In this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, join Tom Vander Ark as he explores the transformative power of community-engaged learning with guests from Elizabethton High School in rural Tennessee. Discover how educators like Dustin Hensley are redefining education by integrating real-world challenges into the classroom, allowing students to develop crucial skills and a sense of purpose. Hear inspiring stories from alumni Veronica Watson and Sadie Whitehead, who share how these experiences have shaped their personal and professional lives. This conversation highlights the importance of student-centered education and the potential for community engagement to create meaningful learning opportunities. Tune in to learn how schools can become vibrant hubs for community connection and innovation.

Outline



 * (00:00) Introduction to Community Engaged Learning
 * (02:45) Student-Centered Learning in Action
 * (14:20) Leadership and Community Impact
 * (27:19) The Role of AI in Community Learning
 * (29:43) Advice for Educational Leaders
 * (31:52) Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Links



 * Watch the full video here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH6JWuvVFmQ]
 * Read the full blog [https://www.gettingsmart.com/podcast/elezibethon/]
 * Dustin Hensley LinkedIn [http://linkedin.com/in/dustin-hensley-232218282]
 * Elizabethon City Schools [https://www.ecschools.net/]
 * Dustin Hensley Profile  [https://www.libraryjournal.com/story/dustin-hensley-movers-shakers-2021%E2%80%93educators]
 * Sadie Whitehead [http://linkedin.com/in/sadie-whitehead-980457179]
 * Chatt Foundation team [https://chattfoundation.org/our-team] 

What does entrepreneurship class look like in rural Tennessee? | Elizabethton High School

In this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, Tom Vander Ark sits down with Paul Herdman, CEO of the Rodell Foundation of Delaware, to discuss the transformative power of pathways in education. They delve into how initiatives like work-based learning and seamless transitions from high school to career can enhance student success and readiness for the future. This conversation highlights the importance of collaboration between educational institutions and employers to build effective and equitable pathways. Tune in to explore the new possibilities for students and the education system.



Outline



 * (00:00) Introduction to Career Connected Learning
 * (02:13) The Origin of Pathways in Delaware
 * (03:51) Global Insights and Project Development
 * (07:11) Design Elements for Effective Pathways
 * (13:36) Implementation Strategies and Equity Focus
 * (25:15) Advice for School and System Leaders
 * (30:47) Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Links



 * Watch the full video [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LibByvMSFJY]
 * Read the full blog [https://www.gettingsmart.com/podcast/paul-herdman-on-education-pathways/]
 * Rodel Foundation of Delaware [https://rodelde.org/person/paul-herdman/]
 * Paul Herdman LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/paul-herdman-95644364/]
 * Jobs for the Future [https://www.jff.org/]

What can we learn from pathways implementation around the world? | Paul Herdman

In the latest episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, we dive into the transformative power of project-based learning (PBL) through the lens of the Border Lands project. Hosted by Shawnee Caruthers, this episode features insightful conversations with Ryan Sprott, an educator and PBL advocate, alongside former students Annah Sanchez, Daniela Hernandez, and Bianca Garza. Together, they explore how immersive learning experiences at the US-Mexico border shaped their understanding of complex social issues and fostered personal growth. The guests reflect on the profound impact of engaging directly with real-world challenges, emphasizing the importance of empathy, active listening, and critical thinking. This episode highlights the urgency of PBL in today's education landscape, advocating for its role in preparing students for the complexities of modern society. Tune in to hear how these experiences continue to influence their lives and why PBL is crucial for fostering a more equitable and interconnected world.



Outline



 * (00:00) Introduction and Personal Reflection
 * (04:24) The Power and Impact of PBL
 * (09:47) Student Reflections: Initial Understanding of the Border
 * (16:21) Profound Moments and Personal Growth
 * (23:55) Skills and Lessons Learned
 * (31:57) The Art Component and Overcoming Challenges
 * (38:08) Final Reflections and Advice
 * (46:45) Current Students Experiences

Links



 * Watch the full video here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ3t6UrlygY]
 * Read the full blog here [https://www.gettingsmart.com/podcast/pblworks-students-on-the-equity-fellows-program/]
 * How to Teach About Global Borders and Migration (Opinion) [https://www.edweek.org/teaching-learning/opinion-how-to-teach-about-global-borders-and-migration/2017/04]
 * Teaching Contentious Topics in a Divided Nation: A Memoir and Primer for Pedagogical Transformation [https://www.amazon.com/Teaching-Contentious-Topics-Divided-Nation/dp/B0DGRPB45J] by Ryan Sprott
 * Ryan Sprott LinkedIn [http://linkedin.com/in/ryan-sprott-ed-d-1451791a6]
 * PBLworks [https://www.pblworks.org/]
 * Daniela Hernandez LinkedIn [http://linkedin.com/in/daniela-marie-hernandez]

What is the Lasting Impact of High Quality Project-Based Learning? | Ryan Sprott, Annah Sanchez, Daniela Hernandez, and Bianca Garza

In this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, Nate McClennen and Rebecca Midles discuss the Getting Smart Learning Innovation Framework [https://www.gettingsmart.com/getting-smart-innovation-framework/], designed to catalyze systems change in education. They explore how personalized, competency-based learning models integrated with AI can meet the diverse needs of students and overcome the systemic challenges currently facing education. The conversation highlights the framework's focus on community-driven visions, adaptive learning models, and innovative signaling methods to ensure meaningful credentialing and assessment. Join us as we uncover the potential of this framework to lead educational systems toward new horizons, addressing pressing issues such as equity and access while empowering learners and leaders alike.



Outline



 * (00:00) Introduction to the Framework
 * (03:00) The Role of Leadership in Education
 * (09:59) The Importance of R&D in Schools
 * (19:39) Overview of the Framework
 * (26:16) Learning from Implementation
 * (29:50) Debates and Discussions
 * (34:39) Next Steps and Conclusion

Links



 * Watch full video here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hz8kDVzeBgI]
 * Read the full blog [https://www.gettingsmart.com/podcast/rebecca-midles-and-nate-mcclennen-on-the-learning-innovation-framework/]
 * The Getting Smart Learning Innovation Framework [https://www.gettingsmart.com/getting-smart-innovation-framework/]
 * Building Systems That Serve: The Power of the Getting Smart Innovation Framework [https://www.gettingsmart.com/2025/03/11/building-systems-that-serve-the-power-of-the-getting-smart-innovation-framework/]
 * What is the Evolving Role of Future Educators?  [https://www.gettingsmart.com/2025/05/05/what-is-the-evolving-role-of-future-educators/]
 * How can we reimagine where learning happens? Designing schools as community hubs within a personalized ecosystem [https://www.gettingsmart.com/2025/04/17/reimagining-where-learning-happens-schools-as-community-hubs-within-a-personalized-ecosystem/]
 * The Transcript Trap: Why Our Students Need Credentials, Not Just Grades [https://www.gettingsmart.com/2025/04/09/the-transcript-trap-why-our-students-need-credentials-not-just-grades/]

How do you drive lasting systems change? | The Learning Innovation Framework

In this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, Nate McClennen and Monique Uzelac, the Executive Director of the Washtenaw Educational Options Consortium in Michigan explore the innovative approach to educational choice within the consortium, discussing how it offers diverse programs like competency-based learning and early college opportunities. Monique shares insights into the consortium's collaborative efforts with multiple districts to enhance student outcomes and meet varied educational needs. The discussion also delves into the challenges and successes of maintaining a nimble yet established educational model, the significance of belonging and relationships amidst technological advancements, and future visions for expanding career and technology education. This episode is a deep dive into how learning ecosystems can provide students with personalized, relevant educational experiences, ensuring every learner's success.

Outline



 * (00:00)  Introduction to the Podcast
 * (03:27) Monique's Most Engaging Learning Experience
 * (05:03) Professional Learning and Trauma-Informed Practices
 * (06:48) Overview of Washtenaw County
 * (08:41) Programs Offered by the Consortium
 * (20:43) Challenges and Sustainability
 * (27:12) Future Visions and AI in Education

Links



 * Watch the full video here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0Kc_P6S46s]
 * Read the full blog [https://www.gettingsmart.com/podcast/monique-uzelac-on-the-washtenaw-educational-options-consortium/]
 * LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/muzelac]
 * Washtenaw Virtual Alliance [https://www.wavewashtenaw.org/wave/]
 * Interview with Monique Uzelac [https://www.secondwavemedia.com/concentrate/features/weocanniversary0660.aspx]
 * Teacher Powered Schools National Conference link [https://www.teacherpowered.org/conference-2025]

How Can Learning Ecosystems Change Educational Opportunities in Michigan? | Monique Uzelac

In this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, Shawnee Caruthers has a vibrant conversation with Superintendent Dr. George Philhower to explore how joy, alongside connection, growth, and success, forms the core of their educational commitments. Learn about their innovative initiatives, like the Joy Integration Specialist role and Joy Jam conference, which transform learning experiences by fostering genuine curiosity and purpose. Join us to see how these efforts are not just enhancing academic engagement but also preparing students for real-world challenges with confidence and credentials. Whether you're an educator, parent, or community leader, this episode offers valuable insights into creating a thriving, joyful learning environment. Tune in now and be inspired by a district daring to ask, "What if joy came first?"

Outline



 * (00:00) Introduction to the Getting Smart Podcast
 * (01:19) Joy as a Learning Goal
 * (03:48) Creating Joyful Learning Experiences
 * (05:40) The Role of the Joy Integration Specialist
 * (10:41) Connecting with Students and Community Partners
 * (22:07) Rethinking Credits and Learning Outcomes
 * (28:32) Joy Jam: A Unique Professional Development Experience

Links



 * Watch the full episode [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ1oJ80Xcbg]
 * Read the full blog [https://www.gettingsmart.com/podcast/george-philhower-on-joyful-learning-at-eastern-hancock/]
 * Eastern Hancock Schools Website [https://www.easternhancock.org/]
 * LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/gphilhower/]
 * Joy Jam! 2025 [https://lp.constantcontactpages.com/ev/reg/my5fe9h/lp/4fe41276-b104-41b2-8faf-1fe1bfe427ba]

How Can Schools Be Transformed By Joy? | George Philhower

In this episode of Catching Up, Nate McClennen and Mason Pashia explore the evolving landscape of education with a focus on AI leadership, applied humanities, and innovative learning spaces. They dive into key topics such as the role of AI in transforming educational practices, the shift towards applied humanities in higher education, and the potential of community spaces in schools to enhance learning experiences. With insights from recent developments and thoughtful discussions, this episode offers valuable perspectives for educators, administrators, and policymakers looking to navigate the future of education. Tune in to discover how these emerging trends are shaping new pathways for learners and educators alike.

Outline



 * (00:00) Introduction and Episode Overview
 * (02:40) Educational Innovations and Legislation
 * (04:41) Future of Learning: Digital Wallets and AI
 * (10:16) Applied Humanities in Higher Education
 * (18:20) AI in Schools: Leadership, Crowd, and Lab
 * (28:45) Reimagining Community Spaces in Schools
 * (33:31) AI in Job Screening and Hiring
 * (42:25)  What's That Song?

Links



 * Watch the full video [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaSTSwAnPxc]
 * Read the full blog here [https://www.gettingsmart.com/podcast/catching-up-ai-leadership-applied-humanities-and-innovative-learning-spaces-for-education/]
 * Ministry of Imagination [https://www.robhopkins.net/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/Ministry-of-the-Imagination-final_compressed-1.pdf]
 * Accreditation MSA [https://microschoolingcenter.org/news-blog/accreditationpilot]
 * Teach For America Should Embrace Apprenticeship Model Amid AmeriCorps Cuts [https://www.the74million.org/article/teach-for-america-should-embrace-apprenticeship-model-amid-americorps-cuts/]
 * LER digital wallet Michigan experiment  [https://www.milearnerwallet.org/]
 * Educational Choice for Children Act [https://www.the74million.org/article/a-true-game-changer-unprecedented-school-choice-tax-credit-part-of-gop-bill/]
 * H.R 3250 [https://events.trustifi.com/api/o/v1/click/68279d3d0dfa6a01040ff822/fff0f4/36061d/6bc35b/ef68ed/5d1345/17c732/f2c4ce/93bf4e/e8666a/ef542d/85972d/627493/9a11d6/1f4096/1d247f/82dd7b/c260d0/d799f3/bfff04/2513c0/99def1/a11f03/a05a12/6e8fbc/f0844e/1bdf20/30dbf8/9fb3f0/9640cf/8b7457/8b446d/9f346e/7c5613/ab3000/617f1b/32057e/646a1c/a6de55/83ebe9/57a1e3/6675c3/957958/b1dc1a/efd9e6/6f0091/93782d/925376/7c7ece/5a100a/f80cfc/c17d28/ee9f63/6a14c7/dc44d9/42a9fa/ebd794/56568b/03f074/d8f20d/c73d3b/a8754e/58742e/a8cb52/518132/1b0111/539a89/d6bc74/7a07b5/e5ebe7/77fc40/48d068/f48e4a/7670e0/850d93/dac828/571105/a4f044/48ef30/fdbdf3/e59012/de22f0/7c51a7/bc4cd2/89bccf/4976dd/5de4fb/78f66b/fbcf92/4f2016/4b3f53/084ddd]
 * Applied Humanities [https://hechingerreport.org/college-uncovered-the-revenge-of-the-humanities/]
 * AI leadership - Ethan Mollick - One Useful Thing [https://www.oneusefulthing.org/p/making-ai-work-leadership-lab-and]
 * Early Childhood and developers [https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/14/nyregion/why-developers-think-child-care-is-good-for-business.html?partner=slack&smid=sl-share]

Catching Up! | AI Leadership, Applied Humanities, and Innovative Learning Spaces for Education

In this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, host Victoria Andrews sits down with educational leaders BB Ntsakey and Kelly Niccolls to explore the transformative power of liberatory assessment. Discover how these innovative approaches move beyond traditional metrics to create personalized, student-centered learning experiences that emphasize growth and empowerment. By reimagining assessment as a tool for learning and liberation, educators can foster environments where students' unique strengths and potential are recognized and nurtured. Tune in to learn how you can implement these practices in your own educational context and the positive impact they can have on student engagement and achievement.

Outline



 * (00:00) Introduction to the Podcast
 * (03:08) Liberatory Assessment Framework
 * (07:45) Innovative Assessment Practices at Misa
 * (15:20) Student-Centered Learning and Continuous Improvement
 * (19:29) Practical Steps for Teachers
 * (27:20)  Actionable Advice for Educators
 * (29:42) Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Links



 * Watch the full video here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzOg3YuMl1I]
 * Read the full blog here [https://www.gettingsmart.com/podcast/bb-ntsakey-and-kelly-niccolls-on-assessment-journeys/]
 * Kelly Niccolls LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/kniccolls]
 * Bb Ntskaey LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/bbntsakey]
 * Mysa Microschool [https://mysaschool.org/]

How Can we Unlock The True Potential Of School Assessments? | BB Ntsakey & Kelly Niccolls

In this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, hosts Jordan Luster and Victoria Andrews delve into the critical aspects of sustainability within the microschool movement. They are joined by insightful leaders like Amar Kumar and Andrew Lee, who share their expertise on maintaining financial health, ensuring leadership succession, and prioritizing equity in education. Through candid discussions, the episode highlights how microschools, with their innovative and decentralized models, navigate challenges like budgeting, tuition setting, and creating inclusive environments. It’s a conversation not only about numbers but about sustaining passion and impact in education. Tune in to explore how these small-scale schools are making significant strides in shaping the future of learning.

Outline



 * (00:00) Introduction to the Getting Smart Podcast
 * (02:55) Insights from School Leaders
 * (09:42) Challenges and Future of Micro Schools
 * (15:38) Teacher Compensation and ESA's

Links



 * Read the full blog here [https://www.gettingsmart.com/podcast/voices-of-small-schools-podcast-sustainability/]
 * Andrew Lee | LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewleeofficial/]
 * Vita School of Innovation [https://vitahighschool.com/]
 * Amar Kumar | LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/kumaramar/]
 * KaiPod Learning [https://www.kaipodlearning.com/]

 

Voices of Small Schools Podcast: Sustainability

In this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, Tom Vander Ark engages in a thought-provoking discussion with Jamie Merisotis, CEO of the Lumina Foundation, about the evolving landscape of work and education in the age of artificial intelligence. As industries rapidly adopt AI technologies, Jamie shares insights on how human work is transforming and the crucial role of credentialing in ensuring economic prosperity. The conversation highlights the importance of redefining educational goals to include not only degrees but also valuable credentials that align with the demands of the modern workforce. Tune in to explore how AI is reshaping professions, why empathy and human skills remain essential, and how Lumina Foundation's ambitious goal aims to have 75% of the U.S. workforce equipped with meaningful credentials by 2040. This episode is a must-listen for educators, policymakers, and anyone interested in the future of work and education.

Outline 



 * (00:00) Introduction and Key Questions
 * (02:29) AI's Rapid Adoption and Implications
 * (07:38) Future of Work and Job Displacement
 * (10:58) Entrepreneurship in the Age of AI
 * (13:19) Higher Education's Role in the AI Era
 * (18:22) Redesigning Higher Education
 * (23:14) Lumina Foundation's Future Goals
 * (26:38) Conclusion and Acknowledgements

Links:



 * Watch the full video here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7GG4vLr8oc]
 * Read the full blog here [https://www.gettingsmart.com/podcast/auto-draft/]
 * Jamie Merisotis LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamie-merisotis-4799aa9]
 * Lumina Foundation [https://www.luminafoundation.org/]
 * New Lumina Vision [https://www.luminafoundation.org/news-and-views/a-bold-vision-for-a-prosperous-future/]
 * Human Work in the Age of Smart Machines [https://www.amazon.com/Human-Work-Age-Smart-Machines/dp/1948122626]
 * Diverse Teams Smart Tools Blog [https://www.gettingsmart.com/2023/03/30/new-problems-diverse-teams-smart-tools/]
 * National Council for Workforce Education [https://www.ncwe.org/]

What is Human Work in the Age of Smart Machines? | Jamie Merisotis

This podcast highlights developing trends in K-12 education, postsecondary and
lifelong learning. Each week, Getting Smart team members interview students,
leading authors, experts and practitioners in research, tech, entrepreneurship
and leadership to bring listeners innovative and actionable strategies in
education leadership. This podcast is most frequently hosted by Tom Vander Ark
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