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Guests: Claudia Towne Hirtenfelder began the Animal Turn in February 2020 as a culmination of her interests in animals, ethics, and media. 

She completed her PhD in Geography at Queen's University in Kingston, Ontario. Her scholarly interests sit in the intersection of geography, urban studies, animal studies, history and power relations. 

Claudia is the founder and former host of Beyond Canada: International Thought and Scholarship. You can find Claudia on Twitter (@ClaudiaFTowne)



Mary Shannon Johnstone received her BFA from The School of the Art Institute of Chicago, and MFA in photography from Rochester Institute of Technology.

She is the recipient of numerous awards including "Pause, To Begin" artist, Critical Mass Top 50 (2009, 2010), and Honorable Mention in Lens Culture's 2010 International Exposure Awards. Johnstone is a tenured Associate Professor at Meredith College in NC



Book Recommendations: Claudia's Recommendations- Beyond Words [https://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Words-What-Animals-Think/dp/0285643460/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&dib_tag=se&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.bvzSBUe8mCKIg-RvqyM505WTTo4k_Fx-RZhMp_7r8MgY9pu57S1BOM0gCTOqIgmNXxf8mvFi-ywJhDC0K2bYx5xj9NVqeKWzBqKnBTjgFH-hHUBMxJv8DzX49hP6z1d1GAG8A-OzqgQ93eSf0OwBxJad3eOLrdxvEPoLzEHG6giquqyPQGjr3454bXUIU1gN9PJRYXcfOjLChol5rvKdRSpG6K4ZpBlMbM4ESpMDRbg.8pOu9He6Eq490CYCNQU-pZ-FUnGlYrbTXdwSByxSrP4&qid=1734121407&sr=1-1]by Cark Safina and What a Fish Knows: The Inner Lives of Our Underwater Cousins [https://www.amazon.com/What-Fish-Knows-Underwater-Cousins/dp/0374537097/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&dib_tag=se&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.eMaTZJJL4QVB1bSWrRYPByXwaiVoDmrA8zjrALxoArvGjHj071QN20LucGBJIEps.YJcl2ZvWhXtyz6EoIFalGJcxWlezTbdAKLYYnzdvNbY&qid=1734121526&sr=1-1] by Jonathan Balcombe 

Shannon's Recommendation- We Animals [https://www.amazon.com/We-Animals-Jo-Anne-McArthur/dp/159056426X/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3DU9G5HWU9HKA&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.WNRefVMIDiN1_o596Itkxen0yhIrl3YXCfrmYIkFRpxHS38MZlwii8iA16gYRWQu1B8vucDia79UcSxq2zMdCHRSNefw6n93tzH-cyeF7S4.mQc4vepk579wH8tOKID625AKaomLgtu5Jl8s3aAYXNM&dib_tag=se&keywords=we+animals+joanne+mcarthur&qid=1734121988&sprefix=we+animals+joanne+mcarthu%2Caps%2C200&sr=8-1] by Jo-Anne Mcarthur.

The London Exhibition Review [https://www.myartbroker.com/artist-banksy/articles/banksy-london-zoo-new-animal-murals]- MyArtBroker.com


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112.  A Very Banksy Roundtable with Claudia Hirtenfelder and Shannon Johnstone

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A delightful exploration of chickens as intelligent and complex creatures, prompting us to reconsider our perceptions of these common animals.

December Special! with Author Sy Montgomery

Guest: Sy Montgomery is a celebrated naturalist, author, and adventurer whose work has taken her to some of the wildest places on Earth. The Boston Globe described her as "Part Indiana Jones and Part Emily Dickenson". With 38 books to her name, including The Soul of an Octopus, The Good Good Pig, and now, What a Chicken Knows,  Montgomery has won numerous awards for her writing. She continues to inspire readers of all ages by exploring the profound connections between humans and animals at a critical moment for our planet's future.

Book Recommendations:  Exodus: Book 2-The Bible by Someone who was there?
(I don't think you need a link for this one) But her reason for choosing this one is apropos.

Other Links:
What a Chicken Knows [https://www.amazon.com/What-Chicken-Knows-Appreciation-Familiar/dp/B0CXZBSXMZ/ref=sr_1_1?crid=30SJ3C6XKX6IE&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.HL0BovPiWpSKJr7PSIIhL77EBzvYpVlK-9Hay0QsyvEvSg3OxwrD-86435UAFCohQWFDwM_rQY_6McDJDD9wcFnzzEU4cpzZ9BZYldRPlgfEwKyaJqb8vmsI_wKRXZgE-TPkPGz8atzxOVUyPf1oj79kggsNT0DLDEvR_N_MFYFcHfwB5R5RvCtT4qKnLfdWH1TNGe5rZwGzS-Sr264t9afno3mbGNOhdHDcBedA6B4._1Js7_BKUIupKHY80A5vUOSSFzjwYdcd2uB6ZNI_9YQ&dib_tag=se&keywords=what+a+chicken+knows&qid=1734119521&sprefix=what+a+ch%2Caps%2C501&sr=8-1] by Sy Montgomery
Animal Liberation [https://www.amazon.com/Animal-Liberation-Now-Definitive-Classic-ebook/dp/B0C24WL6XF/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?crid=25JD69JJ3B3FC&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.8jKU0ULaCs6mzgy7zMCaQ6LN67YCmkYHjM6e8ve5J4cfUIBkxE80D6S0W5VXOxEf41KX3NmWjldMRrU36K_Eb86pZGrzp9ikxphrC3rewI6c3PsF_hLxiVy-bkgcTSb5wtZYJOsCDMSQcZxP_11IxA.4PoVCmMFh7nMcMeg_-0_s0eflbrQdGXZY6Xdcu6GZA8&dib_tag=se&keywords=animal+liberation+now+peter+singer&qid=1734119625&sprefix=Animal+Liberation%2Caps%2C154&sr=8-2-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&psc=1] by Peter Singer


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111. December Special! What a Chicken Knows...with Author, Sy Montgomery

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Sukey Molloy, an acclaimed children's performer and author. We delve into Sukey's work, particularly focusing on her storytelling album, 'The Adventures of Little Stubby,' which features a miniature donkey named Stubby. 

Sukey discusses her inspiration from real-life rescue stories and her goal to help young children navigate their emotions through animal characters.

Guest: Trained as a professional modern dancer in New York City, Sukey Molloy performed and toured as a member of the Solomon’s Company Dance and went on to study developmental movement and Kidnastics with former Olympian, Garland O’Quinn, Ph.D., and infant development with Bonnie Bainbridge Cohen. Sukey’s work in “movement skill development through guided play” has led her to design and teach music and movement programs for infants, toddlers, nursery schools, after-school programs, elementary schools, and with her own Nyack, NY-based PlayMove&Sing Inc. company. Sukey’s work is the recipient of multiple awards, most recently the NAPPA award for her new storytelling album, The Adventures of Little Stubby.

Find Sukey’s music and stories on Spotify, Amazon, YouTube and more! And visit Sukey at www.sukeymolloy.com [http://www.sukeymolloy.com]

Book Recommendation: Running With Sherman [https://www.chrismcdougall.com/running-with-sherman/]: the donkey with the heart of a hero by Christopher McDougall

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https://www.littlelongears.org/
https://www.pasadosafehaven.org/
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Ep. 110 Are Children's Stories the Key to Animal Empathy? with Children's Entertainer, Sukey Molloy (S12)

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What can Aboriginal and Bengali literature teach us about our connection with nature? Join Dr. Dipanwita Pal on our podcast as she shares her fascinating research into these cultural narratives. This episode is a compelling look into how stories reflect and influence our relationships with the animal world. Tune in for an enlightening discussion!

Guest: Dr Dipanwita Pal is an Associate Professor in English at Galsi Mahavidyalaya, West Bengal, India. Her Ph. D. thesis is based on the ecocritical study of the works of the first Australian Aboriginal poet Oodgeroo Noonuccal. [https://www.naa.gov.au/students-and-teachers/learning-resources/learning-resource-themes/first-australians/politics-and-advocacy/aboriginal-poet-and-activist-oodgeroo-noonuccal-formerly-known-kath-walker] She has edited Ecofeminism and Allied Issues [https://www.amazon.com/Ecofeminism-Allied-Issues-Dipanwita-Pal/dp/1527566803], Exploring the Coexistence of the Humans and the Nonhumans within Literary Text. She has a number of papers published in various national and international journals. She is the recipient of the Scientist of the Year Award 2020 by IKSAD (The Institute of Economic Development and Social Researches), Turkey. Her areas of interest are gender studies, indigenous studies, ecocriticism, Australian literature, Indian English literature. She is the recipient of the IASA ER Travel Fellowship to Australia 2024.

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109. How Do Aboriginal and Bengali Stories Shape Cultural Understanding of Nature? with Dipanwita Pal, PhD.

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We discuss the emotional depth and significance of Meade's collaborations with artists and photographers, highlighting themes of animal welfare and exploitation.

Guest: Gordon Meade is a Scottish poet, based in the East Neuk of Fife. He is the author of twelve collections of poetry including, most recently,EX-Posed: Animal Elegies (Lantern Publishing & Media 2023), In Transit (Enthusiastic Press 2022) and Zoospeak (Enthusiastic Press 2020). At present, he is completing a new collection, The Resurrectionists, which looks at the ethical issues surrounding De-extinction from the perspective of a number of more-than-human animals.  Later this year, he will be giving a reading, and hosting a creative writing workshop, at the Anthrozoology as International Practice: Student Conference in Human-Animal Studies,17-19 November 2024 Online

Book Recommendation: Poetry in the Making [https://www.amazon.com/Poetry-Making-Ted-Hughes/dp/0571233805/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3CC3RA92R64AM&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.pfpGX968Zibr0HjgOHRC-1qokEINRR6Mu2sH_t3iTrrnT_ElT5LF6qnRG2YcVRKYZS8UKr4goTLdu6ihKSxxu2kfUz_80qNmj9zyl-TvDWNSX3taMR3GVhoERW6FfYLlzitfdbBEpWLh22dnH6NlUjT73yx_0P6ze7nW5YGij6KTb-KIAtL5mNkNL7UP8mnVSx8kCNGpp5OwjWQNhEuEMCDoCwpOhKsyFIEc6-kEYt8.Sde42Q8TnBWbKJa1uXCw1TGgnBoMiFw3ZtyvZM2Z23U&dib_tag=se&keywords=Poetry+in+the+making&qid=1729620544&sprefix=poetry+in+the+makin%2Caps%2C186&sr=8-1] by Ted Hughes

Other Links: Exposed by Gordon Meade [https://lanternpm.org/book/ex-posed/]

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Ep. 108 Where Imagery and Poetry Meet with Gordon Meade (S12)

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" If you see the ghost of your dog, it can make you better and that should be okay. It shouldn't be something that we say is a problem." - Jen Golbeck

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Dive into the world of supernatural pet encounters, as we discuss the psychological and anthropological perspectives on ghostly visits from deceased pets. The conversation explores the complexities of grief, especially disenfranchised grief, and the comfort people find in these encounters. This episode also examines the cultural significance of ghost pets and the role of continuing bonds in coping mechanisms.

Guest: Jen Golbeck is the “internet’s dog mom” and creator of the social media sensation The Golden Ratio. A professor at the University of Maryland’s College of Information Studies, she is a popular science communicator on issues related to her research on social media and dogs. Her TED Talks have been viewed by millions and she is a popular keynote speaker who has appeared on NPR, The 11th Hour, and more. Her writing has appeared in Slate, The Atlantic, Psychology Today, and Wired. She and her husband rescue golden retrievers who are senior or who have special medical needs and give them a safe and comfortable life. Find out more at JenGolbeck.com

Book Recommendation: House of Leaves [https://www.amazon.com/House-Leaves-Mark-Z-Danielewski/dp/0375703764/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1ZNGI63160YKA&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.PV49J-0oj3rlbXxrqSnZIevjDs04yhov0Z_FElp8bfA-1KV8pOjOBGfsjctAt-d3f-Nst6IQQHRizvOgrNa5NQZH6I59Eu0zvxfhK9Bzt8t86I_kPbKWFa5EFoAYQy1wPvtkkXH4dlHhVBJnROSlwKjFnttnE3Sd4v0bcenbGnT6g3Zi7WmsOtMgLcsrWvM3ey3V5xN0-g6VYeN6cuD-oJ5dVwuPLOWz7iUc5bFWUmo.P3X6fQ9nt4T4NAw4_7hI2rs13TiUwVHg8zgRpfL3awQ&dib_tag=se&keywords=House+of+leaves&qid=1728424146&s=books&sprefix=house+of+leave%2Cstripbooks%2C154&sr=1-1] by Mark Z. Danielewski

 
1:17 Guest Introduction

02:37 Anthropological Research on Ghost Dogs

05:07 Types of Supernatural Experiences with Pets

07:50 Psychological Insights on Grief and Ghosts

09:51 Challenging Traditional Views on Grief

19:08 Exploring Unique Ghost Dog Stories

20:56 Interdisciplinary Perspectives on the Supernatural

25:40 The Final Three Questions

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107. October Special! Ghost Dogs and The Anthropology of Paranormal Pets with Researcher and Author, Jen Golbeck

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"If there's anything that will make people think twice and reflect it would be have stories and poems like this."- Natasha Matsaert

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The episode features poetry and insights from a writing workshop, aimed at fostering empathetic connections and motivating change.
The discussion centers around the power of poetry and art in animal advocacy, particularly highlighting the National Animal Rights Day event. They explore how stories can inspire action, share writing tips! (Please be aware that this episode may not be appropriate for all audiences).

Guests: Julie Knopp is a writer and animal advocate based in St. Paul, Minnesota. Julie’s writing has been featured in HuffPost, New York Daily News, Minneapolis Star Tribune, and other prominent media outlets. Julie holds a Master of Arts in Teaching and enjoys teaching change-makers how they can use writing and media strategy to advance their cause. To learn more about Julie, visit julieknopp.com [http://julieknopp.com].

Natasha Matsaert 

Book Recommendations: The Cow with Ear Tag #1389 [https://www.amazon.com/dp/022658285X/?coliid=I2CJL90HTPKXS3&colid=1FE2PLMU17JA6&psc=1&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it] by Kathryn Gillespie
Eating Animals [https://www.amazon.com/dp/0316069884/?coliid=IT4X4QMR3EJ4W&colid=1FE2PLMU17JA6&psc=1&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it] by Jonathan Safran Foer [https://www.amazon.com/Jonathan-Safran-Foer/e/B001IGLMTI/ref=dp_byline_cont_book_1]

Other Links: https://www.startribune.com/article/600284345/
https://hemingwayapp.com/

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106. How Can Poetry Drive Change for National Animal Rights Day with Natasha Matsaert and Julie Knopp (S12)

"Yeah, what is the deal with animals?  I think, mulling this over, and what I keep coming back to in my mind is  they are magic made manifest." -Linda Evans, PhD.

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In the captivating premiere of 'The Deal with Animals' Season 2. Discover how animals were depicted in Egyptian art, their cultural significance, and insights into animal behavior reflected through ancient tomb and temple scenes.

Don't forget to participate in the Women in Podcasting Awards by October 1st, where 'The Deal with Animals' is nominated!

Guest: Linda Evans is an Associate Professor in Egyptology in the Department of History and Archaeology at Macquarie University, Sydney. She studied Classical Studies and Psychology at the University of Adelaide in South Australia before working in the field of Biology at Washington University in St Louis, Missouri; Rockefeller University, New York; and the University of California, Davis. After returning to Australia, she completed both an MA and PhD in Egyptology at Macquarie. Drawing on her former career in Biology, her research focuses on the human-animal relationship in the ancient world, especially in the Egyptian context, in which she seeks a more accurate and nuanced understanding of ancient zoological knowledge and its application by prehistoric societies.

Her recent publications include descriptions of the animal-rich tomb paintings at the Egyptian cemetery site of Beni Hassan and new insights into the meaning and significance of Egyptian animal imagery, from pelicans and pigs to porcupines! She is currently completing a volume on the invertebrates of ancient Egypt for Lockwood Press.

Book Recommendations: My Family and Other Animals b [https://www.amazon.com/dp/0142004413/?coliid=I2MUUI6R4GNHDZ&colid=1FE2PLMU17JA6&psc=1&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it_im]y Gerald Durrell, Comet in Moominland [https://www.amazon.com/dp/0312608888/?coliid=I21TRQHJABH1YN&colid=1FE2PLMU17JA6&psc=1&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it_im] by Tove Jansson, and The Animal World of the Pharaohs [https://www.amazon.com/dp/050001731X/?coliid=I1C8AJT58X5XEU&colid=1FE2PLMU17JA6&psc=0&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it_im] by Patrick F. Houlihan [https://www.amazon.com/Patrick-F-Houlihan/e/B001H6Q8ES/ref=dp_byline_cont_book_1]

Chapters:

00:00 Ep. 105 What can Animals Tell us about Ancient Egypt? with PhD, Linda Evans (S12)

02:19 Introduction to Linda Evans and Ancient Egyptian Art

03:32 Exploring Ancient Egyptian Tomb Art

05:09 Animal Depictions and Their Significance

23:34 Linda's Discovery

34:40 The Role of Artists in Ancient Egypt

36:38 Exploring Invertebrates in Ancient Egyptian Art

40:06 Animals in Anci

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105. What Can Animals Tell Us About Ancient Egypt? with PhD, Linda Evans (S12: Animals in Art and Culture)

In Series Twelve of The Deal with Animals, we're exploring the way art and culture changes and reflects the way we understand and connect with other animals. 

From ancient cave paintings to modern street art, animals have always held a special place in our creative expression.

But it's not just about the art. It's about the stories, the symbolism, and the connections that shape our world. 

Join me and a lineup of incredible guests as we explore the animal side of art, uncovering the meanings behind every brushstroke, fable, and animal metaphor.

Whether you're an art lover, a history buff, or just curious about the world around you, Series 12, Animals in Art and Culture, will open your eyes to a whole new perspective on the human relationship with other animals.

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The sacred status of the cow is so widespread, so institutionalized, so deeply entrenched in Hindu culture, that it is actually quite a central question about the whole notion of Hinduism identity and cows. - Yamini Narayanan

Episode 3 of Series 7: Animals and the Divine ⁠Transcript⁠ [https://share.descript.com/view/qTRp9ehP0vT]

In this amazing episode we talk about the place of cows -or more pertinently, dairy -  in the Hindu religion. It raises the question: what does it mean to treat an animal as sacred versus treating an animal humanely? Yamini discusses the consequences of the cow being amplified as the mother of human life, and how this actually more deeply entrenches the cow into the practice of dairy farming. We hear the story of Krishna and his love for milk as a child raised in a dairy farm, and think about how ideas of kinship with animals can be exploited.  Importantly though, we also go back to the origin stories of Hinduism to ask whether there is a place in the Hindu religion to help animals. 

Guest: Yamini Narayanan is an Associate Professor of International and Community Development at Deakin University, Melbourne. [https://www.deakin.edu.au/about-deakin/people/yamini-narayanan] Her work explores the ways in which (other) animals are instrumentalised in sectarian, casteist and fascist ideologies in India, and how animals are also actors and architects of informal urbanisms. Yamini’s research is supported by two Australian Research Council grants. Her newest book Mother Cow, Mother India [https://www.amazon.com/Mother-Cow-India-Multispecies-Politics/dp/150363437X/ref=sr_1_1?crid=33MHNBAWKP1IC&keywords=Mother+Cow+Mother+India&qid=1682360823&s=books&sprefix=mother+cow+mother+india%2Cstripbooks%2C163&sr=1-1] (2023) is published by Stanford University Press. In 2019, Yamini was awarded the Vice Chancellor’s Award for Mid-Career Research Excellence. In recognition of her work, she was made Fellow of the Oxford Centre for Animal Ethics (FOCAE), a distinguished honour that is conferred through nomination or invitation only.

Book Recommendation: The Cow with Ear Tag #1389 [https://www.amazon.com/Cow-Ear-Tag-1389/dp/022658285X/ref=sr_1_1?crid=DQ0RBZU7V7K2&keywords=the+cow+with+ear+tag+1389&qid=1682360760&s=books&sprefix=the+cow+tih+ear+tag+1389%2Cstripbooks%2C192&sr=1-1]by Kathryn Gillespie 

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66: Exploring Hinduism, Dairy & Mother Cow with Yamini Narayanan (S7)

Humans interact with animals every day of our lives. Even those without pets
interact with animals in various ways: diet, wildlife, the clothes they wear.
Even most medicines use animals in testing or in the medicine itself. This is a
podcast about Anthrozoology: the study of interaction between humans and
non-human animals. My hope is to help in research accessibility to listeners
while bringing the lived experience of our human connection with animals to
academia. www.thedealwithanimals.com hosted and edited by Marika S. Bell. Music
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