even birds that's got the coloration to them and everything else that shows the stuff that.
Speaker: <unk> How do I say? That misconception has to be part of a phobia of reptiles, snakes included. as People look at thelime and the so-called sliminess of them and think, oh, that's disgusting.
Speaker: It's not the sliminess at all. It's just the iridescence of the scales.
Speaker: and Hands of feet. I'll be honest with you, bud. This question, personally on a note, um I've learned over the years. um I'll put it out here just now.
Speaker: I was bullied all the way through school up until my sophomore year high school. I tried to be a people person. and I still try to be, but I had enough of the bullying. I've always had it i've had a calm demeanor to an extent, unless you fuck with my family or with a friend that I'm real close with, you'll meet your grave.
Speaker: But no, i've I've tried to have the calm demeanor and stuff, but there is a side of me that most people were wouldn't want to see. And I try to leave that buried. But yeah, other than that,
Speaker: Yeah, I just, ah this is me. You get what you see. If people don't like it, like I've told them many times before, there's the door. You don't have to be around. I just, anymore, I'm not for that shit, so.
Speaker: that Yes, but yeah, other than that, I mean, and that's the thing with, and what's good with the reptiles. Yes, you hit it right on the head. The keeper has to have a clear head.
Speaker: No distractions because your animal is like anything. it It goes off of instinct. and they They react. yeah So if you're like a dog, we'll do a dog prime example. yeah If you show fear to a dog, yes, i it will buffalo you until its till you' it's last breath, basically.
Speaker: yeah That's their way of showing who's boss because they – It's their sense that they have of, oh, I sense fear, so I'm going to fuck with this person, and I'm going to buffalo them, growl, da-da-da-da, everything else.
Speaker: Snakes, lizards, mainly, my main thing, the big thing is, prime example of close to being a dog is the monitor lizard family, or lizards, period, family. Tegus and monitors.
Speaker: They are actually some of the most intelligent intelligent animals there is in the reptile community. Thanks for coming in, Brett. We'll see you later. Have a good night. Good to see you. ah But yeah, they are very intelligent.
Speaker: They are very, they're Jacob's organ. they're That's why snakes and lizards are constantly flicking their tongues, like the monitors, the tegus. They're picking up scents.
Speaker: They, uh, You can't force force the handling. You can't force them to be. You constantly got to work with them daily. um And they build the trust and everything else with you.
Speaker: I know people that's got lizards. They will sit in your lap all night long like a dog. I follow a couple YouTube channels. Big-ass Asian water monitors.
Speaker: Puppies. Tegus. Puppies. Yes, they'll have their moments. But this is where the body language... Everything else comes into play. You got to understand your animal.
Speaker: Education. Education. That is the key. so But that's on that ordeal. i mean But, yeah, and like I said at the beginning, go so go look up USARC. It is our United States rept Reptile Keepers.
Speaker: Go give them a follow on all social media platforms. Support their cause because not only if they're coming after our reptiles, next will be your birds, your dogs, your cats, your fish, everything. I mean, it's a lot of them right now. do the There is communities that are going after everything but a dog or a cat.
Speaker: So it's just sad to see. it's ah It's a pyramid scheme mindset, right? You start here, and then before you know it, it's all the way down.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Yeah, it's just, it is Well, and and like I said, it all falls downhill.
Speaker: It all falls downhill because, like I said, it's the educational side of things. And you got some of these, but we'll bring this up. I hate to bring up bad shit.
Speaker: But like you said, you get that negative energy on panels, Johnny. Yeah. you get Well, you've got negative YouTube channels out there in the reptile world.
Speaker: um We'll catch you later on, buddy. um Thanks for stopping in, Hands of Seeds. I appreciate it. um Great questions tonight, too, by the way, man. I appreciate that. I love that one. but I got chatterbox asked him.
Speaker: But there's so many channels out there that also that are giving people the bad name. Yes. But there's also educational side. I'm going to throw it out there. It's one of my favorite channels. Yes, the guy may act like a goofball, but he's a young, young guy. One of my favorite keepers of venomous and everything else, gators and all that stuff.
Speaker: And that's Chandler. It's Chandler's wild world. He's on YouTube. Check him out. Um, Brian Barczyk's channel, God Rest the Man's Soul. He's one of the reasons I got into wanting to keep ball pythons.
Speaker: That man's got a passion for what he does. That's one of your favorite guys, yes. And they're continuing on. They have what they call now the Legacy Reptarium. They just opened a new aquarium and reptile zoo across the street in Utica, Michigan.
Speaker: There's Wife and staff and family is carrying on his legacy. That's why it's called The Legacy. um But yeah, Barczyk is another one.
Speaker: He was one that I looked up to for the YouTube. At first, he was doing the the trend of all the other ones where it was originally called Snake Bites TV.
Speaker: It'd be, he'd do videos of his coworkers and himself getting bit by snakes just to get views and stuff. And he finally seen his ways. He goes, man, I could educate people. And ever since then, I followed him since day one, um, became very educational.
Speaker: I learned a lot and I'm glad to see it continuing and on with his family. Then you have Chandler with the venomous side. Um,
Speaker: I can list a lot of them, a lot of channels. Brian Cusco, um, chat talk podcast, dude out of California, man. They've got, he's got a huge ass podcast following sponsored by morph market, which sells all your animals here in the United States with all the reputable breeders, plus in Europe and stuff, you could get three animals from there.
Speaker: Um, but he's got some bad ass, uh, podcast shows he does with some of the top notch keepers in this country, man. It's fucking amazing. But yeah, Bar Check's a prime example of turning a negative situation into a positive to educate people.
Speaker: it i mean I mean, come on. The channel's up to almost 2 million subscribers now in the lifetime of that channel. You tell me that people aren't educated by by them.
Speaker: it's It's the prime meaning of awareness. Oh, yeah. Then you have, like I said, I can make a list. um' I'll go through and make a list and download on here channels for people on Cold Blood Conversations that would love to learn more stuff. and they're gonna Everybody does things a little different on their keeping, but it gets the same results. It's always a positive result.
Speaker: So, I mean, there's always the good of that.
Speaker: So, i mean that I mean, that's the plus side. I've learned so much. For sure. um I've told you before. One of the prime monitor guys, Tom Crutchfield, Kevin McCurley of Nerd out of New Hampshire, that dude is an animal whisperer.
Speaker: I will – next Thursday I will put a link into his monitor training from the day that monitor hatches out of the egg to his adult where he can walk in the cage – that they're in and they'll crawl up on his arm and just sit like a sit in his lap and stuff.
Speaker: you that that The commitment and understanding that takes to, well, let's say reptiles, emotional wavelength, how it might be differing from, let's say other types of animals, being able to understand that and work with it.
Speaker: It shows patience. It shows commitment. It shows passion for your work. oh yeah sure that It shows a passion for the understanding of nature.
Speaker: Yeah, I mean, and that's the thing. it's That's so what he does, and it's amazing. He's very educational. He's very advocate and everything else about it.
Speaker: yeah I mean, he does he does run a business side where he sells animals and stuff, but he also educates in the process. So... Let's say even that, you know, people think that once you get too far into business and the corporate side of things takes over, you can, you can keep your passion while you're also doing business. It's a very fine line to walk, but it just shows how much you appreciate what you're doing.
Speaker: Yeah. And he's one of the few that does it. He really is. He is one of the few. Now that I, one of the top other topics that I wanted to talk about tonight um coming up was the,
Speaker: I brought up about venomous keepers. um what that Most of the ones I go through that I follow, they have a protocol that they got. I actually have a, it's called a bite protocol book.
Speaker: And it's about the different anti-venoms, everything else. Believe it or not, I actually ended up getting one of the bite protocol books for Vipper Day, for the rattlesnakes of every breed of rattlesnake and the anti-venom.
Speaker: that's available for you having these. And it gives you step-by-step what to do. um know. i but Oh, yeah, man. It's freaking cool. It's called Snakebite Institute. It's out of Florida.
Speaker: It's available regularly. You can go on there. It's $2, and you get a binder of whatever class you want of the different venomous snakes. They got Elapidae, Vipidae,
Speaker: um nauseas which is the cobra king the king cobra original king cobra side um stuff like that gives you all the bite protocols the style anti-venom tells you what happens with all what can happen to you if it's not treated i mean it goes through step through step of everything and that's and that's a requirement that a lot of the good keepers have that are keeping these exotic venomous snakes
Speaker: Yes, there's some that there isn't an anti-venom that they keep, but there is anti-venom that will slow down certain animals. For But you'll still have damage done, you know, skin damage, neurological or whatever, if it's caught in time.
Speaker: um
Speaker: Unfortunately, bringing up another sad note. Yeah. Dingle, dingle, dingle, build up an allergic reaction to venom. Because of dry venom on the glass from his animals cleaning and stuff, his body basically became allergic to it like a bee sting.
Speaker: And unfortunately, during his passion, education, took a bite, and the anti-venom didn't work. It actually took his body, took him took him from us.
Speaker: So we lost another ambassador to that was really advocating for animals. Because he built an allergic reaction over 30 years of keeping venomous snakes.
Speaker: I didn't know you could get allergic reaction from venom because it's on the glass cleaning it. I did not know it became a dust particle that you breathe in like basically like fiberglass or anything like that. You know, the dust particles.
Speaker: I did not know that until i started watching him getting educated that he had allergic reaction to venom, but he still loved his passion. Yeah.
Speaker: I always thought, on the other hand, I think people always built up an immunity to it. Some do, some don't. Wow.
Speaker: Yeah, I mean, and he, and unfortunately, he was one of those ones that was the good ones that didn't get an immune immune to them.
Speaker: Because, go ahead, Johnny. i was just going to say, it raises questions, brother. It raises questions on what were the genes, the exact DNA that caused that that to not take hold and not happen?
Speaker: The sad part is we'd never know unless we actually got into the research. You know what I mean? And there's places that are researching this stuff. um The Kentucky wa kentucky Zoo.
Speaker: They're big on anti-venom. They make anti-venom throughout for the country besides that snake bite institute in Florida. um But they still can't figure out why people build an allergic reaction like to pollen to, you know, different things.
Speaker: They still haven't figured out the why it happened with venom. I think me personally, it's just like anything else, like i said, with the dust, because it becomes like a fine particle and you break that stuff up and you breathe it in. And it's slowly getting through your system and your body either a, like you said, can become immune to it or it can kill you.
Speaker: Yes. so Maybe that has something to do with too whether how it enters the body, whether as an airborne pathogen or as a blood-borne um entrance, blood barrier.
Speaker: Yep. I mean, that's the thing. and We never know. And like I said, that's something, you know, you figure people would want to be more research on so others can avoid that situation.
Speaker: Okay. that that's where the research really catches my curiosity. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, I mean, that's that's what it is. and and it' And that's, once again, back to there's careless fucking people out there that keep Venomous, that do stupid shit, there's YouTube channels that it's got a huge following just because they're fucking idiots doing the stuff on there.
Speaker: and it's and And it's hurting everybody.
Speaker: Yeah, it hurts the community. Bad. That's why these that's why politics are politicians are getting into the whole trying to make laws where we can't keep nothing.
Speaker: There's states right now that's outlawed a lot of animals because of irresponsibility. Yeah. I mean, even for, let's say... licensed people that were once licensed. It also affects them.
Speaker: Yeah. Some of these people, this is their livelihood. That's the problem. they They made a business out of this and because of idiots, they it affects them.
Speaker: That's like South Carolina, Alabama, and North Carolina, I think outlawed All the wild, all the tegus now because they've gotten loose. People's let them loose.
Speaker: And it used to never be that way. or Now, that I think I was i would oh mentioned to you and we were talking about one of the episodes is when something gets released into an ecosystem that it's not needed to, um just how much it can it can flip that a whole ecosystem upside down.
Speaker: Right. I mean, and ah it does happen over time. It's not like it's
Speaker: not like it's happening as soon as it gets released. It's over time. I mean, that's all it is. It's an over time thing. With some species, some species breed fast.
Speaker: Oh, yeah. Well, when you got Burmese, they can have up to 100 eggs inside of them, dude. yeah i mean if you I mean, with that situation, um Snake Ketchum, YouTube channel.
Speaker: As much as he's a reptile lover, he's a licensed python hunter in Florida. He just caught an 18-foot female that he found on a nest. 103 eggs he found in this nest that was ready to hatch within the next two weeks.
Speaker: Yeah. So he just took out an 18-foot female and 103, and they euthanized every one of them because of it because of this going on.
Speaker: Which sucks. Burmese are beautiful snakes, but look it's just one of those deals, man. See, here's my point of view on it.
Speaker: Couldn't you possibly take that animal and transport it to where its native habitat even would be? No. They will not let it go back to Africa or any of the other places that it was originally from.
Speaker: Yeah. Because, yeah, what if they take something with it? Exactly. Oh, man. that's just ah That's a horrible thing to see, though.
Speaker: It is, and it hurts them. Well, that's like, too, Florida's got it because they're invasive, the chameleons, shit like that. If you see them, tourists see them, everything else, you're actually supposed to call fish and wildlife, and they're supposed to be euthanized, or a person that's licensed to keep them can have them.
Speaker: But there's so many invasive species because of the pet trade down there in the southern states, mostly Florida, that it's hard for people to keep anything anymore. Here's the thing. We got species that are going invasive where they're running too many of them. And then calling that in check.
Speaker: And let's say it gets called over in check to where all of a sudden it's it's went from overabundance into barely any. Right.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: it's just It's just crazy the way it is.
Speaker: mean, I'm only in my 20s, but I can at least say that from vague memory, 10 to even a little bit less than 20 years ago, ecosystems were different because ah species weren't rampaged and also some species weren't extinct.
Speaker: Well, and that's the thing people don't realize too. When that hurricane hit down, they hit a huge breeding facility. yeah that that you know that That was another thing that happened. um Stuff got loose from it and everything else. A big business in Florida.
Speaker: And you know it happens. But on top of that, once again, it comes back to where I said earlier, the irresponsibility of people. Oh, this cute little animal. And then it gets too big and they don't know what to do with it. So guess what?
Speaker: It gets shoved to the outside like a cat or something. I mean... Well, you've heard of the cases where, let's say, pet stores and things like that. People go let dumpster diving, right?
Speaker: And they find live animals in the fucking dumpster. Yep. Dude, you were a licensed pet kid. What are you doing? Well, that's like my son, the bring up since we're to animals, too.
Speaker: He worked at TSC. What birds they don't sell? they've Chickens? If they can't sell them or they don't take them home, they take the chicks out back and break their necks and throw them in the dumpster.
Speaker: Yeah. And some weren't all the way taken care of. So he ended up the line. He and we ended up with six more chickens at one time. is about a couple years ago.
Speaker: And we ended up with chickens. He's like, Dad, dave that's it's our protocol. He goes, everybody didn't have room and we did. And I'm like, okay
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: That speaks a pretty loud message to me. Oh yeah. We,
Speaker: Yeah, and it's just a shame like said, animals animals pay the price for irresponsibility. The sad part is, is like kids, irresponsible parents.
Speaker: ah fun Yeah. I mean. So, I mean, it's ah it's a what we call vicious cycle, dude. I mean, that's the shitty part of the whole ordeal.
Speaker: Yes. and any it ain't just us humans. It's it's nature, short period. Yeah. Oh, yeah. okay
Speaker: One of the far from prettiest sides of it.
Speaker: Yeah, it's just...
Speaker: It's a shame it's that way. yeah
Speaker: yeah When it comes to that, I mean...
Speaker: you you look at You look at humans. We are one of the main species, at wolves if not the main species on this planet, right? and were the most danger And we're the worst in our own ecosystem.
Speaker: That's exactly what I was going to say. We have we have what was given, you know no matter what people want to look at it as, give it a name or not, the obligation as a species to live on this planet as the prime species and and see it through.
Speaker: um Also, having done one of the jobs of eradication to most species out there.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Yeah, and and it's a shame it's that way.
Speaker: But yeah, man, I mean, that's where it is. it's with ah With the animal side, it's strictly education and good ambassadors for it, man, and people to take the time to do that stuff.
Speaker: here
Speaker: and That's what it all boils down to.
Speaker: Well, I mean, that's the thing. Go ahead, Johnny. win it add your What you got to add, buddy? yeah all you gotta say if you look at species that would normally unless we had intervened be living their lives out in the wild and be a very apex predator in their environment and so when we get them to where they are that's yeah what i'm trying to use here um tamed um domesticated um and then all of a sudden you have generations down from domestication where it just
Speaker: that That animal itself doesnt knows nothing of nature of the wild.
Speaker: Well, i mean i mean I mean, look at the signs posted anymore in Florida now because people feed the gators, and they wonder why people are getting attacked by gators. They're not meant to be for humans, and that's why they're not afraid of people.
Speaker: Right. So that when it comes to an animal like that that's not afraid of people, it it as we just said, it can have consequences. And the animal's the one that gets punished for it.
Speaker: That's the shitty part. That's why they're they're called nuisance gators because people fucking feed them and then they get sent off to hunting properties as trophies because are irresponsible.
Speaker: Here's the thing. People, when they take the concept of nature being um respectively afraid of humankind. It's gone both north and south, polar opposite direction, right? Towards ultimately turned down or hunted to extinction.
Speaker: Why isn't there a happy medium for this? Because, once again, uneducated. That's the city part. It is. It really is. And that and and it it sucks it's that way.
Speaker: you you can You have an animal that thrives in its environment and you have human intervention where all a sudden that animal doesn't thrive in its environment anymore. Right. and And it's just, and it relies on on us.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: But yeah, I mean, ah and then and that's and that's what it is. Hey, what's up, becky Lazy? Thanks for coming. Good to see Dad, brother. But yeah, man, I mean, that's... It is it boils down to animals are punished.
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: And it sucks that it's that way.
Speaker: Well, yeah. You know? Yeah.
Speaker: It's similar to the concept, if anybody's heard the statement, sins of our fathers, right? Why is something else or another generation or another species, let's say in this case, taking the brunt for something that species didn't do?
Speaker: Yep. Unfortunately. That's what it is, man. And like I said, this is where all these these people are lobbying for all these laws or bans on stuff.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: and And it's just, it is what it is. Because up in here here in Ohio, before we had or that big ordeal, you used to be able to keep everything and anything animal-wise, cat mountain lions, bobcats, tigers, all this shit before what they called the Zanesville Massacre.
Speaker: You didn't really have to have permits or nothing for the stock.
Speaker: that That was a sad event. It was. It was that that was fucking heartbreaking. Well, and I did some more digging and found out besides the guy who was crazy.
Speaker: um There was some couple big name people people that did not appreciate what that guy was doing and one of them shut down. So instead of him shutting down willingly and giving his animals away,
Speaker: He turned them loose and the animals got punished for it. And he ended up taking his own life.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Ultimately something that ended one of the worst ways possible that could have ultimately really easily been avoided. Yep. And the sad part is found out Jack Hanna, the biggest...
Speaker: One of the biggest names at the time ah was part of the reason behind that whole ordeal. What? For the Columbus Zoo ambassador and Busch Gardens ambassador. Yep.
Speaker: There was stuff finally leaked out what started that, besides the guy being a little in the head. he He had a handmaid, is what you're saying? Why the guy did what he did.
Speaker: He's the one of the ones that advocated pushing. They said... For him to get rid of that stuff. Because the guy did it as a private zoo. People could go do tours and everything else in this zoo.
Speaker: And years later, it finally got leaked out.
Speaker: How we almost lost our Columbus Zoo because of shit Jack Hanna and the president was doing were illegal money and stuff too. There was laundry and laundering money and everything else, man.
Speaker: That stings, man. I looked up to him a lot growing up. I did, too, until all that shit came out about 10 years later after the massacre happened, and Jack Hanna got severely sick.
Speaker: Yeah, man. He here had a VHS series that I used to watch the whole series of, order after order, time after time, repeatedly. Watched him on Channel 4. He had his own thing from Busch Gardens in the Columbus Zoo that he did educational stuff on all the time.
Speaker: You remember the series called Zoo Life? That was him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they did the TV series, and then, like you said, you get the VH.
Speaker: Yep. he was He was not as clean-nosed as everybody thought.
Speaker: and there's And there's a lot of people out there, though, that are like that. There's a lot of big name people out there that's been drug through the dirt because they're dirty people. And that's another reason they hurt our communities.
Speaker: Yeah. Then you got the ones that are fighting for our communities, but because they were at one time affiliated, guilt by association once again. Yep.
Speaker: yep
Speaker: So, I mean, that that that hurts shit. but yeah it's And it's always going to be an uphill battle, man, with especially on the reptile side. It's going to be an uphill battle keeping these animals and doing businesses with them and everything else because of irresponsible people.
Speaker: And there's so many regulations you've got to go through. There's so many this and that. I mean, it's ridiculous.
Speaker: I mean, I get it, but it's just, it makes it rough.
Speaker: Only at some point, it's one of those issues that at some point, it's going to have such a toll nature and the ecosystem of the world itself. We'll have no choice but to ask um consciousness about it.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yep. But yeah, man, and that's just what it boils down to, dude. We got to get the proper education out there. i don't know everything, but from researching and watching and trying to help spread the good word is all we can do, and hopefully it reaches people, the right people.
Speaker: I mean, To spread the awareness and to help keep things going. If not, we ain't going to have the none of the stuff. um I mean, hell, the motorsports side of things is the same way.
Speaker: We're dealing with people that move in two or three miles near or next door to a fucking track and then start bitching and complaining because of noise. Hey, dumbass, you moved there.
Speaker: You knew it was there. But they're still trying to get... And some places the tracks has got shut down because of it. Right, yeah. And it's ridiculous.
Speaker: Not only is there no appreciation for the practices, but there's it's it's pushing out the practice that exists and pushing it out to where it has no more room left to even function. And that's like I was dealing with at my local track.
Speaker: They built... The track was built in 1956.
Speaker: Nothing around it but farmland at the time. They built around trailer parks around it. People are bitching the noise. Well, guess what? That track's been there before the 60s, so it gets it stays.
Speaker: You know what I mean? it's That track is actually some of some of those people's lives. Yep.
Speaker: But yeah, it's just one of those deals, man. it's Animals are the same way. Indeed. Indeed. Speaking of fur balls. Decided to be sociable tonight.
Speaker: She doesn't want to be alone.
Speaker: That's the thing. That's the thing between cats and dogs, man. Cats, when they want attention, they come and give it to you. But when they don't want to be bothered, they fucking let you know. They definitely let you know.
Speaker: she's She's very much like that. She can you be attention one second and then the next, get away from here or I'm claw you. Yep, or bite you. But yeah, I mean, but everything is that way, though. I mean, that's the thing. It's that way. so well it and It's like we've talked about a couple of times, Wally Brother, about understanding a different species body language, right?
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: And like I said, everything's everything's got a different way of responding. we have to we We have to learn that. Yeah.
Speaker: Oh, yeah. mean, yeah there is, how do I say, I've heard the opinion that, let's say, humans are the the tending species in the planet. I've heard two different sides of that, that it can be a huge help to nature and that, you know, we are that species on the planet, so why care?
Speaker: And I'll be honest, the latter makes me nauseous, man, because it wonder I wonder how far down the rabbit hole that depreciation is going to go.
Speaker: the sad part is it's only getting deeper. we hey hey It really is. I mean, only know... we For all we know out there is there's only one endgame to that.
Speaker: It's not a good one. No, not for not for anything. And that's all around. It's all the around. So, but yeah. You got anything you want to talk about tonight, man? I mean, topic-wise and anything and more other than what we've been talking?
Speaker: ah right I've been just flowing conversation naturally here. I usually have some ah bullet point notes pinned out here, but I kind of forgot to do that tonight. It's all good, man.
Speaker: But yeah, I just, like I said, I brought to the table. um But yeah, I mean, other than that, thank you. I'm going to, I think we're good for tonight for an hour show.
Speaker: um Appreciate everybody in the chatter's box. Thank you guys for your questions. Thanks for tuning in for the first episode of Cold-Blooded Conversations of the New Year.
Speaker: Plenty more to come as the year goes on and stuff. If you guys didn't get a chance, Johnny, I'm going drop you down for a second too. yeah sir. its
Speaker: That's the new the new logo that was created for this podcast. um And Monday, like I said, on Speedway Stories, I will debut the new logo for Speedway Stories.
Speaker: um This is something me and Glick put together. He put his finishing touches on it for me. I found him this picture and everything to use. I really like it. It really sticks out.
Speaker: But yeah, thanks for everybody once again tuning in. Johnny, once again, thank you for coming up and being a kick-ass co-host as always. Thank you, brother. good to be here. You guys get any chance, like I said, go to usarc.com. Check them out and everything else.
Speaker: Get your information. Hit up YouTube channels that I've done. Like I said, next show, and I'll make a list of popular channels that are very educational if you guys want to check them out and stuff that I follow on pretty much anything from Venomous Big Cats, all that stuff and everything, and show you there their side of keeping. They give you your their everyday life, show you what they do for their passion and love for animals, man. I mean,
Speaker: and I love it. It'd be awesome to be able to do what some of these are doing. um But, yeah, just keep keep plugging away. um Follow your dreams.
Speaker: Don't let anybody tell you any different. um It's taken a long time to learn this. But, yeah, follow your dreams and everything else and fuck everybody else that doesn't like what you're doing.
Speaker: Keep doing what you're doing. Make positive out of it. And yeah, it's not going to be easy, but definitely, uh, keep your head held high, keep pushing forward.
Speaker: It may not happen overnight, but it'll eventually happen. You guys all have a good evening. Thank you for tuning in to cold blooded conversations. Um, we'll catch you guys Monday night on speedway stories.
Speaker: And also don't forget to tune in, uh, tomorrow night is, should be movie night with Michael. It's at eight o'clock. Um, Then Saturday is our nonsensical nonsense where we have an open panel challenge.
Speaker: Guys can come up, hang out, shoot to shit with everybody. Usually comes up from the network and stuff and hangs out. It's a good time. Sunday is unnecessary roughness with Glick and Rick.
Speaker: They talk all things football. College playoffs and the NFL playoffs are in full swing. So we'll be talking they'll be talking about it. Usually I pop in in the chatter's box. They're up on Talk Some Football with those guys.
Speaker: I don't know if back to Saturday, i don't know if there's going to be a Cassius Corner this weekend, which I think there is. They talk all wrestling, WWE wrestling and stuff. So if you're a big wrestling fan, tune into that. That's usually at noon.
Speaker: It's every other Saturday. And then we're back here Monday night with Speedway Stories. um I have a guest, Tim Warner. He drives the Mega Truck, Wrong Wrong turn 2.0. He's actually not too far local mega truck racer.
Speaker: um He's raced besides the big names, Dennis Anderson and his sons and stuff with the mega trucks. He's been down to Dennis Anderson's Devil Hills, North Carolina and raced during his big events. He puts on and he travels.
Speaker: He's taken the time out Monday night to come up and talk some mega truck racing and motor sports and stuff and the business side. I'm doing about sponsors, everything else, and what it takes to run a race operation, running megatrucks. So Tuesday, i don't know.
Speaker: I'm hoping. Glick's got Glick's House of Music. We'll see what happens. I know with it being the winter, lot of bands are out doing their concerts still and stuff indoors and everything.
Speaker: We'll see what happens there. and then Wednesday is Hump Day Ha Ha's with Brittany and Michael. And then we're back here Thursday night with Cold-Blooded Conversations, and i will bring in the list of YouTube channel followers, and i will share that snake bite protocol that I have of the rattlesnakes and stuff and give out some information on it and and the location for that, too, if you're in people are interested.
Speaker: Like I said, once again, thank you guys for tuning in tonight. Appreciate you all. Make sure you hit that like, share, and subscribe button. Click that notification bell. There's shows seven days a week, so everybody tune in. There's something for everybody. You guys have a good evening.
Speaker: I'll catch you on the next one. Bye.
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