Three years ago, I was asked to appear on a huge podcast called, "What Was That Like". The host is Scott Johnson. "WWTL" is a HUGE podcast with many thousands of listeners. It is as successful a podcast as was ever created.

In 2022, appearing on WWTL was a great opportunity to boost my listening audience if I did well. Apparently, I was good enough to see my podcast take off in more ways than I expected.

In this new WHEN DATING HURTS episode, you will hear my original interview from 2022 followed by an update recorded a couple of months ago (summer of 2025).

Both recordings put together give a clear understanding of what my family endured around the time of my daughter's tragedy in 2005.

I am proud of these interviews. They bring clarity to what it's like to have a parent's worst nightmare put upon a family. We met our challenge by turning it into a way to warn others.

If you have time, be sure to add a review for WHEN DATING HURTS on whatever podcast player you use. Reviews encourage others to listen, and when they do, they learn.

Bill Mitchell



NOTE:

If you are a survivor and want to share your story of abuse on the WHEN DATING HURTS Podcast, please email me: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠BillMitchell@WhenDatingHurts.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [BillMitchell@WhenDatingHurts.com]

The ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠WHEN DATING HURTS book⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.amazon.com/dp/1734253703/ref=nav_timeline_asin?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1] (in paperback, eBook, and audiobook) can be found on Amazon.



HELPFUL RESOURCES:

• National Domestic Violence Hotline – ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Hotline.org ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.thehotline.org/]– Call 800-799-SAFE

• ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LoveIsRespect⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.loveisrespect.org/] – Call 866-331-9474

• RAINN (Rape Abuse Incest National Network) – ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠RAINN.org⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://rainn.org/] – Call 800-656-4673

• SUICIDE HELPLINE: Call 988



Thank you for listening to our WHEN DATING HURTS podcast,

Bill Mitchell

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠WhenDatingHurts.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.whendatinghurts.com/]



DISCLAIMER:

The WHEN DATING HURTS Podcast is providing this platform for information to be shared. We do not state with any certainty that anything is true or untrue. Understand that what you hear is the viewpoint of the people sharing. The information, opinions, and recommendations presented in this Podcast are for general information only. Any reliance on the information provided in this Podcast is done at your own risk. This Podcast should not be considered professional advice.



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275. After 3 Years, Host Bill Mitchell Revisits the "What Was That Like" Podcast

Some survivors become "bad pickers".

It seems like, whoever they start a relationship with turns out to be a bad actor. Maybe an abuser. But, time and time again, no matter how hard they try, bad picker's partners inevitably turn from dream dates to total nightmares.

Warning signs are present but not recognized. Or they are ignored. "Bad pickers" can also become "fixers".

Fixers try to "fix" their partners. Sometimes they get married or have children while everything around them gets worse.

This is a "bad picker story". Our bad picker is Natalie.

In part one she picked Mike. In part two, this episode, she picks Joe.

Bill Mitchell



NOTE:

If you are a survivor and want to share your story of abuse on the WHEN DATING HURTS Podcast, please email me: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠BillMitchell@WhenDatingHurts.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [BillMitchell@WhenDatingHurts.com]

The ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠WHEN DATING HURTS book⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.amazon.com/dp/1734253703/ref=nav_timeline_asin?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1] (in paperback, eBook, and audiobook) can be found on Amazon.



HELPFUL RESOURCES:

• National Domestic Violence Hotline – ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Hotline.org ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.thehotline.org/]– Call 800-799-SAFE

• ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LoveIsRespect⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.loveisrespect.org/] – Call 866-331-9474

• RAINN (Rape Abuse Incest National Network) – ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠RAINN.org⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://rainn.org/] – Call 800-656-4673

• SUICIDE HELPLINE: Call 988



Thank you for listening to our WHEN DATING HURTS podcast,

Bill Mitchell

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠WhenDatingHurts.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.whendatinghurts.com/]



DISCLAIMER:

The WHEN DATING HURTS Podcast is providing this platform for information to be shared. We do not state with any certainty that anything is true or untrue. Understand that what you hear is the viewpoint of the people sharing. The information, opinions, and recommendations presented in this Podcast are for general information only. Any reliance on the information provided in this Podcast is done at your own risk. This Podcast should not be considered professional advice.



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270. Natalie - Pt 2 of 2 Pts - "Bad Pickers" Often Pick Horrible Abusers

Some survivor seem to have what is known as "a bad picker".

It's like, whoever they start a relationship with turns out to be a bad actor. Maybe he is an abuser. But, time and time again, no matter how hard they try, a bad picker's partners inevitably go from dream dates to total nightmares.

Warning signs are present but not recognized. Or they are ignored. "Bad pickers" can also become "fixers".

Fixers are those who pick poorly but try to "fix" their partners. Sometimes they get married or have children while everything around them continues to get worse.

This is a "bad picker story". Our bad picker is Natalie. In part one she picks Mike. In part two, she picks Joe.

This is part one with Natalie and Mike.

Bill Mitchell



NOTE:

If you are a survivor and want to share your story of abuse on the WHEN DATING HURTS Podcast, please email me: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠BillMitchell@WhenDatingHurts.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [BillMitchell@WhenDatingHurts.com]

The ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠WHEN DATING HURTS book⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.amazon.com/dp/1734253703/ref=nav_timeline_asin?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1] (in paperback, eBook, and audiobook) can be found on Amazon.



HELPFUL RESOURCES:

• National Domestic Violence Hotline – ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Hotline.org ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.thehotline.org/]– Call 800-799-SAFE

• ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LoveIsRespect⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.loveisrespect.org/] – Call 866-331-9474

• RAINN (Rape Abuse Incest National Network) – ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠RAINN.org⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://rainn.org/] – Call 800-656-4673

• SUICIDE HELPLINE: Call 988



Thank you for listening to our WHEN DATING HURTS podcast,

Bill Mitchell

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠WhenDatingHurts.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.whendatinghurts.com/]



DISCLAIMER:

The WHEN DATING HURTS Podcast is providing this platform for information to be shared. We do not state with any certainty that anything is true or untrue. Understand that what you hear is the viewpoint of the people sharing. The information, opinions, and recommendations presented in this Podcast are for general information only. Any reliance on the information provided in this Podcast is done at your own risk. This Podcast should not be considered professional advice.



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269. Natalie - Pt 1 of 2 Pts - "Bad Pickers" Often Pick Abusers

Savannah was in this relationship for a little less than a year and felt she lost her sense of sanity. She had been in financial and physically abusive relationships before, but this one was different.

The psychological abuse was the most devastating thing she had ever encountered. Her abuser isolated her from all her friends – even isolated her from herself, because it got to a point where she couldn't trust her own mind.

Savannah tells us her in-depth story. From growing up with her mother and father to meeting Brad the first time. He knew how to work his slow and steady abuse from first glance. Always playing mind games up to and including becoming married to her.

No amount of effort would get him to let up. After their break up, his tricks continued post-separation. A"must-listen-to" abuse story.

Bill Mitchell



NOTE:

If you are a survivor and want to share your story of abuse on the WHEN DATING HURTS Podcast, please email me: ⁠⁠⁠⁠BillMitchell@WhenDatingHurts.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ [BillMitchell@WhenDatingHurts.com]

The ⁠⁠⁠⁠WHEN DATING HURTS book⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.amazon.com/dp/1734253703/ref=nav_timeline_asin?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1] (in paperback, eBook, and audiobook) can be found on Amazon.



HELPFUL RESOURCES:

• National Domestic Violence Hotline – ⁠⁠⁠⁠The Hotline.org ⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.thehotline.org/]– Call 800-799-SAFE

• ⁠⁠⁠⁠LoveIsRespect⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.loveisrespect.org/] – Call 866-331-9474

• RAINN (Rape Abuse Incest National Network) – ⁠⁠⁠⁠RAINN.org⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://rainn.org/] – Call 800-656-4673

• SUICIDE HELPLINE: Call 988



Thank you for listening to our WHEN DATING HURTS podcast,

Bill Mitchell

⁠⁠⁠⁠WhenDatingHurts.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.whendatinghurts.com/]



DISCLAIMER:

The WHEN DATING HURTS Podcast is providing this platform for information to be shared. We do not state with any certainty that anything is true or untrue. Understand that what you hear is the viewpoint of the people sharing. The information, opinions, and recommendations presented in this Podcast are for general information only. Any reliance on the information provided in this Podcast is done at your own risk. This Podcast should not be considered professional advice.



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268. Savannah - Her Abuser Dominated Her LIfe. Even Post-Marriage. 

Sean Johnson, located in London, England, is the host of the outstanding "Control the Freak" podcast. What sets him apart from anyone we have ever included on our podcast is: he was an abuser.

After years of dominant behavior, which he is not proud about, Sean reinvented himself. His new iteration is a recovered control freak who talks to listeners about the triggers and motivations of dominant and controlling behavior. He knows this subject only too well considering his background. He knows how to spot abuse!

Sean wanted to create an episode for his podcast that focuses on one particular "worst-case scenario" story. One where there was dominant behavior present that ended with the victim suffering a life-ending event.

Even though he is located in Great Britain, he chose Kristin Mitchell's story. He felt it had all of the details of controlling behavior that he wanted to cover.

Thanks to Sean for handling this assignment with a delicate touch. His thorough research into the story and his keen insights make this episode well-worth your time.

We asked if we could air Sean's finished podcast episode. It is now available to hear and for you to learn from.

Bill Mitchell



NOTE:

If you are a survivor and want to share your story of abuse on the WHEN DATING HURTS Podcast, please email me: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠BillMitchell@WhenDatingHurts.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [BillMitchell@WhenDatingHurts.com]

The ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠WHEN DATING HURTS book⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.amazon.com/dp/1734253703/ref=nav_timeline_asin?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1] (in paperback, eBook, and audiobook) can be found on Amazon.



HELPFUL RESOURCES:

• National Domestic Violence Hotline – ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Hotline.org ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.thehotline.org/]– Call 800-799-SAFE

• ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LoveIsRespect⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.loveisrespect.org/] – Call 866-331-9474

• RAINN (Rape Abuse Incest National Network) – ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠RAINN.org⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://rainn.org/] – Call 800-656-4673

• SUICIDE HELPLINE: Call 988



Thank you for listening to our WHEN DATING HURTS podcast,

Bill Mitchell

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠WhenDatingHurts.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.whendatinghurts.com/]



DISCLAIMER:

The WHEN DATING HURTS Podcast is providing this platform for information to be shared. We do not state with any certainty that anything is true or untrue. Understand that what you hear is the viewpoint of the people sharing. The information, opinions, and recommendations presented in this Podcast are for general information only. Any reliance on the information provided in this Podcast is done at your own risk. This Podcast should not be considered professional advice.



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265. Sean Johnson, Host of the "Control the Freak" Podcast (London)

This episode comes with a long list of warning signs. The graphic descriptions of domestic violence in this survivor story can be triggering to some. There are instances of "adult language", as well. But the scenes depicted needed to be included so listeners can hear what often happens in unhealthy relationships. Please decide carefully whether you should listen to this episode or not.

Bruce Bieber's daughter, Abigail Rose Bieber (Abby), was tragically murdered in an officer-involved domestic violence (OIDV) incident on January 29, 2022. She was a Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office deputy and was killed by her intimate partner, Daniel Leyden, who was also a detective in the same office. Leyden then committed suicide. 

Bruce Bieber has become an advocate against OIDV, working to raise awareness and push for mandatory policies and accountability nationwide to prevent similar tragedies. He shares his family's story and the systemic failures that allowed his daughter's murder to occur. Leyden had a prior history of domestic violence known to the sheriff's office but not acted upon meaningfully. 

There is much to be learned about OIDV but also the warning signs ignored by many involved. One of Leyden's ex-girlfriends, Chynna Ratner, is also included in this WHEN DATING HURTS episode. It is haunting to listen to Chynna tell what she experienced [https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/local-news/i-team-investigates/he-was-a-cop-he-had-power-ex-girlfriend-of-deputy-in-murder-suicide-says-he-abused-her]. She is fortunate to be alive.

Chynna's story (nd more) can be found on the This Sh*t's Hard Podcast [https://open.spotify.com/show/5kEEfQLPbX3TJTFZimC476?si=43df0eff1b554d4d]. It features candid, raw, co-hosted conversations with people who "do the hard sh*t".

This Sh*t's Hard Podcast⁠ [https://open.spotify.com/show/5kEEfQLPbX3TJTFZimC476?si=43df0eff1b554d4d] gets right down to the biggest challenges of life, business, and everything in between. They have episodes on dating, building and scaling a brand, changing sexual preferences, the business of fashion, travel wellness, exercise, and entertainment television... and so much more. Always encompassing their favorite mantra: "We are happy, we are healthy, we are wealthy, and we are smoke shows."

Give This Sh*t's Hard Podcast⁠ [https://open.spotify.com/show/5kEEfQLPbX3TJTFZimC476?si=43df0eff1b554d4d] a listen!



Bill Mitchell



NOTE:

If you are a survivor and want to share your story of abuse on the WHEN DATING HURTS Podcast, please email me: ⁠⁠⁠BillMitchell@WhenDatingHurts.com⁠⁠⁠ [BillMitchell@WhenDatingHurts.com]

The ⁠⁠⁠WHEN DATING HURTS book⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.amazon.com/dp/1734253703/ref=nav_timeline_asin?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1] (in paperback, eBook, and audiobook) can be found on Amazon.



HELPFUL RESOURCES:

• National Domestic Violence Hotline – ⁠⁠⁠The Hotline.org ⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.thehotline.org/]– Call 800-799-SAFE

• ⁠⁠⁠LoveIsRespect⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.loveisrespect.org/] – Call 866-331-9474

• RAINN (Rape Abuse Incest National Network) – ⁠⁠⁠RAINN.org⁠⁠⁠ [https://rainn.org/] – Call 800-656-4673

• SUICIDE HELPLINE: Call 988



Thank you for listening to our WHEN DATING HURTS podcast,

Bill Mitchell

⁠⁠⁠WhenDatingHurts.com⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.whendatinghurts.com/]



DISCLAIMER:

The WHEN DATING HURTS Podcast is providing this platform for information to be shared. We do not state with any certainty that anything is true or untrue. Understand that what you hear is the viewpoint of the people sharing. The information, opinions, and recommendations presented in thi

267. Bruce Bieber - Lost His Daughter to OIDV (Officer-Involved Domestic Violence)

Caroline Orman is a domestic violence survivor and author from the UK.

Her debut book, THE OTHER SIDE OF FEAR [https://www.amazon.com/Other-Side-Fear-inspirational-escape/dp/B0CR8SW2KL/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3B1I418DWKYGF&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.qPpbDp3f-Su6etcdpkhQZQ.nfVlJggF56eH6leAGXqSGHuIKAWS64pLGPahBSBgsAg&dib_tag=se&keywords=the+other+side+of+fear+caroline+orman+paperback&qid=1752181842&sprefix=the+other+side+of+fear+caroline+orman+paperback%2Caps%2C83&sr=8-1], is a narrative non-fiction that tells of the incredible events that took place after she left her abusive marriage. It can be found on Amazon.

In this WHEN DATING HURTS episode, she will tell us about her marriage to a man who became increasingly more abusive. There were two children involved and a difficult tug-of-war began to see who would gain custody of one or both.

Caroline will share what she learned about domestic violence: its complexities, its layers, and nuances. She knows only through education awareness can we put a stop to this deadly cycle.

Caroline has a website. I encourage you to visit: CarolineOrmanAuthor.com. [https://www.carolineormanauthor.com/]



Bill Mitchell



NOTE:

If you are a survivor and want to share your story of abuse on the WHEN DATING HURTS Podcast, please email me: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠BillMitchell@WhenDatingHurts.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [BillMitchell@WhenDatingHurts.com]

The ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠WHEN DATING HURTS book⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.amazon.com/dp/1734253703/ref=nav_timeline_asin?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1] (in paperback, eBook, and audiobook) can be found on Amazon.



HELPFUL RESOURCES:

• National Domestic Violence Hotline – ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Hotline.org ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.thehotline.org/]– Call 800-799-SAFE

• ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LoveIsRespect⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.loveisrespect.org/] – Call 866-331-9474

• RAINN (Rape Abuse Incest National Network) – ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠RAINN.org⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://rainn.org/] – Call 800-656-4673

• SUICIDE HELPLINE: Call 988



Thank you for listening to our WHEN DATING HURTS podcast,

Bill Mitchell

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠WhenDatingHurts.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.whendatinghurts.com/]



DISCLAIMER:

The WHEN DATING HURTS Podcast is providing this platform for information to be shared. We do not state with any certainty that anything is true or untrue. Understand that what you hear is the viewpoint of the people sharing. The information, opinions, and recommendations presented in this Podcast are for general information only. Any reliance on the information provided in this Podcast is done at your own risk. This Podcast should not be considered professional advice.



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266. Caroline Orman - Domestic Violence Survivor and Author of "The Other Side of Fear" 

This episode comes with content warnings. To be able to accurately describe the level of verbal and physical abuse in this story, it was necessary to include actual accounts that include obscene language, drug usage, and violent acts.

The intent of the WHEN DATING HURTS Podcast is never to sensationalize abuse. But there is the need to allow actual survivors to report their stories as they remember them without editing. Abuse is ugly.

We want our listeners will learn to be able to detect, avoid, and break free from impending intimate partner violence in any form.

This is part two, the final episode in this story.

This story is actually two survivor stories in one.

Melody and Lizzie are each survivors of Harry, a toxic serial abuser.

What makes what you're about to hear so unique is Melody and Lizzie were married to Harry in succession. One after the other. You will see how an abuser can be methodical. In both cases, the attraction to him at first was quite similar – so were the warning signs, the mounting concerns, the emotional and verbal abuse, and the physical abuse.

Of course there were similarities – they were married to the same abuser.

Harry merely took what worked in one relationship into the next relationship. We will first hear Melody's story. Then we will move to Lizzie's story.

See that if they knew and followed the warning signs, they would have missed a lifetime a misery from this one predatory abuser.

Bill Mitchell



NOTE:

If you are a survivor and want to share your story of abuse on the WHEN DATING HURTS Podcast, please email me: ⁠⁠⁠⁠BillMitchell@WhenDatingHurts.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ [BillMitchell@WhenDatingHurts.com]

The ⁠⁠⁠⁠WHEN DATING HURTS book⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.amazon.com/dp/1734253703/ref=nav_timeline_asin?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1] (in paperback, eBook, and audiobook) can be found on Amazon.



HELPFUL RESOURCES:

• National Domestic Violence Hotline – ⁠⁠⁠⁠The Hotline.org ⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.thehotline.org/]– Call 800-799-SAFE

• ⁠⁠⁠⁠LoveIsRespect⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.loveisrespect.org/] – Call 866-331-9474

• RAINN (Rape Abuse Incest National Network) – ⁠⁠⁠⁠RAINN.org⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://rainn.org/] – Call 800-656-4673

• SUICIDE HELPLINE: Call 988



Thank you for listening to our WHEN DATING HURTS podcast,

Bill Mitchell

⁠⁠⁠⁠WhenDatingHurts.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.whendatinghurts.com/]



DISCLAIMER:

The WHEN DATING HURTS Podcast is providing this platform for information to be shared. We do not state with any certainty that anything is true or untrue. Understand that what you hear is the viewpoint of the people sharing. The information, opinions, and recommendations presented in this Podcast are for general information only. Any reliance on the information provided in this Podcast is done at your own risk. This Podcast should not be considered professional advice.



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264. Melody and Lizzie - Pt 2 of 2 Pts - Each Was Married to the Same Serial Abuser

This episode comes with content warnings. To be able to accurately describe the level of verbal and physical abuse in this story, it was necessary to include actual accounts that include obscene language, drug usage, and violent acts.

The intent of the WHEN DATING HURTS Podcast is never to sensationalize abuse. But there is the need to allow actual survivors to report their stories as they remember them without editing. Abuse is ugly.

We want our listeners will learn to be able to detect, avoid, and break free from impending intimate partner violence in any form.



This is part one of a two-part story.

This story is actually two survivor stories in one.

Melody and Lizzie are each survivors of Harry, a toxic serial abuser.

What makes what you're about to hear so unique is Melody and Lizzie were married to Harry in succession. One after the other. You will see how an abuser can be methodical. In both cases, the attraction to him at first was quite similar – so were the warning signs, the mounting concerns, the emotional and verbal abuse, and the physical abuse.

Of course there were similarities – they were married to the same abuser.

Harry merely took what worked in one relationship into the next relationship. We will first hear Melody's story. Then we will move to Lizzie's story.

See that if they knew and followed the warning signs, they would have missed a lifetime a misery from this one predatory abuser.

Bill Mitchell



NOTE:

If you are a survivor and want to share your story of abuse on the WHEN DATING HURTS Podcast, please email me: ⁠⁠⁠BillMitchell@WhenDatingHurts.com⁠⁠⁠ [BillMitchell@WhenDatingHurts.com]

The ⁠⁠⁠WHEN DATING HURTS book⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.amazon.com/dp/1734253703/ref=nav_timeline_asin?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1] (in paperback, eBook, and audiobook) can be found on Amazon.



HELPFUL RESOURCES:

• National Domestic Violence Hotline – ⁠⁠⁠The Hotline.org ⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.thehotline.org/]– Call 800-799-SAFE

• ⁠⁠⁠LoveIsRespect⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.loveisrespect.org/] – Call 866-331-9474

• RAINN (Rape Abuse Incest National Network) – ⁠⁠⁠RAINN.org⁠⁠⁠ [https://rainn.org/] – Call 800-656-4673

• SUICIDE HELPLINE: Call 988



Thank you for listening to our WHEN DATING HURTS podcast,

Bill Mitchell

⁠⁠⁠WhenDatingHurts.com⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.whendatinghurts.com/]



DISCLAIMER:

The WHEN DATING HURTS Podcast is providing this platform for information to be shared. We do not state with any certainty that anything is true or untrue. Understand that what you hear is the viewpoint of the people sharing. The information, opinions, and recommendations presented in this Podcast are for general information only. Any reliance on the information provided in this Podcast is done at your own risk. This Podcast should not be considered professional advice.



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263. Melody and Lizzie - Pt 1 of 2 Pts - Each Was Married to the Same Serial Abuser

This episode comes with a long list of warning signs. The graphic descriptions of domestic violence in this survivor story can be triggering to some. But the scenes depicted needed to be included so listeners can know what often happens in unhealthy relationships. Please decide carefully whether you should listen to this episode or not.

Kelly Sutliff felt she had the perfect husband until the day he nearly killed her. There were warning signs, but she either did not interpret them or she ignored them.

Kelly tells us exactly what it was like to be married to this man. We can see how easy it is to be tricked by someone as practiced as her husband, Chris. She will explain, in detail, the day she was nearly murdered by him.

Today, as a survivor, Kelly has managed to pick up the pieces of her life and is living a better life than she would ever have imagined.

For protection after she broke free from her abusive predator husband, Kelly acquired a protection dog named Stella. This led to her immense appreciation and love for these life-protectors. She now has two additional protection dogs.

If that is not enough, Kelly started a non-profit to help both train protection dogs and find those in need of these magnificent dogs. It's entitled Kelly's K9s, Tails of Courage.

You can learn more by following the link provided here: Kelly’s K9s, Tails of Courage.⁠ [https://www.kellysk9s.org/] You can donate to Kelly's K9s by following this link. [https://givebutter.com/tailsofcourage]

Kelly’s K9s relies solely on your generous donations and support.  It costs a minimum of $25,000 to breed and train a protection dog.  While $25,000 may seem like a significant amount, the safety and empowerment of domestic violence survivors are worth every penny.  Their lives, their futures, and their right to live free from fear and harm are priceless. 



NOTE:

If you are a survivor and want to share your story of abuse on the WHEN DATING HURTS Podcast, please email me: ⁠⁠BillMitchell@WhenDatingHurts.com⁠⁠ [BillMitchell@WhenDatingHurts.com]

The ⁠⁠WHEN DATING HURTS book⁠⁠ [https://www.amazon.com/dp/1734253703/ref=nav_timeline_asin?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1] (in paperback, eBook, and audiobook) can be found on Amazon.



HELPFUL RESOURCES:

• National Domestic Violence Hotline – ⁠⁠The Hotline.org ⁠⁠ [https://www.thehotline.org/]– Call 800-799-SAFE

• ⁠⁠LoveIsRespect⁠⁠ [https://www.loveisrespect.org/] – Call 866-331-9474

• RAINN (Rape Abuse Incest National Network) – ⁠⁠RAINN.org⁠⁠ [https://rainn.org/] – Call 800-656-4673

• SUICIDE HELPLINE: Call 988



Thank you for listening to our WHEN DATING HURTS podcast,

Bill Mitchell

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262. Kelly Sutliff - Her "Perfect" Husband Nearly Murdered Her

A "must-listen-to" podcast on dating and domestic violence from Bill Mitchell, author of the memoir, WHEN DATING HURTS, which is about his daughter's murder by her ex-boyfriend.

Bill and his wife lost Kristin to dating violence when she was brutally killed in June 2005.  It was 20 days after her college graduation.

FACT:
1 in 3 WOMEN suffer serious physical violence at the hands of intimate partners during their lifetimes. Typically, it happens between 16-24 years of age.  But can happen at any age. And it doesn't need to happen.  

Bill interviews experts with keen insights into dating and domestic violence:
• "DV" agency counselors
• Law enforcement professionals
• Parents of children who were either lost to, or somehow survived, dating violence
• Actual survivors of domestic violence

After you listen to the WHEN DATING HURTS Podcast, share it with those who need to hear it... Remember the 1 in 3 women statistic.

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