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Episode 5 of series 14: Dog's Days of Summer... Autumn Transcript



Simone shares her expertise on identifying, controlling, and redirecting predatory behaviors through various training techniques and games, ensuring safety and solidifying the human-animal connection.



Guest Bio: Simone Mueller, MA is a certified dog trainer and dog behaviour consultant (ATN) from Germany.
She specialises in force-free anti-predation training and is the author of the books of the Predation Substitute Training series.
Simone is proud to be an Associate Trainer at the Scotland-based Lothlorien Dog Training Club (AT-LDTC) and a member of The Initiative of Force-Free Dog Training, the Pet Professional Guild (PPG) and the Pet Dog Trainers of Europe (PDTE).
Follow Simone’s work on Facebook and Instagram: #predationsubstitutetraining
Learn more: http://www.predation-substitute-training.com

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129. Predation in Practice with Simone Müller (Archived from Series 4: The Animal Protagonist)

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Episode 4 of Series 14: Dog's Days of Summer

We discuss the cultural acceptance of these dogs in India, their social structures, and the recent controversial legislation in New Delhi aimed at removing street dogs. This episode also delves into larger themes of human-animal relationships, ethics, and the importance of respecting canine autonomy.



Guest Bio: Sindhoor is a canine behaviour consultant, Galen myotherapist, an independent ethology researcher, an engineer by qualification and an educator in Bangalore, India. She is a TEDx speaker, the author of the book, Dog Knows and an independent ethology researcher studying the free-living dogs in India. Sindhoor is the founder of BHARCS. BHARCS offers a UK-accredited level 4 diploma on canine behaviour and ethology and boasts of students from all parts of India and across the globe. Sindhoor is also the country representative for Pet Dog Trainers of Europe (PDTE) and is currently pursuing her masters in Anthrozoology from Exeter University (UK). 



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Material Links: Dog Activists in India [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnpbDY8p5pQ]

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128. The Culture of Free Living Dogs with Sindhoor Pangal (Archived Ep. 49/S6. The Animal Protagonist )

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Episode 3 of Series 14: Dog's Days of Summer

Dr. Clive Wynne from July 2022,  shares insights from his book 'Dog Is Love' and discusses why dogs succeed in our world by forming powerful emotional bonds. Then, dog trainer Kate Lasala joins me, along with a visit from Dr. Wynne, to chat about dog stuff:)



Guest Bio:
Professor Clive D. L. Wynne, Ph.D. hails from the UK and has lived and worked in Germany and Australia in addition to the United States where he is now based.  Wynne melds his wide personal experience with dogs and wolves with a deep professional involvement in the science of canids. His primary area of research is the behavior and cognition of dogs in interaction with humans, but he has also published on canine genetics and collaborates with archaeologists and anthropologists in understanding the origin of dogs.  His research papers count among the most highly-cited studies on dog psychology. He is the author of a textbook, now in its third edition, Animal Cognition, and Do Animals Think? (Princeton University Press 2004), an academic book on animal intelligence. His research is also regularly featured in many news media, and he is often called on to offer an opinion on the latest findings. He has appeared in several television documentaries about dogs on CBC, PBS, BBC, Netflix among others. His online class on dog behavior on EdX.org has been taken by over 18,000 people.



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127. Its All About The Dogs...with Clive Wynne (Archived- Special Ep 27)

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Episode 2 of Series 14: Dog's Days of Summer 

We explore the research on bite risks, the experiences of postal workers, and the challenges faced by dog owners. We discuss the lasting impacts on families and communities, and the social narratives surrounding aggressive behaviors in dogs. We'll also hear from dog trainer Kate La Sala about hands-on training perspectives and the importance of clear communication.

Guest Bio:  Dr. Sara Owczarczak-Garstecka is a pet welfare and human-animal interactions researcher. Her expertise involves the prevention of dog bites at home and within work environments, approaches to understanding dog owners' attitudes and public views of dog behaviour and welfare needs, human-behaviour change approaches, survey design and research methodologies. 

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126. Dog Bites: The Fallout and Emotional Toll with Dr. Sara Owczarczak-Garstecka (Archived from Ep 6. Series 1- Health and Wellbeing)

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Episode 1 of Series 14: Dog's Days of Summer! This episode was archived from the Aggression in Dogs Conference 2022

Guest Bio: In this first episode, Marika Bell revisits her insightful conversation with Suzanne Clothier from the Aggression in Dogs Conference 2022, focusing on the individualistic approach to dog training and the deep connections between humans and animals, with co-host Kate Lasala providing her expertise as a dog behavior consultant and grief companion.

Suzanne Clothier has worked with animals professionally since 1977, with a background includes obedience, agility, puppy testing, breeding, Search and Rescue, conformation, instructing, kennel management and AAT.
Her Relationship Centered Training™ approach blends science and heart to create humane, effective and practical solutions for dogs and the people who work with them, whether professional working dogs or couch warming companions. Her suite of assessment tools provide a powerful framework for trainers and organizations:

RAT™ (Relationship Assessment Tool) – handler/dog dynamics, rapid assessment plus ability to track and compare
CARAT™ (Clothier Animal Response Assessment Tool) – temperament assessment on 6 categories, 21 dimensions
FAT™ (Functional Assessment Tool, release in 2022) – global of functionality/welfare assessment across physiological, social and cognitive dimensions

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Join me and my guest co-host Dog trainer, Kate Lasala, from reimagine look at foundational episodes from series 1. 

These aren't repeats, they're focused episodes highlighting many of the ways that humans and their canine companions live and learn to thrive together. 

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Dr. Lori Gruen, a philosopher and scholar in animal studies. Join us as to unpack what these primates can teach us about power, intimacy, and societal structures.

Guest: Lori Gruen [https://www.lorigruen.com/]is the William Griffin Professor of Philosophy and Professor of Feminist, Gender, and Sexuality Studies and Science in Society at Wesleyan University where she also coordinates Wesleyan Animal Studies. Her work lies at the intersection of ethical and political theory and practice, with a particular focus on issues that impact those often overlooked in traditional ethical investigations, e.g. women, people of color, incarcerated people, non-human animals. She is currently working to unpack carceral logics by thinking through a complex set of issues like dignity, self-respect, empathy, disposability, and hope and hopelessness.

Book Recommendation:  Doggerel: Poems by Reginald Dwayne Betts [https://www.amazon.com/Reginald-Dwayne-Betts/e/B003EZ1O58/ref=dp_byline_cont_book_1] 

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124. What Can a Matriarchal Society Teach Us About Sex and Compassion? A Bonobo Perspective with Dr. Lori Gruen (S13)

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Episode 6 of the series: Sex and Animals Transcript

Discover how captivity and artificial breeding programs impact these intelligent creatures' wellbeing and autonomy. Learn about the shift towards ethical practices.  

Guest: Lori Marino is a neuroscientist who has studied animal behavior, neuroanatomy, and intelligence for over thirty years. She is an adjunct professor in Animal Studies at New York University, Executive Director of The Kimmela Center for Animal Advocacy and President of the Whale Sanctuary Project. Lori is internationally known for her work on the evolution of the brain and intelligence in dolphins and whales (as well as primates and farmed animals). She has published over 150 peer-reviewed scientific papers, book chapters, and magazine articles on comparative brain anatomy and cognition, self-awareness in nonhuman animals, human-nonhuman animal relationships, and captive wild animal welfare.  Lori also works at the intersection of science and law. She is co-director of the Animal Law and Science Project at George Washington University and an adjunct faculty at the Vermont Law and Graduate School, where she co-teaches a course in Science of Animal Law and Policy

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Special Episode: Psychology for Human Animal Intergroup relations. PHAIR 2025 Register! [https://phair2025.co.uk/]  Transcript

Guests: Dr Matti Wilks is a Lecturer in the Department of Psychology at the University of Edinburgh. She completed her PhD at the University of Queensland, Australia, and was a postdoctoral fellow at Princeton and Yale Universities. She is generally interested in morality and related things. Her research mostly focuses on the moral circle and moral development, with a particular focus on moral concern for distant others (distant people, non-human animals, AI) and the motivations of unusually altruistic individuals. She also examines perceptions of AI, attitudes towards cultured meat, and the natural-is-better bias. 

Dr Luke McGuire is a Senior Lecturer in the Department of Psychology at the University of Exeter. His research focuses on social and moral development, with a particular focus on development in middle childhood and adolescence across a range of contexts where moral concerns conflict with social norms. Most recently, his research has come to focus on children’s and adolescents’ moral judgments about the treatment of non-human animals. This work has been published in Trends in Cognitive Sciences, Child Development, and Social Psychological and Personality Science. 

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Luke's Rec: Dispossessed [https://www.amazon.com/Dispossessed-50th-Anniversary-Ursula-Guin/dp/0063382938/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0] by Ursula Le Guinn



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Dr. Jonathan Balcombe elaborates on the nuanced distinctions between consciousness and sentience, emphasizing that emotions and feelings play crucial roles in animals' daily lives, much like in humans. 

Guest: Dr. Jonathan Balcombe is a biologist and ethologist whose work has reshaped how we think about animal consciousness and behavior. Born in England and raised in New Zealand and Canada, he spent decades in the U.S. before settling in southern Ontario, where he balances his scientific pursuits with a love for biking, baking, birding, and observing the ever-mysterious squirrels in his neighborhood.

Jonathan has authored five popular science books, including What a Fish Knows, Pleasurable Kingdom, and Super Fly, bringing compelling research on animal intelligence and emotion to a wide audience. His contributions extend beyond writing—he has published over 60 scientific papers, led academic departments, and worked as an editor, shaping conversations on animal sentience and protection. Jonathan works as an independent author, and performs editing services for aspiring and established authors. More... [https://www.jonathanbalcombe.com/]

Book Recommendation: Watership Down [https://www.amazon.com/Watership-Down-Novel-Richard-Adams/dp/0743277708/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3JBNN33GLLSGS&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.dn0YkhsdWRpsXyXxW2Y2th6NSTBt8p4FEsp6pAGotvexhKM9hh8L0J-EA8VGLKKYhL7roF3BIelYLm5J0Yl7XZyGR_fBGU8LPt976Gr_a8PG529Nj1Ul_sza7jwdtJ49SZeKAtH5MyrhAXzKdnmyUsqWXHHXtLBaUTvGE3DsWMKl7ybddfKjAva9J2GqaFS_qQj_oSmFVMxqZn0sJndkyYPjFNZmZ4eA8V6NReYk_6Y.jY4VJkHeVDFGCP4L4l5Rx0zn9ORWc6zkad6mNXDcGeo&dib_tag=se&keywords=watership+down&qid=1747168875&s=books&sprefix=watership+down%2Cstripbooks%2C170&sr=1-1] by Richard Adams

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121. Is the Joy of Sex Common Across Species? with Dr. Jonathan Balcombe (S13)

Humans interact with animals every day of our lives. Even those without pets
interact with animals in various ways: diet, wildlife, the clothes they wear.
Even most medicines use animals in testing or in the medicine itself. This is a
podcast about Anthrozoology: the study of interaction between humans and
non-human animals. My hope is to help in research accessibility to listeners
while bringing the lived experience of our human connection with animals to
academia. www.thedealwithanimals.com hosted and edited by Marika S. Bell. Music
composed by Kai Strandskov https://kaistrandskov.com Support this podcast:
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