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NWB#99: Friend Or Foe
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On our 99th Episode, Moe and Chris discuss:
- Luka To LA ! reaction
- KD back to GSW & more NBA trade talk (18:37)
- Chris calls a "future" trade involving Wizards & Bucks (28:00)
- Charlotte wins Women's Royal Rumble (50:25)
- Cody vs Kevin Owens Review (1:15:00)
- Jey Uso wins Mens Royal Rumble (1:23:46)
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Royal Rumble Highlights and Controversies
00:00:12
Maurice Green
A lot can happen in a matter of two weeks. Hell, a matter of things can happen within a 24-hour time period. Saturday night, we had the Royal Rumble where Jey Uso and Charlotte Flair returned to win their Rumble matches. The men's match, however, came with controversy and a continuation of multiple storylines. So we'll discuss our reaction to that in the
Luka Doncic's Surprising Trade to LA
00:00:34
Maurice Green
Rumble. Also a monster, monster trade happened in NBA where Luca, yes, Luca Doncic was traded to LA.
00:00:44
Maurice Green
Speaking of LA, special night Sunday to Grammys, special congrats to Kendrick Lamar who swept, and Beyonce who won best album. You go girl. And ah also leaving a certain Toronto rapper figuring out who's a friend of folk. But we'll discuss all the other stuff on this 99th episode of the Know Where's Ward podcast.
Podcast Milestones and Availability
00:01:07
Maurice Green
Hello, hello, hello, everybody. Welcome to a crazy, crazy, uh, this is going to be a fun episode, considering that all the stuff that has transpired, um, this week alone.
00:01:19
Chris Mac
Uh, man, you know, man, listen, this is, this is the type of episode that we have. Like we have a lot, a lot to discuss here.
00:01:30
Chris Mac
And we might be able to discuss more as we record right now. Um, the trade deadline is starting to pick up heavy and, um, it, but man, what a weekend, bro.
00:01:35
Maurice Green
Right.
00:01:43
Chris Mac
What a weekend.
00:01:44
Maurice Green
Ridiculous.
00:01:46
Maurice Green
Ridiculous.
00:01:46
Chris Mac
it ah It's just the fourth day of February, man.
00:01:48
Chris Mac
What a way to start our Black History Month.
00:01:52
Maurice Green
ah Yeah. This is Black History Month. like It just flipped the script on everybody, man. February is just flipping the script. This first for they four days, is man, is just a lot of it makes no damn sense. its It just doesn't.
00:02:10
Maurice Green
Um, that trade deadline specifically that, uh, you know, I, you know, let's, I want to jump into that real quick. Uh, we also, we're like, so we're going to talk about rumble stuff too, but we we want to get this out the way. Um, also before we actually, bro, before we start, just want to get this out the way. Also, um, as always, you can find us on all streaming, um, platforms that have, you know, play podcasts, Spotify, Apple,
00:02:36
Maurice Green
I heart radio those places you could find us on there. um You could also find us on Twitter and blue sky. ah No nw barred podcasts. ah No words barred cast is our Instagram. um As always, Corona mo on Instagram, but I am OB known to this my man Chris from ATL rappers are actors. So just want to get that stuff out the way so now the NBA trade deadline, this Lucas shit. So, man, first of all, I didn't know anything about it when the trade actually happened. I know you had texted me just in big capital letters, just like screaming like, ah, like, and ah
00:03:18
Chris Mac
Yeah, that was it. I thought you were still up.
00:03:19
Maurice Green
That was all, that nah that's, nah, that's all you sent me, and the next morning I wake up, so I look, I'm like, I see your text, and I'm like, okay, that's, ah something must have happened. I don't know what, um but I guess something happened, so I look at my phone, I go on Twitter, and you know, I'm um scrolling, and then I come across a sham ah tweet. Now,
00:03:49
Maurice Green
at first I had to do a double look double check because I didn't have the thing set up to where it was show like my recent tweets it was more like the for you tweets and got to be careful when stuff shows up in there because it could be parody stuff too Um, so I didn't want to be full with that. Um, just, I just don't want to be caught as, as believe in a fake account. But so I had looked and I'm like, all right, okay, this is legit shams account. And I'm looking at the tweet so discussing the trade and like I, it was just in disbelief. I had asked myself, I'm like, am I reading this correctly? Because there was just, there was just no,
00:04:35
Maurice Green
no war through nobody, not even talked about. Um, it was just out of nowhere. And I was just in disbelief about it. And I'm like, I don't understand it. It makes it like, why would Luca, how did like, how did the Lakers get Luca?
00:04:51
Maurice Green
Like, why was he even like, why was he even up for trading? Like, was he even up for trading? I haven't heard anybody talk about, you know, and so,
00:04:51
Chris Mac
Yeah, that but blew me away, dawg.
00:04:57
Chris Mac
Apparently, yeah but it was just for one team at the time.
00:05:02
Maurice Green
ah yeah yeah it I was just confused, man, and everybody was just having the same reaction. It was like, what the fuck? like What's going on? I'm looking at a couple of players, they their tweets about it, and they're like, shit, we don't...
00:05:18
Maurice Green
like Who knows now? like nobody like Everybody feels like they're... can be traded at this point. Nobody is, you know, untouched, untouchable. And it's, um, yeah, man, ah I'm still processing it.
00:05:36
Maurice Green
It's, it's just, yeah, that's weird.
00:05:37
Chris Mac
Yeah, I still can't believe it to this day. oh Like to this day, I'm like, I can't, I can't believe like that.
00:05:43
Maurice Green
Weird.
00:05:47
Chris Mac
The Luka doctors was trading to the Lakers for Anthony Davis.
00:05:49
Maurice Green
Right. Right.
00:05:52
Chris Mac
And like, again, like we were just coming off the high of like Washington Royal Rumble. I'm like, man, it's great.
00:05:57
Maurice Green
Mm hmm.
00:05:59
Chris Mac
It's a good night. Not bad. I can get to settle down now.
00:06:02
Maurice Green
Right.
00:06:03
Chris Mac
you know, you gotta go and chill. You know, I'm playing Xbox a little bit and then I see the tweet. I see the I see the notification from Sam's. I'm like, what? Huh?
00:06:13
Maurice Green
Yeah.
00:06:14
Chris Mac
You had to make sure it was my account first and foremost because yeah, the the the parody accounts will appear on our pod account a lot but I checked. It was my account. I was like, okay, let me check my notifications just to be sure.
00:06:25
Maurice Green
yeah
00:06:25
Chris Mac
It it was growing up. sham sarania that the the tweet the the trade was made and then the quote retweet came immediately after I said, guess this is real. I'm like, huh?
00:06:38
Chris Mac
And then everyone in the discord is like, nah, he's hacked. This is Vegas Hill. There's no way this happened. And then we see the ESPN ticker and we're like, huh?
00:06:49
Chris Mac
This is this is crazy.
00:06:51
Maurice Green
yeah
00:06:51
Chris Mac
Like, ah I don't. i Mean this dude just came off the heels of winning the NBA Finals man. I mean whoa going to the NBA Finals like the Going to the NBA Finals they just came off of that bro like that guy was just there He was a third in MVP voting, you know it
00:07:09
Maurice Green
Right.
00:07:19
Chris Mac
He was he was actually damn near 29 points a game this season. You know until he got hurt. It just moved them off. They move folks like the seismic shift of this trait is so insane.
00:07:33
Maurice Green
Yeah.
00:07:33
Chris Mac
Like they see like Anthony Davis is looked at as an after doll here, which is crazy.
00:07:37
Maurice Green
Yeah. Yeah, man.
00:07:40
Chris Mac
Anthony Davis is like a all he was collateral and he's going to be collateral damage in all that is because.
00:07:40
Maurice Green
Collateral damage.
00:07:43
Maurice Green
Yeah.
00:07:46
Maurice Green
Yeah.
00:07:48
Chris Mac
You know, ah just it it's just it's just crazy, man. you know Both of them were buying property too in their respective locations before this trade happened. And it's
00:07:57
Maurice Green
ah Sick. Sick. I would have i would have been sick.
00:08:01
Chris Mac
sickening, man. yeah Yeah. I mean, I know Luca luca feels betrayed, for sure.
00:08:03
Maurice Green
like
00:08:07
Maurice Green
I would feel too. Cause like, what? the the Nobody buys.
00:08:10
Chris Mac
You can say the same for Anthony in LA.
00:08:12
Maurice Green
Yeah. Nobody buys a 15 million house, a $15 million dollars house, a mansion or whatever, like the week before he gets traded. Come on. What person, if they know they're getting traded, right?
00:08:23
Chris Mac
No.
00:08:24
Maurice Green
Right. It's. And man it's it's fucked up though low key because it it's fucked up because that's just not right. But at the same time, it's like and like it's the business we know the NBA's.
00:08:41
Maurice Green
they don't give a shit like these owners and stuff like it's you know these players you know the players get you know they it's it's a business now nope it is what it is you're you're you're a you're a person that can be be replaced um you know so eat always buy younger talent but it's just this um
00:09:01
Chris Mac
Yeah, it it man this du what this what this trade did was just like like the doors just opened up man.
00:09:07
Maurice Green
it Yeah, it it opens ah This is like the insect a real forbidden door Yeah,
00:09:08
Chris Mac
by Everyone's for sale essentially except for like five names.
00:09:16
Chris Mac
Yeah.
00:09:18
Maurice Green
yeah but but it's just I think for me I'm still trying to process just everything just leading up to it the people that didn't know and ah It's just more, so it's more shocking is the people that didn't know but that it's crazy.
00:09:36
Maurice Green
Anthony Davis didn't know. Obviously we know Luca didn't know ah LeBron didn't know, um, which listen, man, I know there's a player comp.
00:09:44
Chris Mac
yeah No one knew, man.
00:09:47
Maurice Green
Yeah. And All in all, Rich Paul, he knew about, like, it's just crazy. Like, why would you? I don't know, man. If your client is being talked about being trained, I don't know. I don't know how that stuff works, that agency stuff. So I'm not an expert in it. For all I know, it's, I don't, just seems like it's something that's just abnormal to me, man. It's an abnormal thing that leading up to a house so many people just didn't know. And the fact that ah Dallas initiated this.
00:10:20
Maurice Green
They went directly to L.A. like that's like what.
00:10:22
Chris Mac
Yeah. Now, it was it was ni it was Nico Harrison that's skewed out the way. Nico Harrison, Rob Polinka negotiated this deal.
00:10:28
Maurice Green
Yes.
00:10:32
Chris Mac
You know, and they were doing this work for like what but for the last couple of weeks, maybe maybe a month, maybe. You know, in the making and And it's really based on just their relationship.
00:10:45
Chris Mac
Like they're, they've been friends for like over 20 years, uh, because they share, you know, the Nike relationship and you're just having that bond alongside with Kobe Bryant at the time.
00:10:45
Maurice Green
Yeah. Yeah.
00:10:48
Maurice Green
Right.
00:10:57
Chris Mac
And I don't know how, like this is, you could tell that this was a lot of hubris here because, you know, Nico came in as GM with the Mavericks by a couple of seasons ago.
00:11:06
Maurice Green
Yeah.
00:11:09
Chris Mac
um help engineer you know some deals that uh brought in the likes of um Kyrie Irving uh to the team and then later uh negotiated deals to bring it up PJ Washington and Daniel Gafford and turned them into a top five defense that eventually led the Mavericks to get into the NBA Finals uh and I don't know what happened but I guess in the time that when Luca got hurt
00:11:19
Maurice Green
Yeah.
00:11:30
Maurice Green
Right.
00:11:39
Chris Mac
and Dallas played damn have near 20 games without him. um Something must have like came into Nico's mind to say that it can still get something done. We just need some more defensive minded pieces ah and some high level talent because I don't know how you would just decide to just move away a 25-year-old franchise player on the cusp of getting a $345 million dollars Supermax, which obviously that plays a factor into wanting him out.
00:12:06
Maurice Green
Yeah.
00:12:14
Maurice Green
Yes.
00:12:16
Chris Mac
And trade him away for granted, he is all NBA, multi-time All-Star, all-time player in Anthony Davis, but he is 32 now, who also has his fair share of injury history.
00:12:30
Maurice Green
and Yeah.
00:12:34
Chris Mac
And It's going to be one that is also looking for you know, a big contract in his own, right, you know He got one more year left on this deal next season and you would think that ah What would Dallas try to tie themselves to him? What do you try to maximize? You know playing the rest of his career with the mass and what what have to be one day?
00:13:00
Maurice Green
Yeah.
00:13:00
Chris Mac
because what where I see is this man can hold his head down, you know, play hoop, um, this season, the rest of the season and for next season.
00:13:12
Maurice Green
Yeah.
00:13:13
Chris Mac
And I'll, I'll know how you would take this, but I feel like he should just go in his career back home. It'd be a Chicago bull.
00:13:21
Maurice Green
ah ah yeah I mean, that's true.
00:13:26
Chris Mac
I mean, what what else did he's got to prove? He's already got to bring, you know, you know You know, he's he has been an MVP candidate for a majority of his career. He's been and a defensive player to your candidate for majority of his career.
00:13:37
Maurice Green
Yeah.
00:13:38
Maurice Green
Yeah.
00:13:38
Chris Mac
He still will be playing at a high level by the time he hits 33, 34, 35.
00:13:44
Chris Mac
I mean, why not? Shit.
00:13:47
Maurice Green
i Listen, a man, the way the way my bullshit is currently set up, we'll take it.
00:13:51
Chris Mac
Yeah. I mean, they're they're they're sellers right now. But I mean, ah you think they went stiff a crack of getting the hometown boy back home because that's what Chicago loves, man.
00:13:55
Maurice Green
We are. We are. Yeah.
00:14:02
Maurice Green
I know.
00:14:03
Chris Mac
They love their home. They love their hometown players in that city.
00:14:06
Maurice Green
They that is that is very true. That is very true. Yeah, it's I don't know, man. Oh, dude. Listen, I just saying this right now regarding the bulls.
00:14:17
Chris Mac
Hey, it's the Bulls. You would take that regardless, man.
00:14:21
Maurice Green
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I understand, you know, and. Yeah, it's just like I said, I'm still trying to this Lucas shit is just weird, but oh,
00:14:33
Chris Mac
It's so surreal. I'm seeing him on the bench right now in this game against the Lakers and Clippers. It is.
00:14:37
Maurice Green
You know, it's like, I expected to see this and, you know, whatever amount of weeks until the all-star game. What is it? Still a couple of weeks next week?
00:14:45
Chris Mac
Yeah.
00:14:46
Maurice Green
Is it next weekend?
00:14:48
Maurice Green
Not this weekend. Two weeks from now.
00:14:48
Chris Mac
It will be two weeks from now.
00:14:50
Maurice Green
So yeah.
00:14:50
Chris Mac
No, no, it is next weekend.
00:14:51
Chris Mac
Yes, it's next weekend. Yeah, Valentine's weekend. Yeah, it's because of the deadline.
00:14:53
Maurice Green
Yeah.
00:14:55
Chris Mac
It's always a week before all celebrate.
00:14:56
Maurice Green
Yeah. So yeah. So, you know, we expect to know maybe to be on the same team then. Um, but. Yeah, other than that, that's it's.
00:15:10
Chris Mac
He's expected to play.
00:15:10
Maurice Green
I'll say he's.
00:15:12
Chris Mac
He's expected to make his debut him in 80. They're expected to make their debuts for teams um this weekend.
00:15:18
Maurice Green
Yeah, you know, and.
00:15:19
Chris Mac
Hopefully so.
00:15:21
Maurice Green
I think, though, you know, you you alluded to one of the reasons as to, you know, probably the biggest reason the money um Dallas just wanted to be cheap. They didn't want to give him that that Supermax.
00:15:34
Chris Mac
it's It's not the Cuban era anymore, man, you know.
00:15:36
Maurice Green
No, o no, no, you're right. It isn't, you know.
00:15:39
Chris Mac
New ownership. Uh, new, new mo and who knows like, you know, uh, there, there's, there's always like this rumor of, um, like potentially like the owners looking to to move the team away from Dallas.
00:15:51
Chris Mac
I don't think that will happen, but there, there is clearly looking to be a clear shift in the direction and the ethos, the identity of the organization, you know, and.
00:15:52
Maurice Green
I never heard of that one.
00:16:04
Chris Mac
Yeah, this is will be a identity shift in it for who to say it's going to be for better or for worse. But as it stands right now, it doesn't look all that great in the long term.
00:16:10
Maurice Green
Yeah.
00:16:15
Maurice Green
Yeah, man, I just don't. I i mean, doubt Dallas is now the team Dallas has now on paper, you know, it's a serviceable team, you know, as a team that that.
00:16:28
Chris Mac
Well, balance like they didn't really could still get something done in the West.
00:16:29
Maurice Green
Yeah, yeah.
00:16:31
Maurice Green
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. yeah he's there So it's not like, you know, it's not like they, they, it's a, it's a big deal who they gave up, but you know, I don't think so.
00:16:40
Chris Mac
They also doesn't look like they're finishing moving shit around either
00:16:43
Maurice Green
Yeah, I don't think so either, man. I didn't, I don't think so either. Um, but I had to think, but Luca being on the Lakers though, that's, The fact that, and did you also, you know, this came to my mind, I saw it very, it was a very short clip, and I think it was Bill Simmons.
00:17:03
Maurice Green
I forgot who he had on there, where apparently the trade was supposed to be, the Lakers were supposed to give up more. And, and Polinka, and Polinka talked and did not, he didn't need to give, it just, it just sounds so weird.
00:17:12
Chris Mac
Apparently, yeah.
00:17:19
Chris Mac
Yeah, it felt like he got fleeced, right?
00:17:21
Maurice Green
Right, right.
00:17:22
Chris Mac
The way the witness worded that he's my best his own friend. Like, like, Lincoln, that's Nicole Harrison in this in this tree because yeah, they're essentially was probably going to give up more for him, but.
00:17:35
Chris Mac
All they got was Max Christie and what it wasn't even a. Did he what did he didn't even give up first round or did they?
00:17:43
Maurice Green
Oh, I have to look back. I have to look back who they you know who they really are.
00:17:50
Chris Mac
I mean, they gave up substantially less than what teams offered Rudy Gobert, Raquel Bridges, and Drew Holliday.
00:17:58
Maurice Green
Right.
00:18:00
Chris Mac
They gave up less than what we got for Bradley Beale. That shit is amazing.
00:18:09
Maurice Green
That's funny.
00:18:11
Chris Mac
Like I told you, this just really broke everything, man.
00:18:14
Maurice Green
Yeah, man, it's it's. Really, it's. The floodgates are really open now, like, and that's and I feel like even saying that is an understatement um because it's not just the floodgates, the whole fucking dam it broke and yeah, it's.
00:18:27
Chris Mac
Yeah.
00:18:37
Chris Mac
Yeah, I mean, yeah now it opened up to the point that like within the the remaining 40 hours or so of this deadline, we're going to probably see more stars move around.
00:18:38
Maurice Green
It's crazy.
00:18:52
Chris Mac
And like the chatter with Kevin Durant, you know, and Jimmy Butler in a multi-team deal getting done, it's like, it's starting to pick up. um Like the Golden State Warriors, man, like, it's just funny. Like they said, initially they were trying to break up the, their rebuilding process and try to work just your future initially for a quick fix. And they're trying to get the quickest fix possible. um they're They're calling every team for every one of their stars right now.
00:19:20
Maurice Green
Yeah.
00:19:21
Chris Mac
And at the top of the list, it looks like it's going to be a Kevin Durant reunion. They tried for Paul George.
00:19:29
Chris Mac
They've been looking at Bobby Portis too for the bus. It feels like they're trying to get multiple deals done.
00:19:35
Maurice Green
yeah
00:19:35
Chris Mac
And like Evan Durant is right at the top of their own list. a ah if I mean, I don't know. This is this is insane. It really is.
00:19:46
Chris Mac
It's like who thought like a few months ago, what would we expect for this trade deadline to be something that like this chaotic, you know?
00:19:53
Maurice Green
I mean, we always ask for chaos, but geez.
00:19:57
Chris Mac
When it comes, man, we don't know what to do with ourselves.
00:20:00
Maurice Green
I mean, but this is a different type of chaos, though. This is something that just doesn't happen at all in the mid-season between the caliber of the the main players involved in this, the main two players.
00:20:10
Chris Mac
Yeah know.
00:20:16
Maurice Green
It's just, man. Man, it's ah, man. It's just weird times, man. We're we're and we're in weird times. We're in weird times right now in the NBA. But um but if anything, the conditioning was an issue. That ain't going to be an issue in LA.
00:20:39
Maurice Green
um I think Luca, even at the press conference, at least whatever I saw of it earlier, um you know he's he's aware of the stuff that was said.
00:20:49
Maurice Green
like And he's he's motivated.
00:20:50
Chris Mac
Yeah.
00:20:52
Maurice Green
And LeBron, listen, man, I don't care who you are, at what point in your career in the NBA, if you have the opportunity
00:20:53
Chris Mac
He's going to be ready to work, man. I can already tell.
00:21:05
Maurice Green
to play along on the same team as LeBron James. You are guaranteed to be put into a training regimen.
00:21:19
Maurice Green
that is going that that is going to mirror what LeBron wants out of you. Luca is going to be in shape. And the crazy thing, and you and you brought it up to me before we recorded, but it's this it's but you're right, though.
00:21:34
Maurice Green
It's funny as as they try to make it look as if he's been so like out of shape. This motherfucker is still like killing people on the court.
00:21:42
Chris Mac
Yeah, they acted like he's 300 pounds, man.
00:21:44
Maurice Green
And he's still killing people on the court, still putting up crazy numbers. It's like, that's why I feel like that the whole conditioning shit I felt was bullshit.
00:21:55
Chris Mac
It was bullshit.
00:21:56
Maurice Green
Because it's like because like, dog, what is he doing on the court? is He is is doesn't select that shit as hampering his his ability to do what he has to do on the court. So it's like, what's the problem?
00:22:07
Chris Mac
He's winning games.
00:22:07
Maurice Green
So that's, yeah, right, right, right.
00:22:10
Chris Mac
Make your teammates better. I know. Now he's going to like he's going to make all series like look look great again.
00:22:18
Maurice Green
They're going to be like, it's going to work out.
00:22:20
Chris Mac
like Like that's the back court. The future right now for the Lakers.
00:22:23
Maurice Green
It's going to work out. I think it's going to work out fine. Specifically that like Luca, like the main thing that people I've heard
00:22:31
Chris Mac
It takes a lot of pressure off of the broad like it from a basketball standpoint, a lot of the pressures off of him.
00:22:32
Maurice Green
It that too, that too, that's the important part. That's the important part because I was, somebody had brought it up as far as like, well, what they're going to do as far as like, who's going to bring the rock up? You know, bring bring the ball up.
00:22:44
Maurice Green
You're like, Luca could do that. Like LeBron doesn't have, yeah.
00:22:46
Chris Mac
It's all Luca like Brock and just close.
00:22:47
Maurice Green
Like Luca could do that. That's it. That's it, man. Like this is, this is, don't, don't, don't.
00:22:55
Chris Mac
That was the intention with AD. That was the intention with the whole AB parent. Like Brown was going to be closing it within those four or five years they played together.
00:22:58
Maurice Green
That's right. Yes. Yes. Yep. you
00:23:04
Chris Mac
That was not the case.
00:23:05
Maurice Green
No, no, no. They got a title out of it, though. So that's that's that was the saving grace, the fact that they got a title out of it.
00:23:09
Chris Mac
Yeah.
00:23:14
Maurice Green
um If they didn't get a title out of it, then shoo. Let me see.
00:23:19
Chris Mac
Yeah, a little bit rough.
00:23:19
Maurice Green
Do you think it would have been that much of a big deal if the Lakers didn't win a title with 80 on there with him being traded?
00:23:29
Chris Mac
Because he won the title, he's he's a legend in their eyes forever.
00:23:34
Maurice Green
Yeah.
00:23:34
Chris Mac
um But yeah, if they if they wouldn't got it done, man, it would have been.
00:23:38
Maurice Green
would that Would this trade would have happened if, I don't know.
00:23:39
Chris Mac
I mean, look at what what was going on with the Clippers and Paul George. I mean, yeah, it probably would have been a disappointment, but
00:23:43
Maurice Green
Yeah.
00:23:46
Maurice Green
Yeah.
00:23:47
Chris Mac
he he gave He gave out 110% every night. Cannot fault that. You know, injuries be damned. I mean, it's it's a part of him. It's going to happen.
00:23:57
Chris Mac
But he was balling every night when he could, physically. Again, he won he won a ring with him in LeBron.
00:24:04
Maurice Green
Yeah.
00:24:07
Chris Mac
ah He is going to be revered in LA for life. Like, when they come when the Mavericks come to LA on the 25th of this month,
00:24:16
Maurice Green
Mm hmm.
00:24:17
Chris Mac
He's going to get the uh uh a standard ovation like anything else. You know, I know that I know they're already working on the tribute video for him.
00:24:24
Maurice Green
Yeah.
00:24:25
Chris Mac
Um you know and likewise for Luca in Dallas uh but I feel like it's going to be a very tumultuous atmosphere but you know it's going to be very per Luca but man it's going to be like eerily intense like with Clay when he returned to um the Chase Center you know and
00:24:29
Maurice Green
Yeah.
00:24:43
Maurice Green
yeah
00:24:46
Maurice Green
But you know.
00:24:47
Chris Mac
But I really feel, I feel for Bronnie, man. I'm like, I'm in a good way.
00:24:51
Maurice Green
Yeah, well.
00:24:51
Chris Mac
I'm like, yo, this nigga's lucky as hell. He get to learn from his dad and Luca Daunches to play the point like dog.
00:25:01
Chris Mac
He like.
00:25:01
Maurice Green
You know, did you know the expectation, though, because of that, like the expectation is only going to go higher for him but because of the fact that you're playing with.
00:25:11
Maurice Green
um Two all-time, two, an all-time, a current all-time great and a future all-time great. that If he keeps on going. And he wins the title too. Gotta win the title, Luca.
00:25:11
Chris Mac
You're playing like like you you you have to be good.
00:25:21
Maurice Green
So, can't get, yeah.
00:25:23
Chris Mac
so They they they have to win. It it it may not be this season but they're definitely they definitely should win one with Luca at the helm and I feel like they they will they they they will because he's that transformational as a player.
00:25:26
Maurice Green
No, no, I'm not banking on that, no. Yeah, yeah.
00:25:36
Maurice Green
Listen, a man, that and I always,
00:25:39
Chris Mac
We've seen it with our own eyes. I keep carrying these damn math teams to great heights.
00:25:43
Maurice Green
that that and That and I always have it. This always been my conspiracy theory because but now the NBA going to make sure that Major Mark is a good man. The NBA going to make sure Boston is good.
00:25:54
Chris Mac
Oh, yeah. Look at the Knicks, man. Knicks.
00:25:58
Maurice Green
Hey. a Hey.
00:25:59
Chris Mac
Whoo.
00:26:01
Maurice Green
Hey.
00:26:03
Chris Mac
That's why I said, I mean, Chicago, like 80, 80 to Chicago, like that could be a very real thing.
00:26:03
Maurice Green
Man.
00:26:08
Maurice Green
That's.
00:26:09
Chris Mac
I mean, he may be option number three by that point, but y'all might have another star with him. Who knows?
00:26:14
Maurice Green
hey lets The way he've been talking way he was talking in that clip yesterday about he wants all the international players to go to major markets and stuff like that.
00:26:19
Chris Mac
Yeah.
00:26:23
Maurice Green
Now, obviously, there you know Chicago, yes, it is a major market. but and and i'm just And I'm really speaking from a you know ah ah one in a million chance, I feel like.
00:26:35
Maurice Green
But then again, it's like, well, fuck it. I don't even know if it's one in a million anymore. um Nobody expected Luca to be traded to Lakers. so but So, I mean, but no, but seriously, though, I'd like to be honest is common.
00:26:50
Maurice Green
So they're funny. But yeah, we but we all know, though, he wants to get the hell out of Milwaukee anyway. So um so that's that's that's one of the more like obvious things, like, yeah, he's ready to move on from there.
00:26:57
Chris Mac
Yeah. Yeah, he won't be ready to go.
00:27:05
Maurice Green
And now I know there's other big cities.
00:27:06
Chris Mac
Apparently, I was listening to one of the ringer podcast about that the Bucks, they played Memphis over the weekend and they blew a lead. They lost and after the game, like Gaunis was just staring into the abyss on the court.
00:27:25
Maurice Green
Hmm.
00:27:26
Chris Mac
that was hands on the chest, the hands, the hands sort of hip to stare into the abyss like looking up like you can't believe his situation right now. This has been such a weird year for Milwaukee. He won the NBA Cup, man.
00:27:36
Maurice Green
Yeah.
00:27:38
Chris Mac
It it their season only got worse after that.
00:27:38
Maurice Green
It feels like I was about to say, I was about to say, I'm like, wait, yeah, they did win the NBA cup and they did go on a little, they did go on a little like a winning streak, you know, sort of, you know, for a while too around that time, but
00:27:54
Maurice Green
I mean, I forgot about that. They even listen, this is terrible. That's terrible. I already forgot about that. Like I forgot that they won. Damn, that's crazy.
00:27:54
Chris Mac
Yeah.
00:28:03
Chris Mac
It's crazy, man.
00:28:04
Maurice Green
That's, that's insane.
00:28:05
Maurice Green
You know, no, no, no.
00:28:06
Chris Mac
Yeah, they don't they don't have a chance.
00:28:08
Chris Mac
But and speaking of them right now, they're potentially bringing in Kyle Kuzma in a trade.
00:28:15
Maurice Green
Your boy.
00:28:18
Chris Mac
Chris Middleton. That's that's that's the news happening. I'm seeing right now that that that it's starting to pick up.
00:28:22
Maurice Green
Amen.
00:28:24
Chris Mac
It's getting close for a deal like that. I'm with it. Like if we could get a second rounder and and Chris Middleton
00:28:26
Maurice Green
I know you before.
00:28:31
Chris Mac
Uh, I'll take it like a constant professional. That's another veteran to bring in and he won't really take up the minutes of the young guys that we have. Uh, but yeah, he, he will likely be a starter or he could come off the bench.
00:28:40
Maurice Green
Yeah.
00:28:44
Chris Mac
I mean, he's been playing the six man role lately. Uh, and that dude is going to end up when he does three more games for sure. Uh, but I mean, if he could play himself back into shape and to form, that's going to be the goal here, um, with less pressure.
00:28:52
Maurice Green
Yeah.
00:29:01
Chris Mac
He doesn't really have to really take a drill team that is still Jordan Steen. Um, overall, he could play himself back into health. You can find a better deal elsewhere in the summer.
00:29:11
Chris Mac
You know what I mean?
00:29:11
Maurice Green
yeah
00:29:12
Chris Mac
So, cause he has another, I believe he has another year left on his contract as well. Um, and Michael, he could get, you know, he, we could find him, find a, find a suitor for him over the summer, you know, cause this is going to be a rehab for him for the next six months.
00:29:23
Maurice Green
Yeah.
00:29:26
Chris Mac
Um, but. The other deal that I hear for the Wizards is Jonas Foul and Tunis for use of Nurkage. And for you know as far as the center goes, I can't really consider that a downgrade because of the state that my team is in. But yeah, Foul and Tunis is a better center right now. He's been having an overall better season oh from Nurkage. Even though they're both are the best known to the fists of monsters of their career,
00:29:58
Chris Mac
He is a little more agile than what Turkish was is at this point. But I mean, I don't really consider it be any drop off if you bring in Turkish for Val because he will still be playing that that backup role for Alex are and he could still provide give you 15 rebounds or 12 rebounds every once in a while.
00:30:15
Maurice Green
Yeah.
00:30:22
Chris Mac
But yeah, I mean, he's not going to be stopping anyone. But at the same time, because of their federal presence,
00:30:28
Maurice Green
Yeah.
00:30:29
Chris Mac
And I mean, they're professionals. they're They're capable of knowing what they're doing. And Jordan Poole, if he's playing at a high level, and Bilal Coolbally continuing to rise up in and take a leap. um And of course, we have Bob Keratin and Kishan George figuring out, and Alex Starr coming together. The team is going to win more games with those guys. ah And the goal is not to win more games, you know?
00:30:55
Chris Mac
it I mean, I'm just going to have to take it and be like, yo, we might really get up to 18 wins if these deals go through. um And it potentially because I'm like, we got enough guys like you're playing so well that we might be too good to take at this point.
00:31:04
Maurice Green
-huh.
00:31:13
Chris Mac
um But who knows? Like if Middleton really plays in the form, that really might be the case.
00:31:20
Maurice Green
yeah
00:31:20
Chris Mac
But I will consider those good deals. Like I will take them. We will take the contracts that we have in order to get rid of Kyle Kuzma, move off for Foul and Shooters. It probably, we're trying to move off for Brockton, but you know his injury history is a struggle.
00:31:35
Maurice Green
Right.
00:31:35
Chris Mac
So he might stay, if he stays, again, that's potentially more wins because we got three really good veterans on the team.
00:31:44
Maurice Green
Yeah.
00:31:45
Chris Mac
You know what I mean?
00:31:45
Chris Mac
So, hey. yeah I mean, as a Wizards fan, I'm like, I'm good with the deals. Like, it's a win for me. We, we got rid of Kuzma.
00:31:52
Maurice Green
Yeah. Well, for my balls, number one, we won tonight. Yay.
00:32:00
Maurice Green
um
00:32:00
Chris Mac
Oh, y'all pick the heat go freak up me with four guards since you're starting lineup.
00:32:04
Maurice Green
Yeah, we beat them. We won. We won tonight. um
00:32:07
Chris Mac
Hey, man. Y'all swerved to be in the corner, man. Shout out to Lazo, man.
00:32:10
Maurice Green
a Hey, listen, you know.
00:32:13
Maurice Green
um Yeah.
00:32:13
Chris Mac
and The heat losing that game.
00:32:15
Chris Mac
Yeah, it's time to some trees these niggas man. It's I'm going to
00:32:18
Maurice Green
Yeah. Yeah. Are you ready to go? Are you ready to go? um ah For my balls though, I will say um I am happy. I am happy at the fact that We finally was able to get rid of ah Zach Levine after I don't know how many years of trying to put but putting him on a trade block and no team.
00:32:40
Chris Mac
yeah
00:32:41
Maurice Green
We just couldn't get anybody to bite. Now, you know, yeah, he he's in Sacramento. He's going to reunite with the Rosen.
00:32:51
Maurice Green
So good. um Yeah. And, um, you know, I, I'm fine with it. I, we're, we are in, we're in rebuild. We're tear down rebuild mold. Um, so that's where we're at now. and This is the one, one of the hurdles that we needed to get by in order to really.
00:32:51
Chris Mac
the team that he was going to go to at one point.
00:33:11
Maurice Green
get that going and was getting rid of Levine. Yeah, we didn't get much we didn't get anything back in return. The only one thing that we got back, honestly, was a pick that we shouldn't have never really gave up and begin with a couple of years ago. um And it just made its way back to us. it's So um you know ah other than that, I'm fine. um um um not there's There's nothing else for me to say about the Bulls. i just I want to just get out of this rut of mediocrity and this is the first step.
00:33:45
Maurice Green
This is just another step for it. Um, maybe we'll get rid of Lonzo, maybe get rid of Booch, you know, um, possibility, but, um, and it remains to be seen, you know, if we get something from, if those traits happen, um what we get back.
00:33:51
Chris Mac
Maybe.
00:34:00
Chris Mac
I wonder if the Hawks are going to be active in the tree when ive I haven't read it right up anything lately, but It looks like they're going to be really inactive, but I don't think they should. They lost Jalen Johnson to season in the injury. Um, also Kofi Bucken, who was, um, the backup point guard for a time with the Hawks also is out for the rest of the season. Um, so I'm, I would like seek out and look at them out to see if they will be either buyers or sellers in the market. I mean, click Capella.
00:34:35
Chris Mac
Again, like that's a guy that has been in trade talks for the last couple of seasons here.
00:34:40
Maurice Green
Yeah.
00:34:41
Chris Mac
And um I mean, he's already been moved to the bench. A Kong who is now officially the starter there. So I can see him becoming a trade target um within the next few hours.
00:34:51
Maurice Green
no Yeah.
00:34:53
Chris Mac
ah But yeah, I mean, they got a big win over Detroit the other night, but they've been sliding. They were at a seven game losing streak at one point. um yeah I feel like they might have to make some moves. um I don't know what they could get. I really don't know what they could do at this point, but it has been quite stagnant with the team that we have. um They tried to run it back a few times and yeah i dont I don't know. they They just need some help um in the back court and probably, of course, just another wing player that can help um take the playmaking capabilities away from Trey every once in a while.
00:35:30
Chris Mac
ah But yeah, it's been a trade show and and whenever he's not there or if he's not clicking, it's it's just bad news for them. And now with Jalen being out, it's going to be even worse.
00:35:36
Maurice Green
Yeah.
00:35:39
Chris Mac
like they they Their stranglehold or at least their grip on the play in is not to be at this point.
00:35:48
Maurice Green
Now, one last thing i want I want to cover with you while we're on the topic of the trade deadline. One of the trades that is possibly cooking that's been gaining traction throughout the course of the day um involves Katie.
00:36:07
Maurice Green
possibly reuniting with Golden State.
00:36:08
Chris Mac
yeah Yeah Yeah, but it feels like it's it's very it's very likely I
00:36:10
Maurice Green
um um don't That was definitely never going to, that was not on my bingo card for 2025. Obviously the trade hasn't happened. It could always always fall apart, um but it just seems, yeah.
00:36:28
Maurice Green
yeah Yeah.
00:36:31
Maurice Green
Which would involve, what it would involve the Miami, right? In this?
00:36:36
Chris Mac
Uh yeah, I mean the it's a potential like I remember there's a potential um three team trade that uh they're trying to get Butler to Phoenix um Durant to the Golden State and uh I guess it'll be shipping.
00:36:41
Maurice Green
Yeah.
00:36:49
Chris Mac
Uh also Jonathan Camino would be likely going to Phoenix too.
00:36:51
Maurice Green
Now.
00:36:53
Chris Mac
With Butler and Andrew Wiggins and some pieces heading over to Miami. Um I mean uh Wiggins here.
00:36:58
Maurice Green
Hey.
00:37:02
Chris Mac
Wiggins and that Miami crew would be pretty nice. I ain't go a lot. Uh But yeah, ah ah it makes sense not to bring in Camenga into that fold because Kyle L. Ware has been, he broke through as the starting center and bam, it's not before on that team. And I guess they they settled with their front court there for Miami, but bringing in a wing like Wiggins and probably a couple more playoff ready players.
00:37:29
Chris Mac
um from both phoenix and my um golden state to miami will probably do wonders for them i wonder if they go to that also might bring us in because washington is looking to be a facilitator for any multi-team trade series that we have again you know, want us to take a bad contract.
00:37:47
Chris Mac
We got it. You know, if we can get a second for Michael Brogdon, please. Here, you want to shoot her? We got Corey Kispert. He's available. Marvin Bagley.
00:37:55
Maurice Green
Yeah, yeah.
00:37:56
Chris Mac
Got him right here. You know, we got guys that we can help supply and move money around.
00:37:59
Maurice Green
Yeah.
00:38:03
Chris Mac
We just need the picks. If you got any dead wood on your own roster that you just want to bring out and we will take their contract.
00:38:04
Maurice Green
yeah
00:38:10
Maurice Green
you
00:38:11
Chris Mac
And, you know, as long as it's not affecting the development of my three rookie or my three, two, my three rookies and my young man who could blow and pull, we're good.
00:38:21
Maurice Green
Yeah. and That's.
00:38:25
Chris Mac
I would not mind having a bench full of solid veterans that are just helping us out, at least keeping us competing.
00:38:25
Maurice Green
Yeah. Mm hmm.
00:38:34
Chris Mac
They compete, but don't win a lot. That's all I want.
00:38:38
Maurice Green
Hey, man, more power to your wizards, man. I hope they they're like I said, they're on the right track. I think sorry he's part of the but the young whatever game.
00:38:52
Chris Mac
so good yes he's part of the rise to stars challenge um uh yeah he's going to be in that uh unfortunately i think he started to miss a couple more games and uh the kalelware like i said it probably overtook him in the rookie of the year standings um but man he he has been
00:38:54
Maurice Green
Rising stars, there we go, yeah.
00:39:13
Chris Mac
he's been a treat. He's not at the, won't be at the, I don't know if he's going to be like near fake yet right now, but he's really pulling it together. Um, defensively, my, he is really one of the best young defenders.
00:39:27
Chris Mac
Um, this league has had, um, seen right now. Uh, but man, I'm like that French defranced team in the next two to three years, it's going to be something crazy.
00:39:36
Maurice Green
yeah Yeah.
00:39:39
Maurice Green
Yeah, man. Hey, I forgot. Actually, that isn't the last thing. There was another trade that happened. um as ah Since you mentioned France and Wembley and the Spurs, they got the Aryan Fox.
00:39:40
Chris Mac
Like for real.
00:39:51
Chris Mac
Mm hmm.
00:39:54
Maurice Green
So um yep.
00:39:55
Chris Mac
Man, yeah, that's that's a big move, too, but it was just right in the middle of all this chaos.
00:39:58
Maurice Green
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:40:01
Maurice Green
Yeah.
00:40:01
Chris Mac
oh Yeah, also that Levine was a part of that three team deal going to Sacramento and Fox going to San Antonio.
00:40:04
Maurice Green
Yes.
00:40:11
Chris Mac
In Chicago getting nothing, I had to reiterate that.
00:40:12
Maurice Green
Yep. Yep.
00:40:17
Chris Mac
It's unbelievable how the Spurs managed to pick up the air Fox while giving up any of their young court.
00:40:24
Maurice Green
Yeah.
00:40:24
Maurice Green
Also.
00:40:25
Chris Mac
I killed it.
00:40:25
Chris Mac
Kelly Johnson and Jeremy Sohan are still there.
00:40:28
Maurice Green
Also with standard.
00:40:29
Chris Mac
It's the five Castle still there.
00:40:30
Maurice Green
Still there. Still there. Also another thing.
00:40:33
Chris Mac
Chris Paul is six men again.
00:40:34
Maurice Green
Chris Paul. Yes.
00:40:36
Maurice Green
But you know what's no. also but but Also, but Chris, also, like you said, and eluding, you just mentioned a trade with Luca, whatever, one of the picks that Dallas has now, or I think that was involved in that trade, because Dallas still owes, they still owe OKC a draft pick, they owe the Rockets a draft pick, and they owe San Antonio a draft pick.
00:40:37
Chris Mac
Like they didn't give up anyone how like that's just as crazy as so the Lakers get local.
00:41:02
Chris Mac
Mm hmm. Yeah.
00:41:06
Maurice Green
So San Antonio, they came out like, dog, the Mavs? The Mavs?
00:41:15
Chris Mac
sir
00:41:15
Maurice Green
Like you said, it's such a seismic shift, an impact that even little things like that, it impacts. um So yeah, like Spurs, man, they still got room to build.
00:41:31
Maurice Green
And they, like you said, now now that they have Fox.
00:41:32
Chris Mac
Oh yeah. That they get, they can be a legit contender in the next couple of years and you got the rockets are coming up too.
00:41:34
Maurice Green
Yeah, man. Hey, listen, man. Yep.
00:41:40
Chris Mac
Wow.
00:41:40
Maurice Green
Yeah. Yeah. yeah Think about it, man. you know Every decade, every decade, the Spurs, they got a finals appearance so far.
00:41:51
Chris Mac
Mm hmm.
00:41:52
Maurice Green
ah The 2020s, they haven't had one yet. But when you have Wembley on your team, which is a cheat code, man.
00:42:00
Chris Mac
Yeah.
00:42:02
Maurice Green
it's it's i i was um I marvel at that guy how that kid how he plays, man. just Everything you do just seems something out of a video game.
00:42:13
Maurice Green
and and And I know that's a cliche. A lot of people say that when they see something unreal or whatever. But no, like it's it's something really out of 2K, man.
00:42:21
Chris Mac
He really is, man.
00:42:23
Maurice Green
And um somebody's a creative player. And the fact that I was really marveling at the fact that he blocked Giannis two times within 14 seconds um the other night, which is even saying that.
00:42:37
Chris Mac
Was that much ease?
00:42:42
Maurice Green
ah Have we ever seen Giannis been blocked two times and like two times in a game?
00:42:47
Chris Mac
No.
00:42:48
Maurice Green
so And the way how he did it, like you said, man, it's just, it was just so, so easy for him to just block it. And he is like no effort at all. And it's, it's, some it's crazy. It's crazy. And he shoots threes. Like it's not like it's.
00:43:05
Maurice Green
Man, that that's a, hey, yeah we talk about LeBron, you know, the whole thing about witness, witness, witness greatness, right? Whenby, man, that that's that's the next, that's the next one right there.
00:43:20
Maurice Green
Because that man is, that kid is gonna take over shit, man. He is gonna take over at some point. um You know, it's just just a matter of when.
00:43:29
Chris Mac
Yeah.
00:43:32
Maurice Green
But when you add Darian Fox to it, ah That team man, that's that's they gonna give teams problems problems on that court and You know where they at now in the standings, I believe they're they're still like ah they're they're like a playing Team right now, right or are they a little bit before before ah no, they still out of it So they're three games out of from the 10th spot playing game um behind Golden State so
00:43:45
Chris Mac
Yeah.
00:44:04
Maurice Green
I'll tell you what Dallas is about. They're going to catch up to Dallas more than probably, um, San Antonio. They can. I'm not saying that there's going to be a definite.
00:44:12
Chris Mac
It's tough man because of Portland has also been balling man.
00:44:13
Maurice Green
It can. Yeah. Yeah. But I know they're a game and a half behind, but yeah, you can't count them out. Can't count Portland now, but
00:44:20
Chris Mac
Yeah.
00:44:23
Maurice Green
It's it's really they got to catch Dallas. That's that's the thing. That's the team that that they got to catch up to. They catch up to Dallas. Then you got something because.
00:44:35
Maurice Green
I mean, from the eighth eighth to the 11th, they all tied 14 and a half games, you know, behind first.
00:44:42
Chris Mac
Yeah.
00:44:43
Maurice Green
So um that's tight. It's tight. It's tight. And but that what makes it even also even more weird or dead.
00:44:49
Chris Mac
Golden State 2, this one makes this deadline crazy because now it's more of a race to the play in, if anything.
00:44:49
Maurice Green
could
00:44:55
Maurice Green
Yeah, but that was, see, and this is what made it even weirder with that Lakers trade, because they're four therere they were like, at the time, they were only in a game out of fourth. I mean, they're a game and a half now, um because they they're playing now, too. But it's that was weird about it. I was like, y'all a game out of fourth, despite all of this shit, the Lakers, all of the jokes, and with JJ Redick being a coach, and all of that hoopla,
00:45:22
Maurice Green
And with Brony being put in, like there were still only a game out of four. that's And now you add somebody like Luca on today.
00:45:31
Maurice Green
God, man.
00:45:32
Chris Mac
Or someone that's going to give JJ his keep JJ his job for the next decade if all goes to plan.
00:45:36
Maurice Green
Oh, hell yeah. He saved, like, Luca saved.
00:45:39
Chris Mac
no
00:45:40
Maurice Green
Nico, he saved Rob Polinka's job. He saved JP Reddick's job.
00:45:45
Chris Mac
Yes.
00:45:47
Maurice Green
Like, it's insane. And I know a lot of people historically always joke about a reference to whole Paul Gasol trade from Memphis to, you know, the Lakers and that whole thing. And even the before that with, you know, Chris Paul initially being traded to Lakers and that being vetoed and stuff. And
00:46:11
Maurice Green
These that it trades like that, I can say, we don't normally see that happen, man. We don't see we don't normally see that happen. um But golly, I just can't believe it.
00:46:25
Maurice Green
I can't believe it. But yo, if KD does go back to OKC, that's going to be wild. Not OKC, Golden to State. I keep on thinking about OKC because I really, I keep on thinking about OKC because I
00:46:33
Chris Mac
I mean, damn, I mean, I'll be either or.
00:46:37
Maurice Green
Man, ah I don't know. ah that That would be weird, but that's not even that's not even a ah real thought, honestly. I don't know why I keep on thinking OKC. I don't know why.
00:46:49
Chris Mac
I mean, he goes to OKC. You just give him the title right now, man.
00:46:54
Maurice Green
ah Listen, man, at that I don't even want to ah want even touch that. Because that's not even a thought. um But Golden State, man, him and Seth Curry um teaming back up again, man, for you know really, if this does happen, like this is it. This is one for the road. This is it for both guys.
00:47:17
Maurice Green
um ah I just don't know how much longer they're going to both beat the league. So so yeah, this this is like but the last shot. and But the thing is, and we both you you said it, and I agree with you on this one too, where as far as moving the needle, he'll get them to the playoffs. But they think that this is going to be a championship move. It's kind of hard, kind of hard to sell that to me.
00:47:46
Maurice Green
um given the nature of how the West is, man. You know, and we could talk about all these other teams, man, what they but they trade. But at the end of the day, now West, hey, OKC. That's the team to be. There's just too many good teams, man. Houston, you know, Houston, they they've been having it. Denver is still there. Denver is the fourth seed. You know, Memphis, their resurgence, man.
00:48:18
Maurice Green
um Yeah, that's. I don't know how much I don't know what people thought the how good Memphis or how bad, ah you know, determine how that it was going to be at the beginning of the season, reintegrating John Morant back into there.
00:48:34
Maurice Green
um But shit, them being the two seed in the West is that that's um that's great. That's impressive. That's impressive, man. Man, but a lot to see with that.
00:48:44
Chris Mac
Yeah, blows my mind. I mean, I still consider Memphis. I don't know. Them and Houston, like that theyre they're good, but I still consider Memphis fake good.
00:48:51
Maurice Green
Yeah. Yeah.
00:48:58
Maurice Green
Yeah. i I hear what you say. It's a matchup is going to be hard.
00:48:58
Chris Mac
And now, with the Lakers acquiring Luca,
00:49:01
Chris Mac
um yeah, they they sit they say Giles is going to have their fees on.
00:49:04
Maurice Green
who
00:49:08
Chris Mac
No, man. I think with Luca and LeBron, those two have killer instinct. And I think they can find a way to destroy a team like Memphis.
00:49:14
Maurice Green
Yeah.
00:49:17
Chris Mac
I mean, the Bronx did it twice before already.
00:49:20
Maurice Green
yeah
00:49:21
Chris Mac
So I would be surprised to do it again um if they have to meet in the playoffs.
00:49:23
Maurice Green
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, man. um But we'll know. I mean, listen, like I said, nothing has happened yet while we have recorded.
00:49:35
Maurice Green
um As always, things can.
00:49:37
Chris Mac
Knock on wood.
00:49:38
Maurice Green
Listen, I think it's just one of those inevitable things that we're just we're we're just used to it how stuff happens exactly after we record. So, you know, and it's it's OK. It's all right. It's all right. We just it just happens to be that way. But I know um you had mentioned earlier We was just talking how all star weekend is for the NBA's next weekend, Valentine's Day weekend.
00:50:08
Chris Mac
Mm hmm.
00:50:08
Maurice Green
um And I also saw today where there is a certain wrestler who will be partaking, and I guess in the celebrity game.
00:50:20
Maurice Green
And that would be the former WWE Women's Champion, Bayley, who
00:50:28
Maurice Green
In fact, who in fact, uh, was part of the women's were rumble match this past Saturday and man, uh, perfect, perfect match to start off the event. Uh, for sure. And it's, and I feel like they do that, that they've, that's like a typical thing. Now they do every war rumble feels like, right. Start off with the women's match.
00:50:28
Chris Mac
Yeah.
00:50:53
Maurice Green
Cause I feel like they've done that like the past two, three years. Maybe with the exception of maybe one of them and they may have done that at like late, like the last match, probably right after they went back into stadiums after the pandemic, um which is, but I'm not against it because I mean, really the women, they they killed it, man.
00:51:08
Chris Mac
Yeah.
00:51:15
Maurice Green
They killed it all around. I thoroughly enjoyed. ah the match, um the surprises, everything that came along with it. um Let me ask you, man, what was the biggest thing that stood out to you in a women's rumble match?
00:51:31
Chris Mac
Oh, for me, it was definitely a valid doubt Alexa Bliss's return. like the crop Again, that crowd was just so, like it was ah such a deafening pop. I think it was a real shock for some too, that she'll make her return, because you know.
00:51:49
Chris Mac
For weeks we've been seeing that seeing dirt sheets and and wrestling media talk about how blessed and and W were far apart in an agreement to return and more than likely they probably were but you know they got that **** done right right at the the stroke of midnight man and there she was right there in the rubble and she looked great.
00:52:13
Chris Mac
I mean the crowd still loves her, of course, and um' I'm looking forward to see what she does, you know um in the long term um But I'm not sure if she's going to be like a focal point of the y6 or she's going to be a regular um Going forward but
00:52:27
Maurice Green
Yeah, yeah.
00:52:32
Chris Mac
Other than that, the match was just great for me. I thought it was just a great um rubble. George Grace made her um return. It was her official ah debut as a member of the WWE roster.
00:52:44
Maurice Green
Right.
00:52:45
Chris Mac
um We also like we saw a lot of focus on NXT, their core four plus you know Jada. ah you know, Stephanie and Stephanie Fakira and Julia again getting getting spots was dope.
00:53:02
Chris Mac
Lash legend continues to be awesome. Like folks really **** love Lash and yes, yes, such a great week.
00:53:04
Maurice Green
Yes. Dog, she had a killer week last week.
00:53:10
Chris Mac
um You know, but it's it's already been made official that Roxanne Perez will be heading to the main roster. um She's the Iron Woman at that Roxanne Perez.
00:53:19
Maurice Green
Now, ah now I was going to.
00:53:20
Chris Mac
She will officially be on Monday Night Raw um
00:53:22
Maurice Green
Right, right, right.
00:53:23
Chris Mac
ah announced today
00:53:25
Maurice Green
And that was going to for me, that was the thing that stood out to me to Roxanne's.
00:53:25
Chris Mac
so
00:53:30
Chris Mac
Yeah, like she was great. I ah knew she was like, I didn't know she was a three-time Rumble participant.
00:53:30
Maurice Green
um
00:53:35
Maurice Green
Yeah, this is the third time.
00:53:35
Chris Mac
ah No. Yeah, I was like, wow. And they they they give her to Iron Woman now. I'm like, yeah, she's already going to get like, you know, that that super rookie push, just like Brian Breaker had in her first year on the main roster.
00:53:43
Maurice Green
Oh, yeah.
00:53:50
Chris Mac
And umm I'm looking forward to that, for sure.
00:53:50
Maurice Green
Yep.
00:53:52
Maurice Green
Yeah, yeah, man. um Also. We, it speaking of surprises too, with that, ah I appreciate, I love the the NXT representation um you know for for them in there.
00:54:08
Maurice Green
like you said, Alexa came back crazy pop. um Remains to be seen whether she gets, I don't think she's gonna wind up getting involved with the Y at six. I don't think so. um But they may, you know what, considering the jacket she came out with, you know, with the fiend thing, I mean, I think it can be one of those things maybe that it's just to get it over with.
00:54:31
Maurice Green
They may just do something.
00:54:33
Chris Mac
Yeah.
00:54:33
Maurice Green
um Because I feel like the more you separate her from them like at the beginning like We know how these fans are and everything so I just feel like it's just better to just get that over with some type of interaction if anything But then that would mean that she would be going to smack them, right?
00:54:49
Chris Mac
Yeah, it looks like she'll be on SmackDown brand right now.
00:54:52
Maurice Green
Yeah, yeah, so I mean yeah, I just think that would be the just to get it over with, I guess. I don't know. I don't know what the plans are. I'm excited. um whole i'm i'm i This is a different women's roster than when she left. um Crazy, crazy. The division has obviously improved a lot since and last time that she was like active in the ring. So um ah the possibilities are endless, man. um And then then we got the mid-car title. So she has that too.
00:55:28
Maurice Green
um So it's, yeah,
00:55:29
Chris Mac
Oh, yeah, she's definitely gonna be a fixture at home I feel like she's going to definitely be like a U.S. champion type of fixture in that way.
00:55:37
Maurice Green
yeah
00:55:39
Chris Mac
But she she all obviously also be in the main women's title picture. But, you know, I mean, it's it's it's definitely, it's like for her and to a um also a lesser estate, Carmela, if she decides to return, like, man, it's really a whole new avenue.
00:55:55
Chris Mac
It's a whole new environment to be in with the women's division. Obviously, like the fans already shown that she is still a big deal.
00:56:07
Chris Mac
So she's going to be in the top mix, but it's going to be interesting to see her mesh with a lot of the younger talent that are around and, you know, integrate herself into into the world now, you know, which should be interesting, especially, you know, with, the you know,
00:56:14
Maurice Green
Right.
00:56:24
Chris Mac
ah a lot of women that are on the roster now, like she could work up to their size, aside from Naya, you know, and be honest, which is going to be great.
00:56:29
Maurice Green
Yeah. Yeah.
00:56:34
Chris Mac
Like, that's one thing I'm like, 100 in HPA, they're balancing it out now. But as at this moment, the main roster is full of a lot of tiny women.
00:56:44
Maurice Green
Yeah yeah yeah you know well I mean like you said you know the way especially the recruiting that NXT they've been having with NXT and the women's division and stuff like, yeah, I mean, I i understand that.
00:57:00
Maurice Green
But it doesn't it doesn't hurt the product. So, you know, that that it doesn't hurt the product at all.
00:57:06
Chris Mac
Not at all.
00:57:08
Maurice Green
So ah as long as it doesn't do that, then um it's to me, it's I don't even ah it's a non factor. But to touch more on the women's War Rumble match, um as far as great showings with it.
00:57:23
Maurice Green
I think it was Trish.
00:57:24
Chris Mac
Church writers, man. Still looking great.
00:57:27
Maurice Green
all Always looking great.
00:57:29
Maurice Green
Trish always looking great.
00:57:29
Chris Mac
And we we got Nicky Bella, man.
00:57:33
Maurice Green
Yes. She got a good pop, but you know that was another one of the spots where people assumed and thought that, oh, well, you know, Becky Lynch would show up for that.
00:57:34
Chris Mac
Really good pop too for um for a return she's really picking her time doll Yeah about two and a half months
00:57:44
Maurice Green
And and you know, and and I get it. But you know what though, listen. Triple H said that. i The way I look at it is this, man. We still got a lot of traction leading up to WrestleMania.
00:58:02
Maurice Green
um Yeah, so listen, she could show up. And I think the beauty of it raw being on Netflix, you can still always have room for those surprise moments.
00:58:15
Maurice Green
She could show up on any episode of on Netflix raw.
00:58:20
Maurice Green
she could show I mean, essentially she could show up on any and that would help them out because that would give you the surprise factor like I just when you think this person's going to show just when you think you got it all figured out, she could show up there. Now, realistically, I would think WWE would like to do some type of a lead up to try to get people to make sure that they're watching when she comes back. Um, but at the same time, bro, with the numbers, they'd be putting up the amount of viewership on Netflix, I mean, are they really too good?
00:58:20
Chris Mac
Yeah.
00:58:53
Maurice Green
Are they really worried about that part?
00:58:55
Chris Mac
No, not that at all, man.
00:58:55
Maurice Green
Right. Right. You know, so so I mean, I mean, seriously, though, like if what better way to promote Like anything can happen.
00:59:06
Maurice Green
Hey, she should show up on just raw and raw, you know, but. um But I think what Triple H is doing, man, it's like there's just no need to just throw everything out like right now.
00:59:18
Maurice Green
There's no need to empty the clip right now.
00:59:21
Chris Mac
Yeah, I will say this though.
00:59:21
Maurice Green
Like we are not.
00:59:23
Chris Mac
I mean the road to rush the manager is coming up soon.
00:59:23
Maurice Green
ah huh Yes.
00:59:27
Chris Mac
um and They do have a live event in Ireland in Belfast.
00:59:30
Maurice Green
Yeah, yeah.
00:59:31
Chris Mac
So you probably probably do have another month and a half before we see her come back into the fold.
00:59:37
Maurice Green
Yeah. All right. Yeah. And honestly, and there is no rush. There's no rush right now. There that there really isn't. and and for the ra For the raw women's side, like is there really going to be that much of a difference of what's happening between now and you know a month and a half from now outside of you know we'll know who possibly Rhea is facing? um Because we all know Charlotte is going for Tiffy. So I think that's the general feeling that a lot of us are having, where the direction she'll go.
01:00:17
Maurice Green
um Because you know her and Rhea, they could always rekindle their shit some other time. you know Don't get me wrong, I loved, absolutely loved the Rainier 39 match that they had.
01:00:31
Maurice Green
um that was That was great. um And I know Rhea on Raw, she wanted she made it her mission and say, hey, you know Charlotte, because she feels like Charlotte's just suspecting her.
01:00:41
Maurice Green
But yeah, Charlotte, is is she's she's going for that she's going for that title on SmackDown.
01:00:46
Chris Mac
Yeah. Hey, I mean, I think it's already apparent that ah char Charlotte's definitely going to be working heel going into mania.
01:00:55
Maurice Green
She's just a natural heel, man.
01:00:57
Chris Mac
She's a natural heel. Like, come on, look at those finiets, man. You think she's going to be a damn baby face?
01:01:00
Maurice Green
Yeah. Hell no.
01:01:03
Chris Mac
She was going to get the return pop. She's going with the rubble and they were going to start blowing her meal.
01:01:08
Maurice Green
That's it.
01:01:08
Chris Mac
Like, it's Charlotte.
01:01:09
Maurice Green
Yeah.
01:01:10
Chris Mac
That's what she does. And Tiffany is the younger, of just this athletic, if not more version of her and the fans have gravitated towards her over time.
01:01:17
Maurice Green
Yeah.
01:01:24
Maurice Green
yeah
01:01:25
Chris Mac
Like she's the new hotness and they you know and they they see Charlotte as you know the one that is looking to just stamp that flame out because that's what she tends to do.
01:01:36
Maurice Green
Yeah No
01:01:36
Chris Mac
um And the fact of the matter is that in general, whether it's through KV or not, she's never away from the title picture at all.
01:01:46
Chris Mac
my ever and that that definitely becomes nauseating because we don't see we don't know Charlotte it's anything other than and you know and that does get tiresome and hopefully you know with this with this with this program with her and Shrighton that This helps Stratton because this is a sacred swim program for her of anything.
01:02:07
Maurice Green
Yeah, I mean, this is money.
01:02:08
Chris Mac
This helps Stratton become a better, but better, better worker and a better personality and and a really good baby face. If she can be a baby face, they can make it work.
01:02:16
Maurice Green
I mean, listen, man. Listen, when you were put in a program, with Charlotte Flair for WrestleMania. I mean, ah some money that's Like you said, this this is this is it.
01:02:30
Chris Mac
Mm-hmm.
01:02:34
Maurice Green
This is make a break, take a swim because you this is this is no, ah you can...
01:02:38
Chris Mac
yeah
01:02:40
Maurice Green
you You could arguably say that there is going to be no bigger profile match that you're going to have for Mania. but your first For your favorite first Mania title, like your first Mania match of your title, defending the title, like can Charlotte Flair come on?
01:02:56
Maurice Green
You know, ah let's that that's that's that's big. but But Tiffy can claim, she can make claim that she had beaten Becky.
01:03:03
Chris Mac
Yeah. Mhm.
01:03:09
Maurice Green
She has beaten, she has beaten Bailey too, right? Has she beaten Bailey?
01:03:13
Chris Mac
yeah
01:03:13
Maurice Green
Yeah, I'm pretty sure she's beaten Bailey. So, hey, just line up the four horsemen and line them up.
01:03:19
Chris Mac
Yeah.
01:03:20
Maurice Green
That'd be, saying that you had beaten Becky Lynch, Bailey and Charlotte Flair. that's that's I mean that's that's I mean that's that's a hell of a that's a hell of a shit to have on your resume you know and you can't get any better three three top three women you know outside of Bianca you know or Rhea
01:03:34
Chris Mac
Yeah, that that' that'll be dope.
01:03:47
Chris Mac
Yeah.
01:03:48
Maurice Green
you know you know, those two. um Which, you know what, man? Where does Bianca go from here, man? what Like, where is this thing? Like, I know this whole thing with her, Naomi, and Jade.
01:04:00
Maurice Green
And like, man, and know we I know we were talking about there's traction there. and she has like Does she have a qualifying match for lemin and elimination chamber? Are the women having elimination chamber?
01:04:10
Chris Mac
I don't know yet, but I'm pretty sure she will.
01:04:12
Maurice Green
Right? Right. Right. OK. yeah the Women are having elimination chamber. I saw Lyron.
01:04:16
Chris Mac
But I really, I really don't know what's going on with the J thing either, man, because she was not in the rubble.
01:04:20
Maurice Green
Yeah, man. Yeah.
01:04:23
Chris Mac
She did not show up in any of the television.
01:04:25
Maurice Green
No.
01:04:26
Chris Mac
Like it's looking and now with the elimination chamber coming up, it looked like they press pause a little bit on the live from Raquel title program with ah with Naomi and Bianca.
01:04:39
Chris Mac
So it looks good. I don't know what's up.
01:04:44
Maurice Green
Yeah man it's just weird how that it's just I don't know but then Jade on Twitter a couple of weeks ago when Bianca had asked Naomi if there was any leads and Naomi said no and then Bianca not Bianca then Jade's like are you sure so it's like I What's going on here? like um i wanted I want to give it time. I'm willing to be patient a little bit here, a little bit more. But you know it's if we don't have any resolution, what is it? it's We just started February. If we don't have a resolution by the third week of this month, then I got questions.
01:05:28
Maurice Green
i got I'm a little bit concerned.
01:05:30
Maurice Green
like what What's going on here? um Hopefully we'll have an answer or better clear an idea. Maybe something will develop. um you know and And who knows? um The way I look at it too, man, and then also to kind of go back. Don't mean to go on a tangent to go back to the whole Becky thing, right? I initially thought that she was going to show up to the Rumble. However, she was going to show up on Raw on Monday.
01:05:30
Chris Mac
Yeah.
01:05:58
Maurice Green
And the reason why I wasn't initially, I thought that because I know how the company is really trying to make a big deal with, they're really trying to make these other big, the big four events, they're as big as they are. But as we know, they want really make everything almost like a damn stadium show.
01:06:17
Maurice Green
for all the big shows. And they want to give that big feel now.
01:06:20
Chris Mac
Mm hmm.
01:06:22
Maurice Green
And you we always talk about the raw after WrestleMania, right? How it has its own, it's a beast of its own and all that other stuff. But I always think in my mind now with how everything is going, it wouldn't it wouldn't escape my mind if Triple H looked at it from the situation where, how can we make the world rumble a big thing?
01:06:44
Maurice Green
bigger than what we are already making it well why don't you treat the raw afterroar umble something like the raw after mania in a sense You're kicking off the season you kicking off WrestleMania season, you can use that also as a catapult for that. and Also as you know whatever to fall out to whatever happened in the rumble you need to advance to whatever.
01:07:03
Maurice Green
I mean, I think that's a smart way you could treat that, and especially now that you have this. Now that with the whole thing with the whole big deal being on Netflix, maybe they do that in the next year. But it's something I just think just to keep a thought of. um With the future, big four events. Like, you could treat. We don't know how they could, as far as returns and stuff like that, they can make they may treat whatever the first raw after elimination chamber is a big deal for all I know.
01:07:31
Maurice Green
you know you know
01:07:31
Chris Mac
yeah Yeah, yeah, I mean we're we're about to see the very first like
01:07:37
Chris Mac
You know, I mean, we've seen smack down before mania, right?
01:07:40
Maurice Green
Yeah.
01:07:41
Maurice Green
Yeah.
01:07:41
Chris Mac
But this is going to be the first three hour smack down before mania.
01:07:43
Maurice Green
Yeah. yeah
01:07:45
Chris Mac
Yeah. This might be treated as like a really big deal.
01:07:48
Maurice Green
Yeah.
01:07:48
Chris Mac
This is like smack down point five.
01:07:50
Maurice Green
Yeah. Yeah, man.
01:07:52
Chris Mac
I mean, WrestleMania point five, you know, when it hits Vegas, I'm just wondering how long the hall of fame ceremony is going to be.
01:07:53
Maurice Green
Mm hmm.
01:07:56
Maurice Green
That's.
01:07:59
Maurice Green
I didn't even say when it's happening because I don't see. is I don't know. I know they talked about maybe changing a format, but the previous years has been after like if you go to if you pay a ticket to go to Smackdown Live, you're seeing the Hall of Fame afterwards.
01:07:59
Chris Mac
Damn.
01:08:15
Maurice Green
So you know i don't and I haven't heard that. They only said that you know they gave the lineup for what's happening for the SmackDown before Mania and Raw after Mania. But they didn't say nothing about Hall of Fame tickets or anything like that. So I don't know. um I would like to go to that one. I've never been to the Hall of Fame um ceremony. I would like to go to that, especially with Triple H going in. um But I don't know. I don't know what's up with that, man. But I'll tell you this, from what I've seen,
01:08:15
Chris Mac
Yeah.
01:08:44
Maurice Green
Dog it is going to be tough. I mean there's there's just so much wrestling stuff going on in Vegas so crammed into that That downtown the main strip areas it is going to be pandemonium over there in Vegas with this stuff, man. A lot of shows there for that. But that's a conversation for a different day. But ah yeah, it's ah I'm just thinking, man, with the way the product is now and how they're treating stuff, and it may be something that we have to re rethink in how we look at the regular shows.
01:09:26
Maurice Green
You know, they, they were still going to have their regular, they still going to have their feel like, and like, you're going to have your, your segments and your, you know, your promos and, and, and, you know, whatever matches to just advance storylines.
01:09:40
Chris Mac
I mean, there are already going to be big deals. I mean, they're they're they're having like three shows internationally on television.
01:09:43
Maurice Green
Yeah.
01:09:46
Maurice Green
Yeah. That's good. Yeah. That's yeah.
01:09:48
Chris Mac
You know, they're going to be special in their own way, but it's still so for television, you know?
01:09:53
Maurice Green
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But um to go back to to um you know one last thing with the women's rumble match, though. Just overall, though, the flow of the match was great. Roxanne being the iron women having the most and being in the ring the longest broke. um It feels like three years in a row is like the record gets broken for the longest time in the ring for the women's Vora Vumble.
01:10:22
Maurice Green
um but ri and Bailey, and um and and now Roxanne. And it shows a lot that she was the last one to be eliminated by Charlotte. you know um that That right there, and it's and it's something that was, in a sense,
01:10:41
Maurice Green
Also done and with the men's. um But before going to the men's match, though, I do want to discuss the other matches that happened. um And kind of going with the Black History Month theme here.
01:10:54
Maurice Green
um That two out of three falls match between ah DIY and Motor City Machine Guns, man. Good match. Hell of a match.
01:11:03
Chris Mac
Yeah, it was good, man. they had they had It was going to be tough for them to follow that up, but they got the crowd into it.
01:11:06
Maurice Green
Yeah, it was tough. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:11:12
Maurice Green
Yeah, yeah.
01:11:12
Chris Mac
ah Great work, because it really was starting to pick up, of course, towards ah that final fall.
01:11:18
Chris Mac
and The machine guns were just like just putting in their offense in the crowd. It was just really digging what they were doing.
01:11:23
Maurice Green
Yep.
01:11:24
Chris Mac
ah it you know, it went to one fall piece, you know, it was a 15 minute match. And again, really it was standard strong, like solid basic tag game action for like the first two falls. With DIY, you know, just baiting them ah into making blind tags or keeping, you know, the partner, the opponent away. And I think ah Shelley was the face in peril for most of it.
01:11:53
Chris Mac
I did um it didn't save it was able to get the hot tag. They were able to pull off their combos. ah A lot of really good action. It was starting to pick up and I was really enjoying it. And then when it got to the finish.
01:12:04
Chris Mac
ah You know, we see someone coming up to the corner. I was like, wait, who's that? It did take long for me to figure out that was Montez Ford. I was like, oh, I was this.
01:12:13
Maurice Green
Right.
01:12:14
Chris Mac
And then immediately after that, the next shot I see is Angela Dawkins knocking over on Chris Saban with a with his son. with some, excuse me, crutches.
01:12:25
Maurice Green
ah huh
01:12:26
Chris Mac
leading for DIY to get the win. But then after that, you know, the profits attack, um, DIY as well. But so we're, we're, we're pretty much seeing, you know, the profits. I don't know if they fully turned or they just have a new edge, but the fact that they cost DIY that manner, you know, I consider it a heel turn of some sort because, you know, the fans were shocked.
01:12:44
Maurice Green
Yeah.
01:12:47
Chris Mac
They were like, why would you do that? And they were coming close to getting this win, you know, and they're in the fans are getting behind them. You know, I figured that it's going to be more of a heel turn here. Um, But yeah, we're, we're, we're definitely getting some type of flatter match at mania for these titles again.
01:13:02
Maurice Green
Again.
01:13:03
Chris Mac
Uh, you know, because this, yeah, the I mean, I can, I can see them trading again because, you know, pretty debt lease in the mix, the cars system makes, you know, the tech divisions make quite an interesting right now, um, for smack down and hopefully you get well like that on raw as well.
01:13:15
Maurice Green
Yeah, yeah.
01:13:19
Chris Mac
But, uh, yeah, good match here.
01:13:21
Maurice Green
Well, you know who has bad luck with having a tag team partner? It feels like, man, Finn Balor, man.
01:13:29
Chris Mac
Mm hmm.
01:13:35
Chris Mac
Yeah, yeah.
01:13:35
Maurice Green
Finn Balor and Uh Pete doing Pete Dunn, man. Like think about it. Like remember Tyler Bate?
01:13:45
Chris Mac
Mm hmm.
01:13:46
Maurice Green
He's injured.
01:13:48
Chris Mac
Yeah.
01:13:49
Maurice Green
JD McDonough. Now he's injured, which oh my God.
01:13:52
Chris Mac
Oh, man, what?
01:13:52
Maurice Green
That.
01:13:54
Chris Mac
man What a warrior, though.
01:13:57
Maurice Green
Amazing. Crazy.
01:13:59
Maurice Green
Crazy.
01:13:59
Chris Mac
right I did.
01:14:00
Chris Mac
I thought for a minute, I thought it was just a concussion or he messed his neck up but to find out that he had two broken
Cody Rhodes vs. Kevin Owens: The Brutal Ladder Match
01:14:06
Chris Mac
ribs and a puncture lung.
01:14:06
Maurice Green
Like what?
01:14:09
Chris Mac
It's
01:14:10
Maurice Green
ah his head his His head saved him. There's no doubt about it. I have to say that. like ah normal like If that was my my head nod, I would have got concussed.
01:14:22
Maurice Green
I would have got concussed.
01:14:23
Chris Mac
Mm hmm.
01:14:24
Maurice Green
The impact of that. That ooh that was scary. In real time, I was like, mm-mm. Um, you know, yeah, they, they, they got, you they just got terrible luck, but Finn, yeah, Finn just, just but Finn brings it on a lot of that shit onto himself though, as we wind up.
01:14:42
Maurice Green
Seeing on on raw, ah man, you know, the now that we, you know, you know, got past the tag match.
01:14:43
Chris Mac
yeah
01:14:52
Maurice Green
But yeah, I think also one last thing about that is just the image of Dawkins and and and Tez holding the title is just I was like, yeah, yeah.
01:15:05
Chris Mac
Yeah.
01:15:06
Maurice Green
If you saw it, you'll know what I'm talking about.
01:15:07
Chris Mac
Mm hmm.
01:15:07
Maurice Green
I was like, yeah. Mm-hm, that's what I that's that's how you start the month ah But uh, but the other match was the Ladder match for the undisputed WWE championship between Cody Rhodes and Kevin Owens and holy moly what a match holy shit
01:15:32
Chris Mac
Fantastic match, man.
01:15:33
Maurice Green
That was, man, that was some old school brutality ladder match there. I love that, man. Kudos to both of them, man. it's
01:15:45
Chris Mac
ah thought I thought both men died at multiple times of this match.
01:15:48
Maurice Green
It's multiple, multiple times. like it's a Kevin Owens with that Alabama slam at the end and um Cody with Kevin.
01:16:02
Chris Mac
It's taking that ah suplex off the top rope going to that ladder.
01:16:04
Maurice Green
yeah yeah yeah man just everything just watching it man and you know it's interesting because
01:16:06
Chris Mac
I thought Cody was like finished for real.
01:16:17
Maurice Green
I was watching that ladder match and as I'm watching it, um, and I was, I was watching it with my girlfriend and, and I was explaining to her at the time. I'm like, cause a couple of weeks ago, like two, three weeks ago, I did like habitat for him and humanity ah volunteer. And what I was doing over there near in Petersburg. And as one of the things that I was doing over there was helping, um,
01:16:46
Maurice Green
the lady put up, I guess, some extra shielding before they put the um awning on there, the side panels um to the house that they were building. and But I was holding the ladder still. Now, I was offered an ax if I wanted to climb, ah do take part in it, like climb up the ladder. Bro, now I don't have, i don't I don't have fear of heights because I do roller coasters and the taller the better for me.
01:17:15
Maurice Green
Um, but man, climbing that ladder, bro. I was half way, I climbed halfway and it looked like one of them tall, tall at is like, they always using them ladder matches.
01:17:24
Chris Mac
Mm-hmm Yeah
01:17:27
Maurice Green
Right? Like one of them big old kind of like Jeff Hardy jumping off type ladders, bro. I was halfway up there. I was like, Nope.
01:17:38
Maurice Green
Hell no. Hell no. Hell no. There is, and I thought Nat and I really was halfway onto the ladder and I was thinking to myself, I'm like, how the hell do these wrestlers jump off of this shit?
01:17:50
Maurice Green
Like, I, hell, I was petrified, bro. I was like, I don't like being on this thing. And it was sturdy. It's not like it was shaken, but it's like, the hell no.
01:18:02
Maurice Green
How do they, and then they, and
01:18:04
Maurice Green
mr
01:18:04
Chris Mac
Half of the time, the latter should be climbing on art sturdy as hell.
01:18:07
Maurice Green
No, and they be climbing that shit all the way up top. And I'm like, and that's on top of the like 12 foot, you know, height elevation of the ring. So, dog, that's scary.
01:18:19
Maurice Green
That is scary. And these ladders, and they be throwing these ladders and, andma bro, I have a new like outlook on ladder matches now. And whenever I see them get thrown into it, there was that spot where Cody um backdrop Owens onto the top rung at the ladder.
01:18:19
Chris Mac
Yeah.
01:18:30
Chris Mac
yeah
01:18:40
Maurice Green
And like it was like his lower back that hit it. Bro.
01:18:43
Chris Mac
Yeah, that's like one of Kevin's favorite spots. He does it all the time.
01:18:47
Maurice Green
and it And I cringe every single time. I cringe, man, because it's like my back, like out my back was hurting afterwards, like on for him. And um it's just like, dude, like I was like, hell no. I wouldn't have been able to move. I don't know how they do that stuff, man. That is insane. That ladder matches. And and that that and it and it lived up to this hype.
01:19:12
Maurice Green
The match lived up to this height, I think, um and with the, it was the right amount of brutality with the ladders too, so.
01:19:20
Chris Mac
Yeah, fair, fair, reminiscent of um ah like a ah Triple H rock match in SummerSlam.
01:19:20
Maurice Green
ah
01:19:26
Maurice Green
Yeah, yep. Which is my, god damn it, man. Everybody could have, endless and listen, I understand why people have this infatuation with the Shawn Michaels and Razor Ramon match.
01:19:37
Maurice Green
I understand it, but I will take it.
01:19:40
Chris Mac
It was just pure unadulterated violence here.
01:19:42
Maurice Green
I will take that SummerSlam 98 match between the Rock and Triple H and now would I would put that against any ladder match w WWE, WWF had and I will still choose that one. That was to me, that that was that was awesome it for many reasons. but um but ah But the crowd also was into this match too, man. And Sami Zayn, when Sami came out,
01:20:11
Maurice Green
after they stopped the match. um ah yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:20:15
Chris Mac
you know, it wasn't even after it was still during the match. You know, He
01:20:19
Maurice Green
When they say, yeah, yeah, he came out. And of course, you know, everybody's wondering. And and he didn't do he didn't do it. He didn't do anything.
01:20:27
Chris Mac
didn't do anything. Yeah, that that's that that that that led to what we're going to talk about on Raw later.
01:20:32
Maurice Green
Yes.
01:20:33
Chris Mac
Um but yeah, he uh he just stood there. He watched after after Cody destroy Kevin with that
01:20:36
Maurice Green
That's it.
01:20:40
Maurice Green
That's it, yeah.
01:20:41
Chris Mac
just sammy While he tended to his friend, he just watched Cody just go up to to the ladder. wait wait Kevin, all he really wanted him to do was stop Cody from getting the belts.
01:20:52
Maurice Green
That's it. Yeah.
01:20:54
Chris Mac
And he didn't.
01:20:55
Maurice Green
No, no, no, no. You know, so definitely was some it was a repercussions for for Sammy's non actions, um you know, for that.
01:21:07
Maurice Green
But ah so Cody Rhodes is still your champion there. Although I just I feel like man, he's been getting a little bit more of an edge there, man, when he get violent. When Cody Rhodes gets violent, man, I'm like, yes, tap into that.
01:21:19
Chris Mac
Yeah.
01:21:22
Maurice Green
Tap into the dark side. Tap into it a little bit. There we go. You know, but kudos to him to make like, that's what I was like, when you, when you have, when you build a foundation of being at like a white meat baby face.
01:21:40
Chris Mac
Yeah.
01:21:40
Maurice Green
It just leaves you so much room to the introduce that little bit of that darker side to it because the fans mutually like the fans who want it and when you give it like it when you give that to them, it just makes them want it make you like like make them like you more.
01:21:55
Maurice Green
So it's it.
01:21:56
Chris Mac
Yes. Yeah, you found the perfect time and place to do it too, you know.
01:21:59
Maurice Green
Yeah, yeah. That was also the beauty of Cena. You know, when Cena was in his, you know, top, like shoving everybody's face, you know, time period, man, like he, even though he was, you know, everybody had their feelings about, but when they came up to those violent matches that they, Cena came, Cena brought his A game. To me, there will never be, his best violent match will always be him against Umaga.
01:22:28
Maurice Green
at World Rumble. Yeah, that that match will always, that to me, that's my favorite hard card match. Although, I will say, you know what is, I'll give her a special, since we were talking about Cena and it'll lead and also into our men's World Rumble talk in a minute. um I will say though, I will give out a very special honorable mention.
01:22:55
Maurice Green
as far as seeing his non-traditional wrestling matches, um the parking lot brawl that he had with Guerrero.
01:23:04
Chris Mac
Yeah.
01:23:05
Maurice Green
I will put that up there, too, as an honorable mention, as far as the more enjoyable nontraditional scene of matches. Because seriously, though, for anybody that's listening, anybody that saw that, they they know. that was that was this That was some different era stuff, man. Loved it. um But yes, leading now into the men's wearable match, which Star-studded is crazy.
01:23:33
Maurice Green
um We talked about in the last episode about it. But man, man, oh, man, oh, man, oh,
Men's Royal Rumble: Key Moments and Entrants
01:23:38
Maurice Green
man. How they started off was chef's kiss, man.
01:23:44
Chris Mac
You got really dope, man.
01:23:46
Maurice Green
It's a very mysterious coming in at number one, you know thinking that he could try to channel his inner 2006. Was it 2006?
01:23:58
Chris Mac
Yeah, I think it was, yeah, it was 2006.
01:23:59
Maurice Green
2006 War Rumble.
01:24:03
Maurice Green
It was 2006. Yeah.
01:24:05
Maurice Green
Cause it was 22 WrestleMania, Chicago. So yeah. So 2006, um, where he came in at number two and, um, I had won the Royal bubble. And at that moment, at that world, he had, uh, set a new record for the longest time.
01:24:05
Chris Mac
Yeah.
01:24:21
Maurice Green
Um, which, you know,
01:24:21
Chris Mac
Yeah.
01:24:25
Maurice Green
months later, the previous holder couldn't hold it for, there was no way he was going to hold that for long. Have that distinct, have that dubious distinction of being in the rumble the longest from 20 from 2004. Um, but you know, uh, but the fact that they, uh, like I said, Ray started off there, you know, wanting to try to do it again for Eddie, but to have Penta is number two was,
01:24:54
Maurice Green
I loved it and and this is what I was talking about bro in the last episode the beauty of penta being in this world just the different type of interactions and clash and styles of ah wrestlers and stuff And um also was noticeable the first time in WWE history that the Royal Rumble has started off with two Mexican wrestlers. um you know what That was also ah a pretty dope thing. for But then you know it's Rey Mysterio and Penta. I mean, those are two two to the top. I mean, obviously, Rey is you know the head hot show when it comes up to luchadors.
01:25:36
Maurice Green
Um, you know, the fame and, and, and Penta, you know, he's no slouch of his own. He's, he's carved his own, uh, uh, I guess name out there, you know, as far as who he is. And I still can't wait for Ray Phoenix to get the shackles released. Um, from, from Tony land. Um, but. Which I also had to explain to my girl. I'm like, like as much as great as Penta is, I had to explain to him, like Ray Phoenix, like.
01:26:07
Maurice Green
crazy can't wait for that to happen but the fact that it was both for them in there like that that's that was like one of the most you know well and most anticipated meeting matchups you could think of um so they gave you a little taste of that but then Chad Gable came in there which was which made it even better because like hey you know it's it's you can't can't beat I mean Chad Gable is we know what to expect from him
01:26:26
Chris Mac
Yeah.
01:26:33
Maurice Green
um But I will say no.
01:26:36
Chris Mac
it so It felt like the first 10 or so interest was like in the lucha block in some way.
01:26:40
Maurice Green
Yeah, man, um there was a lot of, yeah, lucha representation between Santos Escobar coming in at five Carmelo Hayes. He had his, he had a short, I thought that he was gonna be the Iron Man, which clearly I was wrong with that. um And then Andrade came in at 11, so he barely missed the top 10.
01:27:03
Maurice Green
the first hand, but still.
01:27:07
Maurice Green
I would say, though, ah that as far as the top 10, also Otis Bronbaker came in. um And number yeah, number eight, man.
01:27:16
Chris Mac
Number eight, man
01:27:18
Maurice Green
So Tizawa was supposed to.
01:27:20
Chris Mac
It was initially, yeah, it was initially Akira Tozawa coming out.
01:27:23
Maurice Green
Yeah.
01:27:23
Chris Mac
I was like, oh wow, he made it through. That's what's up.
01:27:26
Maurice Green
Yep.
01:27:27
Chris Mac
But in the midst of it all, Carmelo Hayes was just recently eliminated by Brian Breaker.
01:27:33
Maurice Green
Yes.
01:27:33
Chris Mac
And he's walking back to the stage and he sees Tozawa and he knocks him out.
01:27:37
Maurice Green
Yep.
01:27:40
Chris Mac
Like he just decks him, knocks him out cold. And I'm like, huh? Well, looks like a spot has been wasted. And then we see Triple H. take it a look and then he goes try to find see if we can find a replacement. It conveniently enough. I show Swedish here with Stephanie McMahon and he's asking for speed that you're in a match. He's like, huh? I'm in a match. He's like, yeah, yeah. You go out to God there. He's like, what am I supposed to do? There's the music plays. It's how you try to keep yourself. And he just, the crowd pops huge for him.
01:28:13
Chris Mac
and he's wilding you know he's he's celebratory he got his camera man right behind him you know they're streaming the entrance going into the rumble he gets one elimination with the help of brown breaker and for a little bit you know he's yo yo grand stadium hot dog it brought his egg in the morning only for broad to just rev up his spear to fuck out this nigga
01:28:21
Maurice Green
you
01:28:38
Maurice Green
bro bro that was
01:28:42
Chris Mac
like a highlight spear, man. I thought every bone in his body broke, bro.
01:28:48
Maurice Green
Man, like, because I knew, I just knew once he once they both combined to eliminate Otis from there.
01:28:58
Chris Mac
I was like, oh, he fucked.
01:29:01
Maurice Green
Hey, you know what? Speaking of that, speaking of Alpha Academy, shout out to Maxine Dupree in her effort in Devorah Rumbel.
01:29:07
Chris Mac
Oh, yeah.
01:29:10
Maurice Green
um
01:29:11
Chris Mac
yeah she was Yeah, she was good for the little bit she was in there.
01:29:13
Maurice Green
Yeah.
01:29:14
Chris Mac
I think she was only there for like, what, two minutes, maybe?
01:29:16
Maurice Green
Just about, but I mean, it was enough. It was it was a two minutes, but it was a very, very productive and entertaining two minutes.
01:29:19
Chris Mac
Yeah.
01:29:25
Maurice Green
um And also, ah ah Wade Barrett needs to chill the fuck out.
01:29:34
Chris Mac
Yeah.
01:29:35
Maurice Green
ah He needs to chill out. Yeah. yeah Yeah, when Maxine was in there. oh But yeah, but back to the men's.
01:29:46
Maurice Green
Yeah, but but once I saw a Braun, so once I once speed, he was just like whatever doing his showboating stuff to the crowd. And once I just knew I'm like, Braun, go run.
01:30:00
Maurice Green
He's going to try to spear him. And lo and behold, he starts moving.
01:30:02
Chris Mac
Yeah.
01:30:02
Maurice Green
I'm like, shit, he's going to spear. He's going to spear him. But even though I anticipated the spear, I did not. i I didn't, that looked vicious. and But at the same time, that was the most vicious, but yet protective looking spear I've seen.
01:30:20
Maurice Green
Because clearly like in slow motion, you could clearly see like, nah, like he's, you know, he he, and shout out to, I shall speed, first of all, for even, he took that he he took that bump,
01:30:20
Chris Mac
Yeah.
01:30:30
Chris Mac
yeah
01:30:33
Chris Mac
Agreed to take that, take that bump, man. Not only that bump, but the table's bump too.
01:30:38
Maurice Green
He took that bump like a pro like that cuz that could have went bad that could have went left field man He landed with a person of bronze stature in the speed Holy shit, man That's
01:30:44
Chris Mac
Yeah.
01:30:50
Chris Mac
You got it cooked, man.
01:30:54
Maurice Green
Bro, but that that that one part, man, how viral and went so quickly, ridiculous. And and and I mean, it it proved its it did its point. its it It did its job. And kudos to whoever had the the wise idea booking this rumble to to incorporate that spot.
01:31:18
Maurice Green
into there. And what was so nice, ah it didn't take away from the rumble at all. You know, you got some people who complain about oh why this person like you said, why are they taking a spot, and you know, whatever. But this was it just it just fell in line with just the overall flow to rumble and the crowd was in it like everybody is not like in enough people know who I show speed is like Is he like our cup of tea?
01:31:42
Chris Mac
Yeah.
01:31:43
Maurice Green
No, like he's not for us, but at the same time, like we, we respected and you know, cause like dog, like that's just like, yo, that's just the nature of.
01:31:52
Chris Mac
Like you get 100 million viewers, man.
01:31:55
Maurice Green
Yeah.
01:31:56
Chris Mac
That's what the, that's what the product's about. It's like getting the most eyes on it, you know, and get it driving these metrics and getting this, you know, getting numbers so they can make a few more billion dollars.
01:32:00
Maurice Green
That's it. Yes.
01:32:09
Maurice Green
That's right. That's right, man. Excuse me. But um as the match went on, um you know the ring filled up a little bit. But then ah business really picked up when Jacob came in there, man.
01:32:26
Maurice Green
like
01:32:28
Maurice Green
Yeah, he he came in there, like started just trying to fight everybody. Shout out to the Miz. The Miz always there.
01:32:35
Chris Mac
Yeah.
01:32:35
Maurice Green
the you know But ah then the first really big surprise happened where a TNA champion. You know who I'm talking about.
01:32:47
Maurice Green
Say his name and he'll appear. You believe in Joe Hendry?
01:32:50
Chris Mac
well I mean, I think everyone called it, you know,
01:32:52
Maurice Green
Yes, sir.
01:32:53
Chris Mac
Like this was like the best kept, I mean, the biggest, you know, worst kept secret.
01:32:56
Maurice Green
Worst kept secret.
01:32:58
Maurice Green
Yeah. Yeah.
01:32:58
Chris Mac
I would say, uh, that Joe Hendrix is going to be in the rumble.
01:33:01
Maurice Green
Yeah.
01:33:02
Chris Mac
And the fact that he represented, uh, the rumble as a TNA world champion was cool. Uh, and you know, he got, he got himself a shine spot and, um, he meant he he eliminated the miss himself, right?
01:33:15
Maurice Green
I think that was Roman.
01:33:15
Chris Mac
Or what's that Roman?
01:33:18
Chris Mac
Yeah. Anyway, you know, he managed to get some shine in a little bit. You know, it was cool. You know, he he did the, you know, the we will rock you clapping shit and the crowd was going crazy.
01:33:27
Maurice Green
Yeah.
01:33:29
Chris Mac
You know, and she was, you know, he was egging it on and whatnot. ah It did right after that. Number 16 is fucking Roman Reigns.
01:33:41
Maurice Green
Actually.
01:33:41
Chris Mac
Everyone stopped in the ring.
01:33:43
Chris Mac
Everyone stopped. They was like, damn, here you go. This Roman. yeah He took care of miss got him out Okay gave like Hendry some shine like for a little bit and he got him out spirit him got him out of there And then brown breaker came through.
01:33:50
Maurice Green
yeahp Yep.
01:33:57
Maurice Green
Got Seamus out.
01:33:59
Chris Mac
Oh, yeah, also knock out shavings, but the brown breaker one was interesting because I
01:34:03
Maurice Green
Dawg. Dawg. Yes.
01:34:05
Chris Mac
They went up, they went, you know, they went to charge for a spear and Brown beat him.
01:34:09
Maurice Green
Bro.
01:34:10
Chris Mac
Like he wrecked him with that spear.
01:34:12
Maurice Green
Dog, I think that actually hurt him, bro.
01:34:12
Chris Mac
But I, I feel like he could have made that, made that elimination spot breathe a little longer. Uh, just, just so he can soak it in. before trying to do the elimination because in a way, it felt like Roman no sold him.
01:34:26
Chris Mac
But in reality, you know, he just used that last bit of a adrenaline and veteran savvy to get him out because he went he collapsed immediately after throwing him out the ring.
01:34:31
Maurice Green
Yeah, yeah.
01:34:35
Maurice Green
Nah, bro, because I think Bron hurt.
01:34:38
Chris Mac
That spear was insane.
01:34:39
Maurice Green
Bron Bron Bron legit, I think, like took the wind out of Roman.
01:34:40
Chris Mac
and
01:34:43
Maurice Green
I really think that he did make his.
01:34:45
Chris Mac
I felt like that was one of those spots. It's like, yeah, a lot has changed since you last left, man.
01:34:51
Maurice Green
Yeah, I mean, that elimination. It could it could. It could come back. Think it's something that that could be come back to you, given how member months ago last year,
01:35:09
Maurice Green
Brian Braker, while he was still in NXT, remember Paul Heyman came on behalf um behalf of the Tribal Chief with that big NXT episode where, yeah.
01:35:21
Chris Mac
Yeah.
01:35:23
Maurice Green
ah So I remember remember that part. you know ah That was the thing that came and immediately to my mind when Brian Braker had speared Roman and Paul Heyman was just like freaking out.
01:35:37
Maurice Green
I'm like, yeah, yeah, Paul, that's the dude that you endorse also.
01:35:41
Chris Mac
Yeah.
01:35:41
Maurice Green
Yeah. So like I said, that's something that I think. I think people should think about later on. I don't know when their paths may cross, but I think you could, I think you could see something where the past going across and they may have a match in the future.
01:35:57
Maurice Green
I don't know, but I think that's given how Paul Heyman, his mind works. I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised if that's something lined up in the future.
01:36:05
Chris Mac
Yeah.
01:36:07
Maurice Green
um But that's about, like you said, Mayor Roman, like that that took the win out. But then, like you said, It felt like immediately like he just got a second wind and just eliminated prom break like it was like, like, where did you get this energy from, bro?
01:36:28
Maurice Green
Like you would just, you would just literally like all hunched from the spear, like out of breath and shit, man. All of a sudden he just got up. ah yeah He just channeled his super Roman again and threw his ass out, man.
01:36:38
Chris Mac
yeah
01:36:44
Maurice Green
And then, that's when you had the ah ah face-to-face between him and Jacob, you know.
01:36:50
Chris Mac
Yeah. Mm hmm.
01:36:52
Maurice Green
But I will say, the person that was, that did not show up at all in his rumble, was a solo.
01:37:01
Maurice Green
Solo's to go.
01:37:01
Chris Mac
There was no solo.
01:37:03
Chris Mac
He has still disappeared. You know, he, he still lost his smile, which is interesting. You know, I was like, well, he's not in the rumble.
01:37:12
Maurice Green
Right.
01:37:12
Chris Mac
Uh, is he going to show up on smack down? Like what's, what's going on there?
01:37:17
Maurice Green
Yeah.
01:37:17
Chris Mac
Because at this moment, it looks like Tom and Jacob, they're like, they're doing, doing stuff on their own and they're acting like it as well.
01:37:22
Maurice Green
Right. Right. Yep. Yep, exactly. But really, man, once Roman came in, I mean, this is when the rumble really this is when the shit really was like I put we're on we're on a rocket ship to the top now.
01:37:41
Maurice Green
Because this is when the who's who of all the WWE superstars show up in this Royal Rumble.
01:37:43
Chris Mac
Yeah.
01:37:51
Maurice Green
I mean, listen, I'm going to go down the list. After Roman comes in, Drew McIntyre comes in. And you already know how he feels about Roman.
01:38:01
Chris Mac
yeah
01:38:01
Maurice Green
Then you have Finn Balor comes in. He comes in there, which isn't me, but was there like any Finn? I didn't get hear any, any pop or anything for Finn when he came out, man.
01:38:14
Maurice Green
Like it was just silent.
01:38:15
Chris Mac
Because of that damn music, man. They don't know what to expect with that damn music, man.
01:38:16
Maurice Green
yeah
01:38:19
Maurice Green
Talk. I felt bad because it's like nobody. And I'm like, this has been baller. Like, that's yeah, it's crazy how that music, it just changes.
01:38:32
Maurice Green
ah But then Shinsuke came in, former Royal Rumble winner, um you know, comes in there and then Jey Uso comes in.
01:38:38
Chris Mac
here
01:38:43
Maurice Green
Number 20. So you know what that means. Everybody's eating all over the place and and and over there in Indianapolis. And the hits just kept on coming, man. Of course, you know.
01:38:58
Maurice Green
You have Jay in there. You got Roman in there too. Oh, and then you got drew in there because you know how drew has been wanting to go on a revenge tour.
01:39:06
Chris Mac
Mm hmm.
01:39:06
Maurice Green
You know, drew got his licks in there. You know, I get it. And then another surprise comes out. AJ styles who's been missing in action from rehabbing for me.
01:39:16
Chris Mac
That truly shocked me.
01:39:18
Maurice Green
You know, I, heard.
01:39:20
Chris Mac
It shocked me for real.
01:39:22
Maurice Green
I will say this, I heard some inkling of it, but I didn't, I didn't believe, I didn't take the, I didn't, ah given who the source was, I didn't believe it.
01:39:34
Maurice Green
Um, cause I just don't, this is one source. I was just like, nah, they, they, they miss on a lot. They miss on a lot.
01:39:42
Chris Mac
Yeah.
01:39:42
Maurice Green
And I was just like, nah, okay, whatever. But. Lo and behold, he comes out and he comes out with the original theme that he came with.
01:39:54
Maurice Green
He went back to the regular phenomenal one, which I mean, I'm glad. And would you believe it? People heard the song and they went fucking nuts like they did when he first came into debut in a rumble.
01:39:55
Chris Mac
yeah
01:40:07
Maurice Green
Oh, and it goes to show that right there shows you like music.
01:40:12
Chris Mac
Yeah.
01:40:12
Maurice Green
The music. That's it. That's all you. Because that new shit, but nobody was rocking with it. Nobody liked it. So kudos to whoever made the decision to just go back to that. And I mean, yeah i mean he looked great.
01:40:24
Maurice Green
AJ looked great. He was moving. He was moving.
01:40:27
Chris Mac
Quick like like he is like what makes you believe that that that that foot injury or egg wager you have
01:40:28
Maurice Green
Yeah.
01:40:34
Chris Mac
was it's a fear that I thought it would be because he was just moving like at the lightning pace.
01:40:36
Maurice Green
No.
01:40:40
Chris Mac
He's still still looking like that. He's still got a couple of years left in on man, but I don't know. It looked like he's he's probably trying to call it a career within the next year or two, but now ah with the announcement now that he's been moved to Monday Night Raw where I should expect, you know, some big things coming his way going forward.
01:40:56
Maurice Green
Yeah.
01:41:00
Maurice Green
Yeah. Yes. Yeah. But, um, so as a match, come on, you know, everybody else comes out. Then, uh, this is a bronze show me, but then once number 23 come 23 hits, John Cena, I found it apropos and kind of ironic, but kind of a wink, wink.
01:41:14
Chris Mac
Mm hmm. Yeah, he's number 23 as a goat.
01:41:18
Maurice Green
The fact that he came out the number 23.
01:41:21
Maurice Green
Yes. it Yes. It then see him. Then what I had predicted would. Kind of predicted what was going to happen, wind up happening. Cena comes out, big pop. You know how it is with him. CM Punk then comes out, my lucky my number 24. So shout out to CM Punk for coming out that number. Then Seth Rollins comes out.
01:41:21
Chris Mac
Yes.
01:41:46
Maurice Green
So now you have in everybody else's line, like all laid out. So the only four people that are standing that all came out is Roman, Cena, Punk and Rollins, which I originally thought was going to wind up being the final a four which I was wrong with but
01:41:51
Chris Mac
yeah
01:42:02
Maurice Green
Still they had their moment in there. Um, it was just look them looking around then Dominic Mysterio comes out and and kind of breaks everything up Sammy Zane Damien priest la night in Logan Paul finished off the field and Man I Gotta say that that was a very
01:42:13
Chris Mac
Yeah.
01:42:17
Chris Mac
Mm hmm.
01:42:26
Maurice Green
It was a lot of shit going on with the the last eliminations there, but a lot of stuff going on.
01:42:30
Chris Mac
Yeah, very exhilarating.
01:42:32
Maurice Green
So the big thing that happened, um, before, before J. Uso won was, um, so you had Roman and,
01:42:46
Maurice Green
Seth Rollins right they of course at one point it was just both of them in ring beautiful camera shot where he was like the focus awesome and of course they get into their shit because you know it always comes back to them you know that's just how it is
01:42:48
Chris Mac
hu
01:43:01
Chris Mac
Yeah.
01:43:02
Maurice Green
And, you know, the nexus breakup was the the next, the the shield break up was the next, the shield break up was the nexus point for feels like for w WWE, um, in whatever the past 10, 10 plus years.
01:43:07
Chris Mac
Shield.
01:43:11
Chris Mac
Mm hmm.
01:43:18
Maurice Green
And, uh, so they're battling out, they're trying to eliminate each other than CM Punk being You know, every person is for themselves. CM Punk goes and dumps both of them over.
01:43:29
Maurice Green
So, of course, they're both pissed. Roman Reigns is pissed. Like, what the fuck are you doing, bro? And, of course, as CM Punk is smirking, just reassessing, looking at both of them, Logan Paul comes from behind and eliminates Punk.
01:43:43
Maurice Green
So now you have Punk and Roman.
01:43:44
Chris Mac
it took a so off the ball
01:43:46
Maurice Green
Yep. Always, always. Just distraction, distraction. He just doesn't keep focus. so He's right there with Punk. Punk is right there with Roman.
01:43:56
Maurice Green
they're They're right next to each other. Roman is barking at Punk, talking like, what are you doing? We were just teammates a couple of months ago. What are you doing? Whatever, going back and forth. So as they going back and forth, Seth Rollins in the corner, they're like, oh, I told people the next time I see this motherfucker, I am going to stop him.
01:44:10
Chris Mac
You got to take a sigh off the ball.
01:44:17
Maurice Green
As he told Solo ah before War Games. Lo and behold, as Roman is talking to punk, Seth Rollins said, oh, I'm going to get him. Does the curb stomp, but he doesn't do it with one foot. My man jumps up.
01:44:33
Maurice Green
and uses both feet, it almost like he did the coup de gras on Roman's head, on the outside. That thud sounded nasty.
01:44:44
Maurice Green
ah I was like, oh, oh, like one, bruh.
01:44:45
Chris Mac
Yeah. It was all foot on the face, man.
01:44:50
Maurice Green
I was like, god damn. And then he proceeds after that, he just says, oh, i'm a and then him and punk was fighting over, you know, whatever. They're doing their shit outside the ring. Roman gets up, he's trying to recollect his thoughts, he's hunched over the the steel steps.
01:45:07
Maurice Green
After Sefrall's knocks down punk or whatever, Sef sees Roman onto the ring and gives him another one, another curb stop.
01:45:18
Chris Mac
Mmhmm.
01:45:20
Maurice Green
Like, bruh. And of course, like Roman is like, he's done for. like He's just out there, just totally loopy and concussed, don't know what the hell is going on.
01:45:31
Maurice Green
So while all of that is happening and they're going back and forth, ah Seth Rollins sees um Paul Heyman and gets in his face and gives him the finger and and and you know storms off and shit. Meanwhile, in the ring, it winds up coming down to eventually ah Logan Paul, John Cena, and Jey Uso.
Jey Uso's Victory and Future Speculations
01:45:57
Maurice Green
um I think it was, what was it? what It was Jay that eliminated, it was Cena. Cena eliminated Logan Paul, ah which large pop for that, thank God, did not want to see Logan Paul win, or being a final to any of that shit.
01:46:06
Chris Mac
Yeah.
01:46:13
Maurice Green
um So it comes down to Cena and Jay Uso, which, you know,
01:46:18
Maurice Green
one person I predicted Cena which was a lot of people thought that Cena could possibly win you know on his comeback thing um and then we have Jey Uso which listen Jey Uso in the past four years man like you you got to be we're not going to go over but if you've been following the bloodline stuff going on um for the past four or five years then What will wind up happening with Jey Uso winning the Rumble who wouldn't shouldn't come as a shot.
01:46:49
Maurice Green
um But the fact that he eliminated Cena to win it, the guy deserves it. The guy has been so fucking over with the crowd for God knows how long.
01:47:02
Chris Mac
Uh-huh.
01:47:05
Maurice Green
um dating back to to you know right after um not too much not too long after mania 39 which when you know after you know Roman retained that mania but you know The Usos lost the title tag title belts to Sami Zayn and Kevin Owens. And them being punished and reprimanded for losing the titles and you know and that horrible deal. And leading up to now, man, Jay also had even Roman anointed him as going to wind up being the next guy, the heir to the throne.
01:47:48
Maurice Green
the tribal chief, wherever it is, head of the table. And we fast forward to now, I mean, even that that title match that he had, what was that that money in bank or was it, that Money in Bank or SummerSlam?
01:47:59
Maurice Green
That um he had the match with Roman, ah which Jimmy had screwed him.
01:48:04
Chris Mac
Right. It was summer slam tribal combat.
01:48:06
Maurice Green
SummerSlam.
01:48:07
Maurice Green
Yeah, yeah. So you know he had that opportunity. And think about the people, think about how over he was even leading up to that match.
01:48:07
Chris Mac
Yes.
01:48:17
Chris Mac
Yeah.
01:48:17
Maurice Green
You know, people tend to forget, like, he was over even leading up to that because of the fact that just off the fact that he betrayed and went against um Roman. And when he got screwed by Jimmy, people got pissed. Like, I don't, it's funny how people forgot how pissed everybody was about that, like, no, another long reign, of another few months of Roman.
01:48:44
Maurice Green
in the same bloodline stuff, you remember that. That was a lot of narrative on the internet about that shit. People were pissed about Jey not winning that title at SummerSlam. So it's funny to me how we fast forward all this time and now Jey was so wise at winning the Voral Rumble and people had issues about that.
01:49:02
Maurice Green
Not that those people actually matter, but it just goes to show to the defickleness of just wrestling online community and that whole shit. and But essentially, there is you can make the argument. I mean, really, there is nobody right now outside of you know Cody Rhodes, really, and seeing punk, you know those those guys, or Roman, you know that are are getting those type of punk.
01:49:30
Maurice Green
ah pops like that and the reaction but the way he is able to interact with these people with these fans the kids I mean it's fun it's interactive everybody loves doing that shit man it's easy hell Michael Cole does a damn thing and we know we can see that Michael Cole ain't got a liquor rhythm in his damn body but the man still does it the man still goes and tries to does the heat thing I mean him him and even Pat McAfee like
01:49:30
Chris Mac
Okay. Mm hmm.
01:49:58
Maurice Green
you know ah You ain't got to have a perfect rhythm to do it du the shit, but it's fun. Everybody loves it, man. and
01:50:05
Chris Mac
yeah air Everybody loves to eat down.
01:50:07
Maurice Green
Yeah, man. Yeah, it's and it's it's like I said, it's fun. People love it. I can't wait to see that in Vegas it with all those people in there, man. I really can't wait. That's one of the entrances, man. I i cannot wait to be be there and be part of and see. Man, to see 70,000, 70 plus thousand people doing all that, like that's ah that's a crazy sight. On TV, it's crazy.
01:50:32
Maurice Green
so I mean you could feel it man like the fans love it they they they they dig his his persona his character man I mean it's come on like it's it's to me it like you said it was a dark horse but damn it man if there's a dark horse I mean, shit, let it be him, man.
01:50:50
Maurice Green
And and yes, he had his match with Gunther at Saturday Night Main Event literally a week before um the Rumble.
01:50:59
Chris Mac
Mm hmm.
01:50:59
Maurice Green
And he lost that title match, that title shot. But let's be real here, people. How many times in wrestling have we seen people lose that first attempt and then they could you know and then they get it the second time?
01:51:11
Maurice Green
However, I want to point out to this as it seems evident that he is going to go for their his title because I don't think he's going to go after Cody. um But that even though he's going to smack down to talk with Cody but we know we know what the plan is. oh i Will say this is my this is what gives me pause about To try to make an assumption that he's gonna win it at mania now I'm not saying that that doesn't mean that he's not and probably more likely he will But what gives me kind of pause is this and it's something I had mentioned I wanted to talk to you about Are they really going to do two years in a row where going to lose the title at mania?
01:51:55
Chris Mac
Yes.
01:51:58
Chris Mac
Why not?
01:51:59
Maurice Green
Oh, man, that's I mean, it's just whether it's on purpose or not.
01:52:00
Chris Mac
You know.
01:52:06
Maurice Green
It's just crazy how that's aligning like that.
01:52:09
Chris Mac
Yeah, that he like it. WrestleMania is his curse. Like he'll dominate like the other 360 days of the year but when it comes to WrestleMania, it's his Achilles heel. Yeah, that's a definitely a good story to run by.
01:52:21
Chris Mac
Uh because it's so far, what is he? One and one? Uh and the and just like it is last one, he's not, well, he's going to say he's going to be, he's going to make Jake's life a living hell if he chooses him as his opponent.
01:52:25
Maurice Green
Yeah. Yeah.
01:52:37
Chris Mac
Um and I just don't see him like winning like like this is it like this is Jay's opportunity Jay's chance to win like this is this is his moment like he's the dude now like this bloodline story has been paid in full and it's it's time for him to reap the benefits of it.
01:52:45
Maurice Green
Oh, yeah, I agree. Yeah.
01:52:52
Maurice Green
Yes.
01:52:55
Maurice Green
Yes, indeed.
01:52:56
Chris Mac
um yeah He's the biggest thing so they're they're striking while the iron's hot and that's something that you want to do as a as a professional wrestling company um when you have a talent like Jay who's so
01:52:56
Maurice Green
Yeah.
01:53:00
Maurice Green
As they should.
01:53:04
Maurice Green
As they should.
01:53:07
Maurice Green
Mm-hmm.
01:53:08
Chris Mac
that is so over with the crowd. So popular.
01:53:11
Maurice Green
That's it. Yeah.
01:53:12
Chris Mac
um and He's so good at what he does like just with his interest. He has the best interest in wrestling today right now.
01:53:21
Maurice Green
Yes.
01:53:21
Chris Mac
You know that everybody's doing the **** down for 10 long minutes every night.
01:53:24
Maurice Green
Yep.
01:53:27
Maurice Green
Yeah.
01:53:28
Chris Mac
So, for him to do that, um yeah, it's going to be cool and they have great matches like all three of their matches so far up this point has been really **** good and I'm expecting no different.
01:53:28
Maurice Green
Yeah.
01:53:37
Maurice Green
Yeah.
01:53:40
Maurice Green
Right.
01:53:40
Chris Mac
come wrestle me anytime because they want to, you know, if people want to see Jay, you know, win the big one.
01:53:41
Maurice Green
Yeah, man.
01:53:46
Maurice Green
Damn, man. But that's and like Lilly right after J1. And he in the height of the moment, the emotion he he he had proclaimed, he said who he's going to go after what belt he wanted when Jackie Redmond and interviewed him afterwards.
01:54:00
Chris Mac
Hmm.
01:54:04
Maurice Green
He tried to clear it up in in a press conference and stuff. But I was like, no, bro, you've the cat is out the bag. I get it. You got excited, man. Also. One last thing, because and we're kind of going along.
01:54:15
Maurice Green
So apologies for that. Speaking of getting excited, Penta, he almost fucked it up. Getting a little too excited at the beginning.
01:54:24
Chris Mac
Whoo, yeah, man. Hey.
01:54:25
Maurice Green
Because his feet touched somebody.
01:54:28
Chris Mac
I think there was a elimination mishap in last year's Rumble if I'm not mistaken, right? I don't know if it's men or the women's one, but hey, we just got to let it rock.
01:54:38
Maurice Green
Yeah. Yeah.
01:54:39
Chris Mac
What happened? Let it rock.
01:54:40
Maurice Green
Yeah.
01:54:42
Maurice Green
Yeah. Yeah.
01:54:42
Chris Mac
I think it was Kyrie, actually.
01:54:44
Chris Mac
Yes, yes. She last year, she tried to hang on, but they just kicked her off.
01:54:46
Maurice Green
Oh, yes. She tried to hang on to the apron.
01:54:52
Maurice Green
Yeah. Yes, yes, yeah. So I mean, it's, you know, like I said, man, it's. You know, say Jay, it's the right person.
01:54:52
Chris Mac
hi
01:55:03
Maurice Green
They put it on the right person. like seenna And going to have his elimination chamber opportunity. you know um I don't know. it Who faces Cody is going to be the more interesting storyline, I think.
01:55:18
Maurice Green
um Because as we alluded to, but Raw, yeah, yeah.
01:55:22
Chris Mac
and see this come across as desperate too.
01:55:25
Maurice Green
and you know Oh my gosh. Are we going to have peacemaker versus a homelander?
01:55:34
Chris Mac
a Homelander.
01:55:34
Maurice Green
Oh Lord.
01:55:37
Maurice Green
Um, but it's because Kevin, no one's look like, he's going to be spoken for, um, for, for media.
01:55:45
Chris Mac
Yeah.
01:55:46
Maurice Green
Um, which. leads to Sami Zayn, him attacking Sami Zayn, which, yay, we get Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn. What is this, uh, what 20 version number 22 or whatever of their rivalry.
01:56:03
Maurice Green
Um, so yeah, so yeah, you know, we got that, we got that coming up. So things that slowly taking shape.
01:56:10
Chris Mac
shit might be held in cell this time around.
01:56:13
Maurice Green
o
01:56:15
Chris Mac
Mm hmm.
01:56:15
Maurice Green
o but the last hele in the at mania the well the last hell in the cell at mania you know it was okay but
01:56:24
Maurice Green
nobody really no no this is really this is really i know ah i know this is yeah this is different in the way how they do how to sell matches now dates they do it right so, um, so yeah, so it makes it like let Jay, so be let him be let people be happy about it let him celebrate um very deserving guy to win that and you know,
01:56:24
Chris Mac
Yeah, but this is Kevin Owens in 17 is not edge.
01:56:49
Maurice Green
let's just uh let's just see what happens um on the road man you know the next couple of weeks i mean this is just a lot the way everything's going these days a lot of stuff may happen and um i haven't seen anything happen yet um in in nba trade talks so um that may not happen until maybe tomorrow but we'll find out but once again everybody um thank you um for rocking with us um definitely went a little bit long but a lot of shit went down in the past you know so this this past week so and like i said and that's not even including the whole grammy stuff and but that's that's a total
01:57:19
Chris Mac
Yeah, man. It's heavy.
01:57:28
Maurice Green
you know, different conversation, maybe a topic in another time. But um but definitely, yeah yeah, I'll be safe out there. um Definitely the weather is getting a little bit warmer.
01:57:39
Maurice Green
Thank you.
01:57:40
Chris Mac
Mhm.
01:57:41
Maurice Green
Oh, man, sunlight is out a little bit longer. So for all those people out there, we're almost there. We're almost back to warm weather. But again, ah thanks for rocking with us.
01:57:53
Maurice Green
And wow, the next episode is going to be 100, man.
01:57:58
Chris Mac
Wow, we're almost here dog.
01:57:59
Maurice Green
Yeah, we're old. ah ah We're old. All right. Later, everybody. Thank you again.
01:58:05
Chris Mac
Peace.