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Sarah Ellis is a barrister and forensic criminologist with a particular interest and specialism in coercive control, stalking and homicide. She explains the concept of the homicide timeline and how coercive control can escalate over time. Why is coercive control still so often misunderstood or overlooked? What needs to change in the way we intervene? And why do perpetrators of coercive control rarely change?

Learn more about the homicide timeline here. [https://www.homicidetimeline.co.uk/article.php?id=10]

Evolving Prisons links

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Coercive control and the pathway to homicide

Rob McKeon has sat on the parole board in England & Wales since 2012. He's reviewed the cases of over 5,000 prisoners, making decisions on whether they are ready to be released, including those convicted of murder, serious violence and sexual offences. We discuss the biggest signs that a prisoner might be ready to re-enter society, how some prisoners try to sabotage each other’s chances of release, and the emotional weight of making decisions that can change lives forever.

You can purchase a copy of Rob's book, Parole, here [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Parole-Prisoners-Hands-High-stakes-Getting/dp/0711297282].

Evolving Prisons links

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Instagram: @evolvingprisons [https://www.instagram.com/evolvingprisons/]

LinkedIn: kaigancarrie [https://www.linkedin.com/in/kaigancarrie/]

Inside the parole board

Will Potter is an award winning investigative journalist and author. He delivered a Ted talk about secret prisons in America which received millions of views. We chat about these prisons, called communication management units, how Will was able to enter one and the psychological toll that his work as a journalist has taken on him.

Evolving Prisons links

Website: evolvingprisons.com [https://www.evolvingprisons.com/]

Instagram: @evolvingprisons [https://www.instagram.com/evolvingprisons/]

LinkedIn: kaigancarrie [https://www.linkedin.com/in/kaigancarrie/]

Communications Management Units and the toll journalism takes

Dr Shahed Yousaf is a GP who works in prison and with the homeless community in England. How is healthcare adapted to reach those without a fixed address? How does he navigate working with imprisoned patients who'd be better served in a mental health facility? What are some of the most surprising things he's seen in prison? And what personal toll has prison work taken on him?

You can buy a copy of Dr Yousaf's book, Stitched Up, here [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Stitched-Up-Stories-prison-doctor/dp/1787635953].

Evolving Prisons links

Website: evolvingprisons.com [https://www.evolvingprisons.com/]

Instagram: @evolvingprisons [https://www.instagram.com/evolvingprisons/]

LinkedIn: kaigancarrie [https://www.linkedin.com/in/kaigancarrie/]

A GP in prison: the challenge of treating incarcerated patients

Paul Cosgrove is a former investment banker who later became a prison officer. He tells us about his experiences working with prisoners convicted of financial crimes, the attitude some of these individuals had towards their crimes, some of the most challenging things Paul has had to deal with and how transitioning from investment banking to prison work changed his views on materialism and success.

Evolving Prisons links

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Instagram: @evolvingprisons [https://www.instagram.com/evolvingprisons/]

LinkedIn: kaigancarrie [https://www.linkedin.com/in/kaigancarrie/]

Leaving finance for prison & working with white collar prisoners

Recorded live, this episode features two prison officers who have worked in one of the UK's first community custody units for women. They share their experiences of transitioning from a male high-security prison in Scotland to working in a facility built on the belief that women should be imprisoned in more trauma-informed, community-like conditions. We speak about the contrasts between working in these vastly different establishments, their views on staff corruption, some of the difficult things they've both had to deal with, and how the job has changed them.

Evolving Prisons links

Website: evolvingprisons.com [https://www.evolvingprisons.com/]

Instagram: @evolvingprisons [https://www.instagram.com/evolvingprisons/]

LinkedIn: kaigancarrie [https://www.linkedin.com/in/kaigancarrie/]

Working inside the UK's first community custody unit for women

Ian West served 35 years in the prison service in England, working in ten prisons and governing four. He tells us about the special secure unit of HMP Belmarsh where he worked with some of the highest-risk prisoners in the country, the difficulties of changing the thinking of some elderly prisoners and what it was like to govern a prison through the Covid-19 pandemic.

Evolving Prisons links

Website: evolvingprisons.com [https://www.evolvingprisons.com/]

Instagram: @evolvingprisons [https://www.instagram.com/evolvingprisons/]

LinkedIn: kaigancarrie [https://www.linkedin.com/in/kaigancarrie/]

High-risk prisoners, Covid-19 & changing values

Dr Rebecca Myers was a forensic and prison psychologist in England treating prisoners who had committed sexual offences. She is also the author of the book, Inside Job [https://www.amazon.co.uk/INSIDE-JOB-murderers-psychologist-specialising/dp/0008538484]. Of the individuals in society who admit to being sexually attracted to children, why do some people give in to those sexual compulsions when so many others don't? How does she measure success in this line of work? And how does working with people convicted of sexual offences impact staff?

Evolving Prisons links

Website: evolvingprisons.com [https://www.evolvingprisons.com/]

Instagram: @evolvingprisons [https://www.instagram.com/evolvingprisons/]

LinkedIn: kaigancarrie [https://www.linkedin.com/in/kaigancarrie/]

Working with people imprisoned for sexual offences

Craig Gottschalk was a wildlife biologist who went on to work in prisons for 12 years, first as a prison officer and finally as assistant director. He is now assistant ombudsman, investigating complaints from people in prison. Craig shares the signs to look out for before somebody becomes violent, taught to him from his days as a biologist. He tells us about an encounter with a former prisoner who threatened to kill Craig and his family, and how a chance meeting in a grocery store showed Craig that he was literally saving lives in prison.

Evolving Prisons links

Website: evolvingprisons.com [https://www.evolvingprisons.com/]

Instagram: @evolvingprisons [https://www.instagram.com/evolvingprisons/]

LinkedIn: kaigancarrie [https://www.linkedin.com/in/kaigancarrie/]

Email me: evolvingprisons@outlook.com

Wildlife biologist becomes a prison officer in a county jail

Luke Mitchell is serving a prison sentence in Scotland for the murder of Jodi Jones. He claims he is innocent and numerous documentaries have aired questioning his guilt. Why do some people think he is innocent? How do the media remain respectful of Jodi's family when reporting on these matters? And how might prison be for Luke, since he doesn't accept he committed this crime? I speak with Naomi Channell, a TV producer and independent true crime podcaster, about her deep-dive into this case on her podcast [https://open.spotify.com/episode/6Ric2LwXqk10FCWUhKs2v9?si=4a6462afb4434f33].

Evolving Prisons links

Website: evolvingprisons.com [https://www.evolvingprisons.com/]

Instagram: @evolvingprisons [https://www.instagram.com/evolvingprisons/]

LinkedIn: kaigancarrie [https://www.linkedin.com/in/kaigancarrie/]

The case of Jodi Jones

On this podcast I interview people from around the world who have experience of working or being incarcerated in prison. We discuss the challenges faced by both prison staff and incarcerated individuals, and ways we can improve prisons so they become places of growth and transformation. Studies have shown that prison officers are likely to die much younger than the general population and that they are at higher risk of heart problems, divorce, PTSD, depression and suicide, and 95% of incarcerated people will be released one day, so improving prisons benefits everybody.

Kaigan Denee Carrie

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