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Speaker: Hello everybody, welcome to the Metal Mama podcast.
Speaker: My name is Candice, otherwise known as the Metal Mama.
Speaker: And today I finally have the one thing that I've been talking about.
Speaker: You guys heard about it on two episodes ago with Pete Rawcliffe.
Speaker: We finally got a lady in metal here and I'm going to let her introduce ourselves.
Speaker: Hi, I'm Charlotte Bickler.
Speaker: I'm the front woman for Terminal Dusk from Portland, Oregon.
Speaker: We are technically a female fronted symphonic metal band, but honestly, we have like a lot of prog rock influences and, you know, metal influences.
Speaker: So it's kind of hard to put us in a box.
Speaker: I love that though.
Speaker: That's great.
Speaker: And you guys were, you guys are new on my radar.
Speaker: So you were introduced to me through a Discord server that we all share.
Speaker: And that was like how I first heard of you guys.
Speaker: So tell, just kind of like give everybody a little bit of whatever info you want to give about your band.
Speaker: So it was kind of a weird situation how it came together.
Speaker: We were really born of the pandemic, right?
Speaker: Oh, nice.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Suddenly having just a lot of time on our hands.
Speaker: And, uh, Matt was actually, he's the founder of the project and he's like the one that came up with the name and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker: He had gone through a few singers trying to find, you know, exactly what he was looking for and was kind of struggling with that.
Speaker: I was with a completely different project.
Speaker: Um,
Speaker: I'm not sure if you know what Mass Effect is, but it is my favorite video game series of all time.
Speaker: I had written a song with this other project that was based off of like the storyline of Mass Effect.
Speaker: And we had gone to a studio, hired an engineer, hoping to get that track released when the Legendary Edition came out.
Speaker: But like the guitarist never recorded his part.
Speaker: So that song never, yeah, like never left the ground.
Speaker: And we spent money like on studio time and stuff.
Speaker: But as luck would have it, the engineer, his name is Andy Green.
Speaker: He's like, I have this friend, Matt, that I really think you should get in contact with.
Speaker: Oh, yep.
Speaker: So that's how we joined forces.
Speaker: And we started doing stuff, just the two of us, for quite a while.
Speaker: And then Kevin was the first one to join on our lead guitarist.
Speaker: And then we picked up Sean Bayer, who is on drums.
Speaker: And then more recently, we just added Roya Hellbender on bass.
Speaker: And she's amazing.
Speaker: And just really was like the missing piece for us.
Speaker: And now we're a full-fledged five-piece band.
Speaker: Yay!
Speaker: Yay!
Speaker: I love that.
Speaker: Yeah, and I noticed that your bass player is also a lady, which I'm like, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And we definitely like bond over the nerdy side of things.
Speaker: So that's fun too.
Speaker: Yeah, you and I have already bonded over that very quickly on Discord.
Speaker: We were like, oh, wait a minute, we're now friends.
Speaker: We're nerds.
Speaker: And especially, like, not to, like, call out our ages or anything, but...
Speaker: Growing up in the time that we did, it wasn't like cool or accepted to be a nerd in the way that it's kind of becoming now.
Speaker: So when you find ladies like around our age or from our generation that like stuck it out and they're like, you know what, I'm just gonna love this no matter what.
Speaker: It's kind of rare.
Speaker: Mm hmm.
Speaker: Yeah, it is.
Speaker: But you're right.
Speaker: It was always like, you know, because I remember being young and like, you know, being kind of nerdy and getting made fun of for it.
Speaker: And now it's like, oh, you're a nerd.
Speaker: That's so cool.
Speaker: It's like, wait a minute.
Speaker: Like, where were you 20 years ago?
Speaker: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker: Absolutely.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And that's but metalheads like for not always, but for the most part, we're kind of nerdy.
Speaker: Yeah, I think that there's some truth in that.
Speaker: For sure.
Speaker: Like a lot of metal heads I meet are, you know, into something nerdy.
Speaker: Tons of us play Dungeons and Dragons.
Speaker: And like, you know, I've got a couple of people that I talk to that are like massive fans of Tolkien.
Speaker: Of course, we know some metal bands are huge fans of Tolkien.
Speaker: Oh, absolutely.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And I think it's kind of a natural transition just because when you think about the lyrics or even the composition of a lot of like metal, especially European metal bands, it's very based in fantasy like realms.
Speaker: So it just, yeah, it just kind of makes sense.
Speaker: And plus when you're like in the middle of a battle in Dungeons and Dragons and you want to have music playing, like you're not listening to Dua Lipa.
Speaker: I mean, you need some like glory hammer or something.
Speaker: Yeah, you're listening.
Speaker: Exactly.
Speaker: You're listening to something that's going to make you be like, I want to hit this with my sword.
Speaker: Exactly.
Speaker: I always, I'm the DM for my current campaign and I always threaten my players and tell them that one day they're going to end up with a bunch of one shots just based off like songs from power metal bands.
Speaker: I have threatened that many times.
Speaker: I'm probably going to end up doing it too.
Speaker: I promise.
Speaker: That would be amazing.
Speaker: I already wrote one that's based off a song from Rhapsody of Fire.
Speaker: And I was like, yeah, I was like, this would be a perfect one shot.
Speaker: And I had listened to Induction's new EP and there was one song where I was like, this could be a D&D campaign so easily.
Speaker: Rhapsody of Fire too.
Speaker: They're like,
Speaker: Speaking of like epic sounding bands, they're like absolutely who you want to have.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: They're like the perfect.
Speaker: That's the other thing with metal is like metal is the perfect D&D soundtrack.
Speaker: It absolutely is.
Speaker: Yes, absolutely is.
Speaker: And that's, that's the other reason why I think so many of us are like in nerdy in some way, shape or form.
Speaker: Yeah, I would absolutely agree.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So before we get into like just chit-chatting on stuff, I know that you guys just had a brand new music video come out.
Speaker: So let's, let's talk about that.
Speaker: Definitely.
Speaker: So the song is also the title track of the EP.
Speaker: It's called Marionette.
Speaker: Originally when Matt was writing it, I think he was kind of like being inspired by Star Set a little bit.
Speaker: And they're,
Speaker: They're a band that he and I love and like one of our common, like strong love bands.
Speaker: But for some reason, when I listened to it, I kept getting circus vibes.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: And so I definitely, when I wrote the melody and like the vocal parts, cause I write and record all the harmonies as well.
Speaker: When I was thinking of the scale I was going to write it in, I went for a very like circus style scale as well with a lot of the minors and the dissonant notes and things like that.
Speaker: And so when we went to go do the music video, it felt like it only made sense to continue with that circus feel.
Speaker: And then we brought on Sergio, who his band is called Inaria, and he has Wild Thorn Productions as well.
Speaker: He's been our engineer for some time with the mixing of the songs and nobody knows them better than him.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: So it felt like a natural choice to be like, Hey, Sergio, we want to make this video.
Speaker: What do you think?
Speaker: And so we put our ideas out there and collaborated with him and, um,
Speaker: he was the mastermind behind getting the stilt walker to be the puppet master.
Speaker: So he would be, you know, bigger than me as he's manipulating the strings and stuff.
Speaker: And so, yeah, it was, it was all pretty seamless.
Speaker: Everybody kind of had the same vision, which is nice.
Speaker: Oh, that's super cool.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: And so, because, you know, we are an independent band and fans,
Speaker: you know, financing ourselves and everything.
Speaker: We, we definitely hired Sergio and paid for him to come out, but, um, we ended up filming in a, uh, a warehouse.
Speaker: Uh, I was in studio, but it was not, it was a warehouse.
Speaker: And, uh, and, uh, our guitarist, Kevin works, uh, for Moto Corsa, which is a motorcycle shop.
Speaker: And so we got one of their warehouses and it had no AC or anything.
Speaker: And it was well over 100 degrees both days that we were filming.
Speaker: You have people going out to their cars just to get like the AC going.
Speaker: And, you know, my makeup was melting off.
Speaker: I was just going to ask, like, how did you handle that with not just your makeup, but your clothes, too?
Speaker: Because you're like wearing a corset and everything.
Speaker: I know it was, uh, yeah, definitely a lot of water, a lot of trips out to the car for the air conditioning.
Speaker: Oh man.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: That's a lot.
Speaker: You gotta like, like just cake on the ceiling spray at that point.
Speaker: Oh my gosh.
Speaker: It's so true.
Speaker: Well, and like, it was such a funny conversation because you know, guys, they're not, you know, most guys are not as knowledgeable about makeup.
Speaker: And I had the, uh, the setting spray.
Speaker: And they're like, what is that?
Speaker: And you explain it.
Speaker: They're like, it's like hairspray for your face.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I mean, kind of.
Speaker: Yeah, it just doesn't, you know, it's not going to burn you like hairspray would if it gets in your eyes.
Speaker: But yeah, that's accurate.
Speaker: Yeah, conceptually, that's about right.
Speaker: Yeah, that works.
Speaker: Oh, man.
Speaker: 100 degrees in that.
Speaker: I cannot imagine how rough that was for you.
Speaker: Well, I mean, it's not like, you know, the guys were in much...
Speaker: you know, more breathable clothing than we were.
Speaker: So everyone's got their jackets and, you know, their leathers and stuff.
Speaker: And so it was definitely an interesting situation for all of us.
Speaker: I was actually just going to bring that up and be like, that's actually pretty brutal for the entirety because it's a metal band, which means you've got your leather and the whole nine yards.
Speaker: And none of that is great for 100 degree, like sweltering warehouse filming.
Speaker: No, and poor Sean, you know, we were playing the song live.
Speaker: Like, some people pantomime it, I think, but we, like, just went for it.
Speaker: And, like, Sean's playing the drums, which already, like, works up a sweat anyway.
Speaker: Oh, yeah.
Speaker: So we're like, are you okay back there?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It's like, you know, like dousing him in water in between takes like you're fine, man.
Speaker: It's cool.
Speaker: We probably should have been.
Speaker: I have this imagined like, you know, treating him like a boxer.
Speaker: You know how the coach is like, come on, get back in there.
Speaker: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker: That's kind of what just popped in my head.
Speaker: I was like, that probably happened.
Speaker: And now it did in my head.
Speaker: Yeah, I think that becomes canon now.
Speaker: I'm so glad you understand what head canon is.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Oh, absolutely.
Speaker: I think you have to being a gamer, like you have to fill in the blanks sometimes.
Speaker: As a side note, I will come back to the video.
Speaker: I don't know if you've ever heard of the two girls, one shit podcast, but I am a major fan girl of theirs and hang out in the, so sorry that I turned that off my phone.
Speaker: I spend time in their discord as well.
Speaker: And they have a whole like sub, um,
Speaker: channel for mundane moments that people make up as their headcanon.
Speaker: I'm pretty sure this happened somewhere in between here with these characters.
Speaker: I don't see a problem with that.
Speaker: I play pretty frequently Final Fantasy XIV and there's times where I'm like, this is such a mundane slice of life moment and in my head, this is what happened.
Speaker: So I understand this.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: Perfect.
Speaker: You know exactly where I'm coming from.
Speaker: Yep, I do.
Speaker: I understand.
Speaker: But yeah, we did have a big industrial fan, though, and it was basically like animals in the jungle at the watering hole.
Speaker: Like, we were all pretty much gathered around it as much as possible.
Speaker: Wow.
Speaker: Yeah, but, like, that's a story to tell.
Speaker: Not to mention the fact that you can now safely say, like, look, our video was completely metal and here's why.
Speaker: Like, it was brutal, man.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Here's what we went through to get it done.
Speaker: And luckily for me, I had my younger sister with me.
Speaker: She's like the biggest supporter of the band.
Speaker: Seriously, my best friend in the world.
Speaker: And so she was very hell bent on taking care of me.
Speaker: Anytime it looked like I was getting like glossed over in the eyes.
Speaker: She was the one that was like, nope, we're taking a minute.
Speaker: Oh, that's awesome.
Speaker: I love that.
Speaker: Me too.
Speaker: She's pretty great.
Speaker: She's kind of like the good version of a stage mom.
Speaker: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker: And like the band loves her too.
Speaker: Everybody's always talking about her.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And she's, she's a great singer in her own right as well.
Speaker: Oh, that's super cool.
Speaker: I love that.
Speaker: And I know that you guys not, and just for anybody listening, guys, the link for the music video will be in the show notes.
Speaker: Don't worry.
Speaker: If you haven't seen it yet, you're going to get your chance.
Speaker: But you guys also are playing a live show like tomorrow, I believe.
Speaker: Yeah, tomorrow night.
Speaker: So if you're in the Portland area, come to, it's called the Six Music Venue.
Speaker: It is attached to a bar that's called the Six Below Midnight.
Speaker: They're the same entity, but they have two different names.
Speaker: But yeah, that's going to be tomorrow.
Speaker: I believe the doors open at 7.
Speaker: So yeah, if you're in the area, please come check us out.
Speaker: We're playing with three other really cool bands.
Speaker: Sweet.
Speaker: And I will also utilize the Googles and find links to that venue too for anybody that wants to check it out.
Speaker: Absolutely.
Speaker: They have an event page for us there too.
Speaker: Sweet.
Speaker: That's awesome.
Speaker: I love that.
Speaker: That like I was, you know, like here we have a local metal scene too, but it's not very heavy on like the symphonic or the power metal here.
Speaker: You got a lot of speed, a lot of thrash.
Speaker: You got some death metal thrown in there too.
Speaker: Yeah, but you don't, you don't see a lot of symphonic or power metal out of Denver.
Speaker: And honestly, the bands that we kind of align ourselves with, they're as close as we can get, but we don't have any other true like symphonic metal bands around the area either.
Speaker: Like the last show we played, there was this band that was really great, but they kind of sounded more like...
Speaker: Oh my gosh, I just totally forget their name.
Speaker: It makes it a really great story.
Speaker: But you know, like Bulls on Parade, Rage Against the Machine is what they sounded like.
Speaker: So it's like, not exactly the same.
Speaker: No, that's not really symphonic metal, yeah.
Speaker: No, so, but I mean, we do have a very like, welcoming and warm community of anybody that's in the rock or like, the heavy rock and
Speaker: kind of on the verge of metal out here but there's not a lot of uh real true true metal yeah i was uh i think like when you guys popped in the discord that we share i remember me and power metal ranger we were like let's think of some american bands that are similar i got nothing i know right
Speaker: It's so hard to think of like, when you're and you and I were talking about this right before the show, when you're dealing with like, power and symphonic metal, American bands is like, there's dozens of us dozens.
Speaker: So true.
Speaker: It was not, yeah.
Speaker: And well, I mean, you were telling me that you have to usually have to take one heck of a drive just to get to shows sometimes.
Speaker: Oh my gosh, yeah.
Speaker: So my husband and I actually took our motorcycle all the way from Portland to San Jose.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: made a whole trip out of it just to see Camelot because that's the thing.
Speaker: I have never missed a leg of a Camelot tour since I became a fan of theirs, which was around, I was a late, a late adapter, but it was around, uh, poetry of the poison.
Speaker: That was the album that they were touring for at the time.
Speaker: And ever since then, I have not missed a single, single leg of the tour.
Speaker: I'm the same with Camelot.
Speaker: I was a pretty late adapter.
Speaker: Like I didn't discover Camelot until after Roy Kahn had already left the band.
Speaker: Oh, sad.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I do like Tommy, but the Black Halo was a near perfect album.
Speaker: Oh yeah.
Speaker: I had to like, once I discovered them and found out they had another lead singer, I actually had to like go back and listen to the stuff with Roy Kahn on it.
Speaker: And I was like, Ooh, this is really good too.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: They're similar in certain ways, like in voice quality, but definitely their performance style, even vocally, is very different.
Speaker: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker: And that's something that I do want to touch on because I heard what you said earlier about writing the harmonies and stuff.
Speaker: So how how much training have you had?
Speaker: Because it sounds like you've obviously had some.
Speaker: Um, a lot with singing, nothing with composition.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: That's okay.
Speaker: That's awesome.
Speaker: I was first kind of thrust into performing when I was about six years old.
Speaker: Oh, wow.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So it's been kind of a lifelong thing.
Speaker: My Nana, unfortunately, passed away a couple years ago, but...
Speaker: She was basically who raised me and her whole life.
Speaker: She wanted to be a singer.
Speaker: Never happened for her because she didn't, didn't have a fantastic voice.
Speaker: We will put it that way.
Speaker: I mean, I loved it when she sang me lullabies, but people were not going to be like buying her albums.
Speaker: And so I think it was beauty in the beast.
Speaker: She heard me singing to that, which is like my all time favorite Disney movie.
Speaker: Yay.
Speaker: Oh my gosh, Belle.
Speaker: She's like the queen of nerds.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: Yes, she is.
Speaker: But so singing along to her stuff, my Nana could hear even at five or six years old that I had a tonality that she thought could very much be molded.
Speaker: And just she started training me herself because I'm not sure if it's common, like around everywhere, but out here,
Speaker: You can't start taking vocal lessons until you're, I can't remember if it's 10 or 12, but it's one of the two.
Speaker: Nobody will see you before then.
Speaker: I don't remember how old I was, but I remember I had to wait a little bit too, because I was about five or so.
Speaker: And they told my mother and my parents to like, yeah, you got to wait.
Speaker: So I don't remember how old, but yeah, I know you do have to wait a bit.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And it's been so long now.
Speaker: I'm like, I can't remember.
Speaker: Yeah, I have no idea.
Speaker: Somewhere around there.
Speaker: Yeah, this was in the 1980s, y'all.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: And so like, so I had to wait a little bit.
Speaker: But until then, she trained me.
Speaker: I was in all the stupid pageants and like talent shows and stuff.
Speaker: Like I never did like the crazy swimsuit competition stuff when I was a kid and all that.
Speaker: She wasn't like that crazy.
Speaker: But anytime there was like a singing and dancing type situation, I was definitely in that with like the big hair and the fluffy dresses and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker: Way too much makeup for a child.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Looking like you were about ready to take glamour shots, basically.
Speaker: Yeah, and I absolutely did glamour shots as well.
Speaker: Oh, yeah.
Speaker: Because that was a big thing back then.
Speaker: So, yeah.
Speaker: And as far as like the choir side of things, I don't have a particularly high voice.
Speaker: I'm a mezzo at best.
Speaker: And a lot of the time I got put in the alto section, like in choir and school and stuff.
Speaker: Which actually gave me a really different perspective because as a soprano, you're like always getting the melodies.
Speaker: So that's not really challenging, you know, your, your sense of chords and stuff that much, but being kind of sandwiched in the middle, especially when I got older and was in jazz choirs and you're in the alto section, like the dissonant notes between you and the tenors are really intense and
Speaker: And so it gave me like an understanding of like chord structure and how things when they're composed, even though you have some of like those gross dissonant notes in the middle, having the things resolving around it can make it sound so unique and neat.
Speaker: And so I think those experiences, coupled with the fact that I was classically trained, just kind of like made up how my brain
Speaker: you know, composes as far as like choirs go.
Speaker: That's super cool.
Speaker: I love the fact that so many people I talk to who are singers for metal, like a lot of them are indeed classically trained, which I think is amazing.
Speaker: It almost kind of feels like you have to be.
Speaker: Jessica's like when you think of like, I mean, because we were talking about him earlier thinking of somebody like Fabio Leone.
Speaker: The notes that he holds out and the amount of control that he has in his vibrato and like the dynamic changes that he can do where he can start off with just like a really soft note and hold it so long till it gets so powerful and then back it off again.
Speaker: That kind of control doesn't happen unless you are classically trained.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yep, that's true.
Speaker: That's very true.
Speaker: And even when you're thinking of, you know, the females, because there are some seriously, like, in my personal opinion, anytime I hear a female fronted band, every one of them, including yourself, like there's some power behind your all's voices.
Speaker: And you can't get that without training.
Speaker: Unless you're Sharon from Within Temptation, never had a day of training in her life.
Speaker: There are exceptions.
Speaker: There are exceptions.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: And she's just so fantastic.
Speaker: It's like, how?
Speaker: Yeah, there are definitely exceptions to that rule.
Speaker: But for the most part, it's like, it's like, there's no way you haven't had training to get like, you know, that level of control and, and hit those freaking notes too.
Speaker: Yeah, it's totally true.
Speaker: Mm hmm.
Speaker: I it's one of those things where like, I listened to a lot of those female front.
Speaker: I mean, obviously it makes sense, but I listened to a lot of the female fronted bands as well.
Speaker: And there are definitely takeaways that, you know, I adapt from, from pretty much all of them.
Speaker: Like I love Charlotte, the original lead singer from Delane.
Speaker: And I was, I backed her Patreon for a long time during the pandemic.
Speaker: And like, I just,
Speaker: There are lots of things about her voice, like emulation, I think kind of sounds like maybe not the right term, but stylistic things that I would never have thought to do until I heard her.
Speaker: And one cool thing that she does for her patrons is she makes her stems available so you can kind of isolate things and mix them if you want to.
Speaker: But for me, I just used it as like training.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I think that's super cool, though, that you're like, oh, wait, I'm going to use this as a tool.
Speaker: Well, I mean, you know, it's one of those things where it's like a habit.
Speaker: Right, right.
Speaker: Yeah, as well.
Speaker: That makes plenty of sense.
Speaker: But I still like, you know, I was I was saying not long ago, it's not that, you know, sure.
Speaker: Yeah, you can name female metal singers.
Speaker: But when you look in the scheme of things and you make a comparison, there's not a lot.
Speaker: No, not really.
Speaker: Well, and unfortunately, that's not just metal.
Speaker: That's across the board.
Speaker: Yeah, it is.
Speaker: Somebody had told me this before.
Speaker: I wish I could remember who was telling me this, but they're like, statistically, there are more women that have the ability to sing than men.
Speaker: It's more common, scientifically speaking, for women to be good at singing than it is for men.
Speaker: But if you look at the music industry,
Speaker: there's an overwhelming amount of men that become famous over women or successful over women.
Speaker: Not that I'm doing any research on this, but I could believe that.
Speaker: I truly, I could.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Well, I mean, cause I can't even, I was a choral instructor that I had at some point and he's like, well, you know, a female singer, they're a dime a dozen.
Speaker: It's those men that are the diamonds in the rough.
Speaker: Oh, huh.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Thanks, I guess.
Speaker: He sure did want to make a girl feel special.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Thanks for the compliment on my voice there, buddy.
Speaker: You jerk.
Speaker: not okay.
Speaker: I could believe that.
Speaker: Like I said, I haven't done any research on it, but I could certainly believe that for sure.
Speaker: But when you're dealing with metal, it feels like
Speaker: I mean, yeah, sure.
Speaker: There was like one female I can think of kind of early on with the sort of like, you know, power and symphonic metal sounds that we know today.
Speaker: But other than that, when you're looking at most of the pioneers of that sound, they're like they're male fronted bands.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Well, and even with our style, I've said it to other people, too.
Speaker: I feel like we are more similar to like Camelot than we are Camelot.
Speaker: to like symphonic metal bands you know traditionally because when you think of nightwish are you thinking of epica those are definitely the more traditional like um you know female fronted symphonic metal and i don't feel like we really necessarily fit in with them but maybe more like delane delane would be a good um yeah style similarity i think but they're not even though they technically are considered symphonic metal they're not really either
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: I consider them kind of genre crossers, just like a couple of others.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I wouldn't, I wouldn't full on throw Delay and Antisymphonic.
Speaker: No, I would personally, that's just my opinion, but yeah, I would kind of be like, no, that's a little more on the like genre crossing sort of experimental side of things.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I would say so too.
Speaker: But like, as far as the composition wise goes, Matt incorporates a lot of orchestra and
Speaker: in our music, which makes us a little bit more symphonic, but we don't have any opera.
Speaker: So it's like, we're not really traditional in our sound.
Speaker: So yeah, it's, it's difficult.
Speaker: So you're just doing what you want for your own sound.
Speaker: I mean, don't get me wrong.
Speaker: I can sing in opera.
Speaker: I'm classically trained, but it's just not what we collectively want to
Speaker: Sure.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I mean, that's like, it's not, not that I'm saying anything against any band that does that because obviously I like a couple of bands that do that, but sometimes it's like when you're dealing with, especially symphonic metal going like straight in that genre and female fronted, you expect to hear that.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Like you expect to basically hear Nightwish all over again.
Speaker: It's like, but it doesn't have to be that way.
Speaker: No, and in the future, we might dabble with it a bit.
Speaker: I know that Within Temptation has changed a lot over the years, but even with them adopting more of a poppy sound, every now and then they'll still put a bridge in or Sharon will end the song in a big operatic finish.
Speaker: And so we're not opposed to doing something like that.
Speaker: But coming from us, you're never going to hear a ghost love score where it's majority.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And yeah.
Speaker: But again, like, I love that because you guys are sticking to like, this is our sound and this is what we want.
Speaker: Definitely.
Speaker: It's kind of empowering.
Speaker: That's amazing.
Speaker: That's something that I mentioned on another episode, as I said, I feel like, and maybe you can feel free to completely disagree with me.
Speaker: We can debate it if you want.
Speaker: It's cool.
Speaker: Personally, though, I feel like those of us who are women that are really into metal, I'm like, I feel like metal kind of gives us the ability to be a little stronger, you know?
Speaker: Yes and no.
Speaker: I mean...
Speaker: There is something to be said about when you're up there, especially like as a performer, like singing with that like epic stuff behind you.
Speaker: You do have a tendency to feel more powerful.
Speaker: Or even when I hear the tracks come back, I'm like, oh, gosh, that sounds so cool.
Speaker: And it makes me feel strong and stuff.
Speaker: But there is a real toxic side to being a female.
Speaker: Well, anywhere, but in metal, because you are expected to look a certain way.
Speaker: And if you're like a little heavier, you know, there's definitely comments made about that.
Speaker: Or like, I have definitely had comments not with this.
Speaker: I was in a project before this and we were looking to get signed by a label and they wanted to put it in the contract that they needed to have more control over.
Speaker: over my wardrobe because I wasn't like exposing enough and women should be more sexual basically.
Speaker: Oh my God.
Speaker: So it's just there, women are still objectified a lot in the space.
Speaker: Like Simone Simmons is such a perfect example of this.
Speaker: She is gorgeous.
Speaker: And
Speaker: you know, she's basically Mary Poppins.
Speaker: She's practically perfect in every way.
Speaker: And her voice is on another level phenomenal.
Speaker: But when, when Epica releases new stuff and they're posting on their social media, you know, their new clips of videos and stuff,
Speaker: You'll see a couple of comments where people are like, oh, this sounds so cool.
Speaker: I can't wait for this album.
Speaker: But 90% of them is, oh gosh, she's so beautiful.
Speaker: Oh, I love her so much.
Speaker: I wish she was mine.
Speaker: It's just, it's the nature of it.
Speaker: So even though she is cool and being badass and probably, you know, I'm sure she does feel powerful, but at the same time, I know that she's still seeing those comments and feeling objectified as well.
Speaker: There's no way that she couldn't.
Speaker: It's so interesting for me to hear your perspective on this because obviously I don't perform.
Speaker: I'm not in a metal band at all.
Speaker: So hearing your side of this is absolutely not just fascinating, but eye-opening at the same time.
Speaker: Yeah, it's a weird world.
Speaker: And I think it's the music industry in general.
Speaker: Everybody feels like once you're a performer, you're not a person anymore.
Speaker: You definitely exist for them to a degree.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And see, like when it comes to music in general, like on the industry, while I do have training for singing, I have always kind of ended up sort of behind the camera on things, you know, on the business side of things.
Speaker: And so I have seen the experiences some female performers have had, but they're not experiences that I've ever had personally.
Speaker: So.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: That's interesting.
Speaker: And as far as making those comments, boys, y'all way too freaking thirsty.
Speaker: Stop it.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I'm like, I get it.
Speaker: I'm attracted to her too.
Speaker: But I don't go on there and say that.
Speaker: And I've seen plenty of female singers where I'm like, this woman is absolutely gorgeous, but I'm not going to go on Instagram for their new album and be like, wow, she's amazing.
Speaker: You know, like that kind of thing.
Speaker: Exactly.
Speaker: Or like Cobra and the Lotus is another good example because she, Cobra really came in the limelight because she toured with Camelot and now she's married to Tommy.
Speaker: And like, there was a video that they had done where it was a little scandalous.
Speaker: I have nothing against that, but.
Speaker: People felt because it was scandalous, like it was okay for them to make just absolutely disgusting comments.
Speaker: But one of the most common themes was, oh gosh, Tommy's so lucky, or I wish I could be getting Tommy's, you know, bird's eye view and stuff like that.
Speaker: I'm like, come on.
Speaker: Really?
Speaker: Wow.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Wow, wow, wow.
Speaker: Like, y'all stop.
Speaker: I think I did see something similar to that.
Speaker: I don't know if you saw the video and if you have a small human about, please don't go look at this video, but Beast in Black's hardcore music video was very sexual in nature.
Speaker: And I actually really enjoyed the video.
Speaker: I kind of understood what they were doing.
Speaker: And I was like, okay, there's some parts here is somebody who
Speaker: did what I did for a living where I'm like, Oh, don't do that.
Speaker: But otherwise, but Oh my God, some of the things that I saw commenting on the woman in the video, I was like, y'all damn, like just down boy.
Speaker: I know.
Speaker: And so like, it's, it is one of those weird things where when a woman is feeling herself and like, you know, proud of how she looks and feeling confident or sexy somehow that,
Speaker: The viewership feels that that's their open door to just say whatever weird thing comes into their head.
Speaker: And I'm like, no, just because she was like exposing, you know, a little bit more than you might normally see, it doesn't give you.
Speaker: consent to say whatever first pops into your mind or whatever weird fantasies you are having about this yeah exactly and I don't know the name of the woman that was in the video but she was definitely feeling herself and she was quite exposed and it was obvious that she was very proud of her body and had every reason to be because she's absolutely gorgeous but some of the people were just like whoa a mostly naked woman and it's like dudes come on now
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And it's just, it's unfortunate.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: That's, that's really, like I said, I, I love and hate that you have that side on that perspective on it.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I love it because that's your perspective and that's your experience.
Speaker: And I hate at the same time that some of those are your experiences too, for obvious reasons.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: I will say, though, as I'm getting older, I get that less and less.
Speaker: So that's nice.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: You know, I'm like, I'm a little on the lucky side because like I don't really do much on camera.
Speaker: You know, sometimes people see me on Instagram and I've gotten some comments on Instagram that I just remove because I'm like, yeah, fuck you.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Because I'm too damn old to care about going to town with an internet idiot.
Speaker: You know, we're not doing this right now.
Speaker: But you know, being 41 years old, like sometimes people are like, Oh my god, you look like blonde.
Speaker: I'm like, Oh, just shut up.
Speaker: It's just I don't know why people feel the need to comment about how other people look.
Speaker: It's just why?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I don't understand that either.
Speaker: I mean, look, if you're talking about commenting because you think somebody looks great, then yeah, do it.
Speaker: But have a little tact when we do it.
Speaker: That would be a good thing.
Speaker: I know.
Speaker: And I'm sorry if anybody's triggered by this conversation, but it's one of those things where if you are, maybe it's time to look inward and ask yourself why.
Speaker: Yeah, I mean, that's true.
Speaker: Yeah, if this conversation bothers you, if you're like, oh, this is just a bunch of women bitching, well, then maybe it's time to just chill and be like, huh, why are we bitching?
Speaker: You know?
Speaker: It's so true.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: That's accurate.
Speaker: I think that's a great statement to make on that.
Speaker: And like, yeah, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker: I don't like...
Speaker: I don't even like giving bad reviews on music.
Speaker: Like I don't like doing that.
Speaker: I know because you know somebody works so hard on it.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: That's it.
Speaker: And I know they care about what they do.
Speaker: And there's that other side of me where I hear the talent.
Speaker: I know what they're doing.
Speaker: I know I'm like these are talented musicians.
Speaker: These are great talented singers.
Speaker: And I didn't like it.
Speaker: And now I feel terrible.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: So on the Camelot note, I definitely felt that way when they released the one more flag in the ground single.
Speaker: I was listening to it.
Speaker: I'm like, Oh no.
Speaker: I'm like, is this what the whole album is going to sound like?
Speaker: So like, no, it didn't.
Speaker: It didn't.
Speaker: It didn't.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So like, I definitely, I didn't want to like put it down, but I definitely was disappointed.
Speaker: Cause like,
Speaker: That's the thing.
Speaker: And that's something that we really strive for as a band.
Speaker: And I know that it's not everybody's same opinion.
Speaker: So it's definitely unique to me.
Speaker: But one thing I liked about Roy Kahn in Camelot is that you can listen to any song of his or of theirs during that era.
Speaker: And you can pinpoint exactly which album it came from because there is a unique theme and sound to each of them.
Speaker: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: And I feel like over the last two or three albums with Camelot and Tommy, any of those songs could be on any of the albums because they're all kind of the same theme and they all kind of sound the same.
Speaker: And I know some people like that.
Speaker: They don't like the variances so much, but I don't know.
Speaker: I definitely like to see bands like shaking it up and doing something like different.
Speaker: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker: Or like on Camelot going with that, they all sound the same.
Speaker: But then you've got those one or two songs on the album where you're like, where did this come from?
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Where it doesn't, yeah, it doesn't quite fit with anything else.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: Yeah, I get that too.
Speaker: That was, I reviewed their latest album when it first came out.
Speaker: And I actually liked One More Flag in the Ground, even though like I know what it was written for at that time.
Speaker: I was going through a pretty messy divorce.
Speaker: And so, yeah, I was like, man, these lyrics are really speaking to me right now.
Speaker: So I'm here for it.
Speaker: But there was a couple songs on the album that I was like, what?
Speaker: Where did this come from?
Speaker: Like, what is going on right now, y'all?
Speaker: See, and I'm wondering, like, which ones were kind of that way for you?
Speaker: Where you're like, where did this come from?
Speaker: So the track with Melissa Bonney on it was the one where I was kind of like, this doesn't fit.
Speaker: And I forgot the title of that track and now I'm going to like genuinely pull it up right now and look it up.
Speaker: Is it New Babylon?
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: See, that one I loved right away.
Speaker: It felt a little more like Epica style to me in the beginning, but I also really like Ad Infinitum.
Speaker: So like it kind of, I do too.
Speaker: It kind of had their essence as well.
Speaker: So I thought that was really cool.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: My favorite song on the album is, uh,
Speaker: what is it?
Speaker: Midsummer's dream.
Speaker: Midsummer's Eve.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Midsummer.
Speaker: And I'm only saying that cause I'm literally looking at the album right now.
Speaker: Well, and I'm like a dork and like, I'll remember if I'm singing it even to myself, I'm sitting here, I'm like, you know, singing it to myself.
Speaker: I'm like, what is it?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I can sing it to you.
Speaker: I can't tell you the title, but that's probably my favorite song on the album actually.
Speaker: Uh, and I love, um,
Speaker: Opus of the Night.
Speaker: That one's another phenomenal track.
Speaker: Yeah, I was going to say Opus of the Night was an amazing track off of that.
Speaker: And I mean, overall, like I did not give this album a bad review because it wasn't bad.
Speaker: It's very good.
Speaker: But there were a couple songs where I was kind of like, what are we up to?
Speaker: And then last episode, Temperance came out with a new single.
Speaker: And I even like, I'm still cringing saying it because I didn't like the single.
Speaker: And I feel so bad because I love Temperance.
Speaker: They're so good.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Well, Matt and I just had like a pretty in-depth conversation about how we feel about, it's not really an album.
Speaker: It's kind of like their teaser mini album from Within Temptation, the Bleed Out.
Speaker: He does not like it at all.
Speaker: And I'm like, oh my gosh.
Speaker: I'm like, what are you talking about?
Speaker: I literally cried over one of the songs.
Speaker: And what we were realizing is he's listening to the instrumental side.
Speaker: And for me, like the sound of it, okay.
Speaker: But I was so captivated by the lyrics and Sharon specifically.
Speaker: We were basically listening to two different albums and
Speaker: Oh, see, that's, yeah, that's it.
Speaker: It's like, you're listening.
Speaker: It's so interesting.
Speaker: And, you know, I think, like, it's funny because I've been reviewing music for a really long time.
Speaker: And sometimes people look to you to be like, well, what's your opinion on it?
Speaker: And they actually take it as like, oh, well, that's just what the album sounds like.
Speaker: It's like, you do realize that this is just what I think, right?
Speaker: Like, I'm not, you should still go listen to it because you may not agree with me.
Speaker: Well, and that's the thing.
Speaker: is that everybody's listening to it with different ears and while while sometimes it might make you sad when you don't particularly care for or resonate with a band that you really love and you feel bad because you're like I wanted to love this yes I do it's one of those things where you know like like you were saying somebody else could come in listening to it with a different perspective and feel completely differently about it
Speaker: Yeah, and that's true.
Speaker: I mean, Serenity just recently released a new single with Roycon on it, actually.
Speaker: And I love it, but a couple of people I know were like, nope, didn't like it.
Speaker: I'm like, how dare you?
Speaker: You know, like that kind of thing.
Speaker: I'm like, he can do no wrong.
Speaker: Yeah, no, no.
Speaker: And neither can Serenity in my eyes either.
Speaker: So it's like, no, you like it.
Speaker: You just say that right now.
Speaker: I did see a post on the Roycon fan page on Facebook yesterday saying that
Speaker: Yeah, I had a hand in raising too, and I can see that boys at that age can be a lot louder than girls at that age.
Speaker: Oh, for real.
Speaker: But then it switches.
Speaker: Then it switches.
Speaker: So it's okay, because he's going to get quieter soon, I promise.
Speaker: One thing I hope he doesn't lose is like, I had mentioned this in our private conversation on Discord, but he actually loves metal.
Speaker: And he's
Speaker: actually like a really good growler.
Speaker: I'm super jealous because it's not something I can do.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: I'm like, please don't lose this.
Speaker: Oh my God.
Speaker: I love that.
Speaker: I hope this continues to be your life.
Speaker: Like maybe be quieter in every other aspect, but please continue to do this.
Speaker: That is so cool.
Speaker: You got to like take a video of him trying to growl or something.
Speaker: That would be like, everybody would love that.
Speaker: Oh my gosh.
Speaker: It's so true.
Speaker: It was so funny.
Speaker: I was doing laundry one day and he likes to help me.
Speaker: And then suddenly he stops and he likes to drum on it on the washing machine, but suddenly he stops.
Speaker: He looks at me.
Speaker: He starts hitting it really fast and just does like the, I can't even pretend to do a growl, but, you know, just pretend.
Speaker: That's what he did.
Speaker: I'm like, oh my gosh, are you kidding me right now?
Speaker: Awesome.
Speaker: I love that.
Speaker: I love that.
Speaker: Like you said, you said earlier, you got to start him young, you know?
Speaker: So true.
Speaker: When he was about three or four months old, I would have music on all the time.
Speaker: And Ghost Love Score came on while he was in the middle of a tantrum.
Speaker: and just screaming.
Speaker: I guess at three or four months old, you can't really call it a tantrum, but he was having a bit of a meltdown.
Speaker: He stopped and he listened to almost the entire song and then fell asleep.
Speaker: Oh, wow.
Speaker: I was like, are you kidding?
Speaker: And so then we started playing that song all the time.
Speaker: I know that song inside and out at this point.
Speaker: And I'm pretty sure that Nightwish probably got like a huge spike in there.
Speaker: Spotify plays that track.
Speaker: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker: Because it was constant.
Speaker: Anytime we were having a problem with him at all, we would put that song on and he would just be lulled to sleep.
Speaker: I love that, though.
Speaker: Yeah, but you know what?
Speaker: Her voice could lull you to sleep.
Speaker: Oh my gosh, it's true.
Speaker: She's got that beautiful, soothing quality.
Speaker: So I could see that putting a baby to sleep, for sure.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: And then, like, I can never actually pronounce their name correctly, but I had told you also, I think it's Eluvite.
Speaker: Oh, yeah.
Speaker: I've got nothing on pronunciation with that one.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: I'm like, I have no idea.
Speaker: But there's that song.
Speaker: I think it's pronounced Enus Mona.
Speaker: He loves that song.
Speaker: That's another one that will like just calm him.
Speaker: That's so cool.
Speaker: And she's got a great voice too.
Speaker: Now she can belt it.
Speaker: But at the same time, she can get nice and soothing as well.
Speaker: So I could see that.
Speaker: It's true.
Speaker: I love that though.
Speaker: Whatever.
Speaker: Lullabies?
Speaker: No, we're doing metal.
Speaker: I know.
Speaker: It's so true.
Speaker: That's the same.
Speaker: I was telling you, I'm not going to go too into it because he didn't give me permission, but my roommate has a three-year-old and he's a guitarist and she's got like, you know, her little drum set.
Speaker: And she was saying earlier today that she just had to dance.
Speaker: So I just like threw on a playlist.
Speaker: So here she is like dancing around like, you know, Rhapsody of Fire and Bloodbound.
Speaker: And I'm like, this is amazing.
Speaker: You're like, yes.
Speaker: She likes metal though.
Speaker: Like she, she knows what metal is and she does.
Speaker: She enjoys it.
Speaker: I think that most people probably would if there wasn't such a stigma around it.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I think my mother does not.
Speaker: I haven't found one yet that she likes.
Speaker: She's trying.
Speaker: Oh, yeah.
Speaker: I keep like sending her a little bit here and there because she'll always be like, all right, well, let me hear this then.
Speaker: And she's like, no, didn't like that either.
Speaker: I'm like, come on, mom.
Speaker: So we're working on it.
Speaker: My mom.
Speaker: was really, really young when she had me, like 16 years old.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Oh, wow.
Speaker: Yeah, that is young.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And so I did spend a lot of my upbringing with my Nana.
Speaker: Uh huh.
Speaker: But when I would hang out with my mom, she loved like ACDC.
Speaker: She loved Slayer.
Speaker: She adored Metallica.
Speaker: And so like, I definitely had that, you know, exposure as a child.
Speaker: But then like growing up with my Nana, I get my love of the Beatles from her.
Speaker: And she loved like Merle Haggard and Glenn Campbell.
Speaker: So I listened to a lot of that with her, but then listened to this other stuff with my mom.
Speaker: So I definitely got a lot of like exposure.
Speaker: And I think when you're that young and you're that malleable and you're not introduced to the stigma of anything yet, you're kind of
Speaker: free to decide what you like just based on how the sound makes you feel.
Speaker: And so, yeah.
Speaker: And so I think, I don't know, I think that children are a great, a great testament to that because you play a metal song for a child and most of them are going to like it.
Speaker: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker: That's very true.
Speaker: And my influence, I always, I'll say I liked metal before I knew I liked metal because I had the same kind of experience where it was my dad who listened to like kind of some of the pioneers of the metal sound today.
Speaker: And I didn't even realize that that's what they were until later on in life.
Speaker: And so, you know, it was like, I loved like Judas Priest and Iron Maiden and stuff like that.
Speaker: And had no idea how much I liked metal before I actually liked metal, you know, and like, I remember Dio and listening to that too.
Speaker: Absolutely.
Speaker: I can't believe I forgot about them until just now.
Speaker: Well, I was like, I was, you know, I was born in the early eighties.
Speaker: So some of this was like, yeah, some of this was actually like, these people were around then.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: And I was mid 80s.
Speaker: So like music didn't really start getting on my radar until like the end of the 80s, like early 90s.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: That's usually kind of like that's about the right age.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So for me, it was more like towards the mid 80s is when I was like, oh, wait, music is a thing.
Speaker: So I remember that.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Because I would sing this stuff.
Speaker: But, you know, you're not really thinking about like, oh, yeah, this is my favorite.
Speaker: No, you don't.
Speaker: You don't think about that at that age.
Speaker: You just know you like it.
Speaker: And that's about it.
Speaker: And yeah.
Speaker: I'll hear my weirdo son who's four years old and ask for specific songs for Google minis to play.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But I mean, well, so his mother's a singer, which makes sense to me.
Speaker: I don't know if his dad's a musician or not, but if he is like, okay, I was going to say, you know, like the kid, the kid could be set then because my dad did play some music and both of my grandparents were trained singers.
Speaker: And so like, I kind of inherited the music thing from them, I think.
Speaker: That makes sense.
Speaker: Yeah, but my brother didn't.
Speaker: He didn't, like, never found a love for music, never found a need to play an instrument or anything like that.
Speaker: It's interesting how that happens because I actually have five younger sisters.
Speaker: Wow.
Speaker: I know.
Speaker: Well, like I said, my mom got started like really early.
Speaker: Yeah, but I mean, six.
Speaker: Wow.
Speaker: Your mom is an absolute superwoman.
Speaker: Holy cow.
Speaker: And there is a set of twins in there.
Speaker: Still, that's even harder.
Speaker: That's two at once.
Speaker: Well, and then my youngest sister, Sabrina, she was like the surprise bundle where my parents thought that they were super done.
Speaker: And they were like, oh, guess what?
Speaker: I was 12 when she was born.
Speaker: So, yeah.
Speaker: They definitely, that was not a plan, but, like, she is amazing.
Speaker: And I'm so glad that she exists.
Speaker: But, I mean, same for all my sisters.
Speaker: But, you know, she was the one that we weren't expecting.
Speaker: But only one of them has really pursued music in any facet.
Speaker: Like the rest of them, like one of them likes it a lot.
Speaker: And then she listens all the time and, you know, we can have,
Speaker: conversation and when before she became a mom she was going to all the festivals and everything ah yeah the rest of them were just like yeah that's kind of my brother is he listens to music he knows what he likes and um he listens to quite a bit of metal but definitely not the genres of metal i like so that's that's amusing but as far as like you know talking in depth about music or whatever he and i have never been able to do that either so
Speaker: I have the one sister that I can talk to in depth about music, but our tastes are very different.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Like as we're my favorite bands, you know, we've had,
Speaker: conversations about that already but like her favorite band is panic at the disco oh wow yeah yeah that is different right and she listens to like a lot of ruel and so it's it's just one of those things where i'm like i can see the value in those things um i don't hate them but they're not things i'm going to seek out or analyze i'm
Speaker: to that degree yeah yeah no i'm not i'm not either i mean like i remember hearing panic at the disco kind of like the earlier 2000s when they first came out and i was like well this guy's got a good voice but other than that that's kind of all i thought yeah i there's one track of theirs called nine in the afternoon that i love a lot but it's because it reminds me of the beatles
Speaker: Okay, that makes sense, yeah.
Speaker: I have not attached to anything else.
Speaker: Yeah, I'm not really, like, I have joked with people, they're like, well, what kind of music do you like?
Speaker: Because I like this, and I'm like, has it been considered mainstream since 1995?
Speaker: In that case, I haven't heard it.
Speaker: Which is usually true, and, you know, it's like, it is, it's usually the truth.
Speaker: I, through social media, particularly, like,
Speaker: reels.
Speaker: I've been exposed to a little bit more mainstream music these days.
Speaker: Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker: But that's about where I get my mainstream music.
Speaker: Yeah, that's the same for me.
Speaker: It's like, I'll listen to a song and once in a while I'll be like, that's kind of fun.
Speaker: Wonder what that is.
Speaker: And then I'll check it out and be like, oh, okay, have no idea who this person is.
Speaker: And they're like, packing arenas, apparently.
Speaker: And I'm like, oh, wow, interesting.
Speaker: Right?
Speaker: And so like, there's this whole other...
Speaker: realm of things with like the K-pop groups that have really picked up traction over here.
Speaker: And I'm going to go see a concert with my sister because that's another thing that she's super into.
Speaker: I have no idea who these people are.
Speaker: She just doesn't want to go by herself.
Speaker: I'm like, okay.
Speaker: And so she's like, I'm just going to buy your ticket because I know that, you know, you're not really into it and stuff.
Speaker: I'm like, okay, I thought we were going to go to like a small venue and
Speaker: Or something.
Speaker: And she's like, no.
Speaker: She's like, I got floor seats at the Moda Center, which is like our huge venue that like Taylor Swift would come to.
Speaker: Oh, wow.
Speaker: I'm all, what?
Speaker: Yeah, it's like, who are these people?
Speaker: I know.
Speaker: What do you mean they're at the Moda Center?
Speaker: And it's almost sold out.
Speaker: That's my mother.
Speaker: Funny enough, my mother really likes the K-pop groups.
Speaker: And this woman is turning 70 next year.
Speaker: But she really likes them.
Speaker: She'll always tell me, like, oh, yeah, so-and-so and blonde.
Speaker: I'm like, mom, who are you talking about?
Speaker: She's like, oh, they're so cute.
Speaker: And they do this.
Speaker: And I'm like, oh, my goodness.
Speaker: It's funny.
Speaker: That's amazing.
Speaker: I mean, I am a former...
Speaker: like anime person and the only reason I don't really watch anime now is just time constraints.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But back in the day I liked a lot of the J-pop stuff so I mean I get the appeal they are cute.
Speaker: Oh yeah they are they are and you know that's like that's kind of my mom's thing is she thinks they're super cute and she's like and they do such great dances and whatever and she's like the music's so catchy and I'm like oh my god mom you like K-pop that's amazing.
Speaker: Do you think baby metal might be the
Speaker: you know, like the introductory drug for her into metal?
Speaker: Oh, you know, I don't think I've ever tried to let her listen to baby metal.
Speaker: I might be right up her alley.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Like recently I tried with Camelot and Battle Beast cause that's who I'm going to see on tomorrow, which yeah, this is being prerecorded obviously.
Speaker: And my mom was like, no, I didn't like it.
Speaker: And like, I've tried with Beast in Black and Rhapsody and a few other.
Speaker: And my mom's always like, no, don't like it.
Speaker: I'm like, mom.
Speaker: Yeah, I should try Babymetal.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: I adore Battle Beast as well.
Speaker: I'm really excited.
Speaker: I'm so excited to see Xandria.
Speaker: I have never seen them in person before.
Speaker: That's, yeah, that, and, and Battle Beast is like, not that I'm not excited to see Camelot because I am, but I'm really excited for Battle Beast.
Speaker: Well, when Camelot did their tour with Delaine, Battle Beast was with them then.
Speaker: And so that was my, I had not really heard them before.
Speaker: And so seeing them live was my first exposure to,
Speaker: to them and I'm like oh my gosh they're amazing yeah they're really good yeah and I like a lot of their songs too and um I was told that apparently their lead singer is kind of like just as good live as you hear on the album like she's got that level of control even live and I'm like oh I can't wait for this if that's the case
Speaker: I hope I don't set your expectations too high, but in my opinion, she's better because she's got a very powerful voice that I don't think comes through as much in the recordings.
Speaker: But when you're there and you can like feel...
Speaker: like her voice resonate on the walls and stuff.
Speaker: It's just, it's way different.
Speaker: And I like that experience better.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Now I'm really looking forward to this.
Speaker: She's so great.
Speaker: It's like, it's, it's going to be this poor woman has such a high bar now.
Speaker: Cause now like you and Pete both have hyped her up so high.
Speaker: I don't think you'll be disappointed unless she has like a horrible cold or something because like she is she's really fantastic and like the 80s style metal is not really my jam if I'm being honest so the fact that they made the kind of impression on me that they did is kind of amazing in itself oh that's so cool though yeah I really like them
Speaker: I'm now really looking forward to this tomorrow.
Speaker: And because I'm kind of a jerk, I was kind of disappointed that they, because like, I love Delaine and I love Camelot.
Speaker: And when I found out there was another band touring with them, I'm like, they're just taking away time from Delaine and Camelot.
Speaker: So I already was like feeling pretty negative about them.
Speaker: And they still made that kind of impression on me.
Speaker: So yeah.
Speaker: Oh, that's amazing.
Speaker: I love when that happens, though, when something like that happens, because that happened a while ago.
Speaker: Beast in Black played here with Nightwish.
Speaker: And so this was Beast in Black's first time in Denver.
Speaker: And I know a lot of people that were at that show were kind of like, well, who are these guys?
Speaker: And they didn't care.
Speaker: And so when they went on, like, I'm like, wow, there's nobody in here right now.
Speaker: They're all at the bar.
Speaker: And then all of a sudden, like you saw more people creeping in and more people creeping in.
Speaker: And by the time they were in like their fourth song or something, everybody's in there throwing up the horns.
Speaker: And I was like, it was obvious it made a huge impact on the crowd.
Speaker: And I was like, that's so great.
Speaker: It's cool when that happens.
Speaker: So I had been living under a rock place.
Speaker: I didn't know who Hammerfall was until about five years ago.
Speaker: Oh, wow.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: I know.
Speaker: Somehow just never, I don't know.
Speaker: I don't know how.
Speaker: It's, it's really sad.
Speaker: No, I can, I can see how that could happen.
Speaker: I absolutely could.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So they toured with Delane and I went and saw Delane up in Seattle at, I believe it was the El Corazon.
Speaker: And it was so funny because half the audience didn't actually know who Delane was.
Speaker: And the other half legitimately had no idea who Hammerfall was.
Speaker: And you could tell because like, depending on who was on the stage, like the people that like a Hammerfall had opened.
Speaker: And so like you had all these people that were against the stage and then
Speaker: When Delane was coming on, everybody kind of like left and moved to the back and stuff.
Speaker: But I was in the back for Hammerfall.
Speaker: And I ended up getting into a conversation with this guy that was there.
Speaker: And I was like, oh, my gosh.
Speaker: I said, I've never heard them before, but they're amazing.
Speaker: He's like, what do you mean you've never heard them before?
Speaker: So offended.
Speaker: He's like, I don't know who these these no namers are that they're touring with.
Speaker: I'm like, are you kidding me?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Bro, we're going to get into a fight.
Speaker: I know, but, you know, like you were saying, about halfway through each of the sets, like, everyone was into it.
Speaker: For both sets, so yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, I love it when that happens.
Speaker: And I know that, like, a lot of people here probably are not that familiar with Battle Beasts, so I think it's going to be interesting to see how people start, like, packing in on that one, too.
Speaker: Yeah, oh, and they will.
Speaker: they will yeah i know even even my roommates like yeah i'd never heard battle beast before i'm like that's because you don't listen to anything released after 2000 but that's okay yeah that would make it hard to have heard them yeah yeah even even with camelot like he's like yeah i haven't really listened to them since con left the band and i'm like oh bro come on now
Speaker: In some ways, I can understand that, though, just because of how much the sound changed.
Speaker: But, like, I feel like you should at least give it a chance.
Speaker: I've been forcing him to listen.
Speaker: Like, I've kind of played some of the newer singles and stuff.
Speaker: So he's familiar now.
Speaker: So, yeah.
Speaker: That's good.
Speaker: All right.
Speaker: Well, we're going to wrap up this show right now.
Speaker: And I know it seems like we can keep talking, but yeah, we're at our hour mark.
Speaker: Well, thank you so much for coming on.
Speaker: That was awesome.
Speaker: Yes, absolutely.
Speaker: Thank you for having me.
Speaker: I'm sorry I didn't talk about my band that much.
Speaker: That's okay.
Speaker: That's not, you know, like, like I said at the beginning, and like I tell anybody that comes on, I'm not you don't have to talk about your band.
Speaker: You can talk about whatever you want.
Speaker: That's just we'll go where we go.
Speaker: And that's all there is to it.
Speaker: So that's, that's awesome.
Speaker: This has been a very fun conversation.
Speaker: Yay, I'm glad.
Speaker: And for those of you listening, of course, like I said, the links to Terminal Dusk, their new music video, and the venue they're going to be playing at tomorrow will all be right there in the show notes down below.
Speaker: My name is Candice, otherwise known as the Metal Mama, and I'll see you guys next time.
