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" it seems to me that development could be as revolutionary as the domestication of animals itself 10, 000 years ago." - Dr. Shapiro

Technology's role in animal advocacy and science takes center stage. Lab-grown meat and alternatives to animal testing, such as organs on a chip, are highlighted as transformative developments that could profoundly reduce animal exploitation.

Guest Bio:  Dr. Kenneth Shapiro is cofounder and President of the Board of Animals and Society Institute, and founding editor of Society and Animals and other human-animal studies publications. With a BA from Harvard in American Studies and a PhD in Clinical and Personality Psychology from Duke, his work spans vegetarianism, animal advocacy, and critiques of lab research. He’s published books, including Animal Models of Human Psychology (1998), and guides on treating animal abuse. Based in Washington Grove, MD, he tends to a bluebird trail, a pollinator meadow, and enjoys vegan cooking. Learn more at animalsandsociety.org.  [https://www.animalsandsociety.org/]

Book Recommendation: Abundant Earth: Toward an Ecological Civilization [https://www.amazon.com/Abundant-Earth-Toward-Ecological-Civilization/dp/022659680X] by Eileen Crist

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43: October Special! The Beagle Project with Lindsey Hamrick, HSUS [https://www.buzzsprout.com/1960880/episodes/13141379-43-october-special-the-beagle-project-with-lindsey-hamrick-hsus]

E21: Spring Special! Hal Herzog: On the the Past, Present, and Future of Anthrozoology [https://www.buzzsprout.com/1960880/episodes/13141402-e21-spring-special-hal-herzog-on-the-the-past-present-and-future-of-anthrozoology]


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119. April Special! What Does the Future Hold for Human-Animal Studies with Dr. Ken Shapiro?

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Being a researcher thoroughly acquainted with the Shackleford Banks horses during her PhD, she was uniquely positioned to investigate the behavioral changes noticed by the National Park Service when they introduced contraceptive management. This intervention aimed to control the horse population to protect the island's endangered plants and animals that were being impacted by overgrazing.

Guest Bio: Dr. Cassandra Nunez [https://www.memphis.edu/biology/people/faculty/cassandra-nunez.php] is interested in the effects of wildlife management practices on target species’ behavior and physiology, and  how these patterns can better inform management and advance basic knowledge of the linkages among animal behavior, physiology, and the surrounding ecology.

As human populations continue to grow, the management of wildlife species is becoming increasingly necessary. As stewards of wild populations, we have a responsibility to manage them with the most effective and ethical means possible.

 My research suggests that if we are to achieve this goal, we must better understand the potential individual- and population-level side-effects of our management practices. I incorporate the natural history, behavioral ecology, and the physiology of species to better understand these issues, to more effectively conserve and manage animal populations, and to better understand the basic biology of organisms.

Book Recommendations: An Immense World [https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/616914/an-immense-world-by-ed-yong/] by Ed Yong [https://edyong.me/] and Are We Smart Enough to Know How Smart Animals Are? [https://www.amazon.com/Are-Smart-Enough-Know-Animals/dp/0393353664] by Frans de Waal 

Related Episodes:  99. Reintroductions and Management with Dr Liz Peterson, Dr. Julie Young, and Dr. Rachel Chock (S10) [https://www.buzzsprout.com/1960880/episodes/15005330-99-reintroductions-and-management-with-dr-liz-peterson-dr-julie-young-and-dr-rachel-chock-s10]

97. Urbanization and Industrialization (It's Effects on Behavior and Cognition) with Dr. Kathleen Church and Dr. Lauren Stanton (S10) [https://www.buzzsprout.com/1960880/episodes/14901996-97-urbanization-and-industrialization-it-s-effects-on-behavior-and-cognition-with-dr-kathleen-church-and-dr-lauren-stanton-s10]

94. Rapid Environmental Change with Dr. Rachel Blakey and Dr. Kasey Fowler-Finn (S10 [https://www.buzzsprout.com/1960880/episodes/14732954-94-rapid-environmental-change-with-dr-rachel-blakey-and-dr-kasey-fowler-finn-s10])

E15: The History of the Conservation Movement with Author and Journalist, Michelle Nijhuis [https://www.buzzsprout.com/1960880/episodes/13141410-e15-the-history-of-the-conservation-movement-with-author-and-journalist-michelle-nijhuis]


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118. What Happens When Feral Horses Use Contraception? with Dr. Cassandra Nunez (S13)

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Episode 3 of Series 13, Sex and Animals  

Renowned as a feminist, vegan advocate, and author, Carol J. Adams, brings us into the intricate relationship between these movements in a fascinating conversation that reveals cultural narratives reinforcing gender norms and animal consumption.

Guest Bio: Carol J. Adams is a feminist scholar and activist whose work explores the cultural construction of overlapping and interconnected oppressions, as well as the ethics of care. In December 2024, Adams’s iconic The Sexual Politics of Meat: A Feminist-Vegan Critical Theory, will appear in a 35th anniversary edition.

Her articles have appeared in the New York Times, the Washington Post, Ms. Magazine, Tikkun, and Truthdig, among others. She has been an activist against sexual violence, racism, and homelessness, and for reproductive justice and fair housing
www.caroljadams.com [https://caroljadams.com/]

Book Recommendation: The Sexual Politics of Meat - 35th Anniversary Edition [https://www.bloomsbury.com/us/sexual-politics-of-meat--35th-anniversary-edition-9798765123676/] by Carol J. Adams and "A good Vegan Cookbook"- Try this... The Free Celebrity Veganuary Cookbook! [https://veganuary.com/en-us/get-your-celebrity-cookbook/]

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104. Exploring Hinduism, Dairy & Mother Cow with Yamini Narayanan (Featured Ep.66/S7) [https://www.buzzsprout.com/1960880/episodes/13141354-104-exploring-hinduism-dairy-mother-cow-with-yamini-narayanan-featured-ep-66-s7]

64: Animals in World Religions with Author, Dr. Lisa Kemmerer (S7) [https://www.buzzsprout.com/1960880/episodes/13141356-64-animals-in-world-religions-with-author-dr-lisa-kemmerer-s7]


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117. Can Feminism and Veganism Challenge Patriarchy? A Conversation with Dr. Carol J. Adams (S13)

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"Creativity is all about problem solving." - Dr. Gigliotti

Guest Bio: Carola Gigliotti is an author, artist, animal activist, and scholar whose work focuses on the reality of animals’ lives as important contributors to the biodiversity of this planet. She is Professor Emerita of Design and Dynamic Media and Critical and Cultural Studies at the Emily Carr University of Design, Vancouver, BC. CANADA  

To connect with Carol: https://www.facebook.com/carol.gigliotti, @carolgigliotti.bsky.social,   https://carolgigliotti.com/dir/

Book Recommendation: The Emotional Lives of Animals (revised): A Leading Scientist Explores Animal Joy, Sorrow, and Empathy ― and Why They Matter [https://www.amazon.com/Emotional-Lives-Animals-revised-Scientist/dp/1608689190/ref=sr_1_1?crid=G25NZVSTM10J&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.J4ZMg9GoIsShXnZNyzHpobxCI5vnShEJj5Po_tNt3VRp4RoO3dhdCE7hXVSvl3KyoIvzS0-tT9bb0m_k0x9d0bhZ5Zwof8opGiNqDTph4kGrUcDPpXr5__ItR_vdAfCKMHCn9ydTJDZ0Svhk1nzu505UcGyaY7aVh7MMljeJaIgB7UQEdairG1mz-chfTh8HL2Y2Mi9MNHhXCiRrXux9EUTm-GykrfbZCIY6mfk6NRc.XlbC7xYGwyLGdjbbWgijy-tcR_c1pUMWKuc-i0FkGoY&dib_tag=se&keywords=marc+bekoff&qid=1741471446&sprefix=marc+bekof%2Caps%2C191&sr=8-1] by Marc Bekoff

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105. What Can Animals Tell Us About Ancient Egypt? with PhD, Linda Evans (S12: Animals in Art and Culture) [https://www.buzzsprout.com/1960880/episodes/15742246]

47: Expressions of Emotion in Animals with Dr. Mariska Kret (S6) [https://www.buzzsprout.com/1960880/episodes/13141374]



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116. Creative Courtship: Lessons from Animal Others with Author, Dr. Carol Gigliotti (S13)

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 In this episode, Dr. Patricia Brennan explores the evolutionary battles between male and female genital adaptations, revealing how animals like ducks and dolphins develop complex reproductive strategies. Through her work, she highlights the surprising ways that nature grants females reproductive autonomy despite intense sexual conflict. 

Guest Bio: Dr. Patricia Brennan is an evolutionary biologist specializing in reproductive anatomy and sexual selection, with research spanning birds, snakes, bats, dolphins, and sharks. Originally from Colombia, she earned her undergraduate degree in Marine Biology and conducted marine mammal research around the Galápagos before shifting her focus to birds during her PhD at Cornell University. Her groundbreaking work on avian genitalia has expanded to broader studies on genital coevolution, exploring how reproductive structures evolve in response to mating strategies. Now based in Amherst, MA, she continues to lead innovative research, currently supported by an NSF Career Grant to study genital evolution in snakes.

Book Recommendations: Vagina Obscura: An Anatomical Voyage [https://www.amazon.com/Vagina-Obscura-Anatomical-Rachel-Gross/dp/1324050535/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1VPI20GCRRP0&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.vpLACO5AVdmIzOefy8ngmBLEAQIbArZ2yF1MGWvDFfAGHIFnUZ2BV8Vt4zM84lZompK6sQzsF34NY14l5CtmonMH7TfZqZoOw0OhH_s1XGmUcbGu89CwCnWzmYD9z5ezIB4YOZzApZWaUFlYmlRLVQ.1GaU8YvZBxsU4EVg84KF2fJozZGWrKSNh9_LWX2WCTw&dib_tag=se&keywords=vagina+obscura&qid=1738698816&sprefix=vagina+obscura%2Caps%2C161&sr=8-1] by Rachel Gross and Bitch: On the Female of the Species [https://www.amazon.com/Bitch-Female-Species-Lucy-Cooke/dp/154167491X/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3R6NX4N1CMU19&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.G_Eu8gr9OxxaK_cz3qTuoxqB8pcCHLMPtIW8StDF_HMc-imlNVApRU6FdfoJP-28z3RunzkBBJUyUoymQ0edTdlCVIC_zRpOlUZTnPn_tHIWvGxxnPnCk-64rMYVZyOe9KkW2ckVmO7gjagRHMzD46chepyLgFI5FQAwFInu2NQ.jpJ03VtxBoLJ6cUNyOkPVAyit1Wi4ea9GTQTZhUjri4&dib_tag=se&keywords=Bitch+by+lucy+cooke&qid=1738698877&sprefix=bitch+by+lucy+cook%2Caps%2C155&sr=8-1] by Lucy Cooke

Related Episodes: E22: Ecofeminism and Entangled Empathy with Lori Gruen [https://open.spotify.com/episode/4CIhXwH7N1ZU7ZkHYE1FhG?si=aef96dc05c954e1b]

93: Human Relevant Testing: A Conversation on Enhancing Human Health and Animal Welfare with Dr. Aysha Akhtar (S9) [https://open.spotify.com/episode/0FJgYU4Egir4JScpf3oZHD?si=k4EgOvAVSs20Ob716jyfFg]

57: Valentines Special!: Furry Fandom with Victoria Gersdorf [https://open.spotify.com/episode/0SdN2rvZL02rjdEUmVy8EF?si=3e513c91e453461d]

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115. The Genitalia Arms Race! with Dr. Patty Brennan

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Dr. Amy Shroff’s work focuses on implementing sustainable solutions for managing stray animal populations globally through the TNVR method—Trap, Neuter, Vaccinate, and Release.

“The goal is not just rescuing animals, but teaching communities how to manage their stray populations humanely, ensuring long-term solutions for both the animals and the people they live with.”- Dr. Amy Shroff

Guest Bio:
Dr. Amy Shroff is a veterinarian, founder of Let's Save the Strays International [https://savethestrays.rescuegroups.org/], and a passionate advocate for the humane management of stray animal populations. She specializes in the TNVR approach, helping marginalized animals in countries such as Thailand, Ukraine, and beyond. Dr. Shroff has worked internationally to improve stray animal welfare, reducing human-animal conflict while promoting sustainable solutions for overpopulation.

Guest Book Recommendation: The Hummingbird's Gift [https://www.amazon.com/Hummingbirds-Gift-Wonder-Beauty-Renewal/dp/1982176083/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&dib_tag=se&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.IWU9ZIVFRgB_Sptr_6HXfw.VoKm0uTjg9pMKvC-_CSgrq4fvcf6cOEdcgjc7E6XAGo&qid=1738009099&sr=8-1] by Sy Montgomery

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Episode 74: On The Move: Exploring Companion Animal Transport with Dr. Lori Jervis (S8) [https://open.spotify.com/episode/5ijmuX6QDmL3q01pZz9jVt]

Episode 63: EVAT Mini-series (Part 6): Free-Living Cats and Farm Animal Sanctuaries a Round Table with Kris Hill and Dr. Jacqui Sadashige [https://open.spotify.com/episode/5TIstjgggYBnc4iBw1lJsf]

Episode 49: The Culture of Free Living Dogs with Sindhoor Pangal (S6) [https://open.spotify.com/episode/0KfdgS1BkEZfVmZbTUEL9r]

Episode18: Breaking stereotypes and talking about cats with The Trap King, Sterling Davis [https://anchor.fm/anthrozoo/episodes/E18-Breaking-Stereotypes-and-Talking-About-Cats-with-The-TrapKing--Sterling-Davis-e19oafc]

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114. Let's Save the Strays! with Dr. Amy Shroff (Special Episode)

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In series 13 we will be covering topics from The Sexual Politics of Meat with Carol J. Adams to The Genitalia Arms Race with Dr. Patricia Brennan. 

This series is going to be unexpected, mind blowing, and above all, fascinating! Learn everything you didn't know you wanted to know about Sex and Animals... and possibly a little you didn't want to know as well. 

Series starts February 24th- follow on your podcasting listening platform, or sign up for the TDWA Newsletter at www.thedealwithanimals.com 


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Series Thirteen: Sex and Animals- Trailer

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A Crossover Special! This is a fascinating conversation between Claudia Hirtenfelder and Carol Gigliotti from The Animal Turn [https://www.theanimalturnpodcast.com/] podcast. They discuss Gigliotti's groundbreaking book 'The Creative Lives of Animals [https://www.amazon.com/Creative-Lives-Animals-Context/dp/1479815446],' which explores animal creativity, cognition, and agency.

Be sure to catch the previous episode with Claudia as a guest on TDWA for a round table discussion with Marika and artist, Shannon Johnstone about Banksy's 2024 "London Zoo Series" 

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113. The Animal Turn Crossover ...with Carol Gigliotti and Claudia Hirtenfelder (S12)

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Guests: Claudia Towne Hirtenfelder began the Animal Turn in February 2020 as a culmination of her interests in animals, ethics, and media. 

She completed her PhD in Geography at Queen's University in Kingston, Ontario. Her scholarly interests sit in the intersection of geography, urban studies, animal studies, history and power relations. 

Claudia is the founder and former host of Beyond Canada: International Thought and Scholarship. You can find Claudia on Twitter (@ClaudiaFTowne)



Mary Shannon Johnstone received her BFA from The School of the Art Institute of Chicago, and MFA in photography from Rochester Institute of Technology.

She is the recipient of numerous awards including "Pause, To Begin" artist, Critical Mass Top 50 (2009, 2010), and Honorable Mention in Lens Culture's 2010 International Exposure Awards. Johnstone is a tenured Associate Professor at Meredith College in NC



Book Recommendations: Claudia's Recommendations- Beyond Words [https://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Words-What-Animals-Think/dp/0285643460/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&dib_tag=se&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.bvzSBUe8mCKIg-RvqyM505WTTo4k_Fx-RZhMp_7r8MgY9pu57S1BOM0gCTOqIgmNXxf8mvFi-ywJhDC0K2bYx5xj9NVqeKWzBqKnBTjgFH-hHUBMxJv8DzX49hP6z1d1GAG8A-OzqgQ93eSf0OwBxJad3eOLrdxvEPoLzEHG6giquqyPQGjr3454bXUIU1gN9PJRYXcfOjLChol5rvKdRSpG6K4ZpBlMbM4ESpMDRbg.8pOu9He6Eq490CYCNQU-pZ-FUnGlYrbTXdwSByxSrP4&qid=1734121407&sr=1-1]by Cark Safina and What a Fish Knows: The Inner Lives of Our Underwater Cousins [https://www.amazon.com/What-Fish-Knows-Underwater-Cousins/dp/0374537097/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&dib_tag=se&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.eMaTZJJL4QVB1bSWrRYPByXwaiVoDmrA8zjrALxoArvGjHj071QN20LucGBJIEps.YJcl2ZvWhXtyz6EoIFalGJcxWlezTbdAKLYYnzdvNbY&qid=1734121526&sr=1-1] by Jonathan Balcombe 

Shannon's Recommendation- We Animals [https://www.amazon.com/We-Animals-Jo-Anne-McArthur/dp/159056426X/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3DU9G5HWU9HKA&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.WNRefVMIDiN1_o596Itkxen0yhIrl3YXCfrmYIkFRpxHS38MZlwii8iA16gYRWQu1B8vucDia79UcSxq2zMdCHRSNefw6n93tzH-cyeF7S4.mQc4vepk579wH8tOKID625AKaomLgtu5Jl8s3aAYXNM&dib_tag=se&keywords=we+animals+joanne+mcarthur&qid=1734121988&sprefix=we+animals+joanne+mcarthu%2Caps%2C200&sr=8-1] by Jo-Anne Mcarthur.

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112.  A Very Banksy Roundtable with Claudia Hirtenfelder and Shannon Johnstone

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A delightful exploration of chickens as intelligent and complex creatures, prompting us to reconsider our perceptions of these common animals.

December Special! with Author Sy Montgomery

Guest: Sy Montgomery is a celebrated naturalist, author, and adventurer whose work has taken her to some of the wildest places on Earth. The Boston Globe described her as "Part Indiana Jones and Part Emily Dickenson". With 38 books to her name, including The Soul of an Octopus, The Good Good Pig, and now, What a Chicken Knows,  Montgomery has won numerous awards for her writing. She continues to inspire readers of all ages by exploring the profound connections between humans and animals at a critical moment for our planet's future.

Book Recommendations:  Exodus: Book 2-The Bible by Someone who was there?
(I don't think you need a link for this one) But her reason for choosing this one is apropos.

Other Links:
What a Chicken Knows [https://www.amazon.com/What-Chicken-Knows-Appreciation-Familiar/dp/B0CXZBSXMZ/ref=sr_1_1?crid=30SJ3C6XKX6IE&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.HL0BovPiWpSKJr7PSIIhL77EBzvYpVlK-9Hay0QsyvEvSg3OxwrD-86435UAFCohQWFDwM_rQY_6McDJDD9wcFnzzEU4cpzZ9BZYldRPlgfEwKyaJqb8vmsI_wKRXZgE-TPkPGz8atzxOVUyPf1oj79kggsNT0DLDEvR_N_MFYFcHfwB5R5RvCtT4qKnLfdWH1TNGe5rZwGzS-Sr264t9afno3mbGNOhdHDcBedA6B4._1Js7_BKUIupKHY80A5vUOSSFzjwYdcd2uB6ZNI_9YQ&dib_tag=se&keywords=what+a+chicken+knows&qid=1734119521&sprefix=what+a+ch%2Caps%2C501&sr=8-1] by Sy Montgomery
Animal Liberation [https://www.amazon.com/Animal-Liberation-Now-Definitive-Classic-ebook/dp/B0C24WL6XF/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?crid=25JD69JJ3B3FC&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.8jKU0ULaCs6mzgy7zMCaQ6LN67YCmkYHjM6e8ve5J4cfUIBkxE80D6S0W5VXOxEf41KX3NmWjldMRrU36K_Eb86pZGrzp9ikxphrC3rewI6c3PsF_hLxiVy-bkgcTSb5wtZYJOsCDMSQcZxP_11IxA.4PoVCmMFh7nMcMeg_-0_s0eflbrQdGXZY6Xdcu6GZA8&dib_tag=se&keywords=animal+liberation+now+peter+singer&qid=1734119625&sprefix=Animal+Liberation%2Caps%2C154&sr=8-2-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&psc=1] by Peter Singer


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111. December Special! What a Chicken Knows...with Author, Sy Montgomery

Humans interact with animals every day of our lives. Even those without pets
interact with animals in various ways: diet, wildlife, the clothes they wear.
Even most medicines use animals in testing or in the medicine itself. This is a
podcast about Anthrozoology: the study of interaction between humans and
non-human animals. My hope is to help in research accessibility to listeners
while bringing the lived experience of our human connection with animals to
academia. www.thedealwithanimals.com hosted and edited by Marika S. Bell. Music
composed by Kai Strandskov https://kaistrandskov.com Support this podcast:
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