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Hej Ladies! Episode 07—Joe and Penny Nokes
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In this episode, Calla and Jenny talk to Joe and Penny Nokes, long time high school leaders at Covenant Family Conference at Mission Springs. For nearly 20 years, Joe and Penny served the families of Mission Springs by ministering to the youth and helping to plan a musical with them. For many former high schoolers, Joe and Penny made a huge impact on their lives with their devotion to volunteering at Mission Springs and spreading God's love.
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Introduction to the Holmgren Twins' Podcast
00:00:03
Speaker
Hi there, this is Calla and Jenny Holmgren, otherwise known as the Holmgren Twins, or just Hey Ladies. Hey, Hey Ladies. We have been coming to Mission Springs for our entire lives.
00:00:15
Speaker
So as part of the centennial celebration, we decided to start this podcast to talk Mission Springs memories. We invite you to listen and share in 100 years of what's been happening at Mission Springs. Welcome to Hey Ladies.
00:00:29
Speaker
Hi Calla. Hi,
Recollection of the 1989 Loma Prieta Earthquake
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Jenny. So we're back with Hey Ladies and Calla, we're going to talk about something that's kind of serious today. What's that? The earthquake. I thought we'd talk about the earthquake. Oh, that was serious. Yeah. Oh, goodness sakes. Okay. Right. I mean, it was a key point in Mission Springs history and we referenced it a few times on the podcast and this was something that we were actually alive for, whereas a lot of the other historical stuff we've talked about in the past, we weren't alive yet. So I thought we'd kind of touch upon the earthquake. I also wanted to correct one of the things that we may have gotten wrong in a previous episode by covering the earthquake now.
00:01:06
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Okay. Okay. Do you remember the earthquake? I do. I do. I remember where we were together. Yeah. During the earthquake. It was 1989. Correct. And we were in high school.
00:01:17
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And we were playing field hockey on Morgan Hill. Right. We were in the middle of a field, so it wasn't immediately obvious, except that the ball started rolling on its own, and the bleachers started shaking a lot. And, i mean, we weren't in a place where stuff was going to fall down, so it wasn't very noticeable until we got on the bus and they said they canceled the World Series.
00:01:39
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Oh, right. I remember being on the bus and somebody on the radio saying the Bay Bridge fell down. Right. And I thought the whole thing fell down. So did I. Not just a section of it, but it turns out that this earthquake, which was officially the Loma Prieta earthquake, was just less than 10 miles away from Mission Springs, the epicenter.
00:01:59
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Yeah. So it was actually closer to Mission Springs than it was to us and Morgan Hill, but people felt it. so far away and then a lot of damage happened in places like San Francisco. So it measured 7.1 on the Richter scale.
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I've been in the thing at the, actually the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago has that earthquake simulation thing. The Great Shake-Up or something? Yeah. i I've always thought that it was, in addition to how much the earthquake measures on the Richter scale, it's important like how long it lasts. And I don't really know how long it lasted, but It was enough to do some damage. Yeah.
00:02:36
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Especially to, I remember a lot of damage done to Santa Cruz, downtown Santa Cruz. Yes. A lot of things fell down. And for years and years after that, they just had little they almost look like yurts kind of. Yeah. They didn't have a big buildings. They just had, yeah. Right. Because things fell down.
Impact of the Earthquake on Mission Springs
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Well, at Mission Springs, this earthquake played a major role in some changes to the camp. For one, the windows in the worship center. So in a previous episode, we talked about how when the
00:03:08
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Worship center suffered damage during the earthquake. They put in the windows, but actually the windows were put in beforehand. Oh, OK. I didn't know that. OK. I thought they had been put in because there was damage to the structure. No, that would have made a lot of sense. But no, I think they had actually put in the windows before the earthquake and then they had. decided that they needed to replace them because so many of them fell down. Like during, they shattered and there was a lot of glass throughout the whole winter the whole building.
00:03:36
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So what year did they do the worship center? I don't know what year they changed. I think right before then. Like they had just they had just dedicated it. In fact, it might have had some people going, well, maybe this is why they didn't put glass in the first time. No, it's been fine since then, so I'm sure it's fine.
00:03:50
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Anyway, there was a lot of glass in the worship center, all those beautiful windows. On the side of Fireside Hall, there was a large brick chimney and that fell down. And there's pictures of that that someone took, you know, after the earthquake. So a lot of chimneys suffered damage.
00:04:08
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during the earthquake. A lot of office furniture, enter you know, just things fell down. I'm sure in the gift shop, some of those cups and saucers took a hit. Yeah. In addition to that, there were quite a few private cabins that that didn't completely fall down, but shifted off their foundations so that they could not be inhabited again the way they were because they weren't safe. Right. No, I remember that.
00:04:31
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It turned out there was a lot of concern about aftershocks and stuff like that. So A lot of people decided to sleep outdoors for a few for a few days. I don't know if anything happened with the pool. i don't know if that at that point in history they were draining the pool. Because I remember at our house in San Jose, the pool kind of created a tidal wave during the earthquake.
00:04:52
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Like in the middle of the pool. And it kind of flooded the downstairs of our house because the water came over. But I don't know if anything happened at the pool. I don't, I mean, it didn't disturb the pool structure itself because the pool hasn't changed. at At least as far as I know, maybe it did and nobody said anything.
00:05:08
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It did require a lot of cleanup. There are lots of old pictures from 1989 of people cleaning up after the earthquake. No, I imagine. I mean, i did the chimney at our cabin, at the brown cabin fall down?
00:05:23
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I don't know. That's a good question. I thought a yellow cabin chimney fell down. Oh, I don't know. Because the yellow cabin is different now. Yeah. And the brown cabin was, that was just started living there. so it had. Yeah, mom and dad bought the cabin and then there was the earthquake. And there was the earthquake. And then the red cabin is one of the ones that became new because it's so one of the ones that fell off the foundation.
00:05:46
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Yeah, mom talks about how Cliff Lanier, Cliff and Gladys Lanier, who had the Red Cabin before we had it, right before the earthquake, I think Cliff had someone that he knew who was in the insurance business who he talked to Cliff about getting earthquake insurance and Cliff decided to do it. I think at that point, there weren't a lot of people that had earthquake insurance. Mm-hmm. But Cliff decided to do it. And then the earthquake hit and the red cabin, well, that point it was kind of grayish, but it completely shifted off the foundation, but they were able to rebuild it yeah because he had earthquake insurance. Which is, yeah.
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But now, I don't know, it's tricky to get things like that in places where... Tricky to get insurance anywhere at Mission Springs now because the fire issues and stuff.
Financial Struggles Post-Earthquake
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The tricky part of it was not only the destruction that happened, but there were a lot of financial hardships that came along with that. So they had to do a lot of scaling back of certain things in order to make sure that Mission Springs would still be solvent. you know right So when you think back in the history of Mission Springs, there have been quite a few natural disasters that have really threatened the life of the campaign. You know, i i I think it's just a, i was saying this to Isabel when we were, when I was talking to her about the different fires that have happened at Mission Springs, that it's just a sign of God's providence that Mission Springs is still here.
00:07:11
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You know, it sure makes me think of, I don't think these things can happen without faith in something bigger and in in God, because there's just too many things that could go wrong. So the fact that people were faithful throughout this whole process and Mission Springs was able to become financially solvent again and is really a nice thing.
00:07:30
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um No, I think it is. that The earthquake was pretty scary. I remember it was before the internet, before you just didn't have a lot of information. the TVs, everything, the phones weren't working. We didn't have cell phones, obviously, but the TVs and cell phones and stuff weren't working. and And then the folks in in Santa Cruz and Scotts Valley, yeah, I think they had even more of an experience with that just because they were so close to the epicenter.
00:07:55
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I've always wanted to hike to the epicenter. It's one of the hikes that's mentioned in, you know, the hiking books. Really? I'm not much of a hiker, but there is a hike to the epicenter of the earthquake. I thought that might be, and unless there are a lot of bugs. I'm not doing that there are a lot of bugs. No, I don't know. I'd have to look on a map. I mean, look exactly how the hike goes. Huh.
00:08:15
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Yeah. Anyway, there's a hike to the epicenter of the Loma Prieta earthquake. I think it's down towards Watsonville. Yes. found that way so it's i think so And it's into the hills. It's not like along the ocean.
00:08:27
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No. This is what I'm saying about the bugs. Yeah. I can picture where it is. I just didn't know you could hike there. I guess you can hike anywhere. but Yeah. Well, today on the podcast, we are going to be speaking with Joe and Penny Noakes. A lot of listeners out there may remember that Joe and Penny Noakes were longtime volunteers with the ah high school youth group during Covenant Family Conference at Mission Springs. For nearly two decades, they were kind of the face of that program, the faces of that program. And they are so people that are treasured and loved by so many of the youth that came through Mission Springs during the 80s and the 90s. So it's really exciting to be able to talk to them.
00:09:09
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It's just really neat because they are very important, special people for so many people that were were in high school at that time. And yeah, you didn't go to family camp without just saying, oh, we get to go be in Joe and Penny's group. So yeah, really amazing people. So we're excited to talk to
Introduction to Joe and Penny Noakes
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them. And that's coming up.
00:09:32
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Hi everybody, we are here today with Joe and Penny Noakes. And I know Joe and Penny that you are some people that more than any others were on the list to hear from when we started this podcast about the Centennial. They're like, interviewed Joe and Penny Noakes. So I'm super excited you're here today.
00:09:50
Speaker
Oh dear. We're super psyched to be here too. Awesome, thanks so much. Yeah. Well, one of the first questions we just always start with is what are your first memories of Mission Springs?
00:10:01
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Well, my first memory, actually, I was a teacher, a music teacher in Carmel Unified School District in 77, 78, then Prop 13 passed, and I was no longer a music teacher. So I came to Mission Springs those two years to do sixth grade outdoor education.
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And I did music. I was like the entertainment at night. So that was my first before we ever worked with the high schoolers. Wow. That's so neat. Jenny's daughter is doing outdoor education this year at Mission Springs. Yeah. It's such a beautiful place to do that.
00:10:50
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They're having a great – they're here right now too. They're having a great week this week. and But she'll come to me and she'll be like, Mom, I'm so tired. I'm like, yeah, I know. You two get some exhausting in a way that doesn't burn calories. Except that she's working them up hills and stuff. So probably more work for her than it is for me. And then Penny – I think um one of my first memories, I was, I did visit Joe, but when he did that education thing, but when I came there for um Mission Springs family camp, I just remember, I love the Redwoods. It's my
00:11:27
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my favorite place to be in among the trees and the smell. and I just felt we had four children at the time and I was very pregnant with one more. And um I just felt like it was such a free place and we just felt so safe that the kids could run around and ah you know it was it was a really worry-free kind of experience. yeah Which, you know, if you have more than two children and you only have two hands, it's a really nice feeling to have that. It's even if you have just one and have two hands. That's my experience. I know my daughter one year, I was here and she was with her cousins and she, we were, I was doing stuff around the cabin, like cleaning up and she's like, I'm bored. I'm like, okay, take your cousins and go for a walk.
00:12:15
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And Josh and was also working on Cabin. Jenny was back in Seattle. And all of a sudden they'd been gone for a long time. And I'm like, where'd they go? And I said, maybe i hope they didn't go down to the creek. Well, they probably didn't. And then we thought, should we go look for them? And then we said, no, they'll be fine. And they were, but I don't know. it was really funny. Yeah, it's very, it's a nice safe place for kids. So. So then since that was your first impression, how did you get involved with being in charge of the high school group?
00:12:45
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for the family conference? we were going to We lived in Rockland and we were going to Rockland Covenant Church. and The pastor was another guy named Dave Olson. There's about 20 them mor around. and And he asked me if I would like to. It was like short notice.
00:13:07
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Somebody bombed out. and so Within about a week. before Oh, my gosh. So we hadn't, you know. and And like Penny said, she was pregnant. So that first year in 1983,
00:13:23
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I was working with a girl from church named Donna Palmer. And so she and kind of, you know the group wasn't very big. And I didn't think there were that many high schoolers.
00:13:38
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Later, I found there were probably 50 or 60 high schoolers. 12 of them were showing up, and almost every one of them was a freshman, including Steve Pierce. So, yeah, that that was ah it was an interesting start. I got to help in the the later, the Labor Day weekend. And... You know what we realized after a while, we had we just couldn't worry about those kids who weren't showing up. and We had to make sure that the ones that were, that we could keep them interested and excited and wanting to come back. So from there, it really grew fast. It did. It did. What would you attribute the the growth to? Would it just be your dedication to the kids, the fact that you came back so many summers,
00:14:29
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Well, yeah, I think consistency is always really important so that the kids would start to trust us, to know that we were going to be there again. and you guys probably both know you could say or do just about anything when you were at Redwood Chapel in the group. So, you know, it was a really accepting sort of atmosphere.
00:14:50
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At least that's what we were hoping for and what we worked toward. Yeah, I would agree with that. Yeah,
Creating Community for High Schoolers at Mission Springs
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um, I would add one more thing. she's She's the one.
00:15:01
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um I always just worked on the curriculum, you know, the the serious important stuff, of course. And Joe, he led the music. What we discovered was how important it was for the students to feel like Mission Springs and Family Camp was theirs. They weren't just there to visit.
00:15:24
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that it belonged to them and I think that working on that musical every year was the key yeah it it really brought us all together and gave us a purpose and you know we were able to minister and I think that ah the students could sense that too that we were ministering to everyone else at camp parents grandparents whoever was there and so I think that's a big part of we always do the music at the second half. So I remember going and then you do the lesson and then the music. So it's like it was a big drop to come for the lesson, you know, because you're like, oh, we also want to do the music. And and I know the parents and the grandparents and they just love when the kids get up. I mean, we could have sang horribly. We could. They just love having us come there. You know, they this is amazing. So true.
00:16:14
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Well, what it what i what I was trying to remember was the first year, it didn't go like that because Phil Wise was a big... Yeah, yeah.
00:16:25
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force in having the choir. And so all those kids had to become instant soprano, alto, tenor, bass. Well, there's no basses. You know, Phil was the bass. And was his name Steve Christiansen? I'm trying to remember Steve's name, but man, that was a long time ago. He he was a choral director at his church. And he did the music. And I thought, oh, this is not going to work. Because those kids did not really enjoy being there.
00:17:04
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As far as I i could tell, it was like, oh, do we have to do this? and And so that's when we came up with the idea of, Penny, you do the curriculum now. And, you know, I i was a pretty loose music teacher in that. I walked in and said, okay, here's what we're going to do this week, but we need to write the play.
00:17:30
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we need So the kids, you know, the high school kids were always creating or selecting songs. And probably one of my favorite things that anybody ever did were those two brothers that who played the violin and they played with Alison. Bowman at the time. and ah They did Aliturka, a Mozart tune. It was like incredible. like I think they did that up at the ranch because that was ah like a special day where everyone gathered up there. It was special entertainment. but yes norddens Was it the Nordens? yeah yeah Yes. yeah yeah Those guys were yeah and they are the most awesome boys.
00:18:18
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ah just loved them. we We really have our hearts open to every person, whoever went through that high school group. We just love them. and One of the hardest things for me was when we had like five variations of the name Kristen in the class. I think it was more with Emily's group.
00:18:42
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Yes. But holy cow. It's like, wait, we've got 72 kids in here and five of them are named Kristen. And they're all little blonde kids. So you're like, okay, that's not helping me out either.
00:18:55
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No, and you could, otherwise, you you could also say like last names, but some people, I mean, it's like Carlson, Homeland, you know, everybody has the same last name. True. It's hard.
00:19:06
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We sat in a big circle, one and this was like one of the last years, and i go, there's no way I'm remembered by this name. Because the first thing we would do, everybody go around and say their name and, you know, something interesting. Where are they from? yeah And who was it was sitting next to us? i had said that kind of out loud. And he said, oh, I can name everybody in here when we were done. And it was it was over 50. What was that?
00:19:30
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i do not remember. It'll come to me later. And he did. He named everybody. Really fast. Really quickly. Somehow I think Ryan Clint could have done that too. Oh, Ryan Clint for sure. really enjoyed listening to his podcast. Yeah. It was so good to hear him. Yeah, he's amazing. It's so funny. And it's just so funny how everybody's experiences are similar in some ways and then a little different in other ways. I don't know if that's timing or what else is going on in the world or what else, but it's there's some comfort to some things being very consistent, which I know people so appreciate it about you guys.
00:20:12
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Yeah. Can you think of any other like funny stories from when we're leading? Many probably, right? we have We have too many to enumerate at this time. What was great is when we went swimming during swim time, all high schoolers would go up there and sort of hang out together in their little cliques, you know. And remember Stewie, the bus driver? yeah Nobody could forget him. Stewie got on a diving board and he he just jumped way up and came down and the diving board just broke in half.
Memorable Moments with the Youth Group
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Oh my gosh.
00:20:50
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Scary. it was like, you know, he was he was okay. But I mean, it was the funniest thing. collective gasp all the way around. yeah I'm sure.
00:21:02
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Oh my gosh. my goodness. I mean, there has never been a gigantic emergency at the pool. And I know when my daughter was a lifeguard, I'm like, this cannot be the year there's a gigantic emergency at the pool. No emergencies. Everyone's going to be safe. Safety is the key. I mean, still to this day, I watch people go off the diving board and I'm like, what insurance company lets us have this diving board? Because people are doing some crazy things. And I just go, okay, Jenny, you're not in charge of that.
00:21:33
Speaker
No, they have their parents. I'm going to just have to, okay. Because it's hard to watch sometimes. And if I had seen it have been really hard to watch. During our time there, the biggest show off was Mike Holmland. Oh, Because he was a little older than some of the other kids, you know.
00:21:52
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So he would get up there, and then everybody would try to imitate him, namely our son, Casey. Well, luckily, I think they're both pretty athletic. I mean, that's the thing. Mike's pretty athletic. And so I'm like, just because he can do it, I don't know if anyone else should be trying to do it when Mike's awake. He's been doing this a long time.
00:22:11
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Were there any times where high schoolers were maybe getting in trouble and you had to kind of smooth things over with the parents? Oh yeah, yeah. I think one of the things that I remember wasn't so much someone getting in trouble, but there were two parents who were not sure they wanted to release their students into our group because, well... It was in the early going. They don't know really what's going on. up in that room because it seemed a ah mystery to them. In fact, even your dad one time approached us got Someone had been sick, and so you weren't able to go to family camp one year. And the next year, he was offering to that you guys should go, well could let's go to Hawaii for the week. i mean He was all excited about it And you guys said, no, we're going to family camp. so And then he said, what are you guys doing up there? you We're Wally ball. It was awesome. We're singing a lot.
00:23:11
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We're doing some learning about God. yeah Yes. It's so funny. I wonder what they all thought we were talking about. i just, you know, thinking back to what this thing were saying. We're going to take over the camp. That's it. All those rules you talked about, they're done.
00:23:26
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No more. Rules are over. Rules, what rules? High schoolers are taking over. It's a mutiny. Yeah, that's right. That would be awesome, though. How awesome would that be? You know. In a way, we kind of did because we would move as an entire group. And I'm thinking another one the most fun things that we did was Tuesday Night Boardwalk.
00:23:52
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And we always had a big crowd for that. Were you ever anxious about taking all those kids to the boardwalk and like we're going to lose somebody, you know? we Yes. In fact, one year we did have someone that didn't show up. That was someone. And you shouldn't say who that was. I wasn't going to. but But I was. Yeah.
00:24:12
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We found them. Yeah. They were up the beach, shall we say. Yeah. That's the thing. like It's so funny because I think people, when you go to the boardwalk, people are like, oh, you the neighborhood around there, there are a lot of people there. But I'm like, there's an ocean.
00:24:26
Speaker
Like the oceans are dangerous. Exactly. So whatever you do, don't go in the ocean. It's nighttime. Yeah, it's like always make sure you have one buddy with you at all times. Sure. But, but you know, there was a lot of trust from us on students. We we knew that most of you were very Yeah, you were going to take care of each other. yeah And that was the important thing. And I was really used to taking like 60 kids in the band to go and march here, there, and everywhere. You know, I never really thought about it, all all of the problems that could happen. Oh, well, I sure did. I think think that's probably the mom in me. I can imagine every match there. Yeah.
00:25:13
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let's learn more but That's I think that's just, when I worked at Frontier Ranch one year, we took the kids to the boardwalk because we had a high school group that week. We took them to the boardwalk and they had a team competition. And I said, i literally said, if you don't make it back to the bus at this time, your team will lose all of their points, all of their points. And there were two.
00:25:34
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There were two that didn't make a pack on time. I won't name their names either, but it was a sad day for that team. i like I'm like, I'm afraid. You guys are losers. you thought You thought you had really good leverage too, didn't you? I thought so. But you know what you know what I found? Because there were two kids that were very well acquainted with the camp. They weren't kids coming from other places. Right.
00:26:00
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They had relatives who have cabins here. And so- maybe they thought the rules didn't quite apply. And so that made it a little bit. And I wonder if family camp, that's part of the issue. You know, you have a lot of people there who like they own Mission Springs and they're own Mission Springs. And so yeah there is lot there's a lot of that. And I think that we had to be really cognizant of that because of the other students who didn't necessarily have that kind of connection. We wanted to make sure that they felt that they were a part and So, you know, a lot of things that we did, we we tried to integrate everybody. Because it's so easy when you become a high schooler to just hang with your group.
00:26:44
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You know, just, you know, that's the comfort zone. I thought it was really important that those other students knew. They they weren't other, that they were a part of of our whole group.
00:26:55
Speaker
I also remember going to De La Viega Park and playing softball. Yes, that was. zero But it was fun. Yeah, you know, the year that you helped us, Cala, we did that. I yeah think that was the first time we did that. What did you think? What did you think as an assistant to us?
00:27:12
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Yeah, it's totally different. Like two of my siblings are teachers and I think everybody in my family knows I cannot do that because it's the space between being the student and being the person who's in charge is very uncomfortable for me. And I figured that out. And I think that's something like, I just, I just want to go around and have fun. I don't want to be the heavier, have to do anything. You know, get anybody into trouble or tell on anyone. So I think it's hard, actually. I think being in that position of responsibility, and and we've talked about this before, it's another reason I probably wasn't ever a camp counselor. You're not just responsible for their physical well-being, and like please don't climb a tree and fall down, but also their spiritual development, their relationships are forming. It's a lot of work. It's it's a huge.
00:27:55
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You guys did it for a long time, and I don't know how. like hard we did it from till That's all a long time. Like, it's a lot of work. It was like, at least four groups. Super important to us as a family, though. It was in what we did every summer. We always look forward to it. we i can remember specifically one time we had gone out to dinner and go, okay, well, what are we going to at family camp this year? I just wanted to get some input because our kids were you know they were getting into the high school group, too. and so it was the year that we did um ah Straw Olympics. i don't know I don't know if you guys were there. But we were sitting restaurant and we were in a restaurant. We were sitting around table. What are we going to need? And what are we to do? And and so we kind of made that kind of a family thing. Yeah, it was it was super important to us. It was something we looked forward to so much every year.
00:28:54
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yeah what What happened right after that, Casey took the end off his straw and blew it like right over Amber's or Jocelyn's head.
00:29:07
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And that was the first of event we go, that's great. We're going to get box of straws. Excellent. Casey's in charge again.
00:29:18
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We had a friend who heard about and she said, and I said, I don't even know where, where could we get all these straws, you know, for reason. She goes, leave that to me. And this is someone that wasn't involved in our church to just a friend of ours. And she went out and she solicited big boxes of straws that are in the paper casing for us and gave those to us. had straw casings all over the high school. Redwood. Cottage. Put them all up.
Challenges of Organizing Activities Pre-Internet
00:29:49
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That's going to be an event. It's just amazing when you take high school. I do remember playing walleyball for hours. Hours. And I tell Emma. nobody got tired. My daughter, because she's a volleyball player, and I'm like, yeah, we just have to sit down. And she's like, for hours? I'm like, hours. It's very competitive. It was. And it was really hard to keep everybody's bottom on the floor. Everybody was trying lift a cheek, you know, get to that ball.
00:30:20
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I can imagine that given the timeframe, it was probably even harder to do this job because you didn't have, I mean, nowadays, the resources that teachers have through the internet and things like that are just, it's so much easier. But back then, I mean, putting together all the music and organizing all the curriculum and there's no internet and there's barely a copy machine. That's right. Yeah. Yeah, we were going from ah Ditto Masters to the copy machine. Anyway, one one of the things I really wanted to be sure to point out is all of the people who assisted us. Okay. You know, like... Once we were at camp. I became best friends with Ken Gamblegarden. and Jack yeah and Winnie and right all of these wonderful musicians yeah who just still bless my heart. You know, they're lifetime memories.
00:31:24
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Also, Ellen's brother. Norm. Norm. Oh, Saterstrom. Yes. Norm was always the sound man. Yes. He's so good at it. He put up with so much nonsense. So good at it. I just think it's amazing when you have family camp.
00:31:41
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And I mean, there's a lot of people, but it's not like thousands of people. And yet in that group of people, how many talented musicians there are? kidding. Like crazy talented. Crazy. And I mean, and sound people. The creativity and the talent for me was just like, this is unbelievable. And when Winnie Crew was so wonderful because she would say, what about this?
00:32:07
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Have you thought about that? and I loved her so much. She was so good. she When we went to First Covenant Church in San Francisco when we were in third grade, she taught us the song for the books of the Bible. And so i that's still how I know the books of the Bible. and That's amazing. I despair that my children don't know it.
00:32:28
Speaker
Then we moved to Utah and they were like, how did you learn this? And we're like, she taught us a song. Yeah, she was cool. totally. Amazing. I mean, she was always looked so serious up there because she took, Oh, yes. Okay.
00:32:55
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we were just trying to get something going was david olson's mother grandma olson she was really sure oh yes okay you would you would have known it was her. She was not tall.
00:33:10
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but She was the sweetest thing. and she would i don't know how old she was. She was one of the most encouraging people there. and i just flashbacks with memories like that it's i think we should also mention Dick Greenwood oh oh sure yeah he was he was always wonderfully supportive whatever you need personally for me and then also for our group he was really wonderful director best director yeah he so organized and Dave and Daisy Hepburn just love them Yeah, a lot of energy too. Like I just think of all these people who are just giving up their time, right? It's it's the summer, and but they're giving their time They have all this energy for it.
00:33:58
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We talked about Daisy Hepburn in a previous podcast because she led our group when we were little. we Yeah. we We were Noah's Navy and we had shirts and we sent flans and she'd march us around and. Oh, sure. Ran out of energy. Ever.
00:34:12
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No. No. And and I think that now. Yeah. Cause I complained about how old I am and not having any energy. And I'm like, oh dear. yeah And now that we are older, I think about those older folks and how much they invested And it's just mind boggling. yeah Yeah. All of you guys super cared about us as kids. That is just, I mean, so much of being a kid is just wanting adults. I mean, to know that adults care about you is amazing. Like giving their time and they're, they care about you and it's not, mean, your parents kind of have to, which is great. And your grandparents, but there's all these other people and that's part of a church family. That's part of a denominational family and camp family. So it's, it's really cool.
00:34:57
Speaker
Very intergenerational. That's nice. So, okay, Joan Penny, if I had to ask you, what was one of your favorite places at Mission Springs? What would you say? On the grounds. Yeah.
00:35:07
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I really love Cathedral Grove. I just, there have been some wonderful music. It's a feeling is Okay, so I guess we're going to go back to my Redwoods story that I told to begin with. She grew up in Watsonville. It's right up the road. Got it. It was just a ah warm, comforting, cozy place. and i So, yeah, Mission Springs. and All we did and all all it was to to all of us. And for me, one of the things I really, really loved was...
00:35:42
Speaker
After the evening service, and it was coffee clutch time and, you know, goodies time. All of the people just, you know, it's July 4th, whatever day during the week, but it's July. And the weather is balmy and perfect outside. And people are talking and refilling their coffee cups numerous times And it it it was awesome.
00:36:10
Speaker
And so I really loved the flat for that. Okay. I did. I remember being on the Redwood deck and playing spades, the card game, like all hours of the night. Like, I don't play cards anymore, it became a thing. And I'm like, oh, it's two in the morning. really That happens, too. yeah we I swear.
00:36:33
Speaker
We'd go down there with the whole group. around the fire, several rows back, and, you know, was just magnificent. Yeah, there's something magical about a lot of different special places around Mission Springs. Did you ever feel like little cheated because you didn't get to go to all the services that everybody else was going to? Like maybe they were learning things like I'd like to be learning. Look at her face.
00:37:05
Speaker
Penny's shaking her head. So I was thinking that's no. um Yeah, no I, no, that wasn't what we were there for. so I didn't feel cheated. Did you feel cheated, sweetie? Uh,
00:37:17
Speaker
I didn't feel cheated, but I loved... many of the people that were leading songs and I go, man, I would just love to go sing some songs because we could sort of hear from time to time what was going on. but Well, there were times that we were able to take in the the guest speakers. And I can remember a few of the guest speakers that were really fabulous and owning some of the tapes so that I could listen to all of them later. well
00:37:50
Speaker
As far as 4th of July specifically, because you spent a lot of 4th of July's at Mission Springs. Yes. What was your favorite part of 4th of July? Oh, the parade. Okay, here's what Steve, I keep to bringing up Steve Pierce because he was the most creative dude, like to an annoyance. he He took his white, they look like Mickey. Work gloves.
00:38:16
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work Whatever they were. Okay, so one time, Joe, you're not going to get this story correct. I just know it. Okay. So we usually had an entry in the parade of the high school group. Well, one time we entered our Volkswagen van. that was And we drove it backwards through the parade. Oh, my gosh.
00:38:40
Speaker
And so as the back as the front became visible, Steve had put these work gloves on the windshield wipers. We were waving at the crowd. It was silly, but, you know, he he would dream up stuff like that.
00:38:58
Speaker
That's pretty creative. I mean, and that's for everybody listening in the times where there were not cameras to assist you in driving in reverse. That's right. I don't think my child or or younger people can be in a car now without the cameras.
00:39:13
Speaker
We had to flip the back up and then we had buku kids inside of the van. It was like a clown car. Yeah. You know, how many clowns can how many high schoolers can you get in there? And our brother-in-law, ah Russell, he called our Volkswagen the Noxvagon.
00:39:37
Speaker
another no no So we had Nuxvagon written on it. That's awesome. You kind of have to name those cars because we had a Volkswagen bus too. yes We didn't have a creative name. We just called it the bus. bus I feel like if you have a Volkswagen bus, you got to name it.
00:39:54
Speaker
I think people who had them, I don't know if you can agree with this, back in the day when we had four kids in our family, there weren't a lot of options for cars for families that were larger. And so when you saw people with a Volkswagen bus, you were either like, okay, you're either hippies who are transporting surfboards or something, you are big family. You have five kids, four kids, six kids. So we have a connection there.
00:40:19
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Yes. Yes, and everybody has their seat. Oh, for sure. And for sure, you don't sit in anybody else's seat. These seats are assigned by mom because this one doesn't get along well with that one. And that one, uh-oh, we better put them in the front because they get carsick. I mean, you know, it's just...
00:40:40
Speaker
It's like seating kids in a classroom. Okay. You two? No. We're going to have to separate you as far as we possibly can. Our wonderful sister Emily had to be within reaching distance of my mother in the car.
00:40:53
Speaker
Because when she was a little kid, she caused a lot of trouble in the car. And my mother had to be able to turn around and wave her finger at her saying, you better stop it. If she's too far away, she's going to that.
00:41:04
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I mean, she's a very nice person, but... yeah probably Emily said that the most interesting thing to us one time. It was at the end of class. We walking down the street.
00:41:17
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Just the three, ah Joe and and Emily and I. And she just happened to mention, and I don't know how this happened. i don't know where it came from. But she said, you know, my mom always knows what to do.
00:41:32
Speaker
But my dad has another idea. laughter Always has another idea. We put that on a bumper sticker because that's 100% true. And it hasn't changed. And my dad will suggest something when mom will be like, uh-huh, uh-huh. No, we're doing this.
00:41:53
Speaker
And that's still, and my dad's quote to that is, when did I lose control of the family? And I'm like, when did you have control the Yeah. ever are natural Anyway, I think she recognized that same dynamic going on here. Absolutely. there's And there's something that happens too, again, with families where you just, you know, it's not just a, you're not playing man for man, right? You're like, okay, we have a zone defense happening. And so we got to outsource stuff. My words have to be applied in other locations other than just here, you know, those kinds of things. So.
00:42:29
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yes Speaking of good old Mike Holmgren, I've got to say that something probably almost no one knows except he and I. what I'm going to his generosity here. um He would always come up, shake my hand after we did the musical, and I would look in my hand and there'd be like $100 And he looked at me, he goes, that's just for the kids that are short.
00:43:03
Speaker
Where were we going? You know, Mary Ann's. Mary Ann's ice cream. And so, Mike, thank you. And and the the last year, there was a big kerfuffle about Someone was trying to direct us where we group we were going to go. well it was, I remember that. Yeah, yeah. and And he had three hundreds, and he said, you go where you want to go Here's some help.
00:43:33
Speaker
but My dad thinks two things can fix everything in the world. One is chlorine in a swimming pool. So everything, anything you have poison oak, jump in the swimming pool. You got a cough, jump in the swimming pool. you got um And the second thing is ice cream.
00:43:51
Speaker
So he's like, I'll call him. I'll be like, oh man, I'm having a rough day. He's like, you need a little Ben and Jerry's? ors to manager So that's, that's on trend for him. Like we got to get the ice cream covered. Anyway, your parents were so supportive, and i loved hearing Mike talk about how it was his father who helped get Mission Springs going.
00:44:18
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was Was he in construction? That's... he He was actually, I think he was the chair of the board when they purchased a big part of the area behind Frontier Ranch.
00:44:30
Speaker
So it was when Paul Nelson was, so kind of the midpoint of Mission Springs. So not the very beginning. His grandparents bought a cabin pretty early on, but his dad was the chair of the board. And he was one of these guys that we didn't really know my grandfather because he died when we were babies, but he was a larger than life figure, both physically and just with a lot of charisma and could kind of talk people into anything. So I remember Paul Nelson actually came up to me once when I was working at Frontier Ranch and said, your grandfather helped us buy all this property up here that's now the outdoor ed trails that Emerson takes her hiking through.
00:45:05
Speaker
It was so good to buy it back then. It'd be impossible. night Yeah, no, it's tricky now. So Well, okay. So the ending part of our podcast is what we call shooting the gulch. And it's just rapid fire questions. You don't have to answer them quickly, but they're just kind of quick questions we ask everybody.
Mystery of 'Shooting the Gulch'
00:45:26
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And the first question is, have you ever participated in shooting the gulch?
00:45:31
Speaker
No. Okay. You guys what it is though. No. No. Oh, see? It was a total, and nobody ever talked about that.
00:45:41
Speaker
No, it's not safe. So I don't think we we're not endorsing it and people should not do it. So you probably shouldn't explain it to us at this point. A lot of your high schoolers in the high school group were doing it. did the goal So it's probably better you don't know what it is. plausible deniability.
00:46:01
Speaker
Also that the VW bus was not going to make it. No, you cannot shoot the Gulch in a VW bus. That is an impossibility. Those two things are mutually exclusive. Yeah. yeah yeah I have a pretty good idea of what shoot the Gulch. Right, right. It helps if you're evil, Knievel.
00:46:17
Speaker
Right. A little bit. Yes. I'm going to be honest. Our VW bus, I don't think went over 45 miles an hour. So we used to drive from Utah to California during the summer and it would take us like 18 hours. And now Cal is like, it's only really supposed to take like 12. Yeah. It's so long. Like I would do it in my car from Salt Lake to and I'm like, why did this take us so long? Why did this went over three hours away from this Salt Lake? It's not. No problem. Okay, second question.
00:46:47
Speaker
If at any point in history, if you're at the Mission Springs snack bar at the pool, what are you getting? I'm getting a coconut popsicle. Oh, is those Wonder Bars? that's Yeah, walking yeah good about those good. I've never had one of those.
00:47:03
Speaker
but yeah The coconut's good and the watermelon one's good too. Wow. Like a pina colada at the Mission Springs. Oh, I bet that's good too. Well, yeah, I don't think that exists, but that'd be a great idea. we should definitely do that. I think that that that would be frowned upon. i think so.
00:47:22
Speaker
All right. um If you're running in the mountain goat run, where would you play? I You did? Okay. I did I think I was like, it was when I was young. i was like 33 or so. And I didn't practice for it. i just ran it. And don't know, it seemed like it was about 19 or 20 minutes, something like that. oh so that's good i wasn't way at the end i was like in i did it with a stroller and it was well that stroller didn't last too much longer after that but it was towards the end well that's that's hard pushing a whole other human
00:48:02
Speaker
Yeah, definitely. I think going down the hill would almost be harder, you know, especially that back part by the boys' cabin, Frontier Ranch. It's not, it wasn't paved. Yeah. You know, it was kind of rocky and, but it was fun because I was with other mothers and we were chatting and laughing and it was not hard.
00:48:21
Speaker
That's good. That's good. Okay. Last question. Kala doesn't like this, but you guys taught high schoolers for years and years and years. What do you think the best kissing spot is at Mission Springs? Oh, man.
00:48:32
Speaker
Where did you touch people? Maybe it's where you touch people. never caught anybody kissing. Really? Not one. It's amazing because everybody's kissing in the same places is what we're finding out. I know. I would say... Probably behind the redwoods. That's exactly what I was going to say. Right behind where the fireplace... No, that's the side. No, the back. But the back, yeah.
00:48:57
Speaker
Seems like it would be a... unsuspecting yeah yeah spot. There's no lights. There aren't any lights back there. No, so that we both agree.
00:49:11
Speaker
We're going to do a tour this year at the Centennial, and we're to like, this is Cal and Jenny's kissing tours tour. like um Oh, that's great. Not that I was involved in any of this, but so-and-so's here. put up some signs. As Kristen Lanier said, there's like a lot of nooks and crannies for people to go to this place. I'm sure there are. There are but there are snakes and spiders. Oh, my goodness. Oh.
00:49:38
Speaker
Well, you know, if you get in the hollowed out redwood and sat down, know, so nobody can see your That's freaking Kala of here. Oh, my gosh. I mean, I'm just like, that's to me, one, the critters. The critters are a problem. And two, feel like that's how horror movies start. Like, kids in the woods, sitting in the room, oh, my gosh. Or an episode truck. You see one person get up and kind of look around. Yes, exactly. If anybody's...
00:50:09
Speaker
I just want to discourage all the listeners out there. You know, Mrs. Reese is a very safe place. but Watch where you go around kissing. Except for the critters. Yeah, except for the critters. um There are a lot of critters. And I didn't used to worry about mountain lions, but apparently that's a thing.
00:50:27
Speaker
oh wow yeah I don't know. I mean, not not that anyone's seen one, but there are signs up everywhere now. They see them every once in a while, but I think there's a lot of things around here mountain lions can eat.
00:50:37
Speaker
So I don't think people are really on the top of their list. I don't know. I don't know. I live in a city. i work very hard. No critters. no I have one little small shorty, my dog. That's the only critter.
00:50:51
Speaker
Yeah, then that would just be a snack. I know, right? Kala, do you live in Salt Lake City? No, I moved to Chicago six years ago. So I live in Chicago now. So I live, yeah, in Salt Lake. I was still in the city, but it was a little bit more, you know, Salt Lake's different. But now I live. I i just was going to say, through no fault of my own, I was born there.
00:51:15
Speaker
I know. I remember that. I totally remember. i remember telling, because we lived there when we were little, and then I went to do work there. But I remember you you you saying you were born in Salt Lake.
00:51:26
Speaker
I've delivered a lot of babies in Salt Lake City. It's a great city. is. It's a really nice place. The people are super nice. But here I can get any food delivered to my house at any time. And and my dad is a little bit...
00:51:41
Speaker
He thinks it's super funny. I am on a first name basis with one Grubhub driver. is really nice. And he he maybe brings me dinner at least a couple nights a week.
00:51:53
Speaker
That's great. Wow. so I mean, it's kind of sad because I don't cook, but. Convenience is important. Well, I'm just lazy and a very poor cook.
00:52:05
Speaker
ah Well, it has been so great to talk to you guys. Oh, nice. So good to see. You meant to all of these generations of high schoolers who are now in their 40s and 50s and, you know.
00:52:19
Speaker
getting up there, you know? So much. just and And how many people were like, we just want to hear from Joe and Penny because you made such an impact on their life. so sweet. And, you know, it was like ah it goes the other way, too.
00:52:34
Speaker
All of you are so important to us and we still think about so many of you. I just was going to say that, you know, like you four girls, we had you all through the high school program and I think the biggest family we had, all five of the Van Lars. And yeah they were really an interesting family. So much fun. So much fun. No, it's great.
00:53:03
Speaker
this I was going to say, when you asked about the funniest thing, maybe Stewie breaking the board. you know Maybe that wasn't it.
00:53:15
Speaker
It was Mr. Van Lars. Picking up the donkey and running across the line. trying to do It was one of the games they were playing up at a Frontier Ranch. It was a donkey race. hit the donkey over the line. and you you know The more you pull on them, the less they're likely. and he just got He's such a big man. He picked this donkey up and he ran across the finish line with it in his arm. and he won. It was shocking. and and the laughter was unbelievable that's awesome i'm still laughing about it that was pretty funny yeah i hope that was your that is really funny yeah and you know just all of these memories there's so many that's what happens it's like one you know prompts another one prompts another one and yeah yeah and for sure but uh we're so glad that you
00:54:08
Speaker
thought of interviewing us Because we felt like, well, what can we do to, because we were there for a pretty significant amount of time. Yeah, for sure. And thank you so much.
00:54:23
Speaker
Thank you. We really appreciate Thank you. Well, we love you both. Say hi in your family. Yes. Thank you. And you guys too. guys to Amber's turning 51 next week. Yeah, remember. She's our age. I remember. Yeah.
00:54:40
Speaker
It's real. It's real. It's real. Like, all right. Yeah. So you do think like, okay, how could my child be 24 when I'm 39? I know. Your math isn't that great. We mostly feel really grateful and blessed to be at this point in our lives.
00:55:01
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. And have had all of the wonderful experiences that we've had. Awesome. Yes, it's really filled us with joy. and it's always a conversation talking about Mission Springs. Yeah, it's fun.
00:55:19
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Music.
00:55:29
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Boy, that was fun talking to Joan Penny. So fun. so nice to see them. They look the same. Like, it's like the same. It's like I just went in a time machine and went back. Oh, I don't even want to think about how many years ago. It's a lot of years.
00:55:43
Speaker
It was really fun to talk to them. And actually, once we finished talking to them, Callie, you brought up a story that you that you mentioned after I stopped recording that I thought maybe I'd ask you about because it was something I actually didn't remember. Every once in a while we talk about these things, you remember things that I don't remember. i I'm going to be honest. I didn't remember playing volleyball.
00:56:04
Speaker
I didn't remember playing that. No, that was so fun. And now obviously we can't play it in Redwood Memorial. No, Redwood Memorial really nice now. We should not play any sporting events in there. That was super fun.
00:56:16
Speaker
um it was kind of just a perfect place to do it because you you could i don't think you could do it anywhere else. it's just It was the perfect size place. Before I get to my next thing, I think we should just elaborate a little bit more on what volleyball is because I'm not sure it was correctly described during the interview?
00:56:31
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So basically it's, we put a big net across Redwood Memorial. Inside? Inside, yes. Inside, inside the building. And it went across from the, from the door going into the back.
00:56:45
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And half the people will be on one side and half the people will be on the other side. And you couldn't get up. You had to stay on your bum and there was a beach ball and it could not hit the ground, but you could use the walls. Yeah.
00:56:58
Speaker
Okay. and So if it hit the ground, then, so you're always trying to get into a spot where there wasn't somebody or that they had short arms. I'm feeling like this is definitely a long armed person's game. Yeah. Well, people tried to get super technical about it, but honestly, there was just, that wasn't what allowed you to win. Like, I don't think there was anything because beach balls kind of go wherever it's hard to aim them in certain places and where they come down is very,
00:57:25
Speaker
you know and we'd have the windows open so then it's sometimes the wind would blow you know it was really fun i mean we for hours yeah i don't remember this at all and i i don't know why maybe it was when i was like working with them but i it was out of high school maybe that's when we did i can't remember but it was super fun well if anybody else remembers about volleyball The other thing that you were bringing up that had us all kind of giggling was, was it a skit that happened during one of the musical programs for the high school during conference? but like conference
00:57:58
Speaker
So yes. Okay. First thing I will say is we were in junior high, so we weren't in high school yet. We were also not planning on going to church that night. We were trying to get out of church a lot. we we werere going get a church tomorrow So we weren't going to go, but it was the musical. So, and again, for people listening who aren't aware, we, at the end of the high school week, usually on a Friday night, I think we would do the high school musical that was, um, and it was skits and music and singing and very, very fun. as part of family camp. But in this one, they did this thing and it was a game show. And now that I've thought about it, I figured out what it was. So okay it was a game show and it was called Lose Your Shirt.
00:58:40
Speaker
Lose Your Shirt? Yeah. And I don't even know what the game show was about. But I do know there was an emcee, the person who was, like, the the the game show host, like the Bob Barker or whoever, like, you know, game show host, I don't know, whatever, was Kurt Cywick, and he didn't have a shirt on, i think, and he had a tie on.
00:59:00
Speaker
So he was the emcee? Yeah, he wasn't, like, no. And so and I just remember thinking... oh good because We weren't going to church, but we were like outside, maybe on the grass or something like that. I remember looking and thinking, what is going on at church?
00:59:15
Speaker
Because I mean, again, these are people who used to say you couldn't swim on Sundays. And then it was like no two-piece bathing suits. And then all of a sudden people are at church with no clothes on. Yeah.
00:59:28
Speaker
But that's the that's the extent of my knowledge. it it It was a very big hit, but I don't remember the specifics because we were in high school yet. We're going to have to ask someone who was in that high school group.
00:59:38
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Yeah. what that was about Because when we mentioned it to Joe and Penny after our interview, they clearly remembered about it. Oh, like if you'd seen it, it was very, it was a very unusual situation to be happening at church. Okay.
00:59:52
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Like, but I remember thinking, oh, maybe I'll watch church now. I wasn't planning on going, but I think I will go in and watch.
01:00:03
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Yeah. This seems to be a departure from my previous experiences in the worship center. Thanks a lot, Puritans. Thanks a lot, of Puritans.
01:00:13
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um No, I, yeah, the the high school musicals that Joe and Penny helped to put on with the high school group were, I think, some of the more memorable experiences for people during those years at Covenant Family Camp.
01:00:27
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Yes, and just for everyone's knowledge, we were not planning a coup up at Redwood. The high school group. We were just really mostly practicing for those things.
01:00:38
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That's what remember. were playing games. We did some Bible study as well, so no no coups. We weren't going to take over the camp. I remember Joe and Penny being really nice about those musicals because... That was so nice.
01:00:51
Speaker
Well, yeah, because there were sometimes you're like, I could sing a solo and they'd let you. And then looking back, I'm like, oh, no, they shouldn't let me do that. That was a mistake. call I think there were there are so many musicians that that helped out. I mean, the but there was skits. and It was fun. I mean, I think it was a really fun way to because, as I said, that was a big draw for people as well. And so even if people were like, oh, I'm going to skip out on the lesson, they'd come because everybody wanted to participate. in, you know, the musical and the activities. And it was just all around fun. There are a lot of talented musical people. I mean, that's the I think that's just the craziest thing. You know, I mean, not just, you know, um it's kind of good. Like I was kind of good at playing the piano. Just i mean, but kind of.
01:01:37
Speaker
But these people like are very, very talented people. Yeah. Well, it was really a lot of fun to talk to them and participate in that. And I to be honest, we could have talked to them for a lot longer.
01:01:48
Speaker
Because there are so many different details and memories. I was also a little surprised that they didn't know about shooting the Gulch, but maybe that's safer if fewer people know about that.
01:02:00
Speaker
Yeah, maybe it's more of a, like if you are there not for family camp only, but if you're there... like all summer. I don't know. We'll have to find out what the common denominator is in terms of people knowing about shooting the Gulch. But I will say, if anybody has any great stories or anything or knows about the lose your shirt thing, please let us know because I would be interested to hear any funny stories. Oh, from any of those musicals?
01:02:26
Speaker
And any of the time during the high school weeks. Any to any of those things. Yeah. Any funny things that happened. So everybody listening out there who enjoyed our conversation with Joe and Penny, if you do have memories or ideas, please send them in to us. We'd love to share them with others and get them out there so that people can hear about them. And also, if you have any ideas of people we should talk to, i'm Happy to hear suggestions. We'll talk to just about anybody, turns out.
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Yeah. I mean, it's all just about memories, stories. Great times at Mission Springs. All right. That's it for Hey Ladies. We'll talk to you next time. Bye.