Moral theologian Fr. Thomas Berg and philosopher and therapist Dr. Andrea Messineo take on the topic of personal conscience and parts work through a Catholic lens.  We explore the relationships among conscience, parts, the innermost self, the intellect, the will, impulses, and desires.  We address concupiscence and parts, and offer specific examples.  Join us for a fascinating exploration of conscience and parts.  



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Fr. Thomas Berg’s books: 

Hurting in the Church: A Way Forward for Wounded Catholics: https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/hurting-in-the-church-fr-thomas-berg/1124597873

Choosing Forgiveness: Unleash the Power of God's Grace: https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/choosing-forgiveness-fr-thomas-berg/1140395384?ean=9781681926537

Dr. Andrea Messineo’s book, Alone in Church: https://www.amazon.com/ALONE-CHURCH-Andrea-Messineo/dp/1732054290

Check out Dr. Messineo’s website at andreamessineolpcc.com



Key moments:



16:15 What are the relationships among one's innermost self, one's parts, and one's conscience?

21:25  St. Thomas Aquinas’ emphasis on prudence

23:30  How parts with emotions have a role in a well-formed conscience and the innermost self does not have a “localized omniscience.”  

31:30 What are the relationships among parts and the faculties of the intellect and the will?

37:00 Parts are closely connected with impulses and desires, driving agendas

40:00  What about addictions, obsessions, and compulsions?

45:40  Can a person possess a virtue, but parts of that person not have access to that virtue?

56:20  Does the innermost self need any formation from others, or is it complete, as Richard Schwartz maintains?

1:08:00 Causal chains that lead to morally problematic behaviors

1:17:20  What is concupiscence and does it always need to be lodged in a part?

180 Right and Wrong: Conscience and Catholic Parts Work

 Catholic philosopher Dr. Andrea Messineo and moral theologian Fr. Thomas Berg guide us in moral reasoning from a parts perspective, grounded in Alasdair MacIntyre’s Thomistic thought. Join us as we romp through understanding the development of moral reasoning informed by IFS, “values clarification”, Winnicott’s object relations model, the importance of unblending and recollection for clarity in moral reasoning, the necessity of dependence on others, the proper use and the misuse of penance and mortification, how accepting a part does not mean endorsing that part’s impulses and desires, and so much more. 

Fr. Thomas Berg’s books: 

Hurting in the Church: A Way Forward for Wounded Catholics: https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/hurting-in-the-church-fr-thomas-berg/1124597873 

Choosing Forgiveness: Unleash the Power of God's Grace: https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/choosing-forgiveness-fr-thomas-berg/1140395384?ean=9781681926537 

Dr. Andrea Messineo’s book “Alone in Church”: https://www.amazon.com/ALONE-CHURCH-Andrea-Messineo/dp/1732054290 Check out Dr. 

Messineo’s website at Andreamessineolpcc.com 

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179 Parts, Subjectivity, Values, and Morals

You need to love yourself properly to love others in an ordered way. How can we understand St. Thomas Aquinas' insistence on us governing our passions from an IFS perspective in a way that loves our passionate parts?  How can we be detached from worldly goods?  Do saints get blended with their parts?  Are there benefits to some kinds of blending with parts?  How can we frame the Theology of the Body to resonate more with women's concerns?  How can we consider both errors of commission vs. errors of omission in parts work? What about the importance of mercy, the centrality of love, the requirement of interior integration in for human formation through an Internal Family Systems lens, grounded in a Catholic understanding of the human person?  Join Dr. Gerry Crete, Dr. Peter Martin, and Dr. Peter Malinoski take these questions and more in this episode with a live audience.  

178 Q&A on Ordered Self-Love, your Body, Parts Work and Catholicism

Christopher West has recently embraced IFS and parts work because of Dr. Gerry Crete’s book, Litanies of the Heart [https://www.amazon.com/Litanies-Heart-Gerry-Ken-Crete-ebook/dp/B0CSKSCMPP/ref=sr_1_1?adgrpid=185780440079&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1a22ViEhR2yBSktx19gbbRtpFMlMEiVcd9606_y99Q4cdNy6NGhkln4o5OmdfjE30wRW8bj4h-LBydrpNVwbQPDAwAkBZ-q8o1-xtDLMJqkHq30HnyIm3w6OuZT9d1S1Z_Sx5peyum_o60jfzlufY40el7QCBE4B8E2X2-GSl2ZXWjU-Rzdia5GWH0b9gMcxH7p5d8383X2A2Dc7ot-aKvXNQg_yhJaSdz53Cz28ca8.RgRkIzyRd2CGPC311VcH-nGcWnMO8dXviq1pZ7eQHdg&dib_tag=se&hvadid=779726299166&hvdev=c&hvexpln=0&hvlocphy=9016136&hvnetw=g&hvocijid=14710571588959197158--&hvqmt=e&hvrand=14710571588959197158&hvtargid=kwd-2263999184593&hydadcr=22166_13655717_11169&keywords=litanies+of+the+heart&mcid=5613a8d15fed3979962b041ce1baeeb2&qid=1764345962&sr=8-1].  Dr. West shares the impact of IFS in his life, seeing it as a “missing piece,” a key to internalizing and living out the powerful message of St. John Paul II’s Theology of the Body.  In this episode, Dr. West, Dr. Gerry, and Dr. Peter invite you into their rollicking, wide ranging, and deep conversation about “marrying” TOB and IFS -- and how the TOB/IFS union brings guidance and light in redeeming eros, healing from trauma, growing in interior integration, living chastely, and loving our parts that experience lustful desires and impulses.   For the full video experience with Beth West's painting of eros, the crumpled painting analogy, and all our visuals, gestures, and graphics, and for conversation and sharing in the comments section, check us out on our YouTube channel here:  www.youtube.com/@InteriorIntegration4Catholics [http://www.youtube.com/@InteriorIntegration4Catholics]

177 Christopher West on IFS and TOB –  A Powerful Combo for Sexual Healing

A sure norm for teaching the faith – that’s what the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) is, according to St. John Paul II.  Today, Elizabeth Galanti, Dr. Gerry, and Dr. Peter look at what the CCC has to say about parts work,  human formation, divided hearts, healthy multiplicity vs. inner fragmentation, self-knowledge, self-governance, self-love, inner unity, sexual sins, the body, and hope.  And all of this in our effort to ground Internal Family Systems and other parts and systems approaches in an authentically Catholic understanding of the human person, informed by the Catechism. Why? So you can flourish.

For the full video experience with all our visuals, gestures, and graphics, and for conversation and sharing in the comments section, check us out on our YouTube channel here:  www.youtube.com/@InteriorIntegration4Catholics [http://www.youtube.com/@InteriorIntegration4Catholics] 
 
Our new podcast Scripture for Your Inner Outcasts podcast A daily podcast where we bring Jesus' ministry inside, to all parts of us. Just as Jesus reaches out to the outcasts of society, we reach out to your inner outcasts-- the parts of you that feel unworthy or unlovable.  Join us in seeing Scripture through a new lens, coming alive for those parts of you that may have experienced spiritual neglect and need healing. Check out Scripture for Your Inner Outcasts wherever you listen to podcasts.  

176 The Catholic Catechism Guides Our Parts Work

“Man is divided within himself.”  So says the Vatican II document Gaudium et Spes.  Sins – original sin, the sins of others, and your own personal sins lead to your inner fragmentation and the obscuring of your conscience.  What is your conscience?  Where is your conscience within you?  What does Vatican II say about IFS concepts?  How did St. Maximilian Kolbe live sacrificial love in Auschwitz with interior integration, inner unity?  And what does Vatican II say about psychology and the social sciences?  Dr. Gerry Crete joins me for a wide-ranging discussion of these questions and so much more.  

175 IFS, Parts Work, Vatican II, and Your Conscience

We explore the surprising compatibility of Internal Family Systems with a Thomistic understanding of the human person. The modern pioneer of parts work, Richard Schwartz, originator of IFS harmonizes with the medieval angelic doctor of the Church, St. Thomas Aquinas. Join Thomistic philosopher Dr. Anthony Flood, Catholic psychologist Dr. Eric Gudan and me, Dr. Peter, as we discuss how the goodness of IFS can be modified and grounded in the excellence of a Thomistic anthropology.   For the full video experience with all our visuals, gestures, and graphics, and for conversation and sharing in the comments section, check us out on our YouTube channel here:  www.youtube.com/@InteriorIntegration4Catholics [http://www.youtube.com/@InteriorIntegration4Catholics]

174 Richard Schwartz and IFS Meet St. Thomas Aquinas

How do we love with the three loves in the two Great Commandments?  And what are the relationships among love of God, love of neighbor, and love of self?  Join Catholic philosopher Anthony Flood and Catholic psychologist Eric Gudan as we explore love in Aristotle and St. Thomas Aquinas.  We address flourishing, friendship, virtues, interior integration, inner unity, union with others, trauma, healing, selfishness, humility, magnanimity, where to find truth, and so much more, all through a Thomistic lens.  Join us!   For the full video experience with all our visuals, graphics, and for conversation and sharing in the comments section, check us out on our YouTube channel here:  www.youtube.com/@InteriorIntegration4Catholics [http://www.youtube.com/@InteriorIntegration4Catholics]

173 Aristotle and Aquinas on Proper Self-Love

We have answers to your questions about Internal Family Systems (IFS) and Catholicism.  From the experts.  That’s what this episode is all about.  Dr. Peter Martin, Dr. Gerry Crete, Dr. Christian Amalu and Dr. Peter Malinoski come together with a live audience to discuss your questions about parts’ felt sense of safety, their God images, and your innermost self as a secure internal attachment figure for your parts and a bridge between your parts and God, your will and your parts.  We discuss whether you can love others if you don’t love yourself.  And so much more.  Come and see!

172 Questions About Catholicism and Parts Work Answered

Both Socrates and Plato were deeply concerned with the questions 1) Who is the human person? and 2) How does one flourish in living the best life possible.  And both addressed these questions through understanding a person’s relationship with self.  Knowing oneself, loving oneself, and governing oneself wisely are the core of their teaching on virtues and ethics.  All three of those imply a relationship oneself.  We explore the “parts of the soul” that Socrates and Plato proposed, and how these parts interact in the inner life.  Join Catholic Thomistic philosopher Dr. Anthony Flood, Catholic psychologist Dr. Eric Gudan and me, Dr. Peter, as we explore Plato’s five forms of self-governance, and which parts of the soul are in charge in each of them, connecting each one to an IFS understanding of inner dynamics.   For the full video experience with all of Dr. Flood's expressive gestures, all our visuals, graphics, and for conversation and sharing in the comments section, check us out on our YouTube channel here:  www.youtube.com/@InteriorIntegration4Catholics [http://www.youtube.com/@InteriorIntegration4Catholics]

171 Know Thyself, Love Thyself, Govern Thyself: Socrates and Plato Discuss Parts Work

In the Interior Integration for Catholics podcast, together, we seek fundamental transformation in our lives through human formation, via Internal Family Systems approaches grounded in a Catholic worldview. Join us as we sail through uncharted waters, seizing the opportunities for psychological and spiritual growth and increasing resilience in the natural and spiritual realms. With a clear takeaway message and one action in each weekly episode, you can move from dreading what is happening to you to rising above it. Join us on Mondays for new episodes. You can also check out the Resilient Catholics Community which grew up around this podcast at soulsandhearts.com/rcc.

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