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006 - The Take Purge
105 Plays4 days ago
Tonight's Set List:
- For 12 Hours, All Takes Are Legal
- You Are Not Allowed to Get Mad At Us
- Ft. special guest Beata of Elite Sens Brain ( https://zencastr.com/Elite-Sens-Brain )
- Seriously, Don't Get Mad At Us
Outro: House Boy by Sick Fits ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naL_J1q6mq8 )
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Transcript
Welcome to the Senegoth Lounge
00:00:07
Speaker
Good evening and welcome to the Senegoth Lounge. I'm your bartender Luke. Our drink special tonight. Well, you know, we're a podcast, so the drink special is just white wine.
00:00:20
Speaker
The usual. We have our best customer here tonight. It's James. James, what can I get you? Yeah, I'll take a KFC bucket sized glass of your whitest wine. The whinier the better.
NHL Playoffs Chat
00:00:40
Speaker
Yeah.
00:00:41
Speaker
And why are we feeling whiny, Luke? Sends aren't in the playoffs anymore. that's the i think that's but all what it boils down to. And it haven't been for a minute if we're keeping it a full a four buck.
00:00:53
Speaker
But luckily, the offseason is upon us. The Habs are vanquished. And i don't i don't know what happened to the Leafs this year, but I'll have to look into that very strongly at some point. But maybe they're still in it. Maybe they're not. i don't know.
00:01:09
Speaker
Did you think it was more sad or embarrassing that a bunch of Habs fans like truly thought that they were good and had a chance against Carolina?
00:01:19
Speaker
Yeah, that was really funny. like that that sort of of i did Because you know I'm only following until the my enemies are are dis disposed of. yeah And the...
00:01:34
Speaker
see as Sens fans we don't get the benefit of the media ever being on our side in any situation but the hey guys look out like there's a new sheriff in town after game one where you know I'll give them they they scored more goals against Carolina in that game than Ottawa did in their entire series but I was like Yeah, guys, you might want to like cool your heels a little bit and wake up to the fact that these guys haven't played in like two fucking weeks for a reason. Like, yeah I don't think they forgot how to be like one of the best defensively structured teams I've ever seen. Well, they did for one game, and that's why the Habs scored like four or five goals in game one. Like, let's just say it straight.
00:02:29
Speaker
The Habs also got got swept like that was a sweep. Yeah, I know that technically it was a five game series, but I'm sorry. You lost four games in a row. That's a sweep. Yes. Like it's it.
00:02:40
Speaker
You won a single game on a technicality. Yeah. Exhibition games don't count in the playoffs. no No one watched that series and was like, oh, the Habs, the second best team in the Eastern Conference. No, everyone saw you get your shit absolutely ruined.
00:03:00
Speaker
Games going to overtime when they have like 12 shots in the game total. not a Not a serious series. Like I said in my previous playoff thoughts, like...
00:03:13
Speaker
i I'm pro-life and it brings me no joy to concede that Carolina is an excellent team and the the proof is in the pudding. Like two sweeps, sorry, three three sweeps.
00:03:28
Speaker
with one exhibition game in the mix, a conditioning stint against the Montreal Canadiens. It's like, they did this with motherfucking Friedrich Andersen in net. Like, salute.
00:03:42
Speaker
Like, it's not like they, you know, they had Cam Ward, like, deciding to be the best goalie in the world, you know, all of a sudden. Like, they're doing this with an absolute waste man. Like, Leafs run off in net.
00:03:58
Speaker
Yeah, um, hang a sec.
00:04:01
Speaker
Rest in piss to the, rest in piss to the Habs. Yeah, rest in piss. See you next year. ah i ain't never scared. You ain't never there. Let's move on. pooh Oh, let's do a a ah recap of what's going in the NHL right now. Poo is playing shit. Poo versus shit in the diarrhea cup. Whatever. Who cares? Carter Hart, go to jail. Fuck you.
00:04:26
Speaker
Die. ah Logan Stink Oven, please sign with the Sens. Trade for Logan Stink Oven. i just ah I haven't watched ah because I don't care, but like...
00:04:40
Speaker
I assume our little our our our little man is still doing his thang thang all over the place. as I have nightmares about that guy Yeah, I'm living in a nightmare. All right. I've had a lot of coffee this morning. Let's go. I appreciate. Look, go Canes just for being the least evil option.
00:04:59
Speaker
Like, if you win, that's cool. Like, I don't have to. do Like, I don't know any of your fans. I don't know where you live. I don't have to see you. I don't have to think about you.
00:05:10
Speaker
It's probably though it's the least evil option in terms of someone to win the cup. If we've got to give it to a team that's not the Senators, might as well give it to Carolina. oh yeah Yeah, it's got... Well, I'm not going to go that far, but like I won't say those words. But I do appreciate that if they win, it's going to have that...
00:05:33
Speaker
Hooray for the ice hockey team, the fifth most popular sport in the city the glorious city of Carolina. you know, like, yeah, like it goes, you know, like football, ah baseball, basketball, college football, college basketball, college volleyball, ah NASCAR, highlight, and then iced hockey. like It's amazing to think that there's going to be a yeah some UNC fan yeah is going to be like, winning the Stanley Cup is pretty tight. like yeah Now back to the tailgate. and i think they speak all Speaking of tailgating, i infamously, I think they used to make fun of this on Puck Daddy a lot, so this is well-researched from 20 years ago. but ah
00:06:30
Speaker
I think they're infamously, um, the Carolina city hurricanes had their Stanley cup parade in the arena parking lot and like 500 people showed up or something. That's so fucking cool. love, which is like, honestly, if they're going to, yeah, if they're going to win this, if a team's going to win the Stanley cup, I kind of want bad energy. Yeah, for sure.
00:06:54
Speaker
Like we can get into this later, but it's like, I think the most bull the, the, if you're not a true Norwegian black metal hockey, Canadian hockey fan, if, and I'm going to offend some people with this. And I love that for me is like, I just want a Canadian team to win. Like what?
Ottawa Senators Fan Loyalty
00:07:13
Speaker
Like you, you should, you should, if you really are loving hockey like that in Canada, is like you hate the Canadian teams the most. This is actually my least favorite thing about interacting with like a casual sports fans is when especially Americans say like, oh, a Canadian team hasn't won the Stanley Cup since like 1993. It's always an American team that wins as if that's some sort of own thing.
00:07:44
Speaker
You know, like, no one's been honed this hard since the Grinch who stole Christmas Oh, if you love Canada so much, why don't any of your teams ever win? as a Buddy, wait let me tell you this.
00:07:56
Speaker
I hate those teams more than like this some politicians. Not all politicians, but like most of them. While ah Nathan McKinnon raises the cup over his head while God bless the USA plays in the background. Yeah.
00:08:14
Speaker
Yeah, but that's whack as hell. Okay. okay Luke, what brings us here today? Speaking of garbage takes.
00:08:25
Speaker
So um I'm not sure if I've ever said this, but I'm just going to i'm going to say it again just so it's on the record. I have never had an original idea in my life, especially when it comes to podcasts.
00:08:37
Speaker
And so ah we're going steal ah a segment or a bit or an idea from another podcast. It doesn't matter which one. ah But we're going to steal some of other podcast bit. We're going to take it for ourselves.
00:08:51
Speaker
And the bit is this. um James, are you familiar with The Purge? ah Yeah, I did two tours. So the the Purge is a series of ah movies, the conceit of which is that for movies some some amount of time, i think the original old was 12 hours. For 12 hours, all crime is legal.
00:09:17
Speaker
and that is the And then the movies are about all the weird fucked up shit that happens during those 12 hours, I guess. i don't know. not a horror movie guy. But what we're going to do here today is we're going to do ah the purge, but for it takes.
00:09:33
Speaker
or For one hour or for one podcast episode, all takes are legal. You can express any take you want and people aren't allowed to get mad at you. they're not like they You can't have professional or personal repercussions for the takes that you express during the take purge.
00:09:52
Speaker
And if you expand if you express a take during the take purge, it might not even be a take you even believe in necessarily. It just has to be, it could just be an intrusive thought that you want to just get out into the world so you can stop having it.
00:10:06
Speaker
So that is going to be the conceit of today's episode is we're going to have the purge for takes. So what you're saying is the opinions expressed in the following podcast are those of our participants and do not necessarily reflect those of Senegoth Lounge, Radio Free Sends, LLC, Heartless Corporation. And no one, no one can take away our J.D. Power and Associates trophies. No one.
00:10:33
Speaker
if Whatever we say during this episode, you can't get mad at us because it's the take purge. It's okay. I think this is going to be kind of challenging for me because I've never had a bad opinion about anything. So this is yeah like, I might not be able this for me. i might not be able to even do this. Everyone's going to hear my stupid garbage takes and be like, these are sent straight from heaven.
00:10:58
Speaker
I mean, i we'll have that we'll have the siren going off in the background here, I guess, to signify the start of of the take purge. ah For 12 hours, all takes are legal.
00:11:09
Speaker
There goes the siren. um James, would you like to start us off with ah with your first take that was all right previously too hot to handle, but now you can finally express This is a feel-good one. Not all my takes are going to be feel-good. This one is like actually this was actually kind of a nice one.
00:11:32
Speaker
Okay. I think that Ottawa Senators fans are the best and most loyal fans in Canada. And I'll tell you why.
00:11:43
Speaker
no other place could pull off this franchise and it's not even fucking close. Let me explain. Okay, so Ottawa, I heard of this place, the capital city of Canada, is located between Tianto, Ontario, the largest city in Canada,
00:12:08
Speaker
And Montreal, thecuestt city but hornest the In a cool way. Yeah, the horniest but sleaziest city in Canada. Which is only two hours if you drive like ah like a little old man, like Hans Molman.
00:12:29
Speaker
the The Montreal White Men's Athletic Association hockey squadron started 1909.
00:12:38
Speaker
ah which is 83 years ago, and the Tianto, St. Barnabas, like whatever the fuck they were when they first started, is 1917. The 19-dickety-seven, the Kaiser took away the number one from dates.
00:12:58
Speaker
So if you if you kind of like take the most recent team, ah these guys have 75-year...
00:13:07
Speaker
a head start on Ottawa ah like establishing a fucking fan base Ottawa mind you on the border of Quebec so you know mostly an English-speaking city with tons of French people like to put that head start that they get into perspective it's it's still 24 more years before the debut of big chungus like we are going way back in time you know like i would say that's probably the biggest event that happened around that time like 24 years after 1917 i can't think of anything else weird that was happening mostly big chungus fast forward so basically like
00:13:55
Speaker
When you think about it, aside from everyone's like dad that like some kind of freak original 16, like the Boston Bears or the Detroit Wheels.
00:14:08
Speaker
um you basically You basically have to turn against your own blood and friends to become a fan of your own fucking city's team.
00:14:22
Speaker
Right? Like, my personal situation is, ah because I'm 57 years old, and um my entire family lives in Montreal. A little peek behind the curtain for me.
00:14:35
Speaker
You think there's any other Ottawa Senators fans in my family? You know? Actually, there is one... part of my family who pretends they live in Toronto they live in a place called Burlington one of the worst places I've ever been to my life and I've been to Gary Indiana but yeah you basically have to start a holy war if you're over the age of like 30 something ah to cheer for your own fucking team and how are you repaid for that
00:15:09
Speaker
the fucking Montreal Canadas win the Stanley Cup in the first year that they exist. Like, just to, like, if you're, ah if you're like, born into the Habs ah dynasty back when, uh...
00:15:25
Speaker
ah you went where you won a Stanley when they stockpiled Stanley c Cups where if ah the team with the least conscripts into the Great War or had like the most victims of rubella you know had to forfeit their season right away you're giving up like a Stanley Cup victory and that's if you're a true Norwegian black metal like from season one ah you know Sens fan you're It's just like a perfect welcome to the welcome to the shit. You're in the shit now. like yeah Year one, ah you know like hated rival that you might have turned away from wins the cup against Wade Gremski. Yeah, can can you imagine being a Habs fan, then Ottawa gets a team and you're like, I think now's the chance to be to get to the ground floor of a new but of a new franchise. And then as soon as you abandon Chip, yeah Habs is going to get another one. I just want to see it.
00:16:31
Speaker
I love seeing a Canadian team win. yeah yeah ah Oh, all the guys who look like butted out cigarettes in my neighborhood are so happy.
00:16:42
Speaker
I love that for them. it's a It's a perfect intro to like, welcome to being an Ottawa Senators fan. ah You know, ah like You see these teams now with the salary cap and like perfectly good players being quote-unquote dumped onto other teams. like Who did we give Vegas? like Mark Mathot, our first pairing defenseman? like ah Where you know they had to wait four grueling years ah to win the Stanley Cup.
00:17:15
Speaker
Where if you're Sens fan, you recall that first season, they won 10 games in regulation. 10. there were more games in the season back then. And talk about the quality of the players we had.
00:17:30
Speaker
One of the fucking players didn't wear a helmet. Like, oh, cool. You get ah Stanley Cup champion Marc-Andre Blurry in that. We had a five foot tall Polish guy.
00:17:45
Speaker
how do you like that? But I just say this. What other city in Canada could do this? Like through the bankruptcies, through Melnick, through the just general bad vibes of like...
00:17:58
Speaker
you know, people give Ottawa a hard time for not being the biggest city in the world. Well, the fan base is divided in three on top of that. Like we are fucking holding this thing up like Atlas.
00:18:10
Speaker
And you know, there's a sick part of me that thinks about like, yeah, like Quebec City, you want a team? Hamilton, you want a team? Like turn in your fucking Habs and Leafs badge and gun and you're never allowed to go back.
00:18:25
Speaker
Like you have to now hate them. You have to hate them now. They're going to be your least favorite teams. Every time you turn on the TV, Hamilton, they ain't going to be talking about Hamilton. They're going to be talking about the Tianto Leafs, no matter how good or usually bad they are.
00:18:41
Speaker
ah But I don't, yeah, I don't think Quebec has the cholesterol for that. I don't think Hamilton has the cholesterol for that. The Maritimes, please. and that before The Maritimes are sold to Boston.
00:18:54
Speaker
i I see, i yeah, that's true. I see people's mouths turning into the shape of a W saying, what about Winnipeg? They're all alone out there. We are right in the shit.
00:19:07
Speaker
like Montreal is like barely two hours away from here. That's like saying like, wow, would you know the Saskatoon and Wannanon Township support of teams like yeah, of course look at look at the fucking Saskatchewan Rough Riders games It looks like the damn Wisconsin Badgers like it's all they got like we got other stuff here like ah Anyway Not to go off on a shitty rant here, but that's a shitty rant for for me
00:19:41
Speaker
Think about this. Think about this. the b BC's third largest city it gets a team. Welcome the Burnaby Blades. Like, come on, man. We fucking, we're amazing.
00:19:54
Speaker
This is why having specific broadcast areas and blackout areas is so important because if there wasn't, if it wasn't for the fact that there's like the Ottawa Valley, there's this little piece of VEASAN Ontario which in which you can only we watch SENS games when they're on television, you can't watch any other team. There's absolutely no chance ah any kid would choose the Ottawa Senators. But like, that's why I'm a Sens fan is I was sitting at my father's knee outside of Perth, Ontario in like 1998 watching the good old hockey game. And guess what good old hockey game was on?
00:20:40
Speaker
It was the Sens. but If all you get ah is the Sens on TV, that's the best way you can ah become a Sens fan based on my personal experience.
Controversial Takes and the Take Purge
00:20:51
Speaker
Also, they were good, probably. ah They were just about to make the playoffs for the first time. Awesome. So that's like pretty getting in on the ground floor, man. And you had to watch the New Jersey Devils back then, which is like hell on earth. um Breaking side ah take purge take that you just reminded me of saying good old hockey game. I'm going to I'm going to say it during the take purge.
00:21:13
Speaker
The hockey song sucks shit. Stompin' Tom Connors is the corniest bullshit. That is embarrassing. No wonder Americans make fun of us. Like, that song is terrible.
00:21:25
Speaker
That song's fucking terrible. I hate it. i wish we could purge that song. Like, like bumblebees. And it celebrates Bobby Orr, a player, you know, from Parry Sound, Ontario, but plays for maybe the most American team.
00:21:44
Speaker
Talking about the Chicago Blackhawks where for one season. But anyway, Stomp and Tom Connors suck shit. That's corny. Moving on. Anyway, if you're in the Ot-Sentos family, fucking hold your head up.
00:21:59
Speaker
We're the best fans in Canada. No one else could do this shit. It's hard. It's thankless. I don't know if you noticed for the last, I don't know, 20 or so years, the vibes have been a bit off. But like...
00:22:13
Speaker
we No one else could pull this off. You think they could add a new team to in the country of Alberta? No. and the and And the Oilers and the and the Calgary Fires have only been in the league since the 70s. We're talking about teams that are like 100 fucking years old that we had to squeeze between.
00:22:35
Speaker
And they smell like it. Oh, yeah, and you can smell the piss all the way here when the wind is blowing right five hours away. i don't know. Sorry about that. I started off with a perfect take.
00:22:48
Speaker
Well, I mean, as long as you're feeling ah as long as you're feeling purged, can i share are you definitely purged. Can I share a related take on this topic? That's why we're here, James. no This is going to surprise no one who listens to this show, by the way, ah or knows me in real life. Respect my privacy.
00:23:08
Speaker
I'm not happy to see any Ottawa Senators alumni win the Stanley Cup i don't on another team. I don't give a shit. Let me ask you this. What do I get out of this? yeah Like what yeah what does this do for me? And people like to go straight. Like one of the best examples is Mark Stone. I think that's exactly where everyone's mind goes immediately. It's like, well, what about Mark Stone? Like, oh yeah, one of the shittiest trades in franchised history. Like, yeah, love to be reminded of that. Yeah, I'm glad it worked out for Mark Stone.
00:23:46
Speaker
Yeah, and oh, couldn't be playing for a team that I like and respect more than the Las Vegas jousters or whatever. Like, fuck off. Like, congratulations. I hope you don't pay any taxes. And but I hope there were tons of red baseball caps in the crowd when you hoisted the cup. ah I want to kill myself. Maybe bleep that out. But like, it's it's only like, because Mark Stone's like such a good vibes player.
00:24:21
Speaker
Like, did you get any joy out of ah David Rundblad lifting the cup? Or Peter Regan getting a ring with Chicago?
00:24:34
Speaker
No, the proper energy here is Eric Carlson getting 100 plus points and you not caring because we have Jake Sanderson now and he wins the Norris trophy and doesn't win the Stanley Cup. I'm sorry. I don't care about Eric Carlson winning the Stanley Cup anywhere except Ottawa. He'll be our deadline acquisition at some point in the future and that will be sick. Um,
00:24:59
Speaker
But in the meantime, Eric Carlson winning Stanley Cup equals Pittsburgh Penguins winning Stanley Cup. That is no bueno. That is for Bolton. yeah Yeah, we don't like that.
00:25:10
Speaker
yeah Another perfect taste. I have a scorcher. I feel like I'm just going to clear the lane. This is like watching. this is like I if feel like I'm in the middle of watching Will Chamberlain score 100 points right now. like I'm just going to get you the rock and stay out of the way.
00:25:25
Speaker
if you If you have real-time data in your secret Austrian bunker ah two miles below, or sorry, you probably use kilometers in Austria, this one you're going to see the listenership and subscriptions just drop off a fucking cliff. Here we go. It's the TIG purge, folks.
00:25:46
Speaker
I didn't really feel that bad for Alfie when he left town. Oh! um oh This is the worst one that I have. Oh, this what There's no way you would say this if this wasn't Take Purge. Look, what do you want? This is my first bad take. is my first bad take I've ever had. oh i' sorry. I just...
00:26:10
Speaker
Damn. Okay, sorry, I mean, what? Yeah, keep going. This is let be healthy. Let me explain. It's not like I didn't agree with him. It's not that I didn't ah understand completely. Come on, I'm not an amateur. I've been doing this since the 1970s. Like, I can tell you the fucking roster of, like, the Elmira Jackals or whatever. Like, I'm plugged in. I understand why it all happened. I hate...
00:26:40
Speaker
Ted Eugene Melnick as much as the next guy. ah But this sort of like I found it kind of exhausting about like should have paid him what they owed him.
00:26:54
Speaker
You know, there was a handshake agreement in place. like, this is a business, Hunty. Like, I don't know. Like, you still, like, in the words of ah Michael Tyson, like, sign sign the contract, big boy. Like, I don't know. And I also remember doing a mild calculation of Alfie's career earnings up to that point.
00:27:16
Speaker
And it was like, this is what we know about. Like, I don't know if he's like advertising gefilte fish and the cranberry sauce back in Svierge and getting advertisement money from that. But I think his career earnings up to that point was something like $72 million. dollars And I understand that in sports, like dollar sign, dollar amount rather and connotes respect more than ah actual like
00:27:48
Speaker
financial need or whatever. ah And Kel Sapri is the least respectful man in the NHL. Eugene Malnick didn't pony up. um But yeah, it was like, okay, so you have to, you you didn't want to take a haircut for one season of your career. Like, again, i agree with it, but I was a bit like, Alfie is the 1%. I'm kind of like, like i don't I don't know if I'm like, you're taking your kids out of school, like moving to a different country. It shows- Out of spite, out of spite. It shows shows the vitriol and I appreciate the hater energy and appreciate mine that I was like,
00:28:34
Speaker
I'm broke! I don't care. And I'm glad he didn't win the Stanley Cup with Detroit. I'm glad. I don't i want to smile word i didn't want see win the Stanley Cup with another team. I don't want to see it. I want to see him lifted over his head as assistant coach of your Ottawa Sentos.
00:28:54
Speaker
And that's that's that's the bottom line. you look You knew i was a hater when you married me. i've I think I've i've got one. i've got one that kind of ah ties into that.
00:29:08
Speaker
No one wants to hear from me for the rest of the episode, I'm sure. I think Sens fans, we need to we need to get over some shit. I'm just going to say it. Oh god. We got to like stop watching anything bad happen and be like, oh my god, this reminds me of 2006. That was years ago.
00:29:32
Speaker
That was months ago. Yeah. Even Alfie was like 13 years ago. Like we got to like, we need to stop having a Melnick mindset in an Andalauer world. A hundred percent. A hundred percent.
00:29:45
Speaker
Stop bringing your good takes to the take. No, i just know you can't get mad at me. That's that's that's my only way that's my only point. like We gotta get over it. like Okay, we lost to the Leafs a few times 20 fucking years ago. like that That's fine.
00:30:01
Speaker
like The Leafs are nowhere now. is you like We lost again, whatever. Who would you rather be right now? Be honest. From the fan base that brought you bemoaning the loss of Jonathan Dahlin for like two years. Like we may have the best fans who like ah have been holding this shit down extremely well ah in a way that no other city could.
00:30:24
Speaker
But at the same time, we have to like... we can't let the only part of our like shared fandom be some awful stuff that happened 20 years ago like it's time to time to move on a bit and yeah even even i mean even and especially the alfie stuff now is like you know like he's back alfie's alfie's back he's behind the bench and you know the other party in that dispute not around anymore Then, just to tie things back, I was at his return game to Ottawa. I was at his retirement thing. I was at his number retirement. Like, I have a fucking Alfie. I love Alfie. But, like...
00:31:06
Speaker
It was like a knife right through my heart watching him like put up an assist against Ottawa. like My love for the Sens always eclipsed my disdain for Melnick. It's root, root, root for the home team. like i don't I can't do that. like i'm I'm loving the vibe of, like wow, Alfie really got the power play going for our lads, didn't he? like Hell yeah. This is right. This feels good. This is...
00:31:35
Speaker
much better than like ah he did he he did the right thing leaving like i hate that also i have a bit of a related take uh and i it came up recently on another podcast i don't know if you've heard these other sense podcasts one worse than the next except for maybe elite sends brain um where on this other redacted podcast, they were saying like I don't understand why the vibes are so bad on, on the sense sphere on X, ah the everything website, twitter.x. And, uh,
00:32:16
Speaker
It's like, because if you look at the, you know, season and how it went, it's like this. And, you know, examining the three rounds that Carolina has, you know, gone through to get to the final, the Sens probably put up the biggest fight against them. And if we just had some puck luck and blah, blah, blah. Why are the fans so upset? Why are they upset? Listen, here's my take.
00:32:38
Speaker
Fans don't matter. We don't matter. Stop paying attention to us. We're fucking idiots. I hate, like... Mark Mathot used to be so annoying on Redacted Show um because he'd always be like talking about annoying people on Twitter. It's like, yeah, have you been on this website? i'm I was on there at the time, the most annoying person who ever lived.
00:33:02
Speaker
Like... Who cares? This is not interesting. It's like, we're always going to have terrible opinions. We're always like this. Which is our right, by the way. wait It's our right. And listen, this is why the vibes are bad. We're in hell.
00:33:15
Speaker
We're in hell. Like this shit sucks. We just watched our favorite team make a miraculous like... turn around to their season after historically bad goaltending and the goaltending situation we won't get into right now and rumors and innuendo and blah blah blah they make the damn playoffs get fucking destroyed by one of the most uninteresting teams in nhl history like we're i'm sorry i'm gonna be mad about that all summer fuck off don't pay attention to me yeah exactly
00:33:50
Speaker
The Royal Week. We're upset. We're stupid. It's our job to be stupid.
00:33:57
Speaker
We don't matter. Don't listen to us.
00:34:02
Speaker
Hey, everybody. This Virata sitting on my off-season yacht looking at my helicopter thinking about the Ottawa Senators. It's one of those yachts with a helicopter.
00:34:15
Speaker
um I know we're doing a take Purge on this episode. And um have two that I'm not sure the degree to which these will be really disagreed with, to be honest with you. I feel like even if you disagree with it on the surface, you know it's right deep down in your heart.
00:34:36
Speaker
The first take is that... um Pierre Dorian is an underappreciated general manager. And I'm not going to claim that the mistakes he made weren't mistakes.
00:34:52
Speaker
I'm not going to claim that the things he said that made him sound dopey and that embarrassed the team were actually fine.
00:35:03
Speaker
You know, we didn't get anything from Mark Stone, who's the captain of a Stanley Cup winning team now.
00:35:11
Speaker
We lost a first round pick after he fucked up the Dadunov trade.
00:35:18
Speaker
But there are two things that I think are way, way either underappreciated or over-weighted in the assessment of Pierre Dorian's legacy. The first is that he drafted in the top five two players with the third and fifth pick that if that draft were to happen today would probably be first and second.
00:35:45
Speaker
Tim Stutzla and Jake Sanderson. And then he signed them to eight year deals that were very team friendly. And that now in 2026, we look at those deals. First of all, eight year deals aren't even legal in the CBA anymore.
00:36:04
Speaker
And secondly,
00:36:07
Speaker
The cap is going up this year and it's going to go up the year after that and it's going to go up the year after that. That decision has literally given Ottawa a window of of contention that is not three years or four years or five years. He's given Ottawa almost a decade-long window of contention.
00:36:29
Speaker
And he saved the team millions and millions of dollars. Stuttle and Sanderson, if they had been signed to two or three year bridge deals, would be re-signing this year for what? 10 million?
00:36:42
Speaker
11 million? 12 million? He saved the Ottawa Senators millions of dollars which can go towards other players and help to turn them into a contender. If this team does not contend for Stanley Cup in the next half a dozen years, that's not on Dorian.
00:36:58
Speaker
That's on Steyos. And that move, the importance of of drafting those two players and getting them on those deals vastly outweighs any of the Mickey Mouse mistakes.
00:37:11
Speaker
Any of the, oh, I can't believe he gave up a second round pick for that guy. Oh, I can't believe he traded Dylan DeMello for a third round pick. Yeah, of course, that stuff sucks. I get it. I get it.
00:37:23
Speaker
I'm not defending the Mickey Mouse moves. I'm saying they just don't matter that much compared to what he did right. The second thing about Dorian is that the the big swings that didn't work out trading for Matt Duchesne, trading for Alex Dobrynkit, trading for Jacob Chikrin.
00:37:45
Speaker
Nobody at the time thought those were bad moves. I'm a big believer in you assess a team by the assumptions they make on the front end of the deal, not whether the deal worked out.
00:37:57
Speaker
If you make reasonable assumptions using good data and it doesn't work out, then that's just the way it works. There's way too much that's outside of your control to discount somebody or write off their legacy because things didn't work out.
00:38:17
Speaker
Duchesne didn't work out, Dabrinket didn't work out, and Chikern didn't work out. But the assumptions about whether those players were good and whether Ottawa got value in what they gave up for those players were sound. Those were good assumptions. And everybody at the time felt good.
00:38:35
Speaker
that Dorian won those trades. After the Debrinkit trade, he reenacted the trade call so that they could put it on social media because it was such a win. Remember Dorian Summer?
00:38:48
Speaker
I mean, he was so active. I remember tweeting at the time when after they traded for Debrinkit that Ottawa got the best young player available and didn't give up any prospects and didn't give up any roster players. And my tweet was read on, I don't know, some ottawa or some Toronto Maple Leafs video blog with like thousands of listeners because that was the general feeling that was that Dorian was like running the table.
00:39:17
Speaker
And like, why couldn't the Leafs have done this? Why couldn't anybody else have done it? You know, you're winning a trade when people are saying, We could have beaten that offer. Are you kidding me? Yeah, it didn't work out. I think you can ask a lot more questions about why Dabrinkit never played with Tim Stutzla, for example. but But that's a DJ Smith question, not a Dorian question.
00:39:37
Speaker
Chikrin, yeah, you can ask why are you trading for a left shot defenseman when you already have Jake Sanderson and and Thomas Shabbat. Perfectly reasonable. Defensemen get hurt all the time, though. And of course, if Chikrin works out and he's amazing, you can always trade Shabbat or you can trade, you know, whoever to make room for Chikrin.
00:39:55
Speaker
perfectly reasonable trade to make at the time. So it drives me crazy when I see people saying, well, clearly he shouldn't have done that to Brinkett trade with the benefit of hindsight. it's It's absolutely insane. Everybody thought it was a ah huge win at the time.
00:40:11
Speaker
um So that's my take number one. I'm assuming once these are purged, we'll never raise it again. So I'll try my best to not bring that up again. But Pierre Dorian, underappreciated general manager. I'm not saying he's a good general manager.
00:40:24
Speaker
I'm not saying he's a great general manager. I'm saying he's underappreciated. He's certainly not... a bad general manager or the worst general manager. And of course, we're not even, we haven't even mentioned the fact that he had Eugene Melnick as his owner throughout, you know, most of his tenure. So Dorian, if you're listening, I'm sure you are.
00:40:45
Speaker
You're still not that great, but you're you're better than people say. You are better than you say. And you know, honestly, i hope he gets another crack at it. I hope he ends up being a general manager somewhere else and we can see what he does with hopefully a more normal ownership group.
00:41:02
Speaker
The second take, um you know, I mean this from a place of love and i aim it as much at myself 10, 15 years ago as I do at anyone else.
00:41:16
Speaker
But it's June. I'm looking at my phone. I'm looking at various sends blogs and Instagram accounts and stuff and what people are saying.
00:41:28
Speaker
And I really, this probably isn't even that hot a take because I feel like you all kind of know it deep down in your heart. We really got to turn that, turn the energy down. Like, because it's not a positive energy.
00:41:40
Speaker
We got to turn the energy down by, turn the volume down by like 10%. You know, I was looking at some brand new Sens blog that just launched.
00:41:51
Speaker
and they decided to introduce themselves to the world by relitigating how little Ottawa got for Stone. And it's like, dudes, we know.
00:42:06
Speaker
We know, okay? We know. This is meant to be fun. It doesn't mean that we you have to become a cheerleader for everything. It doesn't mean that you have to agree with everything the team has ever done.
00:42:19
Speaker
What I would really love to see, and I don't know how to do this with 77 Sens blogs, including our own, but I really love to see is to stop re-litigating the past.
00:42:31
Speaker
It's not fun. It's not healthy. You've got to look forward. You've got to take that energy and put it into speculative scenarios about what the Sens could do.
00:42:41
Speaker
Okay. Nobody needs to know that the Sens, the stone trade didn't work out because they they know you're not informing anybody about that. I did this when Welcome to Your Carlson years, you know, i think we started it in like the mid aughts.
00:42:55
Speaker
And i was out there just like everyone else talking about how, you know, asc sends are giving up second round picks for, you know, stopgap measures and we need to do a proper rebuild and we were hoping to sneak in and anything can happen. So I take as much responsibility for this as anybody.
00:43:13
Speaker
But this constant re-litigation of past mistakes, we don't even have the same owner anymore. we don't have the same owner anymore. We don't have the same GM anymore.
00:43:24
Speaker
look forward it's time for us to stop re-litigating the past because it's just toxic it's absolutely toxic so those are my two takes Pure Dorian was underappreciated, which I guess is me relitigating the past, but that's why this is a take purge.
00:43:40
Speaker
I'm going to purge it and then it's gone. i'm not going say it again. And i think the Sen's, Sen'sosphere is much, much too focused on the past and as much too negative as a result.
00:43:53
Speaker
Got to look forward, got to get excited. So anyways, I hope that's worthwhile.
Guest Participation in Take Purge
00:43:58
Speaker
Go Sens, go.
00:44:03
Speaker
What, wait, what? What's this? ah A second customer? this doesn't This doesn't usually happen. um Good evening, stranger. You've joined us on a very auspicious night.
00:44:17
Speaker
ah It's actually the Take Purge tonight. um Are you here to purge takes and can I get you a drink? Apparently, yeah.
00:44:29
Speaker
I thought that terrible takes that you don't want to own are the domain of men, but please welcome your trailblazing to this ah affair.
00:44:41
Speaker
Yeah, you know, I'm a little nervous. In fact, I might even say that my first plot take is maybe it's a little bit misogynistic to ask a woman to drop controversial takes on a podcast because I'm going to get in way more trouble than you guys will.
00:44:55
Speaker
No, is this is the take purge. All takes are legal today. Have you not heard the news? All right. All right. i'm a little I'm a little reluctant to believe it, but I hope that if any of my haters are listening, they are aware of the exercise we're doing and they know that they can't hold me responsible for any of these.
00:45:15
Speaker
Lady, this is the Senegoth Lounge. No one is listening. And we were we will form a protective circle around you of way, way worse opinions than you're probably going to drop. So this is a safe space. ah Yeah, no one can hold these against you. ah The opinions expressed here are going to disintegrate after listening to Well, unless I end up being right about things um and I'm like vindicated later on, then I would say that's the one place where we're allowed to, like I don't know, yeah hold on to those takes. yeah
00:45:50
Speaker
But otherwise, yeah, they should disappear. Yeah, we got this is like a signal chat or whatever nightmarish people use to communicate with each other these days.
00:46:03
Speaker
i yeah In that case, I invite you to to purge a take. Oh my god, you're putting me on the spot. So my first take, my first take. Let me sit with current Ottawa Senators on topic for a SEMS podcast.
00:46:18
Speaker
I'm not sure I fully believe this one, but I'm going to say it anyways. I think that we have already seen peak Brady Kachuk, and he has too many injuries, and he's going to end up getting worse, and we're not going to get like a a version of Brady that is like close to what Matthew is right now.
00:46:35
Speaker
o So we should trade him now. Matthew, who just missed like an entire season due to injury, and I still agree with you, kind of. And again, that's one where I'm like, if I end up being right, you can use this against me. But if I'm wrong, like, please don't.
00:46:52
Speaker
Yeah, it's a take perch. Can we soar together like snowbirds, Beata? By the way, we're joined by Beata here from Elite Sends Brain. The only other good Sends podcast. outside of on earth Outside of these two, each one worse than the next. um I also asked my co-host if she had any takes she wanted me to say on her behalf. And she's a coward. She didn't have any.
00:47:13
Speaker
Unfortunately, all of our takes were perfect and ah do not qualify as terrible. um Or purge-worthy, I should say. But yes, let's let's soar together like snowbirds, Beata, is what my my most cursed ah purge take of... all I also have a Brady Kachuk one. And it's, number one, I know he put up numbers against the Leafs, but...
00:47:38
Speaker
I have been waiting for a player like Brady Kachuk during my entire true Norwegian black metal Sens fandom, as alluded to earlier in the episode. I've been waiting. This guy is like, imagine Mike Fisher didn't believe in God and was like more skilled.
00:47:57
Speaker
ah I've been a kind of disappointed in him in the play. Like, I've been waiting and waiting waiting for this guy and for the specific purpose to play in the playoffs. Had to wait what felt like an eternity to get there. And I've been, like, a little nonplussed. I think the first time was due to injury.
00:48:16
Speaker
hura Hurrah. And I think that kind of speaks to your point. And the second time is, like... ah Zero points i and shooting the puck directly into terrible goalie Frederick Anderson's chest protector over and over again. Like, yikes. This has not been going great so far. 100% agree.
00:48:41
Speaker
I want to purge on top of this purge. ah Because I think I can tie this up with another purge worthy take.
00:48:51
Speaker
This version of the Zens won't take the next step until everyone just finally admits that this is Tim Stutz's team now. Oh, fuego!
00:49:03
Speaker
And I mean, every like Brady Kachuk needs to admit it. Tim Stutzler needs to admit it. Like when Tim Stutzler is off the screen, all the other players should be asking where's Stutzler. Meet me up in this tree and I'm going to tell you a secret. Stutzler or Jake Sanderson could take over the captaincy of this team seamlessly, I think.
00:49:25
Speaker
Yeah. And Jake Sanderson's 11 years old, which is crazy. ah i Let me do you what I also I also going to add yet another shitty thing to this pile of shit.
00:49:38
Speaker
I think that Brady Kachuck is going to leave and we need to maximize return from I do not trust his family and their weird make the and NHL great again plans. um ah I hate Keith Kachuk. I don't like the vibe coming off of him at all.
00:49:55
Speaker
um and we need Oh, you don't like his spam ass head? Yeah. Big Walt is right. Anyway, ah and here's the worst part. We could probably get an amazing return for Brady Kachuk, hopefully, if we play our cards right. And I think at least Steve Stoicism's at the helm and not at a certain other person. But...
00:50:18
Speaker
but If Beata's take holds true and this is peak Brady Kachuk, I got bad news. He will win the Stanley Cup during his career with another team. It's just the Sens fan experience.
00:50:31
Speaker
Strap in. the most That's why I got into the game as a lad to watch fucking Brady Kachuk, a player I've waited my whole life to cheer for, win the Stanley Cup with another team. Probably the goddamn Las Vegas Golden Knights.
00:50:46
Speaker
Yeah, i would even say, i'm not even convinced that Brady right now is desperate to leave. I think people who think that are... like It's a little premature, all this narrative about like Brady is desperate to leave, he wants to he's gonna ri request a trade or something. And even despite that, I think that now, or like maybe next offseason, is the time to cut ties.
00:51:07
Speaker
Yeah, that's fair. i think like... and another weird take coming in based off this is like, even during the shittiest times, The Sens actually did, like, considering every time there was, like, ah this player's not going to re resign here, they actually got the job done more than people probably want to admit. Like, I didn't fight in the Bobby Ryan is going to resign Twitter wars. Like, I didn't see my buddies die face down in the mud to say, like, everyone left town during that period. Like, they actually kept kept a lot of players around. um And I could see under much improved vibes of Michael...
00:51:45
Speaker
and Lauer and, you know, etc., that it's completely possible that he'd want he'd stay. I don't know.
00:51:55
Speaker
So the only thing about trading Brady Kachuk is that he does have a full no movement clause, which means that until Brady Kachuk agrees that he should be traded, there's really no point in even talking about it. and Outside of the shake court purge, of course. Okay.
00:52:13
Speaker
So just writing down Brady Kachuk to Las Vegas Golden Knights. And... Fuck. Fuck.
00:52:23
Speaker
Actually, while we're approaching the topic, I just have one thing to say about um a certain player on the Detroit Red Wings. And I will repeat this on my own podcast, but I'm saying it first here. Oh, exclusive.
00:52:37
Speaker
I have nothing against players like... using their no move clauses or whatever, you know, you negotiated for that, it's in your contract, whatever, workers' rights. However, i do think that if you only want to go to cup contenders and teams in tax-free states or whatever, i think you are a massive loser and I should be allowed to call you that. Hell yeah. Go off, Queen. that That's one of the most annoying things when a certain ah large lad who played on a defensive pairing with Eric Carlson was in front of a microphone all the time. oh God. The nonstop tax talk, like...
00:53:17
Speaker
Like, oh yeah, Florida, the worst place in North America is so awesome. The golf there is great. There's no tax, blah, blah, blah. It's like, read a book. each Yeah, each year that the Sens don't win the Stanley Cup is one year closer to my death where they don't win. like Don't you have that same sense of urgency, player who might only be in the league for like a handful of years?
00:53:41
Speaker
I want to play for a good team. It sucks so much that the tax-free teams are good now. It was way better when it was like Ole Okunin is the best player on the Florida Panthers, and it's not even close. Like, yeah, go play in obscurity. Like, meanwhile, I will personally build a statue of you if you bring the Stanley Cup to my city. I don't Again, losers. Isn't one of Dylan Larkin's like requested teams also Minnesota, though? Well, yeah, but that's because he gets to play with his buddies on a team that can probably win the cup without him.
00:54:16
Speaker
Which, again, I also think that's loser behavior. If you're just like, I just want to play for a team that can get me a Stanley Cup without me trying. mean, I saw the trade list of Vegas and Florida and Minnesota and immediately was like, one of those things is not like the other.
00:54:32
Speaker
He must really like Brock Faber. Yeah, you do kind of have to hand it to, like, Sidney Crosby's, like, autistic excellence of just, like, yeah, we're fucking doing it here. Like, he's not going anywhere, that guy. Like, he is is his brain won't do that. It won't allow him. Like, he still made the playoffs, and he's 63 this year, I think. Like, shout out to that strategy. Like, that's not loser behavior. i got i got to God, do we kind of have to hand it to Sidney Crosby
NHL Player Loyalty and Management
00:55:04
Speaker
at this point? I don't know. I know this is the take purge, but now you're really starting to push my patience.
00:55:11
Speaker
I'm handing it to Sidney Crosby. You're lucky this is you're doing it today of all days. A friend of mine, who her name will be redacted from this podcast. We were watching something and she in the most we we were watching something in the most just disappointed voice ever, she was like, God, is Sidney Crosby hot now? He's sad to admit it. Like, I think I kind of find him hot. Like, all right, we're turning off the TV. Like, this is... We we like we can't we can't be messing in these circles.
00:55:44
Speaker
We can't get... Like, we've got to remember that this guy is a Pittsburgh Penguin scum for life. But did not display the you the loser behavior that you're outlining, Beata. I'll give him that. Well, yeah, because Americans are ruining this league and Canadians are better.
00:56:01
Speaker
Yeah. Well, and Ovechkin, who's from Country Redacted, ah go to hell. ah Also kind of like stuck with ah his draft team.
00:56:13
Speaker
the I hate that we have to hand it to players for doing that now. It used to be a given. Yeah, we're handing it to them in the tiniest hands imaginable.
00:56:24
Speaker
Well, one day they'll hand it to ah Brady Kachuk for sticking with Ottawa and winning the cup with the team that drafted him. Mark my words. Can I throw out a terrible one here?
00:56:37
Speaker
I don't care about the downtown arena anymore. I don't care. but ah Honestly, fair enough. I'm broken. Like, it's been too long. Do you know how close I live to where it's going to be? Like, I am in walking distance to the the proposed site. i I'm going to have my personal support worker wheeling me to the game at that point and i hope i still have like my senses about me to know what's going on when i'm at the game by the time that arena is done you see that train station they built in china in three years like we got we got work to do president chi my hockey team yearns for freedom listen i have an excellent relationship with president chi so i'll make a call Please invade Ottawa, Ontario specifically. Yes.
00:57:25
Speaker
I have one. i This is probably my most cursed one. Hell yeah. So I want to deliver it. I don't care at all that the Leafs won the first overall pick in the draft. water Oh, I need this. let's yeah Like, I don't like the Leafs are over.
00:57:42
Speaker
The Leafs are over. Like, that they're dead. They have general manager Claude being marionated like a puppet. I would say it's more grok. The Leafs are over. Like, what are they going to do? Okay, they're going to win the first overall pick and a draft a guy. They already did that, and they were terrible. They won, like, two...
00:58:04
Speaker
a playoff series in in 10 years there's like it's it's fine we won ottawa we the ottawa senators have won the rivalry the leafs are speaking of i don't care what speaking of two times in 10 years they won that first overall pick fair and square
00:58:21
Speaker
it's called luck look it up ask the ask the arizona coyotes about the draft lottery you know, I hope you're right. Did we did didn't we go over this? I don't know if this was just in the group chat, but like, it's a fait accompli that they're gonna rebuild again. It's like, you actually kind of pulled the rebuild off and that's hard. Like, look how many times it took the Oilers to do it. And they got Conrad McDavis and Leon Dreisler. Like, think about the bodies in the wake, like, to get there. And they still didn't get it done. Like, pressing the reset button, I think, is, like, cool with your Grok, like, rebuild simulator that turns into, uh, disgusting images that I won't get into. Um, but, uh...
00:59:16
Speaker
you Talk about a lottery. It's like you are really like putting everything on red like to start over again. Osthan Taylor or Matthews. like guy had like a season, didn't he? like ah I don't know if that's gonna happen again with whatever this guy that they're gonna get. It's a huge, huge gamble to just blow it up.
00:59:46
Speaker
They're terrible, but like they missed the playoffs fucking once and they're gonna press reset on it. Like, okay. While we're shit-talking our rivals, I'm gonna say something even more controversial.
00:59:58
Speaker
go um The Habs are not good, and i think this year's run is as far as the score is ever gonna take them. Amazing. so Sorry, you you know we're trying to go for bad kicks, right? What if next year, i think next season they introduce the overtime, three overtime, so we're in trouble because they're really good at that. So once they add that to the playoffs, we're doomed.
01:00:25
Speaker
I'm not going lock this in yet, but I do think there's a decent chance they miss the playoffs next year. oh One billion percent. I completely agree. I know you're very plugged into the Habs-verse.
01:00:40
Speaker
Unfortunately. Mostly due to geography. Did you find it more funny or sad that they earnestly thought they were good and had a chance against Carolina?
01:00:50
Speaker
I think it was honestly just more frustrating because I was constantly surrounded by Habs fans who kept telling me the team was good and I was like, excuse me, if you look at the expected goals, the Sens were actually way better even though they got swept, which made me look like a giant loser.
01:01:05
Speaker
Yeah, it's... But Montreal also got swept. If you lose four games in a row in the playoffs, that's getting swept. One exhibition game and then four actual games against Carolina. Actually, i have i have a good take that I fully stand by, but I think people might be mad at me for it. I mean, it i surprised it's disrespectful that you've brought nothing but good takes so far, but go ahead. um So I understand why a lot of Suns fans hate the Leafs more than they they hate the Habs, but I think Habs fans are so much more annoying, so much worse to deal with than Leafs fans. And they're dumber. In my experience, they just fundamentally do not understand sports rivalries.
01:01:47
Speaker
Like, they genuinely think that they cheer for the morally correct team and that anyone who doesn't cheer for this team is just a bad person. And they like don't understand that sometimes you're just kind of having fun hating a team. You missed earlier in in the pod before you blessed the mic with us, but ah we were talking, i brought to the table that I just want a Canadian team to win as one of the stupidest takes in a Canadian hockey fan can have. Real true Norwegian black metal hockey fans in Canada hate the Canadian teams the most and wish they drowned in their own blood in the playoffs. But ah I do know a few people. this ah It is a popular opinion in Canada. Like, oh, I just want to see the Canadian team win.
01:02:32
Speaker
And when the last standing Canadian team was the Montreal Canadiens. To any Sens fan that has this awful take, I say this.
01:02:43
Speaker
Here's what I would like you to do. During the regular season next year when your Aught Centos are playing the Montreal Canadiens, I want you to go to a resto bar of your choosing that has a shuttle bus to the game, and I want you to put on your $300 long-sleeved polyester Ottawa Senators shirt and ride the bus to the game with the Habs fans that are going, and tell me that you wish anything good for these motherfuckers by the end of the bus ride. It is awful.
01:03:20
Speaker
It stinks on that bus. And start handing out free deodorant to Habs fans at Ottawa Senators Home Games, please. I agree with you, but I will add I do think that the Canada's team people are necessary to the ecosystem of Canadian hockey and the rivalry between teams. Because I would say that the amount of people who rally behind every Canadian team is what makes me really really want my Canadian team to be the first one to win the cup.
01:03:51
Speaker
I'm gonna push you on this one. Do you feel like anyone in Canada roots for the Sens when we're the only Canadian team left in the... That's happened a number of times and I never felt any like backup from an outside fan base at all. In fact, like... think there was in a very like condescending way of like oh the sons are so irrelevant we'll cheer for them like i have no bad blood i have no like ill will toward them it's fine but i also met the media kind of like pushing that narrative so point what i mean more is like i like that the media narrative exists even though i don't personally buy into it because occasionally it does benefit my team what about this speaking of uh like
01:04:38
Speaker
tinkering with the team.
Ottawa Senators: Trade Strategies
01:04:40
Speaker
Here's one. No big moves. I don't think that Steyo should do any big moves. I think that the like David Perron out, ah Fogel in moves are the way to go from here on out.
01:04:55
Speaker
I don't really think they have the... toys to offer another team for something awesome. I actually think the team is good and deep with the exception of like Nick Jensen being an important part of the team up till now. Like, but I think that Jordan Spence could probably pull that off, like be comparable to Nick Jensen at the very least.
01:05:23
Speaker
Um, But I think it's it's more of a ah matter of like bolstering, like, get a good non-bigoted backup goalie. ah You know, probably there's an added-in bonus take. ah I think the wheels are going to fall off Claude Giroux soon, and we need to start thinking about that. I think Claude Giroux has been, like, too important, and we need to start thinking about that more. Yeah.
01:05:54
Speaker
But I think the things like getting Lars Eller or whatever, that's we got a Carolina Hurricanes our way to success, not New York Rangers. like Who's the sexiest ah like Alex DeBort cat we can trade everything we have for? I don't know. That's not the move for me. I think we need to like know that we have a good team right now and sort of build on that.
01:06:23
Speaker
i I almost agree, except I think, as you said, the wheels are going to fall off Klochiehu, and also I'm not super confident in Brady Kachuk going forward. Also, I don't think Drake Batherson is that good. So I do think that we need an upgrade at forward. However, you mentioned Jordan Spence. I think he is the top four defenseman that we've been looking for, and it's really stupid that the Sens are looking to improve on him.
01:06:50
Speaker
There's a bit of a, mo what more must he do after last season? Like they had him like playing on the first pair. He was their number D for a few games. He crushed it.
01:07:01
Speaker
Yeah, I agree. So I think that if we are going to make an upgrade, then the guy who's got to while he still can Here it comes. Here it comes. Ridley Gregg.
01:07:20
Speaker
Ooh, I thought you were going to say Thomas Shabbat. well I'm not that much of a psycho, Jesus Christ. No, Ridley Gregg, if you look, I mean, I don't know how much he's been getting better from year to year. Like, he's 23 now, but, like, still seems like the same guy was as a rookie. Maybe you should take him behind the barn and shoot him. He's 23? Yeah, I think, but, like, he came into the league as a 20-year-old, and we were like, oh, well...
01:07:45
Speaker
ah ridley greg imagine how good he'll be when he develops and i don't know still kind of the same guy i think if we have to trade a ah young player they get a a better asset back like literally greg's on my list I'm gonna go even more controversial than that.
01:08:07
Speaker
I think, and I need to preface this with, this is only if there is like a perfect trade, somebody that fits like you know a great forward that is exactly what they need, that has finishing talent, that wants to stick around.
01:08:20
Speaker
if they can have If they need to make a good trade and they're like looking for prospects, picks, players that they can throw in, the one prospect that I think we can spare Not that I want him to trade it, but it's Carter Yakumchuk. Oh, you mean our only prospect? Yeah, exactly. I mean, I like him. I'd like to hold on to him.
01:08:40
Speaker
But I think that the Sens have such a good defense core right now that they could potentially spare him if there was an opportunity to make the team a lot better. This is in line with what I'm saying is like, we need to acknowledge that this is the deepest Sens team we've had in since like the early 2000s. It's like the amount of defense injuries that we had in the playoffs and still like kind of were Like, in the past, to'd be like, oh, Eric Carlson is injured. We should all just, like, get a giant bus and we'll all get on and drive it off a bridge together, Thelma and Louise style. Like, we're doomed. Whereas, like, man, I would have thought,
01:09:23
Speaker
like the team couldn't go on without like Zub or Shabbat in the past. And like they, they were able to do that. It was hilarious. I'm, I'm nervous about Carter Yakumchuk. He's eight years old.
01:09:39
Speaker
ah But it was hilarious to see him do that. Twix the legs, the Harlem Globetrotters pass in, in the game against Detroit, which led to a goal. And then,
01:09:51
Speaker
He did like the old shimmy and shake for his own goal in that same game, but they brought it back for the playoffs and he did the identical between the legs pass against the Hurricanes and got absolutely fucking owned. I was ah!
01:10:07
Speaker
I think like the quality of opponent is drastically higher between Detroit. You can do that shit against Detroit, but you can't do it against like an actual good team like Carolina. You're in the NHL now, buddy. like Bring that shit back to the AHL.
01:10:23
Speaker
Yeah, the Adirondack Wings versus the now-in-the-finals-leading Carolina Hurricanes. So you'd move Yakumchuk for, like, win... This is in line with our fellow host in...
01:10:46
Speaker
voicemail for him, Verata, is that we should do absolutely everything possible to win now with this lineup. Is that your feelings, Beata? Yeah, pretty much.
01:10:58
Speaker
And again, I love Carter Yakumchuk. I'd love for him to stick around. i can see a future where the Sens keep him and are really good and he's amazing. I just think they need more shooting talent at forward.
01:11:10
Speaker
And if Carter Yakumchuk is what it takes to get that like last piece that they need, then I would do it. It does seem like the Sens are at long last deep in that defense. So I think there's a good... There's a good argument for what you're for what you're saying.
01:11:30
Speaker
It is crazy though, like defense... Defenders get hurt so much that we've already had to call up Carter Yakumchuk in the playoffs. Like, that's nuts. Like, the idea of not having them anymore is kind of wild.
01:11:47
Speaker
Yeah, and like... You know, if they get a few injuries on defense, things start to look pretty bad. Like, I don't know. um They do need like defense prospects and they need like decent third-pairing defensemen and everything. Again, I'm not saying that like we gotta get rid of this guy. I'm just saying like that like defense is strength right now for the Sens. Yeah, you'd be willing to talent it. And shooting talented forward is a weakness.
01:12:13
Speaker
Yeah, okay. Not every hockey team is lucky enough to have 35 year old Ben Sherratt on the roster for almost 4 million dollars a year until 2029. oh yeah go As long as we're talking about win now trades, ah i have ah I have a take I want to purge now.
01:12:33
Speaker
Purge it. The Duchenne trade was good actually. That trade was Shane Bowers, ah Andrew Hammond, a third round pick in 2019 and a first round pick that ended up being Bowen Byram um and then Kyle Torres to Nashville for Matt Duchesne. That's like actually the sort of like spicy thing that we should do again, I think.
01:13:02
Speaker
Like if you look at how Matt Duchesne did in Ottawa, like he held up his end of the bargain. like that was for sure That was a fine grade at the time, considering that Ottawa had just made the the playoffs. And it was it did seem like it was going to be the exact sort of upgrade ah the Sens needed.
01:13:22
Speaker
The main problem was just that ah Ottawa's main defensemen after Eric Carlson were Cody Ceci, Dion Phaneuf, Johnny O'Dudia, Freddie Clayson, and Ben Harper.
01:13:37
Speaker
And also, I think like a rookie Thomas Shabbat. Turns out ah the wheels fell off those guys after the long play yeah playoff run. But like conceptually, yeah the Duchenne trade was good. That's my I'm purging that that that take.
01:13:52
Speaker
i will I will go one further with a similar take purge. The trade for Alex Dobrynkit was the right move at the time. Dorian's only mistake was not checking to see if the guy has any interest whatsoever in playing in Ottawa. yeah Yeah. Imagine this team right now with Alex Dobrynkit. It would be so much better.
01:14:16
Speaker
I can't even tell if you're doing a bit right now I am 100% serious. I don't like the guy. I wish him all the worst. So far, so good, actually. At the time, that was the right move for Dorian to make because Sens had tons of defense prospects. They didn't know how those defense prospects were going to pan out. Plenty of them panned out.
01:14:41
Speaker
So like, clearly it was the right move to say, hey, we don't have any forward prospects in the system. and There's one available right now. Let's just make this move right now. And it was another magic beans situation in exchange, was it not? Like, I don't remember the big piece that went the other It just a bunch of picks. I don't think they've really panned out. Yeah.
01:15:01
Speaker
Pier Dorian hated picks. Hated them. Get these out of here. ah I have a quick Dorian redemption song. It's a bit of a it's a bit of a defense of the the boy PD, our Manic Pixie nightmare gm that we had for a while.
01:15:25
Speaker
You can't discount... Pierre Dorian's regime's drafting and taking Stutzl and Sanderson off of luck. Everybody is lucky in the NHL. Every GM gets luck. Every GM has bad luck, usually. Like, he he did the damn thing. You gotta take your fedora off to it. Like, I'm sorry.
01:15:48
Speaker
Yes, if he got the number one pick, he would have taken Alexi Lafreniere. So would have everyone else. So did the Nye Rangers. Like, he got third.
01:16:00
Speaker
If he got second, he probably would have taken Quentin Byfield. l LA did that too. That's not bad luck or good luck. Like, it's just what happened happened.
01:16:10
Speaker
And he he crushed that thing. There was lots of pressure to take... Jamie d Drysdale or whatever instead like over Jake Sanderson he did not do that like that was an excellent excellent draft and these are the facts of the case and they are undisputed who cares like yes the the the San Jose Sharks pick was extremely fortuitous, who no one could have predicted that they would have ah fallen that far in the standings. And that's why everyone is no fun and lottery protects their number one picks now. And luckily ah that didn't happen this time because it was so inconceivable. But like, like I just, I think it's unfair to take
01:17:05
Speaker
the accomplishment of drafting not one but two players that could have easily gone number one in that draft in retrospect at three and five. it brings It brings me no joy to to defend Pierre Aloysius Dorian like this on air, but it's the take purge. I feel I have no problem giving it up to Pierre Dorian for the 2020 draft. it's And even the 2019 draft to some extent. Because, you know, Shane pinto's jane Pinto is looking good there as a second round pick. Also, he's playing well. yeah
01:17:39
Speaker
um Ridley Gorg also in that draft, was he not? That was 2020. They had three first round picks and they were Stutzla, Sanderson and then late in the first round it was Greg.
01:17:50
Speaker
Yeah. Great draft. Even 2018, when Ottawa took Brady Kachuk at four, like there was a lot of discussion about, like oh, is Sedina the guy? Should they take someone else? yeah that wasn't a That wasn't a slam dunk pick at the time.
01:18:05
Speaker
ah What I will dock Dorian for, though, is every subsequent draft since 2020. Yeah. That's i guess I guess I've heard over the years a lot of like, actually, he just lucked out. like blow I'm like, so the fuck what? like sometimes you get lacked yeah Sometimes you get Sidney Crosby and sometimes you get Neil Yakupov. That's luck also. you know ah Sometimes you only draft in the lottery two times in recent memory and you get the number one pick mysteriously each time.
01:18:42
Speaker
ah No names, all names redacted, but luck is just part of it. you know like Luck is part of Kyle Turris being an extremely serviceable second line center and David Runblad being a real estate agent in Malmo, Sweden now probably. probably you know like it could have He could have been the next Eric Carlson. I don't know.
01:19:05
Speaker
was good luck this time. ah it was bad luck that... ah Real estate agent Eric Brandstrom wasn't the next Eric Carlson, but at the time he was one of the most heralded prospects in the entire league.
01:19:20
Speaker
Like that's why that trade was one for one partly. Related to that, I think people need to stop acting like the Red Wings were super unlucky with their lottery luck for the entire rebuild. Because in at least 2019 and 2020, they got top three picks. They're like top three players in both of those drafts, even if they were drafting lower. So like either they're lucky to get those players or they were unlucky to not draft Alexi Lafanaire first overall. like
01:19:51
Speaker
when you When you say people though, do you mean Wings fans? Red Wings fans and the media. Oh, okay, good. Because I see a lot of hockey writers saying like, oh, the Red Wings were kind of screwed by terrible draft ah lot draft lottery luck. And it's like, okay, so they don't want more Red Sider then? They don't want ah Lucas Raymond? They could play Jake Samuelson instead of Lucas Raymond if they wanted. They just weren't smart enough to draft him, so.
01:20:15
Speaker
yeah And as a former Nepean raider, it brings me no joy to say that my brother-in-arms Steven Iserman is a waste man as a GM. He sucks. That's not a controversial take though. I will gladly say that at any point, anywhere.
01:20:31
Speaker
Still an absolute snack though. Sure. But he's a terrible GM. Drop the skincare routine and, you know, retire also. ah Steve Iserman, I am your lawyer and I'm advising you to keep doing this terrible GMing.
01:20:46
Speaker
Keep doing that shit. Actually, yes. Steve Iserman. 1,000 Reich. Everyone, we need to hype up Steve Iserman. We should stomp ah you know stop this like, oh, maybe he's actually a bad GM. Like, no, no, no. It was actually a fantastic decision and to sign Dylan Larkin to an eight-year contract and give him a full no-movement clause, knowing that he has doubts about the direction of the team.
01:21:12
Speaker
Excellent, excellent choice. Tianto Leafs keep consulting epic bacon grok for all of your player personnel decisions. This is going great. Beata, this needs to be your new bit. We all need to collectively start... Yeah, yeah, I'm thinking this now. You need to start being like, oh, these are genius moves by Steve Iserman. I actually love Justin... I love i love the Justin Falk trade. For years, I'm um being the one person saying Steve Iserman is bad, actually. and Now that the people are waking up to it, I have to turn around and be like, no, no, no, Red Wings fans are right. Sky's a genius. Yeah. Oh, my God. They have JT Comfort for two years after this?
01:21:49
Speaker
y are in master class when i pastd When I post Ben Chirot cap friendly, I'm inviting you to look at how good his contract is and what a steal it is for Detroit. Ben Chirot cap friendly brackets complimentary. David Perron, he could still surprise you.
01:22:07
Speaker
still got some gas in the tank we we hated giving him up for fast skater warren fogel uh is it time to go in on our fellow sense fans now oh absolutely fine with uh how about this Real sense fans sit in
Authenticity of Fandom
01:22:31
Speaker
the 300s. Fuck the 100s. Fuck the season ticket holders. I couldn't give a fuck about you. I don't care how much a beer costs. why do you Why are you trying to get drunk at a hockey game?
01:22:40
Speaker
um have my reason. I would rather sit in the than the Those are my those are my people. if you're in the I don't know you.
01:22:52
Speaker
also the two hundred section is the best place to view the game physically, in my opinion. i was going to say that's my favorite. But the book is out. It's like you might have like the price is basically the same as the 100 section. Like it's such like it's it's way too expensive. And each section only has like six seats in it as well.
01:23:14
Speaker
But yeah, every time I've sat in the 200s, like this is livid, baby. Yeah, I agree. 200s are best, but I always sit in the because it's cheaper. yeah. And that's where the real fans are.
01:23:26
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. When I was a student, you know, paying my ah paying 50 bucks for a sense ticket that could have gone to my rent. you know, that was i was that I was living high on the hog in the three hundred s baby, like I'm a bigger Sens fan than most people in the 100s because I was spending 100%, actually more than 100% of my disposable income at the time to go watch the Sens. Yeah, same.
01:23:56
Speaker
Also, I've never seen someone showing their cell phone to another adult man saying, isn't my daughter quite the looker but like in the 300 section or in any other section of anything in my entire life?
01:24:11
Speaker
We need to shut down the 100s until we can figure out what's going on. Yeah, I agree. And also, what's up with that concession stand service to your seat? That's weird. I don't like that. You get up and you get your own damn chicken tendies.
01:24:29
Speaker
Save that for Club Bell. I don't know if I believe this one, but I feel like i want to get some extra spicy takes up. Okay. Okay.
01:24:41
Speaker
Linden Slewidge washed? oof No, I disagree. Is Linden Slewidge a cab? but Well, not anymore.
Senators Game Day Personalities
01:24:51
Speaker
because he Well, he is retired.
01:24:53
Speaker
ACAB includes blended sluige. Oh, that, oh, okay. that think That might be it. Yeah. ACAB includes blended sluige. So he's retired. So now he's hired as a consultant to get to show people how to get out of their DUIs. Like, I don't know. Allegedly, I don't know what he's up to. He hasn't been doing the anthem for a really long time.
01:25:13
Speaker
That's the first one I've said where I'm like, oh, don't know if i can get that one in. the The blowback could be too, could be too hard. It's a take purge people. You can't get mad at us for this. Yeah.
01:25:23
Speaker
The real Sen's anthem singer is Alanis Aloysius Morissette, the Queen of Ottawa. And I won't be listening to any ah new suggestions. Thank you.
01:25:37
Speaker
I liked it when they had the mullet man sing the anthem. I don't know if that guy is a good person or anything. I don't know anything about him, but I liked they had a local Franco-Ontarian talent ah who just like got famous from being in the stands and cheering for the team. Hair. i'm seeing the anthem that's yeah i'm Singer and hair haver If the Maple Leafs can give fucking Dart Guy a radio show, like, what we should pass so we should be able to at least have Mullet Man, like, perform a couple musical numbers at the CTC.
01:26:14
Speaker
And he has. he's He's been the entertainment, like, the Intermission Entertainment a few times. Perfect. I love that for him and also us. Yeah, and he was on the brigade once and seemed cool, so I feel like he's one of ours. Shout out.
01:26:28
Speaker
Until further notice, we bang with mullet guy. Mullet man. Excuse me. Mullet person. Does anyone have any takes left to purge? I know on this podcast we stick with ah Ottawa Senators and not um necessarily Ottawa Charge, but Emily Clark was not good in Ottawa.
01:26:47
Speaker
And it's fine that she's leaving. My heart, my mighty heart is broken. I love her as a person. i Would have loved to see her figure it out here, but she did not play well.
01:26:59
Speaker
And I think that it is far more feminist to criticize women's hockey players for being kind of bad than to pretend that they were good just because we like them as people. Because we need to take the PWHL seriously as a league. She's... she I like being called in in this respect. I will say that she will remain the mic'd up goat. ah So... like Nothing wrong with having an emotional support player that's kind of bad.
01:27:31
Speaker
I'm just saying, from a hockey perspective, she wasn't giving us much. Maybe the mic'd
01:27:39
Speaker
a torch will be passed to its ah obvious heiress apparent talking about Gwen Phillips obviously course if gorging with Gwen is any indication of her lovable ness and PR skills it's that see that's a player who I love and who is really good which is perfect I will agree there.
01:28:06
Speaker
Also, shout out to Fanuza being protected. ah The charge have been getting my letters and emails about that. It took a little long for them to get there with it, but ah we welcome you back next year.
01:28:19
Speaker
Queen Fanuza. Speaking of Hare Havers, I have a quick one. I realized I had one left. Josh Norris could straight up outperform Dylan Cousins at some point, and I will still think that was a great and brilliant move to trade him for Dylon Cousins.
01:28:38
Speaker
Dylon has already played twice as many games for your Ottawa Senators than Josh Norris has for the Buffalo Sabres. Because that's the thing, I miss healthy Josh Norris. I long for the player that healthy Josh Norris could have turned into. Unfortunately, healthy Josh Norris does not exist anymore. Yeah, who is she? in Like, I don't remember her at all. I remember...
01:29:03
Speaker
anxiety Josh Norris where if like pulling off the healthy Josh Norris mask and it's just anxiety Josh Norris under there like oh good he's taking another face off that's a thing that centers will regularly have to do for their career isn't it like even if even if Josh is a better player technically than Dylon ah I don't care.
01:29:32
Speaker
And also, 28 goals this season, that was great. I also kind of think that Josh Norris, like, what was it, 35 goals that he had one season?
01:29:43
Speaker
i think that's a bit of an anomaly. I mean, it' certainly it certainly looks anomalous if you look at his ah year-by-year stats. It looks like the very definition of an ah of an anomaly. I think if he had stayed healthy, he would have been able to keep that up.
01:29:58
Speaker
Again, though. it bla See, that's the thing. Yeah, he wasn't going to stay healthy, so. I think it's like a Joshua Norris, thank you for your service of scoring 35 goals one time. So that was like the biggest asset going into the trade market. It's like, this guy has the capacity to score 35 goals. It's healthy. ah Josh Norris, get well, get well soon. We want you to get well. We wish you a merry, healthy...
01:30:26
Speaker
body, but I don't know if that's going to happen. I'd rather the, you know, white horse from work guy, ah who actually played an entire season, 82 games. Congratulations.
01:30:44
Speaker
I think that's actually kind of rare error. I'm going to do a quick number crunch here. Only three players played an 82 game season. Old man Giroux, ah human being Fabian Zetterlund and Dylon Cousins.
01:31:00
Speaker
Oh, I thought Zoob got 82.
01:31:04
Speaker
A lot of players sat the last two games of the season because they had already clinched.
01:31:11
Speaker
I just remember Zoob... I actually don't know why those other players didn't sit out those games, but whatever. Oh my god, i have a good one I just thought of just now. but And by a good one, I mean bad one that no one's good at.
01:31:23
Speaker
Okay. Can we shut the fuck up about Fabian Zetterlin's contract being bad? It's not that much. Like, it's like is it more than he's... Like, they talk about it like it's like an eight by eight no move clause contract. Like, guy makes like $4 million dollars or something. Like, who cares?
01:31:43
Speaker
Yeah, the cap's going up. It's fine. He also can kind of play up and down the lineup. He's sort of like a poor man's great are Ridley I still think he could become good one day.
01:31:57
Speaker
I have hope. Yeah, he I think I'm kind of with you in the, like, if he got, for God forbid, like, a extended look in the top six, like, he wouldn't die up there. Like, it's fine.
01:32:13
Speaker
I just found that that really that stink really hung around. Like, what did we trade for him? Like... Zach Ostapchuk. Like, okay.
01:32:23
Speaker
You know, like, we got one with an untwistable stomach now in, uh, what is that guy's name? Big Red. oh Like, that's a, that's an extremely, like, Zach Ostapchuk, good player, extreme, like, uh, like that dude that we traded to the Boston Bruins who I can't even remember the name of anymore.
01:32:47
Speaker
ah The giant guy. Mark Kastelik? Mark Kastelik. these are These are replaceable players. like And maybe one day ah Fabian Zetterlund will also be replaced. But like I'm not losing any sleep over that. like that That sort of hand wringing over that trade I think is stupid.
01:33:11
Speaker
Especially considering how good the SENS' depth was, i think it's weird to get all worried about how the depth players are performing and their contracts and stuff. It's like... The SENS were good,
01:33:25
Speaker
so Yeah, no, and like never before have we been, it shows you like it' to to what you're saying, like that it shows you the riches that we have these days, whereas like we're bemoaning the performance of a 17 goal scorer, like this guy's approaching 20 goals as a like middle, six, sometimes bottom line player where if we had got him like five years ago, we would be pinning all our hopes and dreams to him. like The fact that he's an afterthought really shows you like this team's a lot better than it used to be.
01:34:03
Speaker
and i'll save this for fabian zetterland he's his shooting talent slash percentages have actually been pretty good like he might just have to shoot more like he if he wants to get back to almost 25 goals or whatever i think he might be able to do that if he just takes a hundred shots or a hundred hundred more shots a season like that that might be all it takes for fabian zetterland just rip and And if he inspires Tim Stutzler to take more shots, then, you know, symbiosis.
01:34:37
Speaker
Yeah, actually, okay, now when we're talking about players that people complain about, I want to say people need to be nicer to Thomas
Defense Strategy and Fan Criticism
01:34:45
Speaker
Chabot. This guy is good. He has not been a defensive liability in years. He is a fantastic possession player. The team sucks every time he gets injured.
01:34:56
Speaker
Shut up about Thomas Chabot being as good as James Sanderson. I don't care. The Sens need him. We need to keep him. 100% agree. Absolutely. I know this is the right crowd for it, but some of the listeners might need to hear this. The people who were like, oh, we have Sanderson now. That means we can get rid of Shabbat. Like that never made sense to me.
01:35:14
Speaker
I was like, what so stupid what if we kept them both? In fact, Thomas Shabbat, even better in a more limited role now that he doesn't have to carry the team like Atlas. He's literally been so good since Sanderson showed up in the and NHL. And people just like look at him and go, oh, well, Sanderson's better, so I guess we don't need Shabot anymore. It's so stupid.
01:35:36
Speaker
Yeah, I agree. It's like, what if we had two good goalies? like Like, oh, Allmark needs like a competent backup. Why is that bad? thing like Yeah, like, let's have an extremely strong left side on defense that and not have, sanders like, can Sanderson do everything? Yes. But, like, i think that, yeah, to what you're saying, like, Shabbat is, like, doing what he was put on earth to do now, which is probably be more of a second pairing.
01:36:08
Speaker
Very good defenseman, not the only good defenseman on the team for years, which sullied his reputation, I think, among fans. I know, we have a defenseman who could potentially be a first pairing defenseman playing on our second pairing. How sad. What are we going to do about this? We'll just have to deal with it. It's such poverty Melnick mindset to get one extra good defenseman and being like, good, now we can trade the other one.
01:36:39
Speaker
like we made the We almost made the cup finals with just Eric Carlson, so that means we have to do it that way every time. That's kind of my point to go back to the Fabian Zetterland thing. like It ain't tricking if you got It's like four million bucks for this kind of like utility player.
01:36:55
Speaker
Ain't my money. like that's not That's not crushing us against the cap. That's Meldick poverty mindset still like ah prevalent in the in the fan base. And to go back to my other point, don't listen to us. We're stupid. We're fans. We don't know what we're talking about. Thanks for listening.
01:37:11
Speaker
No, listen to us on this one thing. Thomas Schabbat good. Yeah. Well, open up your heart, folks. He is good. And he's funny too. For a guy that could hardly speak English when he's when he was drafted, that guy is hilarious in any of the like off-ice video stuff that he does. He's a rascal.
01:37:31
Speaker
Yeah. People just hate him so much for no reason. It's so stupid. Yeah, he would be sort- like, consider how much you weirdos miss Dylan DeMello to this day. Like, you'd think you wouldn't miss Thomas Chabot if he disappeared back to his home planet of like, I don't know, some French saint that I can't remember the name of. Ville, Quebec. Like, where I don't know where he's from, but... He's he's from Bose, which is the same place that Marie-Philippe Pouiné is from. That's how I remember it.
01:38:03
Speaker
Okay, so Pocky Factory. We love you. We were rude to you for a few years. We're putting our full support behind you.
01:38:14
Speaker
um Good luck with your experimental adamantium bone coating surgery that you're having this year. God, the guy has like years of wrist injuries and then is rewarded with breaking his arm right before the playoffs.
01:38:31
Speaker
So as the philosopher Biggie Smalls once said, I squeeze gats till my clips is empty and my clips are empty. ah How are your clips looking?
01:38:44
Speaker
no one No one needs to hear more from me on any of this stuff.
01:38:51
Speaker
I have one more clip, but it might be too much. I don't know. Close down the take, Burge, with one last take. One last take. This one I kind of said on my own podcast, Elite Suns Brain, but I'm going to go even further there.
01:39:06
Speaker
um And it's not sense-related, but it
Critique of Hockey Culture Representation
01:39:09
Speaker
needs to be said. ah Heated Rivalry is one of the worst books I've ever read in my life. And the thing is, whenever you say this online, people will go, oh but the sequels are so much better i read role model read the long game and those are even worse in fact i think people are not ready for how bad the discourse is going to be about heated rivalry season two because those books are really bad and do not have anything interesting to say about hockey culture and are going to make the discourse about hockey culture worse because of how badly they handle those issues
01:39:41
Speaker
and I know you guys haven't read these books, so you can't contradict this, but this is objectively true. I did see the television program and i think that it suffered from the same thing that happens to everything now where I try to see things really fast if they're hyped up. My go-to example of this was the movie Inception. I remember like, yeah, there's this new weird movie. And was like, okay, I'll see it. And then I saw it right away and I was like, yeah, that was fun. Okay.
01:40:15
Speaker
And then a few months later, it was like, this movie is important or like this movie is the worst movie ever made or like Barbie was kind of like that like they were like ascribing too much to this friggin movie I think Heated Rivalry kind of like got too much discourse where it's like yeah it's just like a bunch of kids in costumes like it is fun think it was really cool that one of the main characters was from our nation's capital and i think season two seems to be pointing to it taking place there i don't know no spoilers yes and that's that's the one good thing about the show and the books i think that's fun when uh
01:41:00
Speaker
they go to the Ottawa airport in the show. They are clearly not there, which was hilarious to me where I'm like, I don't think, like, you could have you could have shot that on location, I think, for pretty cheap. I'll make two phone calls and help you guys out for season two. But, yeah, it's just fun. If the next season is, like, terrible, like, I am not going to be shocked in any kind of way. I don't think those actors are going to go move on to do very much after and will enjoy their like quick show that everyone talked about for five seconds. But well, specifically, I'm warning people that the later books have such an offensive way of talking about hockey culture and have such bad takes on hockey culture that like if the show isn't all accurate to how things go in the books,
01:41:51
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like strapping guys. no No disrespect, I can't read, i haven't read Proust yet. Like i I can't read those books, like come on. I watched the show in like one sitting and was like, yeah, it was fine.
01:42:03
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There was lots of fucking and sucking in the first five minutes. It was crazy. Like I've never seen anything like this before.
Beata's Podcast Promotions
01:42:13
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Beata, where can the good listeners find you?
01:42:17
Speaker
Now, first of all, if you enjoyed listening to my voice and you didn't find me annoying, you can listen to my podcast, which is Elite Sends Brain, and you can also find Elite Sends Brain at that handle um on Twitter or Blue Sky. i am also on Twitter and Blue Sky. My username is...
01:42:36
Speaker
It's C and then Beata, B-E-A-T-A and then E. um And I also write for Silver7Sens.com so you can read my writing. Oh gee! Wow!
01:42:46
Speaker
That rules. Elite Sends Brain, the only other good sense podcast. I'm so honored. And shout out to your bravery of being on Twitter.x, the everything website where you can see the worst things that human beings and robots have to offer. So thank you for fighting the good fight on that front.
01:43:11
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Is there anyone any of you would like to thank or shout out before we close the bar? I'd like to thank Beata for joining us and gracing us some ah with some purge-worthy takes and also some good takes. and I'm not going to tell you which ones. We're not going to hold those against you. i would also like to thank you, Beata. And above all, I would like to thank my goddamn self for being here today.
01:43:38
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i had a lot of other stuff going on, probably. Just kidding. folks i'm closing down the bar thank you james thank you viata thank you varada for leaving a voice message well i i think we're planning to get varada on the next episode so stay tuned for that and yeah we'll let you know when the synagogue lounge is open again and otherwise see you soon and take it easy
01:45:21
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So long.
01:46:15
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And now so long.
01:47:30
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Been down so long, oh yeah. Been down so long, been down so long.
01:48:19
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Been down so long Been down so long