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We talk about Persona 3 Reload
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Hi everyone! I hope you all enjoy the latest episode where we discuss the recently released Persona 3 Reload!
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Transcript
Welcome and Guest Introduction
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Speaker
Hello, everyone. Welcome back to the Gaming Black podcast. I am your host, Andrew Raun, and today I'm joined by one half of the bad boys of video games, Roger Benin, the third, wearing his iconic Beatles shirt. But Roger, could you scoot back a little for the Oh, it's not just the Beatles.
Iconic Shirts and Compliments
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Speaker
It's the Beatles rock band. I've gotten so many compliments on the shirt more than anything else in my wardrobe. That's what we like to see. I don't really have shirts that get compliments except for my ah Cowboy Bebop shirt. Yeah. It's stuff like that. That'll get you compliments. People like random people will be like, my shirt. Yeah. It's, it's those like kind of, I guess rock bands obscure now,
Rise and Fall of Rock Band Games
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Speaker
isn't it? Even though there was a point in our lives where it was, ever it's probably the biggest thing in the world. And then, yeah, it just one day died and it tried to come back for a second.
00:00:53
Speaker
Both it and Guitar Hero did, yeah. Yeah. and so And I don't know about Rock Band. Guitar Hero did their weird double fret thing with their new game. I hated that. I couldn't do it.
Clone Hero Recommendation
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Speaker
I don't understand why they did that either, because it was like, you don't have to reinvent the- I don't know if you were trying to more mimic a real guitar, but I couldn't stand it. It's simple as better. Yeah. Just release. If they would make Rock Band again, but like it's just the guitar, maybe it was a little higher quality. Dude, you guys need to bite the clone hero pill. All right. I bit that and I just I've never gone back. Oh, that that's the PC one, right? Yeah. Oh, maybe one day.
Early Morning Recording and Jake's Absence
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Speaker
Oh, my face is so bright with this. We're recording this at 1040 a.m. 940 a.m. Central Time for me. Yeah. Because some people want to act like they have lives. You have a third member here. So we do. Jake is um
00:01:50
Speaker
I don't know, I'm being a corporate slave right now.
Pet Behaviors and Partner Absence
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But that tale, believe it or not, is not Rogers.
00:01:59
Speaker
Dude, he does this when I'm like trying to play games and stuff. I like put my hand up like here and he would just move it with his head. I love that. Yui won't do that. Yui's my dog in case the audience doesn't know. She'll, if Susan's gone, then she will be attached to me. But if Susan's, and it's only if Susan is like traveling. I don't know if the dog knows because like she's got the suitcase and stuff, but once she leaves with like, and she's gonna be gone for a few days, then the dog will be by my side. Now if Susan's just leaving for a few hours. She just has the sixth sense. She'll sit on the ottoman and stare at the door and wait.
00:02:36
Speaker
yeah And she'll ignore me. She'll pretend like I don't exist. um Yeah, this cat definitely plays both sides, depending on whether me or my roommate's home. and yeah You'll just kind of go to whoever. It's so, so rude. It's really rude when I get up to get a drink. and i I look back and he's still in my chair. means That's when you sit on him. Well, I'm glad you're here.
Recent Games and Inconsistent Podcasting
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Speaker
Glad to see you. We have a bit of things to talk about. ah We've both actually been playing a game that we can dive deeper into. But before that,
00:03:10
Speaker
I want to talk a little bit about another game that I played recently. And I think the last episode me and Jake did was two and a half weeks ago. So it's one of those things where it's inconsistent enough to where I don't exactly remember what I talked about last time. But I i know for sure that I didn't talk about um the PlayStation 2 enhancements on PS5.
Enhanced PS2 Games on PS5
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Speaker
These are new games that they're releasing. yeah which they've had ps2 games on the ps5 before but now these are like built for ps5 and things like that um in the games where they released uh tomb raider the remake of tomb raider that came out on the ps2 and they released like cooper and star wars the clone wars and a couple other games but those were the ones i was interested in and my big thing is that they added trophy support to them and
00:04:04
Speaker
It's been kind of a delight of going back and playing these older games, but now having that um little carrot acting in the stick.
Xbox Achievements and Bugs
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Speaker
Yeah. Man, I wish the Xbox did that with some of their older games. If I could go back to Morrowind with achievements. Right. And it's like, I feel like the amount of effort it takes to put in trophies or achievements is small. Yeah, I don't, you know, I say that, but they with Xbox and achievements, they've always like had some issues here and there with them. Like them being bugged and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's true. I remember Minecraft when that first came out 10 years ago or whatever. It was probably older than that actually. But you could like get all the achievements if someone else had them all and you joined their game or something. And it's always been a little weird on Xbox. It's been a little strange. And you always had some weird stuff. Like sometimes you would try and get it and it just wouldn't work. Yeah, I was gonna say that happened to you guys on your
00:04:59
Speaker
I mean, that happened to us on our yeah, our Master Chief
Glitches in Game Achievements
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Speaker
journey. Yeah. But even like back in the the Halo 360 days, there was some problems here and there. Yeah, that would frustrate me to know it. I don't think yeah it's traumatized both of us. Well, actually, that's not true. There's PlayStation trophies that do that as well. I've straight up not played games because they'll be like, oh, this trophy is glitched. I'm like, OK, I'm not playing it. Oh, dude, I've done the exact same. Yeah. If the trophy is glitched and it's like something maybe I'd have to replay the game and try and get it. I'm like, no. ah huh Actually, um ah Final Fantasy 7, Rebirth. When that came out, ah it wasn't a glitched trophy. It was a glitched quest to get a trophy. because there's One of them is to complete every quest, but then you have to do like this thing at Gold Saucer where you're playing all the mini games and getting the high scores. But if you did the bike race, if you got the highest score, it still had the little exclamation over the guy to be like, try to beat my highest score.
00:05:57
Speaker
Oh. And they were like. The coworker was telling me about that. About the fucking minigames in that game.
Trophy Glitches in Final Fantasy
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And at that point, I was 92 hours into the game. And it was the last thing I had to do before the end of the game. And I sat there, and I was like, how long is it going to take them to fix this? And I ended up just beating the game, because I was like, I'm going to do a new game plus anyways for hard mode. But it was very frustrating, because that's one more thing I could have just had done. but um Actually, I think that happened to me in Final Fantasy 16 as well, where there was a ah trophy for exploring 100% of the map. And i I did that. There is no Hanaria or nothing and it was stuck at 97%. And I looked up online and everybody was like, yeah, you just yeah have to go to New Game Plus and re-explore at all.
00:06:49
Speaker
Well, I guess that's one way to sell your new game plus mode. I mean, I was going to play new game plus anyways, I was just kind of waiting to take a break. Now it's kind of the perfect time because it's been a little while and the DLC is out.
Final Fantasy 16 Gameplay Insights
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Speaker
ah Yeah, i am I actually went back to Final Fantasy 16 a few weeks ago and that surprise, surprise is still good. and I didn't get that far into it, but um i'm in the ah I'm in the desert right now chasing, um what's his name, Koopka? Uh, yeah, the earth guy. Uh-huh. Yeah. But I, I have that issue now of it's been so long. I'm trying to learn how to play the game again. Um, so it's, it's been interesting, but it's such a good game. We had this whole like bar fight or something. And I was like, I'm curious if I, uh, if I go back to it, if it'll be like kind of picking up the bike, like it will be pretty easy to go back into or if it'll take a little bit.
00:07:43
Speaker
I think if you start from the beginning, it would be because where I'm starting, I just have so many different abilities and things and I don't even remember everything. um I did have Susan start it though and she played basically the demo and she liked it. Yeah, it has a nice startup. um And once you get, I don't know, I feel like it does a nice good job of easing you into the mechanics of the game. Definitely. Yeah. Cause I mean, honestly, it might be too much cause there was a point where I was kind of getting frustrated with how easy it was, but it does pick up the difficulty and it does become more of a little complex as it goes on. I agree. I think, yeah, I think it was, you know, yeah as it was also since like, it's their first time going to that full on action route. You know what I mean? Yeah. yeah yeah I think it's understandable that some of their fan base wouldn't be as familiar with that.
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well familiar and or um supportive of
Comparison of Final Fantasy Games
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it. Yeah. The whole this is a Final Fantasy or whatever. like Sure, man. That's what you say. I absolutely loved it. No, me too. It's it's good. And it's like, I don't know. You'd think after 15, which I loved 15, I'm a huge supporter. I think I've beaten 15. four times, five times now. How long of a game is that? It depends. If you do all the side things very long, I think just the main quest though is about 40 something hours. How long is rebirth compared to the the first remake? OK. So rebirth, if you just do the quest, I think it's about 50 hours. OK. Rebirth, if you want to do everything, is about 100 hours. Jesus.
00:09:33
Speaker
That's what my coworkers tell me is there's so much extra stuff in that game. It's so worth it though, because every, it's like, I mean, I guess some of the minigames and stuff you don't need to do, obviously, and they don't really add much to it. But if you do everything, like all the little side icons and stuff like that, it just, everything feels intentional.
Rebirth's Side Quests and Endings
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And it adds so much to the story and to the game and to the characters too. Because it I really like how, I'm gonna get on a tangent to Rebirth, so I'll try to slow down a little bit. But um in the games you were playing.
00:10:06
Speaker
Yeah, I played it two months ago, three months ago. um But I love how every every side quest and thing like that in Rebirth had like character development meaning. It's weird when you play a game that's a remake. So it's like, you know the characters, but then you realize you didn't really know them because the original game wasn't that deep, you know? But now there's, I don't know, I just think about this one side quest where we had to Guide this dog from one town to the next. But the whole time we're guiding it, Barrett is talking about like his daughter and how he's like strong and tough. But then he'll start like crying and things like that. And he's like, I miss you, baby girl. And Cloud's like, get it together, man.
00:10:54
Speaker
um But there's just so many little character moments. It's it's so well written and like the characters feel natural and things like that. The only problem with Rebirth, and it's not even a problem, it's subjective or yeah, it's subjective. It's an opinion is just like with Remake, the ending is weird. like That's what I heard. Yeah, I don't know why they have to they have this like feeling that they have to just be weird with it. They have to make it confusing and dragged out. And then I'm not a fan of the whispers. I'm just not. The whisper stuff? Yeah, the little ghost guys that are flying around and things like that. OK, OK. I'm not the biggest fan of them. They make more sense in this game than they did in the first one. But um yeah, you haven't played any of Rebirth, right? No. You're in for a treat, dude.
Persona 3 Reload Gameplay
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Speaker
Well, and that's the thing is I own both the first and rebirth and I um want to sit down and get through it, but a lot of games, dude. Oh, I know. Even though this is a quote unquote slow year, does it feel like it? but um Yeah, I'm basically still playing catch up at this point. Been playing catch up my whole life.
00:12:12
Speaker
um speaking of ketchup i did platinum star wars the clone wars ps2 um you that's a game that i had played as a child but never beat took me two and a half hours to beat and hundred percent so i don't know if i was just a dumb kid or what but it was very easy we're all very dumb kids don't worry about it right i think we were talking last night about like going back to games as a kid and then playing through them and breezing through them because they're so easy. yeah the only The only game that that's not true for, at least I feel like it's not true for, is the Simpsons hit and run.
Devil May Cry and Childhood Gaming
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Speaker
Because that game gets stupid hard at the end. so for me ah
00:12:57
Speaker
The game where it's like, I don't even know how I attempted this back in the day was Devil May Cry 3. I was playing through that a year or two ago. And it was a challenge. like you know I had multiple retries and multiple, I had to use all the stuff. And I'm like, I don't know how my kid self even like got past the first level. We we um take for granted the amount of free time that we have as a child. Dude, it's like the shit I would do in games. And now it's just like, I have to like debate whether I actually want to complete it or not. Yeah, um i have yeah exactly. I am got my old PS Vita out and I was um
Star Wars Clone Wars Completion
00:13:38
Speaker
downloading some games to it. And I checked my old Persona 4 save. Yeah. And it had 380 hours on it. And I was like,
00:13:48
Speaker
There's no way in today's world. Andrew, give me just a second. I'm sorry. I hear. I hear. I'm going to do a pause. And now it's time, once again, for Andrew's Inquiries. This is the part of the show where I'm left by myself. So I look around and inquire about things. But it's time for the segment to end because he is back. um So I hope you enjoyed. And we'll see you next time on Andrew's Inquiries.
00:14:18
Speaker
That was a very quick segment. I kind of heard it, but... ah i'm You hear it later on the recording. All right. All right. Let's but let's just dive straight in since I already, I already opened the gates with talking about persona four.
Fire Emblem Engage Mechanics
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Speaker
Oh, good. Let's just say I, I did if before we want to go into that. Um, I did do a farm boom engage too. I played through that. Oh shit. Yeah. Did you beat it? Yeah. Okay. What'd you think?
00:14:52
Speaker
I made sure to beat it before I moved on to Persona 3. So I really liked it. um mine my i don't know For me, the ah the engage mechanic was kind of a positive and a negative for me. um yeah I didn't like how you had to change your classes using those. like You didn't have to, but if you wanted to like make a character go a different way or like You would have to give them certain rings, give them proficiencies and certain stats and stuff. Yeah. yeah I don't know. It just like, it was cool. But man, it made the, and maybe I'm just going to start playing those games on a harder difficulty, even but it made them really easy. You know what I mean? Yeah. Which um difficulties are shit but difficulty, did you play on normal? Yeah, just normal. And so I think I probably should just start playing on hard.
00:15:43
Speaker
Well, maybe I so I actually started that game on hard because I was like, I've played Fire Emblem how dozens of times and I'm good at tactical games. I can do this. And I actually made it to about the cult the third way. I mean, we can do spoilers since we both being that the game's over a year old. um But there's a part where you get to a castle and there's like two or three battles in a row. Yeah. um thick That's where they do that. to Yeah. Yeah, but I think it's the first time that you do that. I would say it's like about a third of the way into the game, maybe maybe a fourth. But I got to that moment and I think I had i hadd either lost one character or I lost nobody.
00:16:26
Speaker
And then this fucking castle kicked my ass so hard. I'm talking like eight casualties. And I was like, I can't i can't beat the game losing eight people on one mission. Yeah, so that's that's unfortunately ah probably a restart. Yeah, so I restarted the mission and I knocked the difficulty from hard to normal. But since I had been playing on hard for so long, all my characters were already obscenely strong. yeah So the game was a breeze after that. um yeah It actually became really easy if you like just grind a little bit to over level in that game, which is yeah, and on hard necessarily mind that but
00:17:10
Speaker
Yeah, and on hard difficulty, you had to kind of grind just to, you know, now its covid so like, I remember them saying they were going back to like classic fire emblem, right? And in some ways they did. But I thought that kind of meant like less micromanaging my characters. Not the case. not you or microromaning is So much in that game. But I enjoyed it. I really liked it. I liked all the characters story was fine. Um, yeah i enjoyed I really enjoyed the maps and the actual 3D layout and stuff. yeah um And it would just zoom in. It would zoom into that part of the map and you would see that battle take place there. but Definitely. There are a lot of quality of life things that they did. There's a ton of quality of life things that I really appreciated. yeah I know it's the rewind feature is a little controversial. um I like it for like if I make one little mess up and I can redo that. you know
00:18:04
Speaker
Like if I had a character attack some unit and it's like, oh, I didn't realize that unit had an axe and they just bodied my character to rewind and redo that like decision. That's kind of how I use it. I've never understood either because just don't use it. If you don't like it, don't use it. Yeah. It's very simple. It's such a... It's the same with, you know, that Eldering argument. People just get really gatekeepy about certain things and I i don't know. I think people are just, people are annoying. Did you ever, you played three houses, right? Yeah. And did you just do like one run, three
Fire Emblem Three Houses vs Engage
00:18:40
Speaker
runs? Like two runs. I would like to do another one, but yeah, I did a run with the, uh, the church. Um, that was actually my, my first run, which was kind of a cool first run since you're on, uh, house Eldgard, I think. Uh-huh. Yeah. yeah basically And, you know,
00:18:58
Speaker
Spoilers for that game. She turns on you halfway through but I think you can join her you can But I ended up joining the church I think by accident and then I did another run through with a blue the blue Lions Was that their name? That is hilarious because that's the exact same thing I did I beat that game twice. And the first time I was with Elgard, I was like, I'm not going to turn on the church. So then I went with the church. And then, yeah, I did the Blue Lions run, which I like the Blue Lions run because it felt a lot more like just a normal Fire Emblem story. Yeah. Yeah. The church gets a little weird. It was neat doing the the I forget that what the Reds name is, um but it was neat doing their story first and like having that kind of betrayal point at the halfway.
00:19:40
Speaker
Mm hmm. No, I really liked Three Houses and the spin off three, the Warriors spin off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All the Fire Emblem Warriors games have been I think there's only two, but they've both been pretty solid. That game was so cool, because like your character from Three Houses was like your the antagonist for your character in that game. Oh, yeah, you're hunting them down, the mercenary, whatever. ah Yeah, no, it's cool. um Yeah, i'm I'm glad you liked Engage because I feel like Engage was one where Three Houses wasn't like the breath of the wild of Fire Emblem, but it definitely was like this moment of like, oh, here's something kind of new and different with the whole multiple paths and how big it is too, because it's such a long game. Yeah. And people really clamored to it and loved it. And then when Engage came out, I mean, Three Houses sold, I think, way more than Engage, even though Engage sold, you know, respectfully, I think a couple million copies.
00:20:39
Speaker
Um, people were really excited for three houses. Yeah. So I'm interested to see if. Now, I mean, it makes sense if you just look at the sales numbers, if they're going to go back to something that's similar to three houses. I mean, they won't do it again. They're not going to do three houses too. But if they kind of do something in that like pseudo school, I almost hesitant to say, but persona light, you know, I don't necessarily need them to do that. um But I did like the structure of it and how like you could like do these little tiny bits of like growing proficiency. Like in that game, it was pretty
00:21:11
Speaker
If you really wanted to like take a character and like nudge them in a different direction, it was easier to do than that game than it was in other games. Yeah. I enjoyed Engage quite a bit. I enjoyed a lot of the battles. They had a ah couple of moments. the I think the arenas were my favorite part of Engage, where the objectives were kind of still pretty standard. Nothing too out of the box on like the objective to win the battles. But some of the arenas were just really, and and they brought back some classic arenas from classic games. And yeah, I just really enjoyed that. Yeah. And then did you get the DLC or? No, I never got the DLC. So I never got the DLC for any of them.
00:21:54
Speaker
I got the DLC and I haven't like actually because they did like the two season thing or whatever. I don't fucking know. I hate the way that we do DLC. If you're going to do DLC, do it like Cyberpunk where you're just like, here it is. OK, we're done. Yeah, little chunks or like months. I'm going to talk about Persona 3 in a second, but their DLC model I think is fucking ridiculous. But anyways. um They had this first thing where like at the beginning of the game, there's like these little islands that are there. And it's just a way to get more rings from different Fire Emblem characters and things like that. But all the maps are from their games, so they're just expanding on that. And I thought that was really cool. I really appreciate how they were like,
00:22:34
Speaker
It's kind of like the Fire Emblem game made for Fire Emblem fans, which much so yeah is funny because half the games aren't even available in English. um But, you know, if you've read about them or playing like a fan translate, um there are a lot of cool little references in Engage. can and I agree. I agree. I really enjoyed my time with it. Yeah. um I still think I probably personally prefer Three Houses more, but there hasn't been a Fire Emblem game I've played where I didn't have a good time. Yeah, I agree. It just gets into that nitpicky, like, well, which one's better? Things like that. It's like, well, they're all good for different reasons. Yeah. I'm going to just cough. Sorry. There's a lot going on right now. Cough. The cats are impeding.
00:23:26
Speaker
So, yeah, um Persona. um Well, here it is.
Persona 3 Reload Strategy
00:23:31
Speaker
So, Persona 3 Reload came out back in March, I believe. but Yeah, I think you're right. Because it came out after... There's just this golden era of JRPGs where Yakuza 8 came out in January and then Fire or Final Fantasy Rebirth came out in February. And then I think Persona 3 really came out in March. And there are a couple other games too. um But those were the kind of three big ones.
00:23:59
Speaker
And it's so weird because I feel like Persona 3 being a remake doesn't do it justice because when I was playing the game and for context, I've beaten three as and reload or not reload ah portable. Yeah. Yeah. You know, you know all the different versions. Yeah. So I and I'm like four, I've only beaten each version once. So I never actually got to do a new game plus playthrough, even though with FES, you can kind of transfer things over and things like that. but I still wasn't able to get all the social links. um Or I guess I just didn't want to get all the social links because I don't know. I i didn't play Persona, right? all wayth throughughs You probably have seen them all, but... Yeah, I've seen most of them. Maybe not like they're level 10, but I've seen like basically everything. um So when I got reload, I was in that mindset of it's just Persona 3 again, you know?
00:24:53
Speaker
I'm like, yeah, it's, it's, and it is what it is. explain it too Um, I was distracted with something else, I think. And yeah, but the more I got into the game, the more I realized, I was like, Oh no, wait, this is a new persona game. You know, it's like, this is, this is really cool. It's always been new and I was just excited to go back to it. So. Yeah, so tell me, I'll let you start with how is like, your time with three. I will say it's like, thank God I play persona five and persona four, because like now I know kind of how to spend my time. in persona You know what I mean? I think it's completely fine.
00:25:32
Speaker
for your first time with your first Persona game, just do whatever you wanna do and just do what you can. um But now I kind of understand also when you played a couple, certain things like going to sleep at night, you're like, just don't do that. Like like theres there is certain there's a lot of ways to to maximize spending your time in that game. And i I feel pretty proud about how efficient I've been, although I don't think I'm gonna 100% all the links. in this playthrough. I think I would get close, but I don't think I'm going to get. And part of that, I can kind of tell what some stuff they added um to reload. For example, the shift mechanic, right? yeah o one up to another That has to be something they added. That wasn't in Persona 4, you know what I mean?
00:26:20
Speaker
Yeah, so like, that's it's funny, because, you know, persona three is a tale of four cities, I guess, because in the original, you didn't even control your own teammates. Yeah, you only controlled yourself. And then your teammates did what they wanted to. And like, you know, it leads to some classic moments of stupid AI. Imagine. um And then I think in Maybe you could control them in the other persona games do that or your your party members make their own decisions um britona three It's only three
00:26:57
Speaker
That's crazy. i like And four actually, when you, so in the original four, when you get a new characters, like whenever Yosuke is available in your party and stuff, they default to being controlled by the AI too, where I would have to go and actually, I can't tell you how many times I'd forget about it and then I'd get into a battle and they would just start doing their own shit. And I'd be like, no, stop that. Okay, let me see. um Persona 3 Fez, can you control your part on party manually? No. um So, okay, I can't remember, it's been so long. I don't know if that was like how those games are, where they do their own thing, or if you still can control them.
00:27:36
Speaker
Yeah, so that was the big thing was, so in Persona 3 and Persona 3 Fez, because Fez is just, I mean Fez stands for festival, and it's it was the main game with the expansion, and I think they added like a couple things in there.
Persona 3 Portable Features
00:27:47
Speaker
um But you could not control your party in either of those games. You could tactically control them, so you'd be like, you're on healing, or you're aggressive, or you're defense, or whatever. um But that's why I liked Portable so much, because in Portable, you could control your party. problem with portable is that it plays like a dating sim for most time. Unless you're in the dungeon, then you can actually move around 3D. It's like a slideshow for the rest of the game.
00:28:11
Speaker
yeah but it's pretty good and like you know it has the female protagonist side which yeah i'm very curious playing this game like what it would be like with the female protagonist it it i you know maybe it's because it's pink i don't know but i love the female protagonist side because it has different music it has different social links like that's where you can social link with like akihiko and things like that um Yeah, there's just a few there's different things about it. But the the developers came out said they're not doing the per the female protagonist side or whatever. And I'm like, that's a shame. And this would have been the ultimate game for Persona 3. Exactly. It's like, why can't you just make your we're getting the DLC for um the answer, which is coming out in October or November or September. It's coming out fall. September.
00:29:00
Speaker
Um, so it's like, if you just did that too, and that I feel like, cause the, currently the DLC is $35 and we're just going to jump into this. Cause I hate Atlas and or Sega. The second that Atlas got bought by Sega, their DLC has been so egregious. It started with the arena games where they're selling you like glasses pack or color pack and things like that. And then they started selling you personas in queue. Like, oh, $3 to get a persona. It's like, don't do this. This is like in Pokemon, if they're like, you want fucking Badoof? $2, please. I mean, I mean, Pokemon's getting there themselves, but yeah.
00:29:39
Speaker
But they're selling this $35 expansion pass, where you get the answer. But it's a season pass, and the other two seasons or the other two moments of it consist of costumes for
Debate: Persona 3 vs Persona 4
00:29:52
Speaker
your characters. Yeah, I noticed that with like a lot of Persona games. is like a lot of the There's a lot of costume DLC that you can buy. And in Persona 5, wasn't it where you could buy certain Personas to- Oh my gosh. Fives was so- I think all the DLC by the end of Original 5 was over $100. Yeah, like it was royal, but. Well, Royal included all the DLC from five, but then I think they released even more DLC. It's it's ridiculous. But, um, yeah, it's a shame that they're not doing the female route, but I guess that's just another remake they can do in five to 10 years, you know, or another DLC they can release.
00:30:35
Speaker
Yeah, someday. Let's just keep milking these games. I haven't joined. I really like the, I don't know. I really like the themes of it. I really like the, the, the concept of grief and how every character deals with that in some fashion. Um, I like it when like every character is tied by a thematic purpose like that. Yeah. And the pursuing games are really good about doing that with their social links. Like I think all of them have done that where all the social links do kind of share a common common thread that they're exploring. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. it You know, back in the day before Persona 5 came out, it was the great debate where you had between you're either a three fan or four fan. And there's no there's no separation. And it was, well, three is the better game, because it's dark. That was literally the argument. It is a bit more emo. Um, yeah, I can't tell you how many times I'll be playing the game and like my roommate or somebody will
00:31:31
Speaker
will come home and they'll see me just shoot myself in the head in the fucking giant a monster. And they're like, what the fuck are you playing? It's so bad. I love, I mean, I love the game. I love both games. Four is still my favorite just because of, you know, the time and it was my first one and all that stuff. I used to do this kind of being like Dark Souls where it's like your first is your favorite. Yeah. I think that's kind of how the Persona series goes is whichever one you played first, that's going to be your favorite one because the games are just so similar, even though they're so different. um But I love how, you know, they shoot themselves in the head with the fake gun, which is ties to the theme of, you know, death. You got to accept that you're dead to summon this thing and stuff like that. The fact that everybody's literally a coffin during the dark hour. yeah Yeah, like it's there's a lot of cool things about it. And then, you know, you're in October, October right now, right?
00:32:21
Speaker
Yes. OK, so what was the last we're going to get into the light spoilers, but I'm not going to say anything after that the quote unquote final shadow yet. oh But I think I'm like a couple of days away from doing it. um And then. I mean, yeah, how spoilery do you want me to go? as much as you want. I think it's I mean, this is a the last big thing that happened was we we we fought off the shadow and then the I can't remember his name the guy with a beanie. Shinji. Yeah, he got fucking capped down in the streets. Yeah, I did. Literally in the back alley. And the kid was having his whole fucking moment. Yeah, it's
00:33:07
Speaker
So as much as I like this remake, there are certain things. So like that cut scene right there, where Akihiko, or not Akihiko, where Shinji gets some- Shinji. See, I don't know why. I don't know if it's because like I haven't spent as much time with this game as the other games. I'm having a hard time remembering their names. Yeah, I mean, it it's just one of those things where, you know, the more you play it or the more more it play you're with it. Yeah. But when he died, It's, I don't know. The cutscenes feel like PlayStation 2, if that makes sense.
Balancing Persona 3 Remake Content
00:33:42
Speaker
It's weird how some are anime and some are game graphics, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know if they did that on game graphics for like a rating reason or whatever. I don't know. But yeah, I see what you mean, where it was...
00:33:58
Speaker
And it's weird, because sometimes I'm playing this remake, and it's like, well, I can definitely tell the quality of life stuff they did. There are times where it's like, it does feel that older gen vibe to it, which doesn't really bother me, per se. It just is what it is. so It's definitely an interesting way to do a remake, because I think they're wanting to be they're wanting to be faithful to the original, and they want you to feel like you're playing the original, but also they want you to like expand on it. And on the one hand, I'm like, Cool, love that. On the other hand, I'm like, I just played Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth and there's so much potential here. Like the maps are so small and empty still because it's a PlayStation 2 game. My thing is like the remake is like the whole point of a remake is it's like your opportunity to like improve upon it and like do better. You know what I mean? Do better, but you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. To enhance it. And so that's why remakes were just one to one I kind of get annoyed with.
00:34:58
Speaker
Yeah, which is isn't a one to one remake, even though when I started playing it, it really felt like a one to one remake just with like some little things. But then, as you were saying, like the shift system where you can it's basically the baton pass, but you don't. yeah ah You don't get like a boost in power unless you unlock certain things. um Like that's really nice. Or the... you like Is like the Monad doors, is that new stuff? So like the the Monad doors are new, which I also appreciate because Tartarus got so tedious back in the day. That's the one thing about Persona 3 where i like I feel like 4 and 5 did better was
00:35:37
Speaker
was i don't I really don't enjoy going through Tartarus that much. i'mnna you know You don't enjoy going through 260 floors. I think that's around where it ends is 260. Okay, well now that I have a stopping point that actually helps me a little bit but touch a grind and I didn't enjoy Mementos in persona 5 and it's just a a wasn't as bad and I think it's because the floors were shorter. Uh-huh In persona 4 the floors were a lot longer, but there's only 10 to 20 of them per area Yeah, there is never a lot
00:36:09
Speaker
And the vibe of Persona 4, I don't know, the music and the vibe of the going through them was so like cool. And then it did not stay as welcome because it was only like, yeah, 10 to 15 floors or whatever it was. Three, it's like, you'll be looking at the same floor for like 50 to 60 levels. And they're, you know, it's like, they're not short, they're long, if you explore all of them, which I have to. on Of course. chest So it's just, yeah, I think a I enjoyed exploring the different areas in Persona 4 and 5 a lot more than Persona 3. Yeah, I remember um I didn't really do Mementos in Persona 5 until the end where you have to. And I remember playing through that and saying like, motherfuckers, just Tartarus again. it's it' They just did the same thing. But yeah, 264.
00:37:01
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total floors in Tartarus.
Exploration in Persona 3 Tartarus
00:37:04
Speaker
That's insane. It's too much. It was, uh, and it's so interesting too. I mean, I get it. And it's an interesting concept of being like, okay, what if for the game, we just have one giant dungeon and like, that's not even where like your main boss battles are because all the ru thing about it is cause it's, it's like you have boss battles there, like kind of mini boss battles. And then the big story boss battles aren't even in Tartarus. Yeah, they're somewhere else. But, you know, i it obviously is not to get too deep, but like there's a purpose where once you get to the top, like.
00:37:37
Speaker
i'm I'm sure there is. And I'm i' am enjoying the whole game. I just noticed like, I enjoy Tartarus a lot less than I do the other stuff in Persona 4 and 5. Yeah. Maybe that would change. Who knows? um It's also the fact that like, I kind of have to wait at certain intervals before I can go back and like mess with my party and Personas. Whereas Persona 4 and 5, you could do that literally at any point you needed to. Yeah. That's the game stuff that I have to get over. And you do get a skill later on that lets you do it whenever, but... Oh, you do? Yeah. I haven't gotten that skill. Fuka gets a skill that called escape route where you Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Oh, nevermind. I didn't know that. Um, I just don't I don't use her skills as much as I should it was the defense one from time to time. Uh huh. A little wary about this boss and my team's being a little janky. But and then ill obviously the analyze one those are pretty much the only two I really use. Yeah.
00:38:33
Speaker
Do you have a main squad yet? Like, do you just have a default ongoing with these characters? I'm constantly swapping them, dude. I do kind of keep the one girl in my party, the healer one girl. You got that ability on her where it has the SP cost of her healing abilities. And ever since then, I'm like, you got to be in the party. I'm sorry. I can't be the healer. That takes too much SP. I got to be the the big guns. Whenever there's something intense, I got to pull out that big shit. um Yeah. So I tried to switch out my party members, but I'm really bad about that. I just kind of do my group and then that's it. Yeah. And I'm also trying to like, I'm trying to find like a good mix of characters and see which ones I like and which ones. I will say I don't use Junpei that much.
00:39:22
Speaker
now I feel bad, but I just i just don't. He's fine. Hello. I've been trying to use the robot girl that is physical. And I don't know what it is. And maybe I just need to like, I noticed her defense items. I need to get her some more items to upgrade her stats. Yeah. It just gets bodied a lot. She does damage, but nothing like, like my character can use strength, certain strength personas and just do more damage that she does for physical. Yeah.
00:39:52
Speaker
You know what I mean? So absolutely um ironically, ah what I really like is the kid and the dog. I love both of them. And I kind of wish I could have them. I wish you could have five people and I could have like the perfect team. but No, that's that's interesting. because you asking Yeah. So my team is obviously me. I'm there. ah But then I have Yukari, who's the wind healer. yeah I have I guess the robot and then I have Akihiko, the boxer guy. I really like him. He does a lot of cool, he gets criticals a whole lot. And I like Matsuur, the ice girl. Yeah. The problem is I have so many ice personas. I swear that's like, every time I craft a persona, it's it's an ice persona in some way. So it's like, I just don't need her as much as I do like some of the other ones.
00:40:42
Speaker
Yeah, definitely. I think it's also funny because, you know, this is my 15th, 20th playthrough of a Persona game. So at this point, I'm kind of a master of my craft. And like, I don't know, things that I definitely didn't do even the first like five times like the Persona Compendium, I'm at about 70% done with it, because that's I'm like obsessively like getting new personas and crafting things. So the personas I have, and unless it's a new one. So, well, yeah, yeah um it's just a waste if you craft something else.
00:41:17
Speaker
um But I have my personas so varied and decked out to where I can kind of have anyone on my team. Because I guess in Yukari, the wind and the robot, they're both weak to electricity, which isn't the best team, because you want to kind of balance all that out. I noticed that, where I went to a boss fight with those guys, and they all got crit with electricity. I'm like, never again. But it's fine because I'm like, I'm so balanced and strong that I can just equip my persona that reflects electricity. And I know for this one certain boss battle, if they're both kind of decommissioned, I'm still going to wipe the floor. And then as I was telling you the other day, I'm like 15 levels over all the bosses right now. So I'm also just kind of.
00:42:02
Speaker
Crushing things like it's not even fair all the hard boss fights I can just use my normal physical attack and beat them in for For that's what it was a couple months ago like for throughout all the summer I was just like it didn't even feel like boss battles because I was just going through them But I i think I just got burned out on Tartarus and I was like just putting it off And and now I'm getting to the point where it's like, okay. I got to use some strategy a little bit about what to do here and Do you go to Tartarus just once every, ah like once a month?
00:42:34
Speaker
So here's the thing, I don't have to. Like at first I was doing that, but then I realized you don't really need, like you get a lot of evening time. It's the day you got to stress about the evening times. Okay. You can do a couple of visits and be okay. Yeah. Um, but what I typically do is I wait until somebody goes missing. Yeah. Then I explore up until when they're missing because one person will always go missing a few days right before the deadline. Yep. And that's when I'll try and complete. I'll rescue them and try and complete the rest of what I can for Tartarus in that day.
00:43:07
Speaker
Yeah, that's that's usually what I do. I wait till like two days before the full moon. I'm like, all right, everyone who's gone missing is missing now, which it's and that's an article cool thing. It's like your social links will go missing, too. Like they'll kidnap like the old guy from the bookstore and things like that girl I just now rescued. Yeah, which I wasn't really reading when she got kidnapped and they even did the thing like if they're lost, it could be a reverse and all that. And I was just clicking through it like, yes, someone got kidnapped, whatever. And then I'm trying to like, you know, get her social link, all phone stuff in it. And there's like a whole week where I'm like, where the fuck is she? Like, she's not popping up. And then I went to Tartarus. I was like, oh, shit, there you are. You've been in the they they get kidnapped because I maxed out both of their social links. And they're there so far, like two of my favorite ones that I've done. um I've I've.
00:43:57
Speaker
I mean, we can go more detail when I've done all of them. i've I've at least started most of them. I think I'm still missing one or two social links. Well, um ah there's one that you don't get until January. Oh, are you serious? And that's I guess, of course it fucking is. And that's, and that's the have like, where you have to max out a stat to start theirs. And I haven't maxed out knowledge, so I haven't done what's your names. Knowledge is Mitsuru's, right? Yeah.
00:44:30
Speaker
Yeah, which I haven't started hers either. um I did start the other twos, but then it was like, Aegis just needs to be more human. and So I was like, do I need to max out all of them to start hers? And that's the thing is like, on your first playthrough, you can't get them all because in January, you have to hang out with her as much as humanly possible, or you're not going to get her to 10. um And even on your second playthrough, when you have like all your social stuff maxed out, Persona 3 is one of those games where you have like four days of air, like three or four days. Here's the thing, it's like, I i could have like just forgone certain things, like certain of those, ah because they have these not socially, but like just events between your party members, the other hand party members, and you get stuff for doing that. And they're really cool story moments like,
00:45:24
Speaker
Like the one guy who died, I did all of his and then I just had one where I had to go clean out his room and I saw a really cool moment and I got an end game reward for it, which is like a new persona I confuse. So it's like, I want to do those and I'm glad they're there, but you know, those take up day slots. Yeah, yeah yeah exactly. And those are things too. So those are new to the remake where they did like, I figured it's it's their answer for not having social links for Shinji and Ken and I can kind of compromise because I do enjoy doing those. I really enjoyed the dark ones.
00:45:57
Speaker
Yeah, me too, the Kormaru ones. um No, i I like it because that was the problem with three I always had was like, I beat the game and I was like, oh, that was fun and cool. They're kind of strangers still, you know, like everyone in my group is still kind of a stranger. But with this, it really feels like it's got that dorm vibe where you're reading together or watching movies or cooking together and then you're doing all these other little things and it's just fleshing it out. So i I really appreciate how they did that. That does add a lot, I agree. Yeah, I wanted to mention too. So you're talking about like going to Tartarus multiple days and things like that. I think this is something that's like instilled in me from the older versions. And the old versions of the game, they had a tired system, where when you're playing through, your party members would get tired, not from lack of anything, like that
00:46:49
Speaker
Yeah, but they'd be like, I'm tired, I'm going away. And then they would just leave your party. And then the next day, you couldn't go to Tartarus again, because you'd be like, you're too tired to go. Oh, yeah, that's not a thing at all in this game. No, is they took all that out. And that's why it's interesting, because there's still moments in the game where like you're in class, and it's like, there's a lecture, but you feel
Persona 5 and Stat Management
00:47:10
Speaker
sleepy. Do you want to sleep? And if you sleep, you just get like some guts or something like that. But in the original, if you slept, it would change your status from tired to good. um
00:47:20
Speaker
ah So you could like fall asleep in class to raise your status, but now you just ah get a little stats boots. i I don't know if it's because there's only three stats you have to manage now, but I feel like maxed them out was a lot easier in this game than it wasn't the other games. and Definitely. it I don't know about you, but on five I was stressing on my stats. Yeah, I just went to the um cafe shop and worked there a ton. Dude, I worked there a shit ton. Yeah, working there at the arcade, um those yeah URLs. um And yeah, when you hang out with the dorm members, it's kind of a two for one. So three for one, if you unlocked one of them as a social link, because you get a stat, you get to increase their a little story thing, it'll get a new ability. And then if you're a social link, you'll get a little point for them.
00:48:10
Speaker
No, definitely. It's it's it's good. It's one of those things where I needed to get more into it to see all the new stuff. Because at first I was like, is this just another Atlas cash
Persona 3 Reload Social Links
00:48:21
Speaker
grab? Because they did the remake. remake It wasn't a remake. It was a remaster. But of the arena games that they released for Switch and PlayStation 4 and those weren't great. I mean, they were fine, but they felt really just half-assed put together. And I mean, this one just graphically alone looks a lot better. Oh, yeah, 100%. But um first impressions are, and I haven't been it yet. Like you said, I'm still in October, but I'm really enjoying it. I'm really enjoying.
00:48:50
Speaker
almost all of the social links. I know you said there was some that you could tell it's their first time. And that's kind of true, but for the most part, I'm still, there's always some social links in each of the Persona games where like, I don't really care about you. It's like the drama, the drama girl in four, or the band girl in four, where you're like- The drama girl was so drama that I couldn't take it seriously. Also the the the the moon girl in four, Yeah. Uh-huh. I can't remember her name, but the girl who was like the manager, I didn't care about her at all. Her name is Ai. Her name is Ai. Yeah. Yes. Whereas the manager in this game, I'm like, like the, I'll say this to every person on the track team. I love the track team. Okay. So this is very important and this will lead to lots of judgment. Who, who, who's the best girl?
00:49:45
Speaker
I really. Are you shipping? Who are you trying to enter that special relationship with in three? Okay, give me a second because a certain feline decided to bargain. So here's the thing. Here's the thing. It was a struggle in this game, Andrew. If you say that I'm a preschool girl, I'm going to have to block you. But the, the girl I chose for my play through was, uh, for once I went with the first girl, the, the healer girl, um, Fuka. No, not for- Oh, Yukari? Yukari. Oh, you went with Yukari. Okay, okay. She is the lover's arcana, so. Yeah, she is the lover's one. She did the thing where she's like within the hospital when you paint it out. She was the first, woke your first persona. Like, you know what? I'm gonna go Yukari. I wanna go Fuka, and I really like the strength girl. If it wasn't one of the party members, it might've been the strength girl. I was gonna say, Yuko is the only answer.
00:50:42
Speaker
who is the who's the strength girl. She's the team manager. yeah it It was honestly between those two. Like that's what that's what it got down to. You go to my party member. I'll go ahead and do it. You go has my heart and soul forever. She is. I love her social link. And that's the thing was like, the track team has all these cool moments. It's because not only is there, yeah, two social links in that track team, but you get a whole summer theme involved in the track theme. You have a lot of like things that pop up here and there. You meet your, the other, want the rival or whatever. through Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just like, I enjoy the track team more than any club in Persona 4, you know? Yeah, there's definitely a lot more because Persona 4 wasn't as fleshed out. It was more like, but those one, it just felt like those were gateways to a social link. Whereas this one, I feel like I'm actually part of a team. You know what I mean? Like I'm actually in a thing. Yeah, definitely. It was a little disappointing. Because
00:51:37
Speaker
I think it was archery, too. But in Persona 3 Portable, you had the option to choose track archery or swim club. ah And them taking away those other options to only be track. I get it because there's so much tied around. Although you could I feel like you could easily just do some like costume swaps and things like that. Like it wouldn't be that hard. just have everyone coincidentally be in swim club now instead of track. But there's a lot of dialogue. There's a lot of like, even like the guy who's running and like his leg hurts and things like that. Would that make sense for swimming? And maybe you can do it. Yeah, you can do it though. you One of those things are like, I guess I'll buy that. Yeah, but
00:52:23
Speaker
I don't know. I was very disappointed that those were like some options because they added a lot in Persona 3 Portable that just aren't here. This really is a remake of Persona 3. And I knew that going into it and that's why I'm like for the most part okay with it. And while I know you're upset that they're doing $30 for the answer, I'm kind of excited that they're at least coming out with that because that was amazing. It's like I really wanted to play that extra DLC or whatever that is. so Yeah, and it's not that I'm necessarily upset. It's just one of those things of like, how they're doing is the pricing. I get it. I get it. Yeah. You're taking a game that's 20 years old, and then you've remade it twice. You only remade the original version, but now you're selling
00:53:08
Speaker
the remake version which you could have just remade to begin with for over half the price of the game it's like these were if they remade all of it and charge like 70 bucks for it i don't think anybody would have been upset no i mean absolutely not and that's why i'm like It just, cause they came out with that whole, they had like a developer thing and stuff like that. And they're like, you know, we've been working on this for five years. And they're like, we didn't do the female protagonist because we don't want to spend, you know, eight years working on this game and stuff like that. And it just seems like a bad management. Like you could have easily, if they're making, and I hate to keep comparing this, but I'm going to keep comparing it just cause it's there.
Atlus Game Development Critique
00:53:49
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They're making Final Fantasy seven rebirth in three years.
00:53:53
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But it took you five years to remake the original Persona 3? That's a management problem. Yeah. like It's like very unpredictable whenever we'll get something from them, because yeah you just don't know. And maybe it's their team size, because Atlas has always been a smaller studio. And obviously, you know they they have so much cash now. And I'm a fan now. And like i want to after this, I want to go and play the new Shin Megami Tensei 5. Because I really wanted to play that game, but playing it on the Switch was a nightmare. On the Switch. Yeah, I just got that for PS5. And I'm excited. Once I beat reload, I'm going to take a break so for the new game plus. And I'm going to go to SMT 5. I was thinking about doing the same thing.
Switch Performance Issues
00:54:34
Speaker
i've always dabbled on them me as s and t five as a gift but i just can't play it on the switch dude its just it's just i don't know if you've ever played on the switch it runs It runs bad. like i like That stuff doesn't usually bother me, and it bothers me. Which is wild, because it was exclusive for Switch. I know. So it's like, what are you doing? My Switch is just extra bad, because I noticed iSwitch is starting to hit its little lifeline, because I noticed on a Fire Emblem Engage, if I would play it docked for over an hour or two,
00:55:09
Speaker
It would overheat and I'd have to really, and it would be consistent, like over an hour and I'm risking overheating while docs. Is yours a 2017 model? Yeah. It's the launch thing. Yeah. Well, that OLED man, it's worth it. Just for the graphics alone. Yeah. Sorry, my cat keeps opening my door and I have to keep closing it. No, it's fine. It's kind of like one of those things where I kind of wish you didn't say anything about it. So the people watching would be like, what is he doing? Why does he keep getting up? You can just like make me go violent. You can just bleep what I said. that Sorry, just bleep. And you're like, I can't put that on there. Edit in something like what is he up to?
00:55:55
Speaker
All right, I think we'll leave Persona 3 there and we'll reconvene. Yeah, is like I still haven't beaten it, right? so yeah still have yet to So it's kind of just the first impressions. i do I don't want to say whether I like it more than or less than either. I can say certain things I like more or less, but overall, I don't want to make that statement quite yet.
Voice Acting in Persona 3 Reload
00:56:14
Speaker
Yeah, I will say this even with like persona 3 alone with this different versions But like as persona as a whole I even a couple days ago I went and played persona 4 on the ps2 which I haven't really played a lot of just cuz I'm like I always have golden There's something about every version that I like. Yeah, like it it doesn't i do want to ask you What do you think of the voice acting and reload because I know they did they changed them. It took a while Yeah yeah um
00:56:43
Speaker
Whenever I started playing it, it took a while to get used to. Just because that original cast for Persona 3, they were there in 3, Fez, Portable, Q, Arena, Arena Ultimax. Like they were there the whole, it was the same voice actors. And then they're finally changing. And I like them. I still hear the original voice actors' voices sometimes, like when I'm reading things, even though I really appreciate that it's all voice acted, too. Everything is voice acted. It's really cool, actually. Love that. I'm nervous. I really appreciate that. I'm nervous about four. I'm really nervous. About what? The inevitable whenever they remake four.
00:57:24
Speaker
ah Really cuz that cast but they had some actors are still in work for that voiced for you know, I mean, oh no, absolutely like You know ah infamously they replace replace Chie but Aaron Fitzgerald is a fantastic boy yeah voice actress Troy Baker Yeah, um yeah you have like Troy in there you have Yuri Lowenthal like there's just they got so many big voice actors before they were big Troy's the big one too. Yeah And it's like Even, I don't know, I feel like that voice acting cast more than Persona 3 is kind of perfect. And they're probably going to change them. So we'll see. But this does make me excited for a potential Persona 4 remake, which i they're absolutely going to do because Reload has sold quite well. Well, and as somebody who didn't.
00:58:17
Speaker
play, you know, three. Um, I actually really liked the voice acting Junpei, especially that guy has having way too much fun with his role. It's pseudo Bill and roll. Yeah. So I can't tell you how many times I just listened to them and enjoy the voice acting. Now it's really good. So how you felt since you had the original, I know that was kind of a point of contention for some people. Yeah, I mean, it's it's nothing bad. And I totally understand. like Again, the game's almost 20 years old. So it's like, yeah. you're going to People have moved on. They're doing different things and more expensive. Whatever.
00:58:50
Speaker
um but it was it was just something to get used to. I wasn't like, how dare you change the voices? This is anarchy. I'm like, yeah I'll get used to it. Akihiko's is probably the one that's the biggest change. I don't know if you've heard his original voice actor, but if you do like a side by side, his he became a little more deeper, a little more gruffly. um Again, not bad, but they definitely went with style, not try to sound like the original person. I think that's probably the way to go. I agree. Okay, we'll come back to this in a couple months whenever we're being it. um Roger, as you know, we've been doing this list of top 100 games that's gonna kill us, but we're committed now.
00:59:34
Speaker
ah so So... Real quick, sorry. I mean, we can go ahead and do that. Do you know about the Shadow of Urchery kind of controversy that's been going around?
Elden Ring DLC Discussion
00:59:44
Speaker
So no, but you know what? You've been playing Eldering, so we can why don't we talk a little bit about that? OK. Just a second here. Cat. For those who don't know, a Shadow of Eldry. Do you have something you want to contribute? contribute
01:00:03
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No. OK. Yeah, now he leaves. That's stage fright. Um, so yeah, I've been playing a lot of, so I did a whole new play through of Elden Ring to prepare for the DLC because my game plus five or whatever. Yeah. And I learned my lesson back in Dark Souls, the Dark Souls three days when I did the ring deal, the ring city DLC on new game plus four and got my ass handed to me.
01:00:26
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So a lot of, but the thing is a lot of people didn't do that. And a lot of people win the DLC new game plus 10 level six to 700. And in this DLC, you're, you're leveling matters, but it's, but it's also different. It's also like, you have to get these things called the skirt tree fragments. yeah They are kind of your new leveling system. um Because the way well-leveling works in Souls games is it kind of drops off at a certain point where it becomes like diminishing returns. ah huh um So they kind of got their own pseudo-leveling system in the DLC specifically. So when you first get there, it's not like being a level one character, but it's kind of like being a level one character where you got to collect these things to get stronger. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it just wrecked ah wrecked a lot of people.
01:01:18
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And so the controversy right now is, DLC is too hard, you know? Which is interesting because I think Dark Souls and Elder Ring to lesser extent- I think it's Elder Ring is much bigger than any other From Software games. Yeah, that's what- A lot of new people. That's what I was gonna say is, you know, being ah You know observant of the franchise because I haven't really played them I told you I think yesterday where was like I've played all of them like skirted the edges Yeah, I've always tried them out and be like Maybe this is the one but playing through all of them It was very evident to see especially when it came to Dark Souls 3 that they got more accessible like Dark Souls 1 was hard and Demon's Souls was hard. I don't think Dark Souls 3 is the best one to get into because it's the most like easiest, not easiest Souls game, but like in terms of like figuring out what to do, where to go, how to play it, it's the best one for that. And I even would say it's the easiest. like There are little things like when you swing your sword, it doesn't hit the wall.
01:02:19
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and As silly as that sounds, it makes the original, the other games harder because, you know, you have to like spatial awareness and things like that. So it was like, it was the biggest one. It was, quote unquote, easiest, even though it wasn't an easy game. It was still like the most accessible. Yeah. And it brought in. It brought in a lot of people and then he had games like um Sekiro and Bloodborne and even Eldering to an extent where none of them were kind of as hard as the original Demon's Souls or Dark Souls games. like I felt like they kind of always had that line of you're able to do things and you're able to beat enemies. You're gonna struggle with the boss battles but you could at least play a few hours where you know youre you're feeling pretty good about yourself.
01:03:06
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And yeah the thing is, is like with those games, they're kind of like just old RPGs or JRPGs in general, where once you know the mechanics of the game, it becomes trivial. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's completely Demon's Souls and Dark Souls 1. And that becomes less so as the series goes on. And just my viewpoint, because I haven't played the DLC yet, because I'm only like three hours into Elden Ring. I'm like, I'm like, I don't know. I'm like halfway through it, I think. Yeah, really fun. There's a lot of bosses that are fast. And, you know, they can do the expand things and whatnot. But I don't know, that's Elden Ring at this point. The controversy is it's too hard every half the fan base is like, this is just from soft to stop complaining and grab the flag, stop playing specific ways and just use summons or what the game gives available to you.
01:03:54
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Yeah, this is such a controversial like, like line and theandus ofine so silly and then the other half is like, Oh, no, I'm on new game. Plus part of it is, is I think that a lot of people made as making the first time mistake that we've all made is going into the DLC on new game plus whatever, and just getting one shot by everything. ah Whereas people like me who've learned their lesson from other games, there's like no new new character starting over. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think that's, I think that's what it comes down to. It's like, it's kind of bringing back the whole get good thing of like, you're trying to just play it. From software, it's always been tougher than the base game. That's always been a thing. Yeah, which makes sense. Like, for their game specifically, it would be weird if it wasn't harder, because that's kind of the whole stick of the game is, this is hard. But yeah, for a while, like on Steam, it brought it down to mixed. Yeah, mixed reviews.
01:04:52
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Which, you know, it's, I heard there are performances too with the PC port, so I kind of get that. But also, it's just people crying and complaining. which I understand, like people show rage in a lot of different ways and it's like, you're stuck on the same boss for five hours and you keep dying? Yeah, you're gonna be pissed off and go back, and I hate this game, negative review. And then, you know, a week later, either you change something or you finally figure it out or something, it's like, okay, no, it's, There's awesome. I can't tell you how many times in these games where i would I would literally take a break for a few hours and come back and be at the first first or second try. ah you don't You don't realize it in the moment. You don't think you're you're tilted. You are. And I can't tell you how many times. It's so it's it's kind of sad but how many times a break would literally just just it just make me a better player.
01:05:42
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No, it's been interesting to see. It's been kind of funny to see too, because whenever sweaty, sweaty gamers, question though I've been loving the DLC. Yeah, a lot. Good bosses are cool. The music's insane. They said it's the size of like the first area of El Noreen. That was a lie. I mean, it's actually like your fucking faces. That thing is fucking huge. Yeah. And it's got like three to four layers on top of it too. So the map is basically useless because like you look where you want to go and that's not actually how you get there. You have to go under two levels up one level. yeah You actually got to go to the right for 10 miles and then go through a cave to get to the area you want to get to. Sounds sounds like I don't know. I want to play it and I want to get into it because not only because, you know, video games and I just like the experience and different things, but also because it's kind of this like ice right now, of like
01:06:33
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though everyone's playing the Elder Ring DLC. It's like, oh, I want to play the Elder Ring DLC. It's like, wait, that means I have to play Elder Ring. I'm not good at that game. Yeah. And you can't even go in the DLC until you've like beaten two of the the mid to late game bosses. yeah Yeah. Like you had to get pretty far into the game. So I'm like, maybe one day, maybe. I just need to find that drive and dedication and sit down. is The thing about those games is you do have to be in the mood for those games. And if you're not here for those games, then you're just going to have a bad time. And unfortunately for me, I trend more towards JRPGs, which is nothing like Souls games at all. But that's OK. The stat distribution is very old school. That's what I like about them. Yeah, yeah. I mean, there's definitely those that DNA is inside there somewhere. But yeah, I don't know. Maybe one day, probably. I haven't installed, so.
01:07:34
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Probably get around to it. All right. And in 2012, you guys had a hell of a time picking games for that one. We did. So to recap, I guess, for 2012, we picked
Top Games of 2011 and 2012
01:07:45
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Journey. Really, Jake, who were you put on here? Well, some of these are from Jake. I think some of these are from Jake. For 2012, we put Journey, Persona 4 Golden, Fire Emblem Awakening, Max Payne 3, Borderlands 2, The Walking Dead, Cave Story, Counter Strike Go, and then Pokemon Black White 2. And again, these are just this is just the, we're gonna narrow this list down. Yeah. This is the first draft. Yeah. um Because things like Max Payne 3, I can promise you, as good of a game as it is, not one of the 100 best games ever, right? Yeah, i don't I don't think so either. um Now, 2011.
01:08:23
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If you recall, 11, 11, 11. Yep. that And it's got to go on there. it Yeah. I'm sorry. It has to. What an iconic, for those that don't know. It's still being released today. It has to. That's when Skyrim Elder Scrolls V came out. And what an iconic release date, too. 11, 11, 11. Yeah. They're like. Yeah, they clicked with that one. They knew what they were doing. They're like, listen, everyone's going to know our release date. And it was like, you're right, Todd. You're right. um Uncharted 3. You think it belongs on here? Nah, I think Uncharted 2. If we're gonna do Uncharted, I think 2 is the big one. I agree. Or 4.
01:09:05
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Yeah, so I'm my thought processes back in the day, it was always which is better two or three. And it's kind of like what you're talking about with persona before was like, well, kind of depends on which one you played first. Yeah, some people say three is a better game. Some people say two is a better game. But I think even with that, like, thought process, two is probably the better game then because it came out before three. So threes just kind of had to jump. Yeah. And even then, I think 4 is probably the best out of all of them. Yeah, I think 4 is very representative of what current Naughty Dogs is too. Yeah. I'm trying to three though. Portal 2 is good to go. Yeah, Portal 2. You can make an argument whether the first or second one should go. I think it's the second one. It's the second one. Absolutely, it's the second one. It's not even close. Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3.
01:09:57
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No, it's Modern Warfare 1 or 2. And me personally, I would say 2. I'd say 2 as well. I think 2s. Between that, Black Ops are two of the best Call of Duty games ever, right? Now, the Arkham games, do those de deserve a spot on the top 100? And if they do, which I think they should, because they basically brought an entire combat style and revived an entire genre of video games, which in the superhero genre. um Are we doing Arkham City or Arkham Asylum?
01:10:28
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Do we do Arkham Knight? Do we have one of the Arkham games on here? I don't think we put Arkham Knight on there. Yeah, I think it's gonna be Arkham City, Arkham... Asylum. And that's gonna be another one where I personally think Arkham City is the better game and the bigger game and the better game. The better game and the bigger game and the better game and the... But Asylum started it all, you know? That's true, but we're looking at the best game. So I'm gonna put City. Okay. And I'm gonna take your word because I don't have enough experience with these games. Okay, um City just took everything Asylum did and just did it better and more. Then there you go. And there's the thing I like about City is it didn't take away, like, you know how you would go through Asylum and you'd find upgrades and like, stuff like that. City didn't take away those upgrades. It just gave you more. Oh, nice. I always- For your tool belt.
01:11:15
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That's always the funniest thing whenever you like have a game where you're like like Final Fantasy 7, where you level everything up, you get all this stuff, and then the next game starts, and you're back to nothing. And you're like, did I just lose it? Drop it? What happened? It's like RPGs, too. you know When you're yeah rpg the net you're the same character, and you're level 100 characters back to level one. like That's great. What they usually do is like they'll put them at level 10 or 15. They're like, oh, look, you have a little experience. Um, 2011 is kind of a weak year, honestly. I'm looking at a lot of- I mean, L.A. Noir is okay, and Dead Space 2 is good, but Dead Space 1 is better. Oh, and Dead Space 2, I mean, you can make an argument, and I wouldn't disagree with you, but I don't know if I want to, like, jump the gun. Like, like, Elder School's Portal and Batman, I'm like, yeah, no, those probably go on there. Outside of that, I'm gonna- I'm gonna throw you a curveball, though.
01:12:11
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possibly the number one on our whole list. Sure. Ocarina of Time 3D. Hear me out. I think a man we aer of time i hear you. Ocarina of Time on 3DS is the better game. But with that game specifically, everybody loves that game. It's not like Everybody loves that game because it is Ocarina of Time. like It is Ocarina of Time that makes everybody like that game. Yes. It's not like some of these other games were like, it's enjoyable because they fix some of the stuff. True. We we put Dark Souls 3 on here. you are You're making some good points. Fine. We'll leave it off. 2011, week year. Which makes sense because most- Oh, dude. Dude, the original Dark Souls. Do you think it belongs on here?
01:13:08
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2011 yeah we have Dark Souls 3 on here so that and Sekiro so that's the yeah we're already kind of getting full on the whole and Elden Ring we oh wow wow honestly if we have Elden Ring on here I would say we need to take Dark Souls 3 off
01:13:29
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OK, again, this is the same argument. Dark Souls, even though Dark Souls wasn't the first Demon's Souls was, Dark Souls is the reason Souls games exist. But I think they've really perfected that style of gameplay down the line. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. But it feels weird not putting it on here. I don't think it goes on here. OK, all right. we We have Elden Rean. We have Dark Souls 3, which I think some people are, I think that there's ah there's an argument between which one's better, three or the original. yeah The original has, the thing people forget about the original is the first half of that game is really cool. The second half of that game isn't. There's a lot of gimmick boss fights that are really annoying. Yeah. Well, no one made it to the second half because it was too hard to get to the first half. So yeah, I'm looking at it.
01:14:23
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2011 is a weak year, dude. Hold on. I remember a shit ton of stuff coming on 2011. Maybe that's like a storm. Duke Nukem forever. The crisis games. I don't know. Yeah, it's just the Mortal Kombat remake, reboot, whatever you want to call it that came out. I saw that and I i thought about it. It's still not. You can tell this was the end of a generation. This was like the last year for the Wii. This was like 14 months away from... what would you say I guess when when it comes to Battlefield, we got to put Bad Company 2. Yeah, I think so. It's the best Battlefield. Battlefield 3 is good, but this I mean, the campaign is too... it They just stole from Black Ops. Yeah. Deus Ex Human Revolution, that is a really good game. It's not as popular as any of these other ones, but... Yeah.
01:15:17
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Still want to put a top 100 best game. okays It's a really good game. That's good. I mean, we could throw it on there. Why not? No, no, no, no, no. I'm just trying to like make some arguments here. No, I think that's it. I think just Skyrim Portal 2 and Arkham City for 2011, which I think that's fine. There's weaker years.
E3 and Xbox Showcase Criticism
01:15:45
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That was the phone. yeah Okay. um Yeah, I would have thought I would have thought there'd been so much more personally. Man, of course, I love Legend is out of Zelda, but no, there's no arguments for Skyward Sword. God bless. I mean, Skyward Sword did a few cool things. I like how they characterize Zelda and Link and like it felt more of a. So 2010, we got Black Ops, we got Bioshock, Red Dead, Super Mario Galaxy, Mass Effect, New Vegas.
01:16:17
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We got our work cut out for 2010. That was a good year. That was a good year. Dante's Inferno, do you remember that? Oh, I remember. Dragon Age Origins. All right. Roger, I told you at the beginning of the show before you started recording that. I wasn't going to do a script. Now, I know it's dead, but you know I'm an old person, so I'm going to call this E3 for the next 20 years. E3 happened. um
01:16:43
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anything that piqued your interest, anything that you might have caught or saw. Honestly, I watched this day to play. I watched half the Xbox show, but there's something, there's a rage that builds in me when I watch these Xbox showcases because it's, and I understand it's all advertising. For me, I just, I have a hard time remembering um what they announced and stuff. Yeah,
Excitement for New Mario and Zelda
01:17:07
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I stopped watching the Xbox Showcase because it's just such an advertising for Game Pass. That's all they care about is Game Pass. Every single game that pops up, Game Pass. that and it It infuriates me so much that that's all they care about that I stopped watching halfway through. But they had a good Showcase though. What?
01:17:26
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Xbox, they had a good showcase. Like, everyone said, like, it was the best Xbox show in a decade. Everybody I know was like, oh, like, here's a word game. Yeah, I remember those games. I always wanted to play them like nobody's. Nobody like dislikes them, but nobody's really gone through it. and Like, nobody's a huge fan. yeah There are people like my dad that just like playing the horde mode. Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah, I mean. From everything I saw, and again, I didn't watch a ton of it. like I didn't watch the actual showcase, um the but Summer Games Fest with Jeff Keeley. No, I watched a lot of the other stuff. After the game awards, I was like, I can't do this again.
01:18:06
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ah At least not right. Not this close. I need a break from you. Um, but I watched the state of play. Astro Bot looks amazing. Yeah, that looks kind of neat. Um, it looks, it looks like the first game. And I say this after playing like the built-in packing game and all that stuff. It looks like the first game that I'm, I look at him like this is an actual Mario rival. Like this looks like it has the quality, the music, the graphics, the charm. I want there to be a Mario rifle, but I'm skeptical about it. Yeah. You played the demo, though, right? Or the packing game. Yeah. It was really good. And this just looks like they're taking that and cranking it up to 100.
01:18:52
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um Nintendo, new Zelda game that I saw, which I'm really excited for. The bond of something. Echoes of Wanda. Yeah, that's what it was. Yeah, you finally get to play as Zelda. And of course, Nintendo being Nintendo, she can't have a sword. No, it's a wand. Yeah, her gimmick is um which at first I was like, OK, but then it makes sense because they're they even said in the trailer, like you she's the triforce of wisdom. So you got to use wisdom. And her whole thing is that you can find them giving them separate powers and abilities and stuff. No.
01:19:31
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um But it seems a lot more puzzle based, which I like because I feel like that's something that Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom kind of lack a lot in are the puzzles. um So it's kind of going back to that classic Zelda figure it out. It's got a lot of Link Between Worlds vibes. I mean, obviously, Link's Awakening, too, because, you know, same art style and stuff like that. But I got a little- It has really grown on me. I did not like it when I first saw it. Yeah. It's really grown on me. No, I like it as this is the new de facto 2D Zelda style. I think it's good. We didn't get Twilight Princess or Wind Waker. I know, dude. Don't remind me. It's all I want.
01:20:16
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and for the new Zelda game though. That looks, that but I'll get it probably. It looks neat. Yeah. Um, I think I just remember a lot of this stuff cause it was Nintendo, but new Mario party, which I'm excited for. There's like six boards this time, which I don't, I don't understand why they're always so just put like 10 in there. Like why, why are we doing like four or five or something like that? But, um, Bring back some classic boards from like two and three and things like that. I like Mario Party, so that's cool. I'm kind of like whatever on that game. That's just a neat, fun game to play with friends. Yeah,
Diablo 4 and Path of Exile 2
01:20:51
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it's it's a social game. I'm not going to be one of those people that I think Jake like played a lot by himself and like unlocked other the things. stuff I'm like, I don't think I could ever play Mario Party by myself. I did a little bit back in the GameCube days because all I had was free time. So yeah, what else are you going to do? Yeah.
01:21:07
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um what else was i feel like there's a i mean there was a lot that was announced but there's a lot in the xbox showcase and the uh the state of play um you're coming to console is kind of huge i really hope that's a diablo killer yeah that game looks awesome yeah it's got local diablo 4 turned out i'm like thank god they're bringing that to console are you saying that because diablo 4 did so well in console or Well, Diablo 4 had that controversy, didn't it? Where it was like, it was good, and then it wasn't good, or? I didn't care for Diablo 4. And I've been getting frustrated with Diablo for a while now. So this is like actual competition that I'm really in, because it did do well. You're right. It did work because they put it on console. That's why I'm glad they're putting PathX. Because PathX, that was kind of the main, like, competition. competitor. Yeah. Yeah. That's cool. I actually have been playing. I played a little of Diablo 2 on my PlayStation.
01:22:05
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Uh, pretty recently. And I just, there's something about that classic Blizzard music, you know, like Starcraft and, um, Warcraft and even Diablo two. It's just like, there it's just that era, but it's so good. Cause it's so
New Doom Game Speculation
01:22:22
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weird. Um, but yeah, I'm always looking for, cause I still haven't played Diablo four, but I just heard such a mixed bag. There's some people that absolutely love it. There's a lot of people who are like, I did like it and then he fucked it up. Well, in season one dropped and they nerfed all the builds and people were pretty upset about that. Yeah. And then it's also Blizzard, which they suck. When it's over. um New Doom game. Yeah, that looks cool. the Going back to ah
01:22:59
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medieval knights type of era for Doom, which is cool. I feel like this is now the point. And I don't wanna be like, ah, it sucks, because it doesn't. Doom Eternal was fucking fantastic. But I feel like by the third game, a lot of the charm and appeal of it, because when Doom 20, what was it, 2014, 2016, ah whenever the It was around there. Whenever the reboot happened, it was so good because it was such a reimagining and revitalization of Doom. But now we're on the third game of that same type of style. I think that's why it's smart for them to do like the medieval theme to kind of give it and kind of a, you know, I don't know, fresh coat of paint is right phrase, but, you know, yeah, try and switch it up a little bit. No, definitely. And I'm wondering how far they can take this.
01:23:55
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Yeah, which that's exactly what it is. And it's like, I think that works perfectly. But then do they even have plans for not to, you know, put the cart before the horse, but like, what are you gonna do for the next one? Are you
Mixed Reactions to Game Trailers
01:24:06
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gonna stick with the gimmicks? Are you gonna go back to do something completely new? I feel like the franchise life is kind of like, it was like with um Wolfenstein, where they did the remake. And then like, you can only do so much before it gets derivative. Wolfenstein is everybody really liked the first two games. And then they just it just kind of stopped, you know? I know they had that spin-off that people didn't really care for, but it wasn't like so bad that it should have killed the franchise, you know? Yeah, I know. I don't know. theres It was interesting. But um yeah, they showed Fable. Fable looks cool. Fable looks neat. I would still like some more gameplay. but um yeah And then also, I can't remember if this was at Xbox or what this was at, the new Dragon Age game.
01:24:55
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That was at Xbox. I missed that one, actually. I tuned in, like, right after they had shown it. And I still haven't seen the trailer, but I heard people going, uh... That was the reaction. Because... Did you see the trailer? Yeah. um The Vale Guard, that's what it was. Yeah, what's your... What's your... It was still pretty cinematic, so I still feel like I don't have a whole lot to go off of. Originally, it was supposed to be Dread Wolf, and I guess it changed it. Well, and it makes sense. This game's been in development for almost a decade now. like they ah Something happened, and they restarted development, changed everything. Yeah. um i don't I don't know. I don't really have any, like, I'm just kind of like, OK. I'm just kind of like, OK? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was pretty much a cinematic trailer. I still don't have much gameplay to go off, so.
01:25:41
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i think I think that's my problem with Xbox 2, where people are so quick to forget get the past because they want to be hyped. Most of the things, they had a two-hour showcase, and granted, you know you had Bethesda in there, you had Activision in there, you had Blizzard in there, all these companies that they bought, so like their showcase is huge now. And that's cool. But then like, when they're showing their games and they showed everything, they showed Perfect Dark for the first time, which I thought was kind of neat, actually. Yeah, different from the original. I was like, this looks interesting.
01:26:16
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But I've just been burned so many times by Xbox. And most of these trailers were cinematic trailers, like you're saying. And I'm like, how could anyone? It just only shows you so much. Yeah. How could anyone who's played on Xbox the last decade look at any of these trailers and go, that's a home run. That's a hit.
Concerns Over Silent Hill 2 Remake
01:26:35
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They've proven nothing aside from Forza that they're games. I'm excited for State of Decay 3.
01:26:43
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It wasn't even stated K2, like a fucking mess. Um, I think at launch it was. Yeah. Yeah. Like it was broken or something at launch. And I just like, it was a fun co-op zombie. sure Yeah. And I think at the end of the day, most of these games will be good, but I just have a really hard time watching them and being like, Oh, I'm going to be excited for fable, but this is X-Box. So I'm like, I mean, it's just like, I still haven't seen enough, you know? Exactly like you're not showing me enough of any most of the games. They didn't really show Anything at all, and I'm like I'm gonna need gameplay I'm coming on to the point where I just don't like to watch trailers as much anymore anyways Yeah, I've heard Silent Hills 2 has gone a lot of controversy. Oh my gosh I where I that it's a PlayStation exclusive. I think so much No, it's fine. I mean that's what we're doing. It's just bouncing around but um I
01:27:38
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I actually ah recently picked up Silent Hill 2 for the PS2 because there's no way that you can play that game digitally. It's only available on the disc. And the reason I did that was because this is purely from Optics, but first off, Bloober Team. I hate them. I don't think they're a good studio. I think they've only made bad games. ah Layers of Fear, Layers of Fear 2, they were the ones that did that launch Xbox game that was fucking terrible as well. ah which well What was that one called?
01:28:09
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Let me see, I will let you know in approximately three seconds. Three, two, the medium. Oh, I forgot about that game. Everyone did because it
Metal Gear Solid 3 Remake Anticipation
01:28:20
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wasn't that good. And they did the Blair Witch game, which was fine. But it wasn't that good. I heard it was okay. That's all they've ever done are okay games. And for some reason, people think Silent Hill 2 is going to be good. Even though everything I've seen from it, it just looks off. It looks weird. There's been a lot of warning signs with it. Yeah. Where off is a good word. Where it's just like, I don't know. Tons of red flags. And I feel like people are just like, I don't know if it's denial. I don't know if they just want it to be good. Some people genuinely like Bloober Team, which I think is fucking insane. But I've heard layers of fear has their fan base. Yeah, it has their fan base.
01:29:05
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But everything I've seen from Silent Hill 2 is like, this does not look great. um But we'll see. but maybe it's Maybe it's going to be really good. I don't think it will be, but maybe. I'm kind of with you, honestly. There's a lot of just red flags but that's been popping up, where it's just like, I don't know. I don't know if we should get that excited for it. Yeah. um oce But ever since then. Well, that's because it's Silent Hill 2 and you're like, oh, yeah, it's an amazing game. But then the more you dig into it, the more you see you're like. Oh, it's like nothing like hardcore, like, oh, no, but everything is like, OK. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:29:54
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But you never know, maybe they're just bad at advertising, but I'm sure they're not. Saw some Metal Gear Solid 3 gameplay. Yeah. The more I see about that game, that game looks fucking awesome. Yeah, exact opposite. That one looks pretty neat. They released something recently where they said like, they're bringing like, there's like classic filter mode. So the game looks like it did back on the PS2 and GameCube or whatever. I don't and don't know what the platforms came out on. um And then they have like modern mode and stuff like that. They have classic controls or modern controls. They have classic camera and modern camera. So it's like, they're really giving you those options to be like, if you want to play this like the original, you can do that. Or if you want
Upcoming Games and Ubisoft Discussion
01:30:33
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it modernized, which I think, I don't know, the last time you played those Metal Gear games, they need modernized.
01:30:39
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i have I haven't played them. They're another series I need to go through. Dude, try playing MGS2 or 3 today. You can tell. it was that There's that era, and it was the Xbox GameCube PS2 era where they were trying to figure out controls. That's not true. I did play the first the demo, the first one on this little PlayStation disc I had of like 10 different demos for a bunch of games. Yeah. It's, it's interesting. It's my experience. I want to Jake, let me borrow them for a while. And I just never got around to playing them because I'm a bad friend. So I mean, they have the HD collection now that just came out for modern platforms. And yeah, and that's probably what I'll get.
01:31:20
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Yeah, I mean, they've released a lot of different collections actually. It's just not a time of the day, you know? No, I get it. I really do. both games I still haven't finished The Devil and My Cry games that I was talking about. We were just talking about you know Persona going through. Yeah. Just Persona and Elden Ring has taken me. I was about to say, if you're a JRPG fan, just forget it. Not to mention, they just added Octopath Traveler 2 on Game Pass. um So good. Only a few hours into that game. It's so good. so ah Assassin's Creed looks good. Yeah, I've been on on Assassin's Creed. It looks neat. They're finally doing Japan. They're finally doing ninjas and stuff. And I'm like, this is what I've wanted for over a decade. And I haven't I've got I own every Assassin's Creed game. I've been beaten one since three. Nice. And I think same.
01:32:13
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And I tried playing Origins recently, and I really hated it. I really hated it. I was not going to like the Valhalla. Well, I played Odyssey in Valhalla, and I actually like those games. There's some of that Origins, though, where I was like, this is not clicking. um But I feel like those games have gotten better in design and combat things as they've gone on. So I have a lot of high hopes, and everything I've seen from ah this new one, I don't know what it's called. but I'm cautiously optimistic about it. It looks good. The new Star Wars game 2 Outlaws looks pretty sick. Yeah. I'm hoping that it'll be more quality and less Ubisoft, but it is made by Ubisoft. I feel like they've been making an effort lately. They had. And it's also made by the people that did the Division and the Division 2. And I really like those games. I think those are solid games. Ubisoft Call of Duty free to play game that came out.
01:33:09
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I remember it was called, I think it's called X Defiant. It was the name of it. No, but I heard about it. So it was kind of a neat game where it's literally just Call of Duty, but it's also a a kind of a hero shooter. So you play as operatives from Ubisoft's different games. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I remember seeing this. Or from their different games too. So when you said division, that just reminded me of it because they have operators and maps from the division. um it was a neat it's a neat game i actually kind of liked it it's wait it's it's free to play so this makes sense super grindy dude yeah like extremely and the time to kill is really long like you thought like you thought call of duty black ops was bad oh no no dude this reminds me of that one donkey video where she's playing black ops 3 i think and
01:34:00
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I think it's four, actually. Oh, four. And i just like he's testing the headshots on the guy and he wouldn't want to. One, two, three, four, like five shots in the head and then he dies. It's like, what? um Yeah, so I don't think I mean, those were just the big stand out. Obviously, there are dozens of games announced, but those were kind of just the bigger stand outs for me that happened. Same. There's
July Game Releases and Mobile Gaming
01:34:25
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so now. I feel bad because, yeah, nobody cares about Gears of War stuff. It has its fans, but... Age of Mythology looks cool. Yeah, I've always liked those games. um Excited to see that. I feel... I will say this. After that showcase, I'm like, oh, maybe my Xbox does have value. Because we're into year four now, and I think I've played the Xbox a collective like 20 hours. And that's not exaggerating. Like, it has been a dust collector.
01:34:58
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We just need to find some games to play on um Xbox. Just get Elden Ring on el on um Xbox. That's true. the other I mean, that's what it really was, was an investment of, like, I knew there's going to be tons of games on there. And I know there's going to be things like that, too. And yeah, you guys have Xboxes. So we'll find something. But Sea of Thieves. Please, Sea of Thieves. Yeah, see thieves. I swear to god, half my friends like that killed Helldivers, they stopped playing Helldivers because they really see a thieves on um PlayStation. yeah so I got it on PlayStation. like ie Lowkey kind of likes to see thieves.
01:35:39
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Okay, so I want to try something a little different. Instead of going through a whole list of all these games that we'll never hear of or play of again for the new release, I want to try something else. I want to know, do you have an anticipated game for the month of July? Like, what's your most anticipated game that's coming out? Oh, that's coming out? Yeah, and if we need to, we can look up, like, July 2024 video game releases.
01:36:11
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um
01:36:13
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So like a big one for me is Dawn Trail, which is actually already out because I got the early access because I preordered it. um That's the expansion for Final Fantasy 14. Very excited to play that. See, I need to get into that game. um I ah started, I've kind of taken a bit of a break from ESO. Yeah, after your hundreds of hours.
01:36:37
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um Other big releases, Nintendo World Championship is coming out for a Switch, the and NES edition. That game looks cool. um There's one game that I am, that the inner man in me is just disgustingly excited for. And it is definitely my... Yeah, the new NCAA. This is a game, because I've always, I can't resist. I play the new Madden every year eventually. And every year it sucks. Yeah, I know. It's it's bad. The college is a big deal for a while now. But the NCAA games, even back in 2011, 12, 13, and I think NCAA 13 and 14 was the last release. So it's been about a decade.
01:37:24
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But those were always so good. And I think it does have to do with it's just the college vibes and you know you have all the um pomp and circumstance and things like that. And it's just so deeper too, because there's so much more about it. But everything I've seen about this college football game, aside from they took out my mascot mode. So you can't do the mascot, be mascot, at least not yet. Maybe they'll update and stuff. But it looks so good as long as it's not broken. And this is where I'll probably say College Football 2. Just because, like, all these other games, I'm kind of whatever on. But I know people that are going to play that. And I'm very curious. Yeah. I mean, are you? Ooh. Darkest Dungeon 2 comes out on PlayStation 5. That's a big one. I really want to play Darkest Dungeon 2. You dabble in sports, right? You dabble. Yeah, he's a little dabbler.
01:38:18
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um Yeah. I mean, who knows? It looks good. There's some interesting things I'm looking at this list, like Ace Combat 7 for Switch. in One piece. It's definitely, they can begin their redemption arc with this one. Absolutely. This is gonna be EA's, are you for real or are you not for real? It's your first game in 10 years, is it gonna be a broken piece of shit? Hopefully not. but We'll see. Hopefully not. I will say, They've been showing off a little bit of the new Madden, and CWA looks leagues better. Leagues better than Madden. But yeah, I'm excited, especially because KU's football team is like, it was like pretty good last year. So if you look at the top ranks for NCAA, they're in the top 25. I'm like, hell yeah. They're not like bottom tier. We're releasing Resident Evil 7 on iOS. Is that the whole game?
01:39:19
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Yeah, we won't get too deep into this, but they've actually, so some companies have been doing full game releases on iOS. I can't remember, but there are like three or four of them. Resident Evil 7 being one of those. And after like six months a year or something like that, they said out of all those games, they've sold a total of 3000 copies. So it's a thing that they're trying to do, but it's not working. I just, yeah. I mean, listen, the biggest problem with the doing the stuff like that is the battery. i can I just don't play games on my phone because it's just going to kill my battery for other stuff throughout the day. It's also like whoever,
Closing Remarks and Future Plans
01:40:00
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whoever's interested enough to play a game like Resident Evil 7, they have a console.
01:40:07
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yeah There's no one who's like, oh, I want to play Resident Evil 7, but I don't own a video game console or a computer. It's like, yeah, you do. You absolutely do. It's like, almost you're like trapped on a 10-hour flight or something. like I just can't imagine why. you know No, there's no it's it's silly. It's this bigger thing. Xbox recently announced that like Game Pass is coming to the Fire Stick or or Amazon Fire or something like that. and it's like They're pushing for this streaming, and I think it's all going to blow back in their face because Because Sony did this exact same shit a decade ago. Remember when PlayStation Now was on everything? Yeah. It was on everything. And I understand, you know, Internet's better, technology's better, there's more streaming things. It doesn't matter. That wasn't the problem. The problem was no one gives a fucking shit. No one cares. People don't like to stream games, you know? No. It's not really... Even like someone like me who bought a stadium was like, yeah, you know, I want to do the streaming stuff.
01:41:03
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If I have the option to play it downloaded, I'm going to play it downloaded. same so Well, Roger, I think that's all she wrote for this one. I agree. Any other questions, comments? No. I mean, yeah I'm just kind of in the middle of stuff right now, and we can have a full discussion once I've ah fully beaten i'm both what I'm playing, but specifically person Persona 3. Definitely, yeah. and hopefully I'm probably going to beat it within the next week. I'm hoping to. um Yeah, and we can reconvene and maybe we can get some of those other kids on here. But well, thank you so much for joining me in the morning. I feel tired. I think it's because of the show and usually it's like 11 o'clock at night. It's only noon. But I kind of want to go to sleep. So maybe I'll take a nap. You know, nice stop day to do it.
01:41:54
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