Brian sits down with Erin Martin, CEO/founder of Fresh RX Oklahoma and co-lead of the Oklahoma Food Is Medicine Policy Coalition. They discuss her background in gerontology, early work in long-term care, and observations that U.S. older adults average 15+ prescriptions, contrasting with healthier aging and cultural differences she saw in Italy. She describes launching Fresh RX during the pandemic with $185,000 to prescribe locally sourced, low-pesticide food plus lifestyle education for type 2 diabetes patients in North Tulsa, now serving 500+ patients via 22 clinics, measuring biometrics and cost savings with a reported 4–5x ROI. They discuss scaling Food Is Medicine through insurance, bridging it with regenerative sourcing, planned nutrient-density testing, and Erin's shift from veganism to eating beef, bone broth, and marrow. 02:55 Meeting at Sovereignty Ranch 04:37 Erin's Early Gerontology Path 07:15 Regenerative Ag and Hope 08:31 Aging in Italy vs US 12:44 Myths of Aging and Genetics 17:37 Fresh RX in Oklahoma 22:15 Insurance and Policy Momentum 28:32 Bridging Food and Regeneration 31:33 Sourcing Standards Gap 32:13 Accountable FIM Act 34:04 Hill Briefing Explained 34:46 Three Program Types 35:58 Measuring Food Quality 37:09 Nutrient Density Testing 39:36 Meat Dairy Debate 41:01 Aging Protein Myths 43:18 Keto Meets FIM 51:13 Fermented Feed Beef 54:06 Older Adults Can Change 58:25 Leaving Veganism Benefits

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Food Is Medicine Policy, Fresh RX Oklahoma, and Regenerative Agriculture with Erin Martin

Brian interviews Calley Means from HHS about the Trump administration and Secretary Kennedy's push to address chronic disease by focusing on root causes like food and reforming scientific agencies. He describes entrenched incentives in healthcare and government, updates on dietary guidelines and a revised food pyramid emphasizing protein, fruits, vegetables, and reduced ultra-processed foods, and discusses efforts to redefine "ultra-processed" foods. He addresses controversy around glyphosate, explaining farmers' concerns about sudden bans disrupting agriculture, and highlights commitments and incentives for regenerative agriculture. They cover policies to remove soda, candy, and other ultra-processed items from SNAP, changes in school, hospital, and military food procurement, and mention work with outside partners on tools to help Americans make healthier choices.



02:07 Inside HHS Role

04:21 Why Reform Now

05:30 Food Pyramid Overhaul

06:37 NIH and Root Causes

08:16 Health Gets Political

09:41 Empowered Patients

12:35 Glyphosate Backstory

16:52 Market Shifts and SNAP

21:21 Regenerative Ag Funding

23:49 SNAP Soda Crackdown

26:20 School Lunch Pushback

28:35 Fixing School Breakfast

29:43 Farmers And Food Procurement

30:45 Hospitals Stop Serving Junk

33:45 Root Causes Of Chronic Disease

36:11 Defining Ultra Processed Food

39:17 Traditionally Prepared Foods

42:12 Messaging And Food Transparency

44:41 Lifespan Project Incentives

46:55 Policy Shift Toward Prevention

50:35 Inside The White House Role



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Reforming America's Food and Health System: A Deep Dive with Calley Means

In this episode of Peak Human, Brian Sanders sits down with physician, athlete, and author Dr. Jaime Seeman to discuss what it really takes to become "hard to kill."

Dr. Seeman is a practicing OB-GYN, former Mrs. Nebraska, competitive athlete, and metabolic health advocate. After struggling with her own metabolic issues, including prediabetes and hypothyroidism, she transformed her health through diet, strength training, and lifestyle changes.

Together, Brian and Dr. Seeman explore how metabolic dysfunction develops, why muscle is one of the most powerful tools for longevity, and why focusing on nutrients instead of calories may be the key to fixing modern health problems.

They also dive into women's metabolic health, perimenopause, visceral fat, and the role of diet evolution—from ketogenic to carnivore to a flexible real-food approach.

This conversation breaks down the science of human nutrition and performance while offering practical strategies for living stronger, longer, and healthier.

Show Notes 04:00 – Why modern medicine focuses on treatment instead of prevention 07:00 – The growing movement for metabolic health 11:00 – Diet tribes vs. real food 12:00 – Dr. Seeman's personal metabolic health journey 15:00 – Keto, carnivore, and evolving diets 18:00 – The Sapien lifestyle: eating like humans evolved to eat 20:00 – Women's hormones, carbs, and the menstrual cycle 23:00 – Fasted training and metabolic flexibility 27:00 – Nutrient density vs calorie counting 31:00 – Muscle: the most overlooked organ in medicine 33:00 – Visceral fat and hidden metabolic disease 35:00 – Beauty and nutrition 42:00 – C-sections, childbirth, and the infant microbiome



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How to Be Hard to Kill: Metabolic Health, Muscle, and the Truth About Diets with  Dr. Jaime Seeman

After a short break, Peak Human returns with a powerful conversation about one of the biggest problems in modern healthcare: the sick care system.

For decades, the system has been structured around treating illness rather than maintaining health. Incentives are misaligned across the entire industry—from insurance companies and employers to doctors and digital health startups. Despite technological advances, healthcare costs continue rising while population health declines.

In this episode, Anil, a scientist, investor, and systems thinker, introduces a bold alternative: the Lifespan Model. Drawing on experience in biotechnology, Silicon Valley startups, digital health investing, and incentive design, Anil explains how healthcare could be rebuilt around the simple idea that people should be rewarded for keeping others healthy.

Instead of replacing the current system overnight, the Lifespan Model proposes a parallel structure—one that aligns financial incentives with longevity, prevention, and long-term wellbeing.

If implemented, this model could transform healthcare from a trillion-dollar illness industry into a system that actually rewards health.



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00:00 – Peak Human Returns & Show Updates 04:30 – Anil's Background in Science and Startups 08:30 – Systems Thinking and Incentive Design 10:30 – Why the Healthcare System Is Broken 14:30 – The Incentive Problem in Medicine 17:00 – Employer-Based Health Insurance Issues 19:00 – Why Digital Health Hasn't Fixed Healthcare 21:00 – The Technologist's Journey Through Healthcare 23:30 – How Incentives Shape Entire Systems 26:00 – Introducing the Lifespan Model 29:30 – Learning From the Life Insurance Industry 33:00 – Aligning Financial Incentives With Health 36:30 – The Role of Lifespan Agents 40:00 – Technology's Role in Preventive Health 43:00 – Building a Parallel Health System 47:00 – Challenges to Implementing the Model 51:00 – The Future of Healthcare Incentives



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Redifining Healthcare: The Lifespan Mode

In this episode, Chris Krueger and Brian Sanders discuss hormone replacement therapies, particularly HRT (Hormone Replacement Therapy) and TRT (Testosterone Replacement Therapy), highlighting their pitfalls and advocating for natural solutions. Broadcasting from Hawaii, they touch on the importance of lifestyle changes to balance hormones and emphasize dependency on natural hormone production over synthetic replacements. Chris shares critical stories and analogies to illustrate the potential dangers of these therapies, including how improper use can disrupt lives. The discussion also covers the new food pyramid, nutritional insights, and promotes a nutrient-dense diet over processed foods. They touch on the importance of resilience, community, and maintaining a balanced lifestyle. 01:09 Discussing Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) 03:03 The Dangers of Testosterone Replacement Therapy (TRT) 06:01 The Analogy of American Lawn Mowers 12:57 The Food Lies Project and Public Perception 18:37 Discussion on the New Food Pyramid 21:28 Brian's Beach Encounter 22:16 Scientific Papers on Food and Nutrition 25:38 Debate on Carbohydrates and Insulin 33:58 Promoting Products and Upcoming Events

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Sapien Podcast- Beyond Hormones: A Deep Dive Into HRT and TRT

In this episode, Chris and Brian discuss a range of topics as they wrap up the year 2025. They touch on personal holiday experiences, including Brian's unique gift-giving tradition of making meat chips and a humorous discussion about him giving out his phone number on Christmas. The conversation delves into Brian's recent scientific papers on food processing and nutrient energy quotient and debunking some diet myths.



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00:47 Christmas Gifts and Traditions

01:46 Personal Life and Fitness Goals

03:31 Brian's Cool Life in Hawaii

05:14 Boat Trip and Dating Adventures

14:44 Legacy and Scientific Contributions

24:43 Understanding Food's Impact on Health

25:58 Introducing the Nutrient Energy Quotient (NEQ)

27:28 The NEQ Scale and Its Implications

35:16 Debunking Diet Myths

39:25 Conspiracy Theories and Media Manipulation



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72) Conspiracies and Controversies: Unpacking the Truth

In this episode of the Sapien podcast, hosts Brian Sanders and Chris Krueger discuss a range of topics including their New Year's resolutions, personal health challenges, and fitness goals. Chris shares a detailed story about a recent eye procedure and the importance of maintaining good health. They dive into the importance of sustainability in diet and lifestyle, highlighting the benefits of whole, animal-based foods and discussing the concept of healthy lifespan (HALE). The hosts also reflect on specific fitness goals, such as increasing muscle mass and maintaining relative strength, and how these contribute to long-term health. They set ambitious personal challenges for 2023, including goals for strength training, relative strength benchmarks, and maintaining a healthy diet. The episode wraps up with a reflection on the importance of maintaining healthy habits and lifestyle choices for long-term wellbeing.

00:31 New Year's Resolutions: To Make or Not to Make?

01:49 Health Insurance and Crowd Health

06:56 Fitness Goals and Sustainable Living

08:07 Holiday Indulgence and Fitness Maintenance

20:40 The Extremity Challenge: Building Bigger Limbs

26:01 The Real Blue Zones

28:36 Longevity and Diet

30:31 Strength and Exercise Metrics

36:16 New Year's Resolutions and Fitness Metrics



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Sapien Podcast- The Truth About New Year's Resolutions, Longevity & Real Health

In this episode of the Sapien podcast, hosts Chris and Brian Sanders deep into the discussion around GLP-1 agonists like Ozempic and the benefits of achieving natural satiety through proper nutrition. The conversation also touches on the subversive tactics used to manipulate societies. They conclude by reflecting on the importance of proper nourishment and physical fitness as the best investment in one's health. 03:10 Weather Conspiracies and False Flags 07:13 The GLP-1 Debate: Natural vs. Synthetic 09:22 The Importance of Muscle and Sustainable Weight Loss 19:13 Retreat Plans and Community Engagement 24:12 Celebrity Crushes and Movie Pleas 24:47 Dieting and Willpower 26:17 The Concept of Satiety 29:51 Processed Foods and Nutrition 31:52 RFK's Fitness Feats 35:00 Sapien Center and ADA Rant 39:51 Fear, Safety, and Control

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Sapien Podcast- The Dark Side of GLP-1 and the Art of Being Nourished

Chris and Brian discuss a variety of topics including personal health and natural hormone optimization, and a behind-the-scenes look at filmmaking and the challenges of producing the 'Food Lies' documentary. They touch upon the potential health impacts of modern pharmaceuticals, celebrity endorsements, and the ongoing debate between germ theory and terrain theory. The episode wraps up with plans for upcoming retreats aimed at fostering in-depth, quality human connections.



00:14 Oyster Pills and Product Talk

00:46 Soap and Hair Products Discussion

03:15 Racing Lamborghinis and Supplements

03:54 Feedback and Flag Football

07:21 Lane Norton Beef

14:31 Science and Common Sense

23:36 Retreats and Travel

24:43 Booking Retreats and Pranamaya

25:46 Germ Theory vs. Terrain Theory

27:55 COVID-19 and Vaccine Controversies

39:51 The Impact of Documentaries

44:41 Food Lies Documentary and Celebrity Involvement

51:40 The Importance of Quality Time and Retreats



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Sapien Podcast- Hormones, Holistic Health, and Food Lies with Chris Kruger

In this episode, host Brian interviews Kitty Bloomfield and Craig McDonald to explore the transformative benefits of pro-metabolic nutrition. They delve into Kitty's journey from restrictive dieting and health issues to adopting a balanced approach focused on carbs, protein, and fat, emphasizing real, whole foods. Craig provides insights into metabolic health, explaining the significance of carbohydrates for energy and the importance of strength training for muscle building and metabolic optimization. The discussion also covers overcoming binge eating and finding a sustainable, enjoyable way to eat while improving health markers like sleep, energy, and hormonal balance. SHOW NOTES: 01:03 Kitty Bloomfield's Journey: From Restriction to Realization 03:13 Discovering Pro Metabolic Nutrition 04:45 Building a Business and a New Life 07:30 Craig McDonald's Perspective on Nutrition 11:10 The Importance of Individualized Health Metrics 25:41 Debunking Common Nutrition Myths 39:20 Balancing Competing Diet Worlds 39:55 Influencers and Health Issues 40:41 Personal Health Journey 41:31 Carbohydrates and Weightlifting 42:30 Understanding Carbohydrate Limits 46:36 Importance of Strength Training 57:59 Vegetables and Thyroid Health 01:06:06 Tracking and Eating Disorders

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Transforming Health through Pro-Metabolic Nutrition with Kitty Bloomfield and Craig McDonald

Peak Human is a curated audio series taking an unbiased look at health & nutrition. With so much conflicting information available, filmmaker and health coach Brian Sanders sifts through the dogma and provides a framework that unifies all nutrition and dietary habits that lead to optimum health. World renowned doctors, researchers, and journalists are interviewed to find out what is the true human dietary framework that we should all be eating to live well and free of chronic disease. It is based around principles of nutrient density and uses a combination of ancestral health and modern science. It is produced ad-free to support the documentary 'Food Lies' (FoodLies.org)

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