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Project Blue Beam 2: Holographic Boogaloo
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Heartened by the discovery that Project Blue Beam - a conspiracy theory from the 90s about NASA using holograms and mind control to take over the world - is still alive and kicking in 2026, we go Back to the Conspiracy and revisit our old material from 2015, with updates for current developments. Turns out drones are the new holograms.
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Introduction & Project Bluebeam Overview
00:00:00
Speaker
Holograms. Here at the Podcaster's Guide to the Conspiracy, we aren't normally interested in holograms unless they're preceded by the words Jim and the. But for the second time, hold on, isn't this a previously on?
00:00:11
Speaker
Time, Josh, is an illusion. Podcast time, doubly so. Okay, this one's for making an exception. Because it turns out that sometime in the mid-1980s, around the time that Jim and the Holograms aired, NASA was plotting nothing less than total world domination.
00:00:26
Speaker
the name of this scheme was Project Bluebeam, and it would have meant the end of all that we hold dear if it had actually happened. Where Jerrica Benton used holograms as a force for good, strutting her stuff as a luminally enhanced rock star, NASA supposedly planned to use them. That's holograms, not GM and her bandmates. Yes, NASA planned to use them as a tool to impersonate a global divinity, enslave the population, and usher in our good friend the New World Order. And that's the Illuminati-affiliated group, not the band of a similar name.
00:00:55
Speaker
So, let's take a look at an alternative future so bright we'd have had to have worn shades as we delve into the mysteries of the hologrammatic holocaust that was, will be, or would have been Project Bluebeam. Along the way, we'll act science-fictional and possibly detour into the current state of hologrammatic entertainment as we admit that neither of us actually watched the Gem in the Holograms reboot that came out a decade ago. Ten years, my, but is time passed us by? And not pleasantly. Not pleasantly at all.
Hosts' Personal Touch
00:01:23
Speaker
But enough about how the sands of time have punished us for our many sins, because it's showtime, synergy! You know, i prefer the Misfits. Their songs are better.
00:01:34
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You son of a bitch.
00:01:43
Speaker
The Podcaster's Guide to the Conspiracy, brought to you today by Josh Edison and Ian Denteth.
00:02:04
Speaker
Hello and welcome to the Podcaster's Guide to the Conspiracy. Chilling in Auckland, New Zealand, i am Josh Addison and sweltering in Guangzhou, China, they are Dr. M.R. X. Denteth.
00:02:15
Speaker
Hello! that's that that That's differing hemispheres for you. Yeah, so it's 28.5 degrees Celsius in the room I'm recording in. It is 32 degrees Celsius outside. We have the air conditioning on in the living room, which is struggling to get the temperature of the apartment down to a about 26 degrees. So things are hot, but luckily not humid. The one thing the air conditioning unit is doing is stripping the moisture from the air.
00:02:53
Speaker
So I'm hot, but I'm not sweatily hot. And I'm sure all of the listeners of the podcast's Guide to the Conspiracy really needed to know that. Yes, no, i think that I think that's important. I think they'll be comforted knowing that it's it's not a sweaty it's not a sweety heat that's coming through in your voice. It's merely nearly dry, parched dehydration.
00:03:16
Speaker
Yes, the kind of thing that will preserve me should I die during the recording of this podcast due to heat stroke. Oh, well, let's let's see if that happens. I guess you we should get into it quickly then before you expire from from some combination of dehydration and or bursting into flames.
00:03:34
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That seems like a great idea. Let's go back to the past and talk about the future.
Project Bluebeam Resurgence
00:03:41
Speaker
Buckle up. We're going back to the conspiracy.
00:03:49
Speaker
Yes, so as that as that cunningly repurposed intro from our episode of of more than 10 years ago said, we're going to be talking about Project Blue Bean. Because as you recall last week when we were looking to see if there were any new conspiracy theories out there, we didn't really find any, did we? There are a couple, there are one or two I think.
00:04:09
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i hadn't heard But a lot of what we saw was simply rehashed theories we've talked about on this podcast in the past. But the one which tickled our fancy, largely because we knew the name but had forgotten the content thereof, was Plojek? Plojek Bluebeam. Project Bluebeam.
00:04:31
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project blue beam Project Bluebeam. Bluebeam. Project Bluebeam. should say you are in China, mixing up your L's and R's could be seen as some sort of racist pastiche. So so take take take note of that.
00:04:45
Speaker
Yes, yes, precisely. But you're right. But you're right. Yeah, someone actually mentioned in this, the year of our Lord 2026, Project Bluebeam. And we talked about in episode in May 2015. And even when we were talking about it in 2015, we were kind 10 years, actually 20 years beyond when it was actually particularly popular.
00:05:05
Speaker
ten years actually twenty years beyond when it was actually particularly popular So yeah we talked about it late, and now we're talking about it even later.
00:05:16
Speaker
Because the thing is, we thought, oh, yeah it was funny seeing the name come up in a list of conspiracy theories that was fairly recent, but it turns out it never really went away. It's still kicking.
Serge Monast & Project Bluebeam's Origin
00:05:28
Speaker
But maybe we'll leave the the current state of it for a little bit later on and just talk about the stuff that we talked about 11 years ago, really. So tell me, what is slash was Project Bluebeam?
00:05:40
Speaker
Well, Josh, it's a four-pronged thesis, and explaining exactly how it works is complicated. So let's talk about the person who discovered or originated Project Bluebeam first, because the work that we know of as Project Bluebeam And I'm now suddenly aware that every time I'm trying to say the name of this particular project, that I really want to say Ploject. And I don't know why, but it's really, really tempting to go back and talk about Ploject Bluebeam.
00:06:14
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So the person who originated or discovered, and I think this is an important distinction we'll talk about later on the episode was a canadian specifically quebecois journalist by the name of serge monash and is mona no monest monest yes i don't know it's french so you can probably just drop off a couple of a couple of consonants yeah that was what i was thinking because it also could be serge monash yeah precisely
00:06:45
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yeah precisely And, of course, you get to the difficulties of French pronunciation versus Quebecois pronunciation are, of course, quite different, as I've discovered by meeting French people who make fun of Quebecois people in China. But that is another matter which will not come up at another time.
00:07:05
Speaker
Anyway, Sergei... is mostly known to the world for his work on project blue beam a nasa led conspiracy and associated other conspiracy theories such as work on masonic conspiracy theories and new world order conspiracy theories for the pop culture minded person He is assumed or taken to be the the model for the character Mel Gibson played in the 1997 film Conspiracy Theory.
00:07:42
Speaker
Yes, that's the that's a claim. I don't know how much truth there is to the claim, but people have... um have have made a connection between the two because, yeah, Conspiracy Theory came out in 1997. This guy's book, Project Blue Bean, was first presented in 1994. So, I mean, they're of the same time. but so So he wrote this book and, in fact, the the um the text of the book is available on the Internet Archive and I had a quick flip through it and it um it seems to be sort of a collection of articles that he had written and sort of had published in various... various, various publications.
00:08:19
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So there was a bit of sort of restatement of the same old thing. but um where he sets this all out, he he he published a book in 1994, claimed that this stuff, some of the stuff he was going to talk about...
00:08:32
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already happened in 1983 some of it was it was meant to happen in 1983 it was then delayed so by the time that he is writing about project blue beam in 1994
00:08:47
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The implementation of Project Bluebeam has been delayed by 11 years, but Sergei claims it's going to be implemented in 1995. It gets further delayed till 1996, and then Sergei thought that it would actually be brought to fruition by the year 2000, but he failed to ever live to see it occur because he dies before the year 2000.
Steps of Project Bluebeam Explained
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Yes, he does. Now, while while I did have a quick flip through the book, I did notice right at the start, but but before it it actually gets into the text of the stuff that he had, it has a bunch of notes by whoever compiled this book about how he and and another journalist who was never actually named...
00:09:39
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Him and this this other journalist both died of heart attacks in 1996, along with supposedly. apart. Weeks apart, supposedly. And then this other journalist was apparently looking into these claims as well or something, I don't know. are sort of claims that although they were both in good health and had no history of heart conditions and so on and so forth, that they had in fact been assassinated, also claims that the Canadian government had kidnapped Mr Monast's daughter to try to stop him from investigating Project Blooming, which there seemed there there seemed to be a a bit a bit about. i think I think if you were to look into the life of this guy, there was some stuff going on because it seemed to be to do with the fact that he wanted to homeschool his children And when he talks about them being kidnapped from the government, it kind of sounds like the government took his kids away from him because he was teaching them crazy stuff. But that's that's that's a little bit of sort of speculation, educated guessing on my part there. But nevertheless, the claim is made.
00:10:36
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that that he and this mysterious unnamed journalist were both assassinated by the government to stop this from getting out. And what were they trying to stop from getting out? Well, let's summarise the project in its four steps. Because Project BlueBAM, which was meant to be run or is being run by NASA, has four particular steps.
00:10:58
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Step one, cause the breakdown of all archaeological knowledge by faking earthquakes, which can then reveal new archaeological discoveries that explain to all people the era of all fundamental religious doctrines.
00:11:14
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Yeah, I want to say this this one is interesting because when you read through it, the implication is that that the author takes it that current archaeological evidence proves that Christianity is true.
00:11:28
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And so he's saying what's going to happen is they're going to have these sort of fake earthquakes with their presumably Harper Ray earthquake machine type things, which is going to unearth the stuff that that then proves that that all of Christianity is false, which is an interesting interesting position to start from.
00:11:45
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Yes, and doesn't really understand much about the archaeological record, given that certainly there are elements of the archaeological record which support certain contentions in Christian history, although admittedly not contentions about the Messiah of Christianity.
00:12:06
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But a lot of the archaeological record also supports the contentions of a lot of other non-Christian cultures. Yes, I don't know what these archaeological discoveries would have been. Would it be like they they they uncover a UFO with Jesus' corpse and sitting inside it or something? I don't know. But whatever it was going to be would supposedly be enough to to shake the convictions of of all religious people, of all religions all around the world. Including the Pope.
00:12:35
Speaker
Mm-hmm. But yes, that's phase one, as you say. Yeah, that's phase one. The second step is to put on a gigantic space show wherein three-dimensional holographic laser projections will be beamed all over the Earth, and these projections will take on the shape of whatever deity is most predominant in the region that can see it, and these...
00:12:59
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Projections will speak in all languages, and at the very end of the space show, all of these deities will merge into one god, the Antichrist, which, in conjunction with Soviet mind-controlled technology, will also cause the breakdown of social and religious beliefs.
00:13:19
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order. So I'm assuming this is look, some people are not going to their faith shaken by new archaeological discoveries. So we'll put on a light show for those particular people.
00:13:32
Speaker
Yes, I guess the the archaeological archaeological stuff was was to soften people up, perhaps. And then, yes, so here comes this this this magical hologram light show where everybody in the world sees their a deities. I don't know what the atheists see, but anyway. yeah all all the All these deities speak directly to their people and then at the end of it say, ha-ha, psych, I was actually this other... All of us were actually this this other deity the entire time. We're your real god.
00:14:01
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PSI the Antichrist. Yeah. I was going to make a joke for the atheist, it'll be Richard Dawkins, but Richard Dawkins turning into the and Antichrist actually might be a positive career move for him at this stage.
00:14:15
Speaker
Not very persuasive either. Giant hologramatic Richard Dawkins? I know. I mean, well, that would shake my faith in a lot of different ways. That's true. yep Yep. No, that's true.
00:14:27
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Now, step three. is to use extreme, low-frequency radio waves to project voices into people's heads so they think that God is talking to them.
00:14:40
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So, you might not find archaeological evidence to be persuasive, maybe you won't even believe the lights in the sky, but once you start hearing God, or in this case the Antichrist, talking directly to you, then your faith is going to be shaken.
00:14:57
Speaker
Okay, so it looks like they'rere they're sort of ramping things up. I hesitate to ask, what is stage four?
Project Bluebeam vs. Science Fiction
00:15:04
Speaker
Well, stage four is the culmination of the plan because stage four is the faking of both alien invasions and and the rapture, along with other supernatural shenanigans, which will cause so much chaos on Earth that people will accept the New World Order as the governmental structure for the control of humanity for the rest of time.
00:15:29
Speaker
Right, kind of sounds like the... um the plot at the end of Watchmen, but with extra steps. and and and And fewer giant squids. Fewer giant squids, yes. But I don't know, maybe maybe maybe a giant squid was going to be among these alien invasions that were going to get everybody to to to throw their hands in the air and say, oh, the world isn't too much of a mess. Please come and save us, New World Order, who was also the Antichrist, who who we now accept as the true divinity or something.
00:15:58
Speaker
Yes, something like that. At all, I have to say, it all sounds a little bit science fiction. It does ever so slightly seem like a plot of a science fiction show you may have watched in the late 80s or early 90s. Our notes from 2015 point out that a lot of this sounds like the plot of the 1991 Star Trek episode Devil's Jew.
00:16:25
Speaker
And it's kind of interesting because not long before Sergei gave his first presentation on Project Bluebeam, a book about Gene Roddenberry, the creator of Star Trek, the original series, and the kind of creative mind behind the first few seasons of Star Trek The Next Generation, included a book was released which included Roddenberry's original ideas for this particular story.
00:16:53
Speaker
And so it does seem a little David Aiki here in that Sergei seems to be following some pop culture trends here and then going, oh, this is a revelation of what they want to do.
00:17:08
Speaker
So that's that's the gist of it then. That's that's the four-part plan. We're going to use holograms and also mind control technology to fake some sort of alien incursion, some sort of divine revelation, some sort of world world-shattering event so that this new world order can swoop in and and and take control. Now,
00:17:30
Speaker
i said i found looking up notes for this episode to see what new information is out there that the the full text of Project Bluebeam is is out there. You can find it on the Internet Archive. I didn't bother to read the whole thing, but but you did?
00:17:45
Speaker
I unfortunately did sit down and read all of it. It's very, it is very repetitive. So you can end up going, I've read that bit before. I've read that bit before. So actually, not a hard read. It's just a complete waste of your time read.
00:18:02
Speaker
Yes. Yes. As I say, from my flip through, it seemed like a bunch of articles that presumably were on the same topic that he'd published in different places, but, And in a few cases, the replication of articles he didn't write, which he took to be evidence for his particular thesis. So it's not all of his own work. Some of it is, here's an article I found in the Washington Post which supports one of my contentions. I'll reprint it here.
00:18:28
Speaker
So, I mean, is there anything interesting above and beyond the the four-step program? So the thing to note about his argument is it's one very big slippery slope in that it's a lot of, if this could occur, then as a consequence, this thing might occur.
00:18:48
Speaker
So there's a lot of discussion of, well, if we have the technology to put on a big space show, then the consequence of that show might be this particular thing here. So I was spending time going...
00:19:03
Speaker
But if we're if we're following the so the slippery slope here, these things which don't even seem vaguely likely at the beginning seem incredibly unlikely towards the end. So as an argument, it's not particularly convincing unless you already believe the conclusion.
Technology Trends Reflecting Project Bluebeam
00:19:23
Speaker
The conclusion being that the kind of technology he's talking about does exist,
00:19:29
Speaker
And there is an intention by people involved in the New Age movement to use it to eradicate Christianity and bring in a new world order. And there's a kind of oddness to this. I was trying to work out why did we talk about this back in 2015?
00:19:49
Speaker
There's nothing in the notes which explains why we were were inspired to talk about it. But I know why we're talking about it now. And is that, because well, okay, actually, maybe maybe take a slight step back.
00:20:01
Speaker
I'm assuming it's about technology, because the the the the original thing leaned hard into the holograms aspect of it all, because holograms were quite cool in the ninety s and And there were some interesting advances of it of them in the early 2000s. They're not such a big deal. When was the last time you heard anything hologrammy recently? You know, they they used to, there was... I mean, the last thing I remember as being notable was, was it Ye made a hologram of Kim Kardashian's dad for her birthday party? And I'm fairly sure that was five or ten years ago.
00:20:38
Speaker
Yeah, there was something like that. I remember that in in like election coverage or something in the States, they had their quote-unquote holograms of of sort of people on the ground in certain locations appearing as as what was supposedly a hologram in studio.
00:20:52
Speaker
um at the time when we first when we wrote about this in 2015, there was the whole hologrammatic Tupac Shakur, which again wasn't a hologram, was the whole Culpeper's ghost projecting onto a piece of glass thing.
00:21:04
Speaker
and And there'd also been Hatsune Miku, the Japanese CGI pop star who did concerts as a sort of a hologram thing.
00:21:15
Speaker
But tom less less of a less of a thing these days. What is more of a thing these days, of course, is drones. And we've seen those those big fancy drone light show things they put on where you get ah a coordinated array of drones all flying around in in unison, making different patterns and stuff in the sky.
00:21:33
Speaker
I mean our apartment here in Guangzhou is right beside the Olympic Stadium. And for Western New Year, so the beginning, with the it evening the end well, in New Zealand time, the beginning of this year, China time, the end of last year, there was a very spectacular drone display going on above the...
00:21:56
Speaker
sta stadium and the really complex three-dimensional images they were able to present and then get them to kind of transform in real time was really quite spectacular so yeah drones are doing some remarkable stuff however i wouldn't be mistaking those things for godheads No, no.
00:22:16
Speaker
ah But then, of course, the big the big news in technology for the past few years, of course, has been ai and in latin Yes, it has. So that that that comes into his writing a bit as well, does it?
00:22:30
Speaker
Well, yes, so there are there's actually a number of factors as to why I think we're talking about it now. and By we, I mean both on the podcast and why people online are chattering about Project Bluebeam.
Conspiracy Theories & Scientist Deaths
00:22:43
Speaker
The first is that... As we talked about in a previous episode, there's a conspiracy theory going on, particularly in the US, that a lot ah of, and i'm putting in quotes here, top scientists have either gone missing or died recently. And people are asking to connect the dots between people with high-ranking security clearances and disappearances or deaths, as we talked about in that previous episode.
00:23:11
Speaker
This actually might not be the issue it appears to be, in part because yes there have been a number of scientists who have died or gone missing recently, but we just don't know how anomalous those disappearances or deaths are compared to scientists dying or disappearing generally over time anyway. So people are focusing on, all these scientists disappeared or died. Ipso facto, there must be some kind of plot. And our question was, yes, but is that anomalous? Is that an unusually low or high number of scientists die or go missing? What's the base rate?
00:23:48
Speaker
of scientists in the US dying or going missing. Without that data, you really can't make any particular claim. But a lot of the Reddit threads which are talking about Project Bluebeam are kind of predicated on, oh, part of the Project Bluebeam playbook is is that NASA is having to cover up what it's about to do. So it was eliminating scientists back in the 90s and early 2000s. Now we're seeing the same thing. That must mean Project Blue Beam is about to come online. And this is then linked to people going, and look, people laughed at Sergey with his claims back those days, but people also laughed at the idea of there being elite pedophile rings operating at the highest echelons of Western society.
00:24:41
Speaker
And it turns out there really were. So his laughable hypothesis back in the ninety s actually might not, probably should not have been laughed at at the time because, well, I mean, we laughed at other things and they turned out to be true. And then as you pointed out, the third thing is that part of the plot to get people to give up on religion and join the New World or new world Order comes out of Sergei's discussion of the idea that the conspiracy is centered on creating artificial thought and artificial communication.
00:25:26
Speaker
And we now live in the era of the LLM, And when Sergey's talking about what NASA is going to do, he's talking about NASA stealing people's private information to then generate intelligences that will then replace the ability of people to think because they will defer to those intelligences instead. And lo and behold, what are we seeing in the age of LLM but companies doing exactly the same thing? Yes. so
00:26:03
Speaker
it seems that our project Bluebeam has sort of just been just been bubbling along in the background this whole time. And current developments in in technology and also sort of world events have had people saying, hey, hey, look, look, this is it. This is is more more evidence of of all this stuff going on.
00:26:23
Speaker
so I... when When I was having a look to see, okay, we're we're going to we we're we're going to revisit the idea of Project Bluebeam. What what is there to say that's new? apart you know Dug out our ill note our old notes from 11 years ago and then, okay, well let's let's have a look. Let's see what's going on today. And I was i was quite surprised. Just a simple a simple search for Project Bluebeam showed up a bunch of articles, like recent articles from this year. I think we even found one from this month of what people are saying. about Project Bluebeam.
00:26:56
Speaker
So there have been things such as the one from this month was relating to that late the the latest release from the Pentagon of their sort of UFO information, which I i know we've mentioned. i don't know that we went to any great detail because I don't think there was really a lot there. It was just ah a bunch more of here's a weird thing some pilots saw that we weren't quite sure what it was, but certainly wasn't alien autopsies and and pictures of government officials taking shaking hands with little green men. But nevertheless, this release was got people talking about Project Blue Beam. According to this article, following the UFO files release, some social media users speculated that the disclosures were connected to it and meant to distract the public from other issues, including the Epstein files and tensions involving Iran, which is another...
00:27:45
Speaker
another another branch to the conspiracy theories as well. Even even if you don't think it's genuine, it's they're still doing it. They're still putting it out there to um distract us from the other real things that they're doing.
00:27:57
Speaker
But... um Yes, they they whoever wrote this article had done a quick so quick a quick survey of social medias. They found one person on Facebook writing, Project Bluebeam coming? What you all think?
00:28:10
Speaker
Someone on X slash Twitter said of all this TLDR, Project Bluebeam, since you're not buying the half-assed effort for Hunter virus. So again, which we haven't even mentioned at all, but the latest... And again, else on Twitter posted...
00:28:30
Speaker
has been them trying to talk up a pandemic but that hasn't been working so now let's bring out the ufos and bring back project bluebeam and again someone else on on twitter posted Project Bluebeam makes its debut. Obviously another distraction from Epstein pedophiles. No wonder dude said have fun and enjoy. So it's interesting that the um the comments that they chose to highlight in this article were more people saying that that this is...
00:28:56
Speaker
This stuff is A, a deliberate nod towards Project Bluebeam, but B, it's just a distraction from the other dodgy stuff that's going on, which but which which does actually feel somewhat of this time, I guess. Yes, it's a conspiracy about a conspiracy or a conspiracy theory to explain away another conspiracy theory.
00:29:16
Speaker
But then, yeah, just going a little bit further back, there was an article related to to drone sightings from 2024. Was that when – I remember there was a bit of a a bit of a drone scare a few years ago, so this might have been that, when people – it was like – was it New Jersey? Somewhere in America people were insisting that that there were these – People kept seeing drones flying across the place and there was appeared to be no, um they weren't sort of on on any any sort of official purpose. And so the suggestion was maybe it was it's foreign nations sending drones over to spy on us or something. Although, as I recall, it didn't really seem like much of anything at all. But I'm guessing this was around that time. And so... um
00:29:56
Speaker
this is So in 2024, December of 2024, in fact, this article was, it mentioned that apparently Alex Jones was talking about Project Bluebeam at that time. they sort of in In this article from December 2024, they said Alex Jones has been talking about Project Bluebeam.
00:30:13
Speaker
and relating it to this drone stuff. And um in relation to all the drone business, apparently, according to this article, on Saturday, which again would have been sometime in December of 2024, Donald Trump's supporting celebrity Roseanne Barr posted on X, formerly Twitter, Now you see while i mention why I mention Project Bluebeam every week on my podcast. Her post had garnered over 2 million views by Sunday.
00:30:36
Speaker
And mean, I know Roseanne Barr had gone full MAGA and was very, very sort of right wing stuff. I wasn't aware that she had a podcast, but that doesn't surprise me at all. and i was not a aware that she had been talking about stuff like Project Bluebeam. i assume she would have just been all anti-vax and pro-Trump. She had a very interesting interview with Alex Jones where it's quite clear that their energy doesn't work together at all well, but they were pretending to get along because they were ostensibly on the same side.
00:31:10
Speaker
It was quite terrible and also enjoyable to listen to in equal measure. Yes, am I right in thinking that she had a Netflix special that was actually titled Cancel This?
00:31:24
Speaker
Oh, that sounds plausible, but I might just be thinking that's what it's called. Yeah. that was i mean, we'll just never know. We'll never know. know It's sitting in front of devices that access the entirety of human knowledge, but there's no way for us to know that particular fact.
Why Project Bluebeam Persists?
00:31:41
Speaker
No, just impossible, just impossible. But, yeah, then then again, this this was like, well, this is the first page of results that I saw. We had an article from April of this year, which is another front from IFL Science. Another, but basically, hey, Project Bluebeam, here's an interesting thing. And it it it's a little bit, um it does label it as a 1990s conspiracy theory.
00:32:08
Speaker
And as it says in the um in the intro, and in the byline of this thing, the ideas in this particularly juicy conspiracy theory were considered impossible when it was first proposed. But they're broad enough that they get new life on the internet every now and then. and it's It's, again, just sort of a a summary of um of the whole thing of of of basically everything we've talked about in this podcast so far. what What that guy originally said, how it was... Oh, that was one thing we didn't bring up. It was meant to have started in 1983, which was when the age of Aquarius was supposed to start. That was the original one.
00:32:42
Speaker
But yeah, it just it goes through... goes that This one goes through the various steps, one, two, three, four, that we've already talked about. But then it has a whole section on why has it stuck around so long? And it goes through the various reasons why. um So so their their particular view...
00:32:57
Speaker
The view of this article, written by Dr. Russell Mool, he says, I would dispute read in any detail. But nevertheless, as says,
00:33:07
Speaker
and be easily understandable i would dispute that if you read it and any detail but neverthelessless as he says firstly the rapid development of technologies especially with the speed at which ai is developing now could make someone worry that there could be some easily choreographed large-scale deception at some point.
00:33:25
Speaker
Secondly, although Monast makes multiple references to the religions of the world, it is clear he was mostly concerned with Christians. His conspiracy theory taps into a pervasive apocalyptic concern for people who are already expecting some end-time scenario to occur.
00:33:38
Speaker
At the same time, this idea hits at the heart of the growing distrust of institutions, expertise and authority. It therefore accommodates other conspiracy theories that are suspicious of scientific achievements, such as anti-vaccine groups or the powers of specific organizations like flat earthers.
00:33:54
Speaker
And that this this comes at the end of his article, which he concludes, but there's no evidence to verify pretty much anything, Monarch claims. Decades later, our technology is much more advanced than it was in his day, ah yet we still have no sign of this great end time, nor any of the terrifying technological abilities he prophesied.
00:34:10
Speaker
Nevertheless, its broad nature and wide-scale suspicions make it easily mutable, which is likely why we'll see variations of it emerging in the years to come. Which sounds about right, really. Yeah, there's an interesting aspect. I was trying to work out why, if you think Project Blue Beam is real, why it's been delayed quite substantially from 1983.
00:34:32
Speaker
nineteen eighty three and Sergei is actually quite frank about this. He doesn't know why it's been delayed. It just has been. So he has government insiders who keep talking to him about the project, and they can't explain the delay, just that it has been delayed. Now, I don't know about you, Josh, but 1983 and the current year was at least years ago.
00:35:00
Speaker
And it just seems very odd, very odd that it's that in the last 10 years, nothing has happened, especially given how much has actually happened. Because, i mean, I know in 1983, we all know that objectively it was 10 years ago. But in many respects, it feels more like 40 years ago It does a little bit, almost like 43 years ago.
00:35:23
Speaker
no, I wouldn't go that far. I would not go that far. Sorry, sorry, Didn't mean to overstep, sorry. um But, yeah, it is interesting. it it seemed It sounds like that sort of thing of of just sort of extrapolating from what you know about technology at the moment. So it's like we know holograms are a thing. mean, holograms have been a thing for quite a while and in one form or another. Yeah, I mean, they were and they were a thing for a hot minute, and then they just stopped being a thing.
00:35:50
Speaker
Yeah. So you can understand someone saying, OK, well, this is the technology as it stands at the moment, but you can imagine that getting a little bit better, bit more advanced, bit fancy. Maybe the sort of thing that the government already has and is sitting on, you know they have the advanced version of this technology that we we only have the the crude version of.
00:36:08
Speaker
and maybe they could do this wacky stuff with it. And so then again, you know, you fast forward to the current day. Well, it is interesting, actually, to see the fact that when people see lights in the sky nowadays, they are more likely to say enemy nation's drone and than they are to say UFO, when in fact we're fairly certain that a lot of UFO sightings in the past were actually military drones of the sort that did not exist, ah that weren't available to the public at the time.
00:36:34
Speaker
But um yeah know knowing how drones work and seeing the sort of displays that you talked about, again, you can just do the thing of like, oh well, that's that's what we know they can do. But assuming, again, that the government is sitting on more advanced technology than we see, you can then say, oh, well, ah so then you know then they could use hologram projecting drones like in that Spider-Man movie and um and just just make any pictures they want appear and convince us of anything.
00:36:58
Speaker
ah yeah it It does seem like the the way it sort of relies on the concept of technology being a little bit bigger than we we little bit better than we think it is means it can nicely adapt sort of however whichever direction technology goes.
00:37:12
Speaker
Yeah, and that got me thinking, Project Bluebeam is what a lot of people think is a kind of typical speculative conspiracy theory. and I think that a lot of people assume all conspiracy theories are of this particular nature. Because this is a conspiracy theory which is based upon the, if this technology did exist...
00:37:35
Speaker
and there was a particular intention by people in power, then the following is a possibility. So it's a very speculative hypothesis.
00:37:47
Speaker
If this technology exists, then you could do this thing. which And if you can do this thing and people want to use it for their own particular agenda, then this would be the consequence of those particular actions. And because a lot of it rests upon going, the technology is more advanced than you think.
Evidence in Conspiracy Theories
00:38:07
Speaker
Then the level of speculation becomes really quite high. Then you have the other part, which I find fascinating, and this is the way evidence is used by Sergei. So Sergei is talking with a lot of what he takes to be government insiders who are giving him evidence for the existence of Project Bluebeam.
00:38:33
Speaker
And this is interesting because on one hand, you might just think, oh, he's lying. He's just making up these insiders to provide evidence for his conjecture. These are unnamed sources, and we never found out who they are. So they might not exist. But the thing is, they might have existed. And they might have existed...
00:38:58
Speaker
In a sense that there were people that Sergei talked to off the record, and Sergei simply misinterpreted what they told him. So I'm thinking here about Martin Butler when he talks about Bob Tizard and Bob Tizard's apparent admission about hidden tunnels inside North Head.
00:39:19
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back in Devonport, New Zealand. And when you look at what Bob Tazad said, it simply says, look, I have been told there's something there there are inaccessible places on North Head, which Martin then interprets to be there must be a giant tunnel complex within North Head. So he's interpreting something he's been told as meaning something completely different. But, of course, the other possibility is that the people that he takes to be government insiders aren't actually insiders at all and are having a little bit of fun with them by going, oh, yeah, I ah yeah used to work for the CIA.
00:39:55
Speaker
Yeah, I can tell you about what the CIA do. Do you know the CIA keep unicorns in a leprechaun-built tank in the bottom of Area 51? Not many people know that. You should probably write that down. Are you writing that down? I hope you publish that soon.
00:40:11
Speaker
Or if not if not actively malicious, maybe delusional also. Maybe maybe people who've made the lump that made the jump from here's my here's my theory of how it how it could happen to actually, yes, it did happen. And and and yes, I need to to get the word out and tell people that I know it is because I'm actually a secret a secret government insider or something. Or the whole the whole the whole government LARPing thing that we saw around the start of QAnon, which... It all started because they had this person claiming to be an insider and the trumpet in the first Trump administration, leaking this this obscure information.
00:40:51
Speaker
Again, it could be you know it it could be some of that. Or it could be a General Flynn, someone who really does seem to believe the strange things that he says and was a top-ranking member of the the military brass in the U.S. Army.
00:41:10
Speaker
But i mean but my my my bigger point here is that if these insiders did exist, why were they leaking only to this one guy?
00:41:21
Speaker
You would think if you're trying to warn the world about the existence of a gigantic plot to engineer a religious conversion to Satanism and bring about a new world order, you might slip that information to the Washington Post.
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00:41:40
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Yeah, yeah. I mean, obviously you can tell a story about how I tried to to give it to the the authorities, but they're all too close-minded. They all thought I was a crank. but this guy, this guy believed me or But yeah even in that situation, why is it only this guy? Why aren't you also leaking this to news sources in, say, this at that time, the remnants of the Soviet Union where they will want some kind of PR coup over the decadent West?
00:42:12
Speaker
Yes, yes, no, you're right. It doesn't seem... It never seems like they tried to to get it out there to any other source, but... Yeah, and that's I don't think that's unique to the case of Project Bluebeam at all. But but it is it is one of those things that does make you think.
00:42:28
Speaker
One of the reasons why i am doubtful that Project Bluebeam exists is that the singular source for this information rather undercuts the urgency of people leaking information to the press. We should be seeing a lot of the stuff, including other journalists going, oh, yeah, I i mean, i I heard about this as well, but I thought i thought it was nonsense. You'd think there'd be people chiming in with the, oh, yes, I've heard the same thing from other sources, and yet Sergey appears to be the only source, or at least one of very few sources, these people were leaking information to.
00:43:07
Speaker
Yes. So that is Project Bluebeam, now and then and and earlier then. So I was i was quite happy to see all this, I thought. it was nice, you know, seeing seeing the name pop up in in our last episode was a nice little sort of blast from the past thing, but to go and have a look around and see that it's still alive and kicking and and and adapting itself to modern technology like some sort of horrible disease, I thought was quite nice.
00:43:35
Speaker
Yeah, and the fact that it's actually leveraging real horrors in our world, such as the development of LLMs, is very interesting.
00:43:45
Speaker
So there you go. it was like We've done a few of these back-to-the-conspiracy things where we've gone and looked back at topics that we've we've covered in the past, but...
00:43:56
Speaker
I think of all of them, this is the one where it really seemed like that old conspiracy. Like a lot of them were with sort of historical things that are just things that have happened, whereas this one, it did seem different in that it was you know still alive and kicking today and and and and in a new form and sort of you know keep stay staying abreast of current affairs and and and developments in technology.
00:44:18
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It was quite quite quite quite cheering, quite heartwarming to see this little conspiracy theory made good. So made good? That seems like a weird phrase to use.
00:44:30
Speaker
Well, it's it's done well for itself. you would do that That's a phrase. Someone's made good. I'm not making it up. I swear I'm not making it up. I just feel the intent behind those words is giving a slightly different portrayal of the conspiracy theory itself. When you say conspiracy theory makes good, you kind of assume it's becoming true or has become more plausible.
00:44:54
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Well, but it's but it's it's it's maintained, I guess, popularity. It hasn't just it hasn't just drifted off and into obscurity. It's still out there. People are still talking about it.
00:45:06
Speaker
They're still talking about it, don't they? It could have been a star. will be again. Just needs the right break. You heard Josh is Sergei Monast or Serge Monash. Well, we we just don't know. And we'll never know. we don't know. And he's dead, so he's he can't complain to us.
00:45:26
Speaker
Unless he's the ultimate representation of the Antichrist when Project Bluebeam comes to fruition. So that is it for this episode about Project Bluebeam, this little walk down memory lane and and then diverting into present day.
00:45:42
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00:46:58
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00:47:12
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00:47:23
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Nice guy, that Antichrist.
00:47:30
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