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Alex Stanton started building websites on dial-up internet in rural Idaho, founded Exbabylon at 14, and helped develop cybersecurity products before cybersecurity SaaS was an established category. That unconventional beginning eventually led him to build an MSP and MSSP, join a national private-equity-backed platform, and oversee technology serving thousands of businesses.

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Alex also explores founder conviction, the courage to pivot, transparent leadership, “blamestorming,” and why leaders should build people—not merely companies. He challenges the cultural belief that everyone should become an entrepreneur and argues that education should develop thinkers and leaders rather than compliant workers.

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 * 🤖 Why the future of AI depends on human judgment, curiosity, and responsibility 
 * 🚀 How a teenage developer accidentally built an MSP and MSSP 
 * 🧠 Why leaders should share the vision and leave people better than they found them 

 

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#929 Alex Stanton: 🤖 The AI Era Needs Thinkers, Not Workers

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🛠️ Kevin Barros never planned to become a public-facing business leader. He preferred solving technical problems, working behind the scenes, and allowing the quality of his work to speak for itself.

That changed when side projects grew into a business, an early acquisition taught him how ownership transitions work, and he purchased The Computer Company during the uncertainty of 2020. Since then, the organization has tripled—but Kevin explains that meaningful growth requires far more than technical expertise.

In this conversation with Joey Pinz, Kevin examines the difficult transition from technician to owner, why excellent technicians do not automatically become effective managers, and how leaders must understand the lives and ambitions of their employees. He also discusses the emotional realities of acquiring a company, the weaknesses of private-equity consolidation, cybersecurity accountability, and why technology companies must sell outcomes rather than technical features.

Kevin also opens up about working approximately 100 hours a week, becoming a new father, learning to slow down, and recognizing that relentless focus can make a leader appear disconnected. His story shows how ambition, attention to detail, human connection, and continuous improvement must work together.

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🧑‍💼 Technician versus leader: Kevin explains why technical excellence does not automatically prepare someone to manage people, finances, contracts, sales, or culture.

🤝 The human side of acquisitions: Buying an MSP involves more than valuation. Sellers remain emotionally connected to employees, customers, partners, and the identity they built.

👨‍👩‍👧 Fatherhood changed the pace: After years of working extremely long hours, becoming a father taught Kevin to slow down and remain present for moments that cannot be scheduled or repeated.

 

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What happens when the freedom you worked years to achieve leaves you feeling lost?

Alane Boyd helped grow a business from a few hundred thousand dollars to $17 million in revenue before completing two successful exits. Yet after spending 11 years building the company, the sale brought an unexpected mix of isolation, depression, chronic stress, and identity loss.

In this candid conversation with Joey Pinz, Alane explains why founders must prepare emotionally for an exit—not simply financially. She shares how an autoimmune diagnosis finally gave her the courage to leave a company that had become inseparable from her identity.

Alane also reveals why businesses lose money when they hire people without first creating repeatable processes. Adding AI to that confusion only makes the existing problems move faster. Her advice is simple: fix the workflow first, establish a standard process, and then use automation to scale it.

The conversation explores entrepreneurship, delegation, failure, peer groups, emotional intelligence, founder confidence, and Alane’s realization that she had been rejecting herself before anyone else had the opportunity.

🔑 Top three highlights

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 * 🤖 How AI magnifies broken workflows—and what businesses must fix first 
 * 🚫 Why founders should never become the first person to reject their own ideas

 

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#931 Alane Boyd: 🚫 Stop Being Your Own First No

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What if the fastest route to success begins with hearing “no” more often?

Andrea Waltz, co-creator of the bestselling Go for No! philosophy, joins Joey Pinz to explain why rejection is not a verdict—it is information. Andrea shares how a district manager’s unexpected advice to her husband, Richard Fenton, inspired a book that took ten years to reach number one and eventually sold more than 500,000 copies.

The conversation explores why people are biologically wired to fear rejection, how past experiences shape our response to it, and the opportunities we lose when we avoid asking. Andrea also distinguishes courageous persistence from aggressive behavior: “No” is a perfectly acceptable answer, but curiosity and respectful communication can reveal whether it means “not now,” “not this way,” or “never.”

Andrea recounts how a last-minute rejection from a major publisher forced her and Richard to become better marketers, improve their book, and build a more successful publishing business. She also explains why failure should produce learning, how AI has changed the balance between outreach quantity and quality, and why action cannot depend on mood.

🔑 Top three highlights

 * 🚫 Rejection is data: A no can expose an objection, improve an offer, or redirect you toward a better opportunity. 
 * 📚 The rejection that changed everything: Losing a traditional publishing deal helped Go for No! become more successful. 
 * 🎯 Action before emotion: Habits and visible cues make it easier to do what matters—even when you do not feel like doing it. 

 

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🧠 Great research does not create change by itself. In this conversation, Brianna Sylver—founder of Sylver Consulting and author of Leading Through Free Fall—explains why organizations can spend significant time and money collecting insights, only to let them sit in a “research graveyard” without influencing a real decision.

Brianna shares how leaders can close the gap between understanding something intellectually and building the systems, workflows, and team alignment needed to act on it. She also breaks down why resistance is a natural part of transformation, why leaders must manage team energy, and how her “treasure, trash, hope, fear” exercise helps teams surface concerns without blame or defensiveness.

The conversation also gets personal: Brianna reflects on growing up in rural America, building her company through “failed” job interviews, learning to delegate, running the Chicago Marathon after never having run a mile, and creating a goal system that makes room for business, family, and herself.

✨ Top 3 Highlights:

 * 🪦 Why valuable research dies before it becomes action 
 * 🌊 How to lead people through the emotional reality of change 
 * 📋 A practical system for balancing business goals, family, and personal priorities 

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#927 Brianna Sylver: 🧠 How Great Ideas Become Real Change

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What separates a successful sales organization from a truly high-performing team?

John Hurley, Chief Revenue Officer at Optiv, joins Joey Pinz for an expansive conversation about leadership, cybersecurity, artificial intelligence, operational consistency, and the experiences that shaped his career.

John explains how growing up in the shadow of his older brother’s athletic success taught him self-sufficiency and the confidence to enter unfamiliar rooms. He shares how an accidental opportunity at NEC launched his technology career, what 27 years at Cisco taught him about running a predictable business, and how he helped transform Quantum from perpetual hardware sales into subscription and SaaS offerings.

The conversation also examines why AI should enhance human capability rather than simply eliminate jobs, the data-security questions every CEO should ask before deploying agentic AI, and how Optiv balances the interests of clients, technology partners, and employees.

John also reveals why he leads like a father, how he combines data with instinct, and why becoming lazy about asking questions could undermine even the strongest organization.

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 * 👥 How fatherhood shaped John’s approach to accountability and leadership 
 * 📊 Why operational consistency matters regardless of company size 

 

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#930 John Hurley: 🎯 The Leadership Discipline Behind High-Performing Teams

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Children who struggle in school are often labeled lazy, defiant, or unwilling to learn. Zakiya White explains why those judgments frequently overlook the real barriers children are facing.

As Academic Supervisor at A Kid’s Place of Tampa Bay, Zakiya helps children in foster care navigate interrupted schooling, trauma, learning gaps, teacher relationships, and the uncertainty surrounding their futures. She shares how her own childhood difficulty with reading inspired her to become an educator—and why one patient reading coach transformed her fear into determination.

Zakiya also reveals why relationships form the foundation of learning. For some children, emotional safety and trust must come before academic progress can begin. Instead of lowering expectations, she sets a different high bar for every child based on their individual needs and circumstances.

This conversation challenges misconceptions about foster children, examines how trauma appears in the classroom, and shows why education can become something permanent in a life filled with change.

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 * 🏠 How safety, trust, and belonging influence a child’s ability to learn
 * 📚 Why knowledge can provide stability that no placement change can take away

 

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#926 A Kids Place July 2026: Zakiya White - 🎓 What Foster Children Wish Teachers Understood

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Heidi Weiland built what appeared to be a thriving web agency: steady referrals, corporate clients, established systems and a growing team. Behind the success, however, she was exhausted, anxious and dreading the business she had created.

In this conversation with Joey Pinz, Heidi explains how people-pleasing, poor boundaries and the pressure to work harder gradually turned entrepreneurship into burnout. She reveals why a founder’s nervous system can quietly influence hiring, sales, productivity and other major business decisions—and how to recognize when anxiety is choosing the strategy.

Heidi also introduces “regenerative success”: building a business that returns energy, meaning and connection instead of continually depleting its owner. Drawing on more than 20 years of entrepreneurship, operations experience, yoga, Ayurveda and nervous-system-informed coaching, she offers a more human approach to sustainable business growth.

🎯 Top 3 Highlights:

 * How a successful-looking business became emotionally unbearable to run 
 * Why anxious decisions often fail to resolve the anxiety behind them 
 * How to pursue revenue, impact and growth without sacrificing your well-being 

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#925 Heidi Weiland: 🎙️ Building a Business That Doesn’t Burn You Out

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Financial freedom doesn’t always require earning more—it may require building better systems.

When Ann Pells’ husband lost his job, she was home with three children under three and no additional income. The experience shattered her belief that education, employment, and hard work automatically created financial security. It also launched a decades-long journey to understand assets, multiple income streams, mortgage acceleration, business ownership, and money mindset.

Ann joins Joey Pinz to explain why high earners can still feel trapped, how financial pressure affects families, and why replacing “I can’t” with “How can I?” can change the direction of your life. She discusses paying down half her mortgage in two years, learning to evaluate financial opportunities more carefully, using trusted experts, and choosing established systems instead of attempting to master everything alone.

This conversation goes beyond accumulating money. Ann believes genuine wealth should provide time, flexibility, stronger relationships, peace of mind, and the freedom to help others. Her story demonstrates how a frightening financial crisis can become the foundation for a more purposeful legacy.

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 * 💡 Why asking “How can I?” can uncover options that fear and self-doubt hide. 
 * ❤️ How financial freedom can create more time, security, generosity, and family connection. 

 

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#924 Ann Pells: ⏳ Financial Freedom Doesn’t Have to Take 40 Years

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Is weight loss really a matter of willpower—or have we misunderstood the biology behind hunger?

Bracha Banayan, FNP-BC, joins Joey Pinz to explore the rapidly evolving world of GLP-1 medications, metabolic health, food noise, cravings, and sustainable weight loss. Drawing from her clinical experience and personal journey, Bracha explains why traditional advice to “eat less and try harder” often fails—and why that failure should not be confused with laziness.

The conversation moves beyond weight loss into the brain’s reward system and the potential relationship between GLP-1s, alcohol, smoking, shopping, and other compulsive behaviors. Bracha also explains why these medications should never become an excuse to ignore strength training, muscle preservation, nutrition, and lasting habit change.

The discussion becomes deeply personal as Bracha shares how remedial classes shaped her persistence, why entrepreneurship taught her difficult lessons about leadership, and how leaving Orthodox Judaism led her toward a broader spiritual path. She also reveals how egg freezing changed her relationship with fear, courage, vulnerability, and regret.

This is a provocative conversation about biology, personal responsibility, longevity, identity, and what sustainable transformation truly requires.

Top Three Highlights

 * 🧠 Biology versus willpower: Why hunger, body set point, aging, hormones, and metabolic signaling can make weight loss dramatically harder for some people. 
 * 💉 GLP-1s beyond weight loss: How these medications may affect food noise, cravings, instant gratification, alcohol consumption, and other reward-driven behaviors. 
 * 💪 Medication still requires action: Why strength training, muscle preservation, intentional habits, and long-term thinking remain essential for lasting health. 

 

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#923 Bracha Banayan: 🧠 Why Willpower Isn’t Enough for Weight Loss

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