"What is more precise than precision? Illusion." I talked with my friend, the scholar Siobhan Phillips [https://www.dickinson.edu/site/custom_scripts/dc_faculty_profile_index.php?fac=phillisi], about Marianne Moore's poem "Armor's Undermining Modesty [https://poetryarchive.org/poem/armors-undermining-modesty/]." 

Siobhan Phillips is a professor of English at Dickinson College, where she teaches courses on American literature of the twentieth and twenty-first centuries, food studies, and creative writing. She is the author of The Poetics of the Everyday: Creative Repetition in Modern American Verse [https://cup.columbia.edu/book/the-poetics-of-the-everyday/9780231520294/] (Columbia UP, 2010) and the novel Benefit [https://www.blpress.org/books/benefit/] (Bellevue Literary Press, 2022). Her essays have appeared in such journals as Contemporary Liiterature, Journal of Modern Literature, Modernism/modernity, Literary Imagination, Twentieth-Century Literature, and PMLA. Her essay on Marianne Moore and the Carlisle Indian Industrial School was published on the website of the Poetry Foundation [https://www.poetryfoundation.org/articles/92768/the-students-of-marianne-moore]. 

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Siobhan Phillips on Marianne Moore ("Armor's Undermining Modesty")

"Do I dare / Disturb the universe?" I've been waiting to record this episode for a long time: Megan Quigley [https://meganquigley.com/], my dear friend and colleague, joins the podcast to talk about T. S. Eliot and "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock [https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/poems/44212/the-love-song-of-j-alfred-prufrock]."

Megan Quigley is an associate professor of English at Villanova University, where she is also on the Irish Studies and Gender and Women's Studies faculties. She is the author of Modernist Fiction and Vagueness: Philosophy, Form, and Language [https://www.cambridge.org/us/universitypress/subjects/literature/english-literature-1900-1945/modernist-fiction-and-vagueness-philosophy-form-and-language] (Cambridge UP, 2015) and the co-editor of Eliot Now [https://www.bloomsbury.com/us/eliot-now-9781350564169/] (Bloomsbury, 2024). She is also the editor of two clusters of essays on #MeToo, Eliot, and modernism in Modernism/modernity Print+ (2019 [https://modernismmodernity.org/forums/reading-waste-land-metoo], 2020 [https://modernismmodernity.org/forums/metoo-modernism]). Her essays have appeared in the James Joyce Quarterly, Modernism/modernity, Philosophy and Literature, Poetics Today, LARB, the T. S. Eliot Studies Annual, nonsite, and the Cambridge Companion to European Modernism. She is a four-time lecturer and seminar leader at the T. S. Eliot International Summer School. Her current book project is called "The Love Song of Modernism" and is on modernism and fan fiction. She has two essays in progress on AI and literature and an essay forthcoming on "T. S. Eliot's Women" in A Companion to Eliot's Complete Prose.

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Megan Quigley on T. S. Eliot ("The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock")

How is a poem like a session of psychoanalysis? The scholar Daniel Katz [https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/arts/english/people/katzdrd/] joins the podcast to talk about a fascinating poem that poses that question, Jack Spicer's "Psychoanalysis: An Elegy [https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/51396/psychoanalysis-an-elegy]." 

Daniel Katz is Professor of English and Comparative Literary Studies at the University of Warwick and is the author of several books and articles on modernism, modern and contemporary poetry, and psychoanalysis. His work on Spicer includes a monograph, The Poetry of Jack Spicer [https://edinburghuniversitypress.com/book-the-poetry-of-jack-spicer.html] (Edinburgh UP, 2013), and Be Brave to Things: The Uncollected Poetry and Plays of Jack Spicer [https://www.weslpress.org/9780819578150/be-brave-to-things/] (Wesleyan UP, 2021), for which he served as editor. He is currently finishing a book called "The Big Lie of the Personal: Poetry, Politics, and the Lyric Subject."

In our conversation, we refer to a few other Spicer volumes: My Vocabulary Did This to Me: The Collected Poetry of Jack Spicer [https://www.weslpress.org/9780819570901/my-vocabulary-did-this-to-me/], Even Strange Ghosts Can Be Shared: The Collected Letters of Jack Spicer [https://www.weslpress.org/9780819501905/even-strange-ghosts-can-be-shared/], The House That Jack Built: The Collected Lectures of Jack Spicer [https://www.weslpress.org/9780819502124/the-house-that-jack-built-new-edition/], and finally Spicer's book After Lorca [https://www.nyrb.com/products/after-lorca].

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Daniel Katz on Jack Spicer ("Psychoanalysis: An Elegy")

The third in our series of conversations about the late Alice Notley [https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/alice-notley]. Lindsay Turner [https://www.lindsaykturner.com/] returns to the podcast to discuss a selection from Waltzing Matilda, "Dec. 12, 1980 [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AqRhh5Synu988kdqH4P-APhddU9ljIFF/view?usp=sharing]." 

A poet, critic, and translator, Lindsay Turner is the author of the poetry collections The Upstate [https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/U/bo205549648.html] (University of Chicago Press, 2023) and Songs & Ballads  [https://preludebooks.com/lindsay-turner/](Prelude Books, 2018). Her translations from the French include books by Souleymane Bachir Diagne, Anne Dufourmantelle, Stéphane Bouquet, Frédéric Neyrat, Richard Rechtman, Ryoko Sekiguchi, and others. Her translation of Bouquet's The Next Loves was longlisted for the National Translation Awards, shortlisted for the Best Translated Book Award, and named a New York Times top 10 poetry collection of 2019, and she has twice received French Voices Grants for her translation work. Originally from northeast Tennessee, she lives in Cleveland, Ohio, where she is Associate Professor of English and Creative Writing at Case Western Reserve University. Take a look at Lindsay's Substack, "stay you are so fair [https://tindsaylurner.substack.com/]."

You can listen to Notley reading from Waltzing Matilda on the PennSound [https://writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/Notley.php] archive of her recordings.

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Lindsay Turner on Alice Notley (Waltzing Matilda: "Dec. 12, 1980")

The second in a series of conversations about the poet Alice Notley, who passed away on May 19, 2025. The poet and critic Joyelle McSweeney [https://www.joyellemcsweeney.com/] joins the podcast to talk about selections [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JLzep_QTApzg9vxEbo7_vmiQ05-yKmH8/view?usp=sharing] from Notley's epic The Descent of Alette [https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-descent-of-alette-alice-notley/11626144?ean=9780140587647&next=t]. 

(A brief note on audio quality: we listen to three recordings of Notley reading from her book during this episode. The volume on playback of those recordings seems somewhat low to me—sorry!—but hopefully listeners will be able to adjust the volume on their devices so as to hear Notley well enough.)

Guggenheim Fellow Joyelle McSweeney is the author of ten books of poetry, drama and prose, a well-known critic, and a vital publisher of international literature in translation. McSweeney's latest book, Death Styles [https://nightboat.org/book/death-styles/], appeared from Nightboat Books in Spring 2024; her previous title, Toxicon and Arachne [https://nightboat.org/book/toxicon-and-arachne/] (2020), was called "frightening and brilliant" by Dan Chiasson in the New Yorker [https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/04/13/joyelle-mcsweeneys-poetry-of-catastrophe] and earned her the Shelley Memorial Prize from the Poetry Society of America. Her 2014 essay collection, The Necropastoral: Poetry, Media, Occults [https://press.umich.edu/Books/T/The-Necropastoral2], is widely regarded as a visionary work of eco-criticism. Her debut poetry volume, The Red Bird [https://fenceportal.org/book/the-red-bird/], inaugurated the Fence Modern Poets Series in 2001. With Johannes Göransson, she co-edits the international press Action Books [https://actionbooks.org/], which has built readerships for a diverse array of US and international authors from Griffin Prize winners Kim Hyesoon and Don Mee Choi to Daniel Borzutzky and Raúl Zurita. She lives in South Bend, Indiana and teaches at the University of Notre Dame [https://english.nd.edu/people/joyelle-mcsweeney/].

You can see Alice Notley read the entirety of The Descent of Alette in a series of recordings made over two nights at The Poetry Center [https://poetry.sfsu.edu/archive/events/29027-alice-notley-reads-descent-alette-2-nights-lab.html] at SFSU. 

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Joyelle McSweeney on Alice Notley (The Descent of Alette)

After a long break, the podcast returns with an episode on the late Alice Notley [https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/alice-notley], who passed away on May 19, 2025. Nick Sturm [https://www.nicksturm.com/] joins us to discuss Notley's elegy for her husband Ted Berrigan, "At Night the States [https://poets.org/poem/night-states]." 

Nick Sturm teaches at Georgia State University in Atlanta. His book on small press print culture, publishing communities, and the New York School is forthcoming from Columbia University Press. He is also the editor of Early Works [https://fonografeditions.com/catalog/f0no24-alice-notley-early-works-print-book/] by Alice Notley (Fonograf Editions) and co-editor, with Alice Notley, Anselm Berrigan, and Edmund Berrigan, of Get the Money!: Collected Prose, 1961-1983 [https://citylights.com/general-poetry/get-the-money/] by Ted Berrigan (City Lights). His articles and editorial projects have been published at Poetry Foundation, Jacket2, Paideuma, College Literature, Chicago Review, ASAP/J, Women’s Studies, Post45, and The Poetry Project Newsletter. You can follow Nick on Bluesky [https://bsky.app/profile/nicksturm.bsky.social].

In the episode, we listen (twice) to a recording of Notley reading the poem in Buffalo, in 1987. That recording, along with many others, can be found on Notley's page in the marvelous PennSound [https://writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/Notley.php] digital archive.

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Nick Sturm on Alice Notley ("At Night the States")

What can a poem do in the face of calamity? This was an extraordinary conversation. Huda Fakhreddine [https://nelc.sas.upenn.edu/people/huda-fakhreddine] joins the podcast to discuss "Pull Yourself Together [https://wordswithoutborders.org/read/article/2024-01/pull-yourself-together-and-seven-skies-of-homeland-hiba-abu-nada-huda-fakhreddine/]," a poem that Huda has translated into English and that was written by the Palestinian poet, novelist, and educator Hiba Abu Nada. Hiba was killed by an Israeli airstrike in her home in the Gaza Strip on October 20, 2023. She was 32 years old. 

In the episode, Huda describes watching a clip of Hiba reading the poem. You can find that clip here [https://youtu.be/G21gSWYWh4Y?si=I_bjrAZahNud5lhX].

Huda Fakhreddine is Associate Professor of Arabic literature at the University of Pennsylvania. She works on modernist movements and trends in Arabic poetry and their relationship to the Arabic literary tradition. She is the author of Metapoeisis in the Arabic Tradition [https://brill.com/display/title/31773] (Brill, 2015) and The Arabic Prose Poem: Poetic Theory and Practice [https://edinburghuniversitypress.com/book-the-arabic-prose-poem.html] (Edinburgh UP, 2021) and the co-editor of The Routledge Handbook of Arabic Poetry [https://www.routledge.com/The-Routledge-Handbook-of-Arabic-Poetry/Stetkevych-Fakhreddine/p/book/9780367562359] (Routledge, 2023). She is also a prolific translator of Arabic poetry: you can find another of her translations of HIba Abu Nada in Protean [https://proteanmag.com/2023/11/03/i-grant-you-refuge/]. Follow Huda on Twitter [https://twitter.com/FakhreddineHuda].

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Huda Fakhreddine on Hiba Abu Nada ("Pull Yourself Together")

This is the kind of conversation I dreamed about having when I began this podcast. Emily Wilson [https://www.emilyrcwilson.com/] joins Close Readings to talk about Sappho's "Ode to Aphrodite [https://public.websites.umich.edu/~celueb/sappho-poems/single-page/]," a poet and poem at the root of the lyric tradition in European poetry. You'll hear Emily read the poem in the Ancient Greek and then again in Anne Carson's English translation. We talk about the nature of erotic desire, what it's like to have a crush, and how a poem can be like a spell. 

Emily Wilson is Professor of Classical Studies at the University of Pennsylvania, where she holds the College for Women Class of 1963 Term Professor of the Humanities. She is a celebrated translator of Homer, having translated both The Odyssey [https://www.emilyrcwilson.com/the-odyssey] and, more recently, The Iliad [https://www.emilyrcwilson.com/the-iliad-sept-2023] (both from Norton). Wilson has also published translations of Euripides, Sophocles, and Seneca—and is the author of three monographs: The Greatest Empire: A Life of Seneca (Oxford, 2014), The Death of Socrates: Hero, Villain, Chatterbox, Saint (Harvard, 2007), and Mocked with Death: Tragic Overliving from Sophocles to Milton (Johns Hopkins, 2004). You can follow Emily on Twitter [https://twitter.com/emilyrcwilson].

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Emily Wilson on Sappho ("Ode to Aphrodite")

"Poetry," according to this episode's poem, "makes nothing happen." But as our guest, Robert Volpicelli [https://www.rmc.edu/profile/robert-a-volpicelli/], makes clear, that poem, W. H. Auden's "In Memory of W. B. Yeats [https://poets.org/poem/memory-w-b-yeats]," offers that statement not as diminishment of poetry but instead as a way of valuing it for the right reasons.

Robert Volpicelli is an associate professor of English at Randolph-Macon College and the author of Transatlantic Modernism and the US Lecture Tour [https://global.oup.com/academic/product/transatlantic-modernism-and-the-us-lecture-tour-9780192893383?cc=us&lang=en&] (Oxford UP, 2021). That book, which won the Modernist Studies Association's first book prize, will be out in paperback in April 2024. Bob's articles have appeared in journals like PMLA, NOVEL, Modernism/modernity, Textual Practice, and Twentieth-Century Literature. He and I co-edited and wrote a brief introduction for "Poetry Networks [https://muse.jhu.edu/issue/41709]," a special issue of the journal College Literature (a journal for which Bob has since become an associate editor). 

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Robert Volpicelli on W. H. Auden ("In Memory of W. B. Yeats")

How does life grow from death? When we taste a fruit, are we, in some sense, ingesting everything the soil contains? Margaret Ronda [https://english.ucdavis.edu/people/mronda] joins the podcast to discuss a poem that poses these questions in harrowing ways, Walt Whitman's  "This Compost [https://poets.org/poem/compost]."

[A note on the recording: from 01:10:11 - 01:12:59, Margaret briefly loses her internet connection and I awkwardly vamp. Apologies! Rest assured the remainder of the episode goes off without a hitch!]

Margaret Ronda is an associate professor of English at UC-Davis, where she specializes in American poetry from the nineteenth century to the present. She is the author of Remainders: American Poetry at Nature's End [https://www.sup.org/books/title/?id=28109] (Post*45 Series, Stanford UP, 2018), and her articles have appeared in such journals as American Literary History [https://academic.oup.com/alh/article-abstract/34/4/1389/6833096?redirectedFrom=fulltext&login=false], Post45 Contemporaries [https://post45.org/2023/06/abortions-poetic-figures/], and PMLA [https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/pmla/article/abs/work-and-wait-unwearying-dunbars-georgics/58F494BAF1F14008449165A565E34966] (for which she won the William Riley Parker Prize). She is also the author of two books of poetry, both published by Saturnalia Books: For Hunger [https://www.ipgbook.com/for-hunger-products-9781947817999.php?page_id=32&pid=SIA] (2018) and Personification [https://www.ipgbook.com/personification-products-9780981859156.php?page_id=32&pid=SIA] (2010). You can follow Margaret on Twitter [https://twitter.com/mronda77].

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Margaret Ronda on Walt Whitman ("This Compost")

One poem. One guest. Each episode, Kamran Javadizadeh, a poetry critic and professor of English, talks to a different leading scholar of poetry about a single short poem that the guest has loved. You'll have a chance to see the poem from the expert's perspective—and also to think about some big questions: How do poems work? What can they make happen? How might they change our lives?