Here's a crazy thought:  The hardest places in your marriage--the most maddening merry-go-rounds of misery, mixed motives, meanness, malcontendedness, and missed moments--might actually hold the key to discovering greater intimacy and connection.  (Yep. Read that again.)

Hang with us here.  What if our rough edges, our raw spots, our "triggers," if you will-- are not just random, or merely "sin patterns" we need to repent of, or weird personality quirks? What if there is a reason that each of us loves what we love, and hates what we hate? Doesn't it make sense that those nagging "bad habits" or addictions or relational patterns that we can't break free from were learned somewhere, from someone, and for some purpose? And if so, could the path to lasting freedom involve deeper exploration of where they came from?

Put another way, the idols that our hearts have looked to for deliverance had to have been forged in a furnace at some point.  If that's true, then what might we learn and how might we grow, by going back into that fiery furnace--but with with wise guidance, kind care, and worthy travelling companions?

In in this episode, Wendy and Chris and their dear friends, Steve &  Lisa Call, explore the transformative power of marriage "story work," and how it can rekindle hope for a relationship, catalyze greater attunement to one another, cultivate a more enduring resilience, and deepen intimacy. There's also practical guidance on what it looks like for couples to engage one another's most formative stories by themselves, with a counselor, and in marriage story group contexts. 

The Calls are the founders of The Reconnect Institute, and co-authors, with Dan and Becky Allender, of an incredibly insightful and practical new book, The Deep Rooted Marriage: Cultivating Intimacy, Healing, and Delight--a book that provides encouragement and practical guidance for building, nurturing, and even repairing a marriage. 

Steve is a longtime counselor and counselor educator at the Seattle School of Theology & Psychology, and Lisa is a story work coach who has completed multiple levels of training in narrative focused trauma care at The Allender Center. Through The Reconnect Institute, they have worked with countless couples to dig up the roots of recurrent conflict, and provide opportunities for reflection, renewal, and resurrection.

Where to find our guests:

The Deep-Rooted Marriage [https://www.amazon.com/Deep-Rooted-Marriage-Cultivating-Intimacy-Healing/dp/1400344468/ref=asc_df_1400344468?tag=bingshoppinga-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=80195820408724&hvnetw=o&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4583795285512647&psc=1&msclkid=63e676e67644185ae646112b8ff4e899]

Reconnect Institute [https://www.thereconnectinstitute.com/]

Marriage Story Intensives [https://www.thereconnectinstitute.com/marriage-story-intensive]

Hope for Any Marriage (Yes, Even Yours!) with Steve & Lisa Call (Pt. 2)

Have you ever been "stuck" in your marriage? Maybe it's the same old conflict loop that seems to play over and over. You run through the familiar moves and countermoves until one or both of you reaches the point of exhaustion. So you put down the weapons for a bit, and limp into a cease fire, but nothing ever fully gets resolved.  And you both live on edge, knowing that you are one disappointment or careless remark away from starting the vicious cycle all over again.

Or maybe you're not fighting, but you're not really connecting either. You've got your friends, he has his work and his toys, and you come together to shepherd the kids through the next weekly round of activities.  But when you take the time to be honest with yourself, you fear you've lost the spark, the sizzle, the joy that you once knew as a married couple. You may vocalize what sounds like an innocent enough question, "Is this all there is?", but therein might lie the doorway to any number of unhelpful and potentially destructive mirages of escape or numbing out. 

However "stuckness" shows up in your marriage, Surviving Saturday is here with a reminder that there is hope. For real.  Come spend a little time with Wendy & Chris and their dear friends, Dr. Steve Call & his wife Lisa, and maybe you will catch a glimpse. The Calls are the co-authors, with Dan and Becky Allender, of an incredibly helpful new book, The Deep Rooted Marriage: Cultivating Intimacy, Healing, and Delight--a book that provides encouragement and practical guidance for building, nurturing, and even repairing a marriage. Ya just gotta get down to the roots...

Steve is a longtime counselor and counselor educator at the Seattle School of Theology & Psychology, and Lisa is a story work coach who has completed multiple levels of training in narrative focused trauma care at the Allender Center.  Through the Reconnect Institute, they have worked with countless couples to dig up the roots of recurrent conflict, and provide opportunities for reflection, renewal, and resurrection.

Where to find our guests:

The Deep-Rooted Marriage [https://www.amazon.com/Deep-Rooted-Marriage-Cultivating-Intimacy-Healing/dp/1400344468/ref=asc_df_1400344468?tag=bingshoppinga-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=80195820408724&hvnetw=o&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4583795285512647&psc=1&msclkid=63e676e67644185ae646112b8ff4e899]

Reconnect Institute [https://www.thereconnectinstitute.com/]

Marriage Story Intensives [https://www.thereconnectinstitute.com/marriage-story-intensive]

Hope for Any Marriage (Yes, Even Yours!) with Steve & Lisa Call

It's an emotionally charged and yet super-important topic: to what extent have women in Christian churches in America experienced sexism, sexual harassment, and even forms of sexual abuse? Does the church have any "moral high ground" compared to the now-well-documented patterns of abuse of power by male leaders in Hollywood, the financial services industry, and the legal profession (just to name a few)?

Dr. Andrew Bauman, a former pastor-turned mental health counselor, heard so many stories in his counseling room of mistreatment of Christian women at the hands (and by the words) of male church leaders that he had to investigate further. For his Ph. D. dissertation, he conducted an extensive survey of women who had been in various roles in church leadership regarding their experiences with sexism, sexual harassment, and straight-up abuse.

The results were staggering... But we will let him tell you about that.

Moved by what he learned, and convicted regarding his own complicity in having contributed to church environments where women routinely felt similarly unsafe, Andrew decided to do something about it. Having written several powerful books aimed at helping Christian men live lives of greater sexual integrity and wholeness, he decided to use his platform as an author to amplify women's voices, and to shine a light on this heartbreaking failure in far too many of our houses of worship.

The result is his newly released book, Safe Church: How to Guard against Sexism and Abuse in Christian Communities. It's a thought-provoking and somewhat distressing read-- but there is hope. For Andrew writes not to excoriate or invalidate the church, but to rehabilitate it.

This book, which he joins Wendy and Chris to discuss in another two-part podcast, can help churches become more aware of these women's stories, and better equipped to guard against doing further harm.

Where to find Andrew's books and counseling practice:

 * Personal      Author Site: https://andrewjbauman.com/
 * Christian      Counseling Center for Sexual Health & Trauma-https://christiancc.org/
 * Safe      Church Book: https://www.amazon.com/Safe-Church-against-Christian-Communities/dp/1540903974

(Andrew would also want to make sure you know that he also the husband of a previous guest, Dr. Christy Bauman, his partner in healing work with marriages that have experienced betrayal, infidelity, unhealthy relational patterns, and abuse.)

The Makings of a "Safe Church"-- with Dr. Andrew Bauman (Pt. 2)

It's an emotionally charged and yet super-important topic:  to what extent have women in Christian churches in America experienced sexism, sexual harassment, and even forms of sexual abuse? Does the church have any "moral high ground" compared to the now-well-documented patterns of abuse of power by male leaders in Hollywood, the financial services industry, and the legal profession (just to name a few)? 

Dr. Andrew Bauman, a former pastor-turned mental health counselor, heard so many stories in his counseling room  of mistreatment of Christian women at the hands (and by the words) of male church leaders that he had to investigate further.  For his Ph. D. dissertation, he conducted an extensive survey of women who had been in various roles in church leadership regarding their experiences with sexism, sexual harassment, and straight-up abuse. 

The results were staggering...  But we will let him tell you about that.

Moved by what he learned, and convicted regarding his own complicity in having contributed to church environments where women routinely felt similarly unsafe, Andrew decided to do something about it.  Having written several powerful books aimed at helping Christian men live lives of greater sexual integrity and wholeness, he decided to use his platform as an author to amplify women's voices, and to shine a light on this heartbreaking failure in far too many of our houses of worship. 

The result is his newly released book, Safe Church: How to Guard against Sexism and Abuse in Christian Communities.  It's a thought-provoking and somewhat distressing read-- but there is hope. For Andrew writes not to excoriate or invalidate the church, but to rehabilitate it. 

This book, which he joins Wendy and Chris to discuss in another two-part podcast, can help churches become more aware of these women's stories, and better equipped to guard against doing further harm.

Where to find Andrew's books and counseling practice:

 * Personal Author Site: https://andrewjbauman.com/
 * Christian Counseling Center for Sexual Health & Trauma-https://christiancc.org/
 * Safe Church Book: https://www.amazon.com/Safe-Church-against-Christian-Communities/dp/1540903974

 (Andrew would also want to make sure you know that he also the husband of a previous guest, Dr. Christy Bauman, his partner in healing work with marriages that have experienced betrayal, infidelity, unhealthy relational patterns, and abuse.)

The Makings of a "Safe Church"-- with Dr. Andrew Bauman (Pt. 1)

This one has it all:  Logs and specks, vows and curses, mustard seeds of faith, our relationships with power and control... and a compellingly redemptive conversation on a ski slope...

We pick up the conversation with everyone's absolute favorite marriage themes, lust and anger.  Yep.  :-)  As off-putting as that may sound, you may still want to hear the rest of Dan's story.  We discuss how coming to the end of ourselves (which often happens when our individual triggers show up) can offer beautiful opportunities for spouses to taste true redemption.  

Tune in for Part 2 of our lively interview with Dr. Dan Allender, our friend, mentor, wise guide, and source of inspiration in everything we do at Nurture Counseling and here on the podcast.

Pre-order The Deep-Rooted Marriage here to get access to some special companion resources: https://www.thomasnelson.com/p/deep-rooted-marriage/

Cultivating a Deeply-Rooted Marriage... with Dr. Dan Allender! (Pt.  2)

Y'all... This can't be happening...  And yet it is. Our special guest this episode is none other than Dr. Dan Allender, whom we are honored to call our friend, mentor, wise guide, and chief source of inspiration in everything we do at Nurture Counseling and here on the podcast.  

We are beside ourselves with gratitude, and so thrilled for our listeners to get to experience Dan's wisdom, playfulness, kindness, winsomeness, and infectious passion for the redemptive work of the Gospel in marriages.  His newest book, The Deep-Rooted Marriage: Cultivating Intimacy, Healing, and Delight (co-written with fellow Christian couples therapist Dr. Steve Call)  comes out in a few weeks, and we know you will be blessed by the foretaste Dan provides in this 2 part interview. 

Join us for a delightful and insightful conversation with Dan about the new ground that this book breaks (see what I did there?) by including a richer exploration of the effects that trauma and disappointment that we often bring into our marriages can have on our ability to navigate conflict and suffering when we encounter them. We'll consider how marriage and/or  raising a family can both draw out the worst in any of us, yet also uniquely offer us glimpses of heaven and the glory that God intends for His people. 

And we hope that after meeting Dan in a more intimate setting like this, you, too, will be inspired, encouraged, and better equipped to bring the kindness and mercy of God to bear on both your own story and your spouse's.

Oh, and you can pre-order The Deep-Rooted Marriage here to get access to some special companion resources: https://www.thomasnelson.com/p/deep-rooted-marriage/

Cultivating a Deeply-Rooted Marriage... with Dr. Dan Allender! (Pt.  1)

Have we got a treat for you! Surviving Saturday is so excited to bring you our first podcast GUEST, the intrepid, insightful indomitable, and inimitable Dr. Christy Bauman! Christy joins Wendy for a delightful conversation about their respective journeys as women counseling other women dealing with issues and challenges they, themselves, know all too well. They also vibe strong on the transformative and healing power of "body work" (also known as "somatic experiencing") and healing rituals, as a complement to more narrative based "story work."

Christy is a counselor, author, and teacher based out of Brevard, NC. She earned her Masters in Counseling at Reformed Theological Seminary and her Ph. D. in counseling at Seattle Pacific University. With her husband, Dr. Andrew Bauman, she is the co-founder and co-director of the Christian Counseling Center for Sexual Health & Trauma, and she has spent over 18 years counseling women dealing with the aftereffects of sexual and/or spiritual abuse.

For more about Christy and her counseling work with women, check out her website at www.christybauman.com

**IMPORTANT SCHEDULING UPDATE: Christy's "Her Rites" workshop in Charlotte will be held on Saturday, February 1 from 9:00 to 4:00, rather than the January date originally mentioned in the podcast, part 2. Additional info available at: www.christybauman.com/herrites

The Role of Ritual and Reflection in Transformational Healing-With Dr. Christy Bauman (Pt. 2)

Have we got a treat for you!  Surviving Saturday is so excited to bring you our first podcast GUEST, the intrepid, insightful indomitable, and inimitable Dr. Christy Bauman!  Christy joins Wendy for a delightful conversation about their respective journeys as women counseling other women dealing with issues and challenges they, themselves, know all too well. They also vibe strong on the transformative and healing power of "body work" (also known as somatic experiencing" and healing rituals, as a complement to more narrative based "story work." 

Christy is a counselor, author, and teacher based out of Brevard, NC.  She earned her Masters in Counseling at Reformed Theological Seminary and her Ph. D. in counseling at Seattle Pacific University.  With her husband, Dr. Andrew Bauman, she is the co-founder and co-director of the Christian Counseling Center for Sexual Health & Trauma, and she has spent over 18 years counseling women dealing with the aftereffects of sexual and/or spiritual abuse.  

For more about Christy and her counseling work with women, check out her website at www.christybauman.com

**IMPORTANT SCHEDULING UPDATE:  Christy's "Her Rites" workshop in Charlotte will be held on Saturday, February 1, 2025 from 9:00 to 4:00, rather than the January date originally mentioned in the podcast, part 2.  Additional info available at: www.christybauman.com/herrites

The Role of Ritual and Reflection in Transformational Healing-with Dr. Christy Bauman (Pt. 1)

So maybe for a while now you have been exploring your story--the formative incidents from growing up that have left their mark on you, for both good and ill.  It's one thing to do that on your own, maybe even with the help of your favorite podcast.

Some of you may have even experienced how story work goes to a whole different level when you do it one on one, under the care and guidance of a seasoned counselor like Wendy, or a story work coach like Chris.

But why would anyone ever even THINK of diving down into the details of your story in a group setting?  Isn't that just a recipe for making you feel even greater shame?  Why would anyone EVER want to do that,  and how could it possibly make a difference in your healing journey?

Join Wendy and Chris for Part 2 of this lively and frank discussion of the distinct ways that God has used story work groups to bring about deeper and longer lasting change and healing for each of them individually, as well as growth and greater intimacy in their marriage.  You might be surprised at how it works, and how you can experience similar healing and transformation.

The Uniquely Transforming Power of Group Story Work - Pt. 2

So maybe for a while now you have been exploring your story--the formative incidents from growing up that have left their mark on you, for both good and ill.  It's one thing to do that on your own, maybe even with the help of your favorite podcast.  

Some of you may have even experienced how story work goes to a whole different level when you do it one on one, under the care and guidance of a seasoned counselor like Wendy, or a story work coach like Chris. 

But why would anyone ever even THINK of diving down into the details of your story in a group setting?  Isn't that just a recipe for making you feel even greater shame?  Why would anyone EVER want to do that,  and how could it possibly make a difference in your healing journey?

Join Wendy and Chris for Part 1 of this lively and frank discussion of the distinct ways that God has used story work groups to bring about deeper and longer lasting change and healing for each of them individually, as well as growth and greater intimacy in their marriage.  You might be surprised at how it works, and how you can experience similar healing and transformation.

The Uniquely Transforming Power of Group Story Work- Pt. 1

Welcome to "The Thriving Lawyers Podcast, brought to you by Chris Osborn and Michael Kahn of ReelTime Creative Learning Experiences!  Join us for candid but ultimately inspiring conversations with lawyers from around the U.S. and Canada (and maybe points beyond) who have found ways to truly thrive in the practice of law.   We may even discuss a movie or two, on our never-ending quest for inspiration, motivation, and practical solutions. (That's how Reel Time got started, after all!)

The Thriving Lawyers Podcast

Join licensed clinical mental health counselor Wendy Osborn and her husband Chris as they share intimately about their journey  through three decades of marriage, and the healing and growth God has brought them individually and as a couple in the process. From a storybook beginning right out of an 80s rom-com, though times of disappointment, heartache, seemingly unresolvable conflict, loss, and grief, their story forms the backdrop for considering how God uses struggle to draw folks closer to the real Jesus. Surviving Saturday is all about holding tenaciously on to hope in the darkest days-- in between the crucifixion on Friday, and his resurrection and ascension on Sunday.  

Brought to you by Nurture Counseling [https://www.nurturecounseling.net/], PLLC in Charlotte, NC, a counselling teaching and training center in Charlotte NC committed to helping families flourish, one story at a time. 

Special thanks to singer/songwriter extraordinaire BIll Mallonee for the licensing rights to use one of our favorite tunes about relational trainwrecks, and the road back to forgiveness, redemption, and renewal of hope.  You can find this tune and more of his music at https://www.billmalloneemusic.com/ or on the Bandcamp app.

The "Surviving Saturday" Podcast

Chris's Show

Encouragement and wisdom from licensed mental health counselor Wendy Osborn and her husband of 35 years, Chris, on how to navigate doubt, betrayal, disappointment, and other hard times in marriage and parenting.  We believe Jesus is a very present help in trouble, and is always at work to bring us closer to Him and to one another.  Our stories from our families of origin often provide important clues to how your styles of relating have been formed and ways that we have tried to make life work on our own terms.  Based on our training through Dan Allender and The Allender Center in narrative focused trauma care, we believe that God enables us to partake of his grace and reflect his glory, and that it is the kindness of the Lord that leads us to repentance and restoration.

Chris

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