In this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, Mason Pashia and Jason Cummins are thrilled to have Kara Bobroff join them to share her journey in transforming education for Indigenous communities. As the founder of One Generation and the driving force behind the Native American Community Academy (NACA), Kara passionately discusses how schools can truly reflect and serve their communities. Kara discusses the creation of NACA, a groundbreaking school built on the values of cultural identity, wellness, and academic achievement. Discover how this model has inspired a network of schools across the country, empowering Indigenous education and fostering a sense of belonging and purpose. Join us for an uplifting conversation about the power of community-driven education and the bright future it holds for learners everywhere.

Outline



 * (00:00) Introduction to the Getting Smart Podcast
 * (02:00) Challenges and Inspirations in Native American Education
 * (05:11) The Role of Community in Shaping NACA
 * (08:37) Innovative Approaches to Indigenous Education
 * (11:49) Expanding the Vision: The Native American Community Academy Network
 * (24:56) The Broader Impact: NISN and Community Transformation
 * (33:29) Looking Forward: One Generation and Future Goals

Links



 * Watch the full video here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmEIQQGGRgc]
 * Read the full blog here [https://www.gettingsmart.com/podcast/kara-bobroff-on-how-to-make-school-serve-the-broader-community/]
 * LinkedIn | Kara Bobroff [https://www.linkedin.com/in/kara-bobroff-1745404/]
 * Our Past, Present, and Future | Getting Smart blog [https://www.gettingsmart.com/2024/08/30/our-past-present-and-future/]
 * NACA Inspired Schools [https://www.nacainspiredschoolsnetwork.org/]
 * NACA Wellness Wheel [https://www.nisnresourcehub.org/naca-wellness-wheel/naca-wellness-wheel.html]
 * Humanizing Education [https://www.marzanoresources.com/humanized-education.html] (A book by Jason Cummins)

What Does A Truly Responsive School Look Like? | Kara Bobroff

Join us on the Getting Smart Podcast as host Mason Pashia dives into regenerative design in education with Benjamin Freud, Head of Upper School at Green School Bali and co-founder of Coconut Thinking. Together, they discuss how schools can move beyond sustainability to embrace regenerative practices that create conditions conducive to life—not just for students but for all living beings. Explore the difference between sustainable and regenerative design, how to foster emergence in learning, and why the future of education requires a life-centered approach. Tune in to rethink systems and embrace the messy, transformative potential of education!



Outline



 * (00:00) Introduction to the Podcast and Guest
 * (03:58) Regenerative vs. Sustainable Design
 * (06:53) Principles of Regenerative Practice in Education
 * (11:03) Challenges and Contradictions in Regenerative Education
 * (22:10) Exploring Growth Synergy in Education
 * (25:52) Collaborative Learning and Assessment
 * (29:38) Scaling and Adapting Educational Models
 * (33:55) The Four S's Design Principle
 * (37:39) Creating Conditions Conducive to Life

Links



 * Watch the full video here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx1hcrdbZoY]
 * Read the full blog [https://www.gettingsmart.com/podcast/benjamin-freud-on-the-biomimicry-for-regenerative-design-lab-at-green-school-bali/]
 * Benjamin Freud article [https://coconut-thinking.design/2022/03/12/we-are-not-beings-we-are-becomings/]
 * Benjamin LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/benjaminfreud/?originalSubdomain=th]
 * Coconut Thinking [https://coconut-thinking.design/]

How Could Regenerative Classrooms Change The Way We View Education? | Benjamin Freud

In this episode of Catching Up, Nate McClennen and Mason Pashia dive into a rich tapestry of educational innovation and thought-provoking topics. They explore Indiana's groundbreaking charter micro schools initiative, designed to re-engage students through public micro schools, and the fascinating history of Junior Republics—youth-led communities that once offered immersive real-world learning experiences. The duo also examines the importance of project management skills starting in kindergarten, the role of empathy in leadership, and the potential for education to combat tribalism while fostering the common good. Additionally, they unpack insights from the Global Flourishing Study, discussing how education can better equip learners with the skills and mindset to thrive in a rapidly evolving world. Tune in for an engaging conversation packed with actionable ideas and inspiring reflections!



Outline



 * (00:00) Introduction
 * (06:33) Employer Collaboration in Education
 * (09:37) AI in Education: Survey Insights
 * (12:12) Deep Dive: Indiana Charter Micro Schools
 * (16:14) Deep Dive: Junior Republics
 * (23:49) Real World Learning in 2025
 * (32:06) Purpose of Education and Tribalism
 * (43:36) Signs of Human Expression
 * (48:40) What’s That Song?

Links



 * Watch the full video here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWj9P3-AZuMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWj9P3-AZuM]
 * Read the full blog here [https://www.gettingsmart.com/podcast/catching-up-junior-republics-global-flourishing-and-education-conductors/]
 * Global flourishing study [https://globalflourishingstudy.com/]
 * Indiana charter micro schools [https://indianacapitalchronicle.com/2025/06/26/indiana-expands-school-choice-with-microschools/]
 * In Tandem [https://in-tandem.org/what-we-do]
 * Angela Even [https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Angela-Even-2?_tp=eyJjb250ZXh0Ijp7ImZpcnN0UGFnZSI6InB1YmxpY2F0aW9uIiwicGFnZSI6InB1YmxpY2F0aW9uIn19]
 * Purdue University Global [https://www.researchgate.net/institution/Purdue-University-Global?_tp=eyJjb250ZXh0Ijp7ImZpcnN0UGFnZSI6InB1YmxpY2F0aW9uIiwicGFnZSI6InB1YmxpY2F0aW9uIn19]
 * Research Gate: Project Management and Education [https://www.researchgate.net/publication/383831560_Project_Management_and_Education]
 * Junior Republics [https://thereader.mitpress.mit.edu/forgotten-history-junior-republic-movement/]

Catching Up! | Junior Republics, Global Flourishing, and Education Conductors?

In this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, we explore the transformative power of professions-based learning through the lens of the CAPS network. Join Tom Vander Ark as he gets into how CAPS integrates real-world learning experiences with career-connected pathways, creating dynamic opportunities for students across the nation. With over 100 sites and participation from 200 school districts, the CAPS model emphasizes self-discovery and entrepreneurial mindsets, equipping learners with durable, transferable skills. Featuring insights from Corey Mohn, CAPS Executive Director, and Sophia Porter, a distinguished CAPS alumna, we discuss the essential role of AI in education and envision the future of professions-based learning. Discover why CAPS is redefining the traditional education model and empowering students to thrive in a rapidly changing world!

Outline



 * (00:00) Introduction to CAPS
 * (04:26) Sophia's CAPS Experience
 * (08:36) Sophia's Professional Journey
 * (11:56) Core Values of CAPS
 * (14:35) AI in Education and Career Development
 * (25:23) Anthropic's Approach to AI Safety
 * (29:57) Final Thoughts and Advice

Links



 * Watch the full video here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UR6GFtYGhec]
 * Read the full blog here [https://www.gettingsmart.com/podcast/corey-mohn-and-sophia-porter-on-career-connected-pathways/]
 * Corey’s LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/coreymohn]
 * CAPS Network [https://yourcapsnetwork.org/]
 * Sophia Porter LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/sophiaporter]

How Does Professions-Based Learning Prepare Young People for Pathways of the Future? | Corey Mohn & Sophia Porter

In this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, Tom Vander Ark sits down with Dr. Don Haddad, retiring superintendent of St. Vrain Valley Schools, to explore the impactful journey of transforming a school district into a responsive, high-performing system. Dr. Haddad shares insights on building a vision that aligns education with the fast-changing global environment, fostering community trust, and developing diverse pathways that significantly raised graduation rates. His approach to leadership and innovation, focused on equity and opportunity, has not only benefited the district but also set a benchmark in educational leadership. Tune in to discover how a mindset of contribution and community engagement can drive successful educational reform.



Outline



 * (00:00) Introduction and Background
 * (02:28) Challenges and Vision in 2008
 * (09:14) Leadership and Mindset
 * (21:50) Systemic Changes and Innovations
 * (29:05) Extracurricular Achievements
 * (33:53) Sustaining Growth and Overcoming Challenges

Links



 * Watch the full video here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07bk1J3PNQw]
 * Read the full blog here [https://www.gettingsmart.com/podcast/don-haddad-on-creating-a-responsive-school-system/https://www.gettingsmart.com/podcast/don-haddad-on-creating-a-responsive-school-system/]
 * Don Haddad LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/don-haddad-ed-d-622a3650/]
 * St. Vrain Valley Schools [https://www.svvsd.org/]
 * P-Teach [https://www.svvsd.org/departments/professional-development/p-teach/]
 * P-Tech [https://www.svvsd.org/programs/p-tech/]
 * Career Elevation and Technology Center [https://cetc.svvsd.org/]

How Can We Create Dynamic, High-Performing, Well-Regarded School Systems? | Don Haddad

In this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, Nate McClennen dives into the cutting-edge world of AI in education with Habib Bangura from Urban Assembly. Discover how Project Cafe is revolutionizing classroom instruction by providing real-time, developmental feedback to teachers. By utilizing AI-driven video analysis, this innovative tool enhances teaching efficiency and effectiveness, paving the way for improved student outcomes. Join the conversation to explore how technology is transforming traditional educational models and what it means for the future of learning.



Outline



 * (00:00) Introduction to the Podcast
 * (06:19) Urban Assembly's Mission and Approach
 * (11:52) Challenges in Scaling Instructional Quality
 * (17:01) Project Cafe: AI-Driven Instructional Feedback
 * (27:32) Future of AI in Education

Links



 * Watch the full video here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7cgPb8FVLg]
 * Read the full blog [https://www.gettingsmart.com/podcast/habib-bangura-on-urban-assemblys-project-cafe/]
 * LinkedIn [http://linkedin.com/in/habibmbangura]
 * The Urban Assembly [https://www.urbanassembly.org/]

How Can AI Technology Transform Classroom Instruction? | Habib Bangura

In this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, join Tom Vander Ark as he explores the transformative power of community-engaged learning with guests from Elizabethton High School in rural Tennessee. Discover how educators like Dustin Hensley are redefining education by integrating real-world challenges into the classroom, allowing students to develop crucial skills and a sense of purpose. Hear inspiring stories from alumni Veronica Watson and Sadie Whitehead, who share how these experiences have shaped their personal and professional lives. This conversation highlights the importance of student-centered education and the potential for community engagement to create meaningful learning opportunities. Tune in to learn how schools can become vibrant hubs for community connection and innovation.

Outline



 * (00:00) Introduction to Community Engaged Learning
 * (02:45) Student-Centered Learning in Action
 * (14:20) Leadership and Community Impact
 * (27:19) The Role of AI in Community Learning
 * (29:43) Advice for Educational Leaders
 * (31:52) Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Links



 * Watch the full video here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH6JWuvVFmQ]
 * Read the full blog [https://www.gettingsmart.com/podcast/elezibethon/]
 * Dustin Hensley LinkedIn [http://linkedin.com/in/dustin-hensley-232218282]
 * Elizabethon City Schools [https://www.ecschools.net/]
 * Dustin Hensley Profile  [https://www.libraryjournal.com/story/dustin-hensley-movers-shakers-2021%E2%80%93educators]
 * Sadie Whitehead [http://linkedin.com/in/sadie-whitehead-980457179]
 * Chatt Foundation team [https://chattfoundation.org/our-team] 

What does entrepreneurship class look like in rural Tennessee? | Elizabethton High School

In this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, Tom Vander Ark sits down with Paul Herdman, CEO of the Rodell Foundation of Delaware, to discuss the transformative power of pathways in education. They delve into how initiatives like work-based learning and seamless transitions from high school to career can enhance student success and readiness for the future. This conversation highlights the importance of collaboration between educational institutions and employers to build effective and equitable pathways. Tune in to explore the new possibilities for students and the education system.



Outline



 * (00:00) Introduction to Career Connected Learning
 * (02:13) The Origin of Pathways in Delaware
 * (03:51) Global Insights and Project Development
 * (07:11) Design Elements for Effective Pathways
 * (13:36) Implementation Strategies and Equity Focus
 * (25:15) Advice for School and System Leaders
 * (30:47) Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Links



 * Watch the full video [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LibByvMSFJY]
 * Read the full blog [https://www.gettingsmart.com/podcast/paul-herdman-on-education-pathways/]
 * Rodel Foundation of Delaware [https://rodelde.org/person/paul-herdman/]
 * Paul Herdman LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/paul-herdman-95644364/]
 * Jobs for the Future [https://www.jff.org/]

What can we learn from pathways implementation around the world? | Paul Herdman

In the latest episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, we dive into the transformative power of project-based learning (PBL) through the lens of the Border Lands project. Hosted by Shawnee Caruthers, this episode features insightful conversations with Ryan Sprott, an educator and PBL advocate, alongside former students Annah Sanchez, Daniela Hernandez, and Bianca Garza. Together, they explore how immersive learning experiences at the US-Mexico border shaped their understanding of complex social issues and fostered personal growth. The guests reflect on the profound impact of engaging directly with real-world challenges, emphasizing the importance of empathy, active listening, and critical thinking. This episode highlights the urgency of PBL in today's education landscape, advocating for its role in preparing students for the complexities of modern society. Tune in to hear how these experiences continue to influence their lives and why PBL is crucial for fostering a more equitable and interconnected world.



Outline



 * (00:00) Introduction and Personal Reflection
 * (04:24) The Power and Impact of PBL
 * (09:47) Student Reflections: Initial Understanding of the Border
 * (16:21) Profound Moments and Personal Growth
 * (23:55) Skills and Lessons Learned
 * (31:57) The Art Component and Overcoming Challenges
 * (38:08) Final Reflections and Advice
 * (46:45) Current Students Experiences

Links



 * Watch the full video here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ3t6UrlygY]
 * Read the full blog here [https://www.gettingsmart.com/podcast/pblworks-students-on-the-equity-fellows-program/]
 * How to Teach About Global Borders and Migration (Opinion) [https://www.edweek.org/teaching-learning/opinion-how-to-teach-about-global-borders-and-migration/2017/04]
 * Teaching Contentious Topics in a Divided Nation: A Memoir and Primer for Pedagogical Transformation [https://www.amazon.com/Teaching-Contentious-Topics-Divided-Nation/dp/B0DGRPB45J] by Ryan Sprott
 * Ryan Sprott LinkedIn [http://linkedin.com/in/ryan-sprott-ed-d-1451791a6]
 * PBLworks [https://www.pblworks.org/]
 * Daniela Hernandez LinkedIn [http://linkedin.com/in/daniela-marie-hernandez]

What is the Lasting Impact of High Quality Project-Based Learning? | Ryan Sprott, Annah Sanchez, Daniela Hernandez, and Bianca Garza

In this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, Nate McClennen and Rebecca Midles discuss the Getting Smart Learning Innovation Framework [https://www.gettingsmart.com/getting-smart-innovation-framework/], designed to catalyze systems change in education. They explore how personalized, competency-based learning models integrated with AI can meet the diverse needs of students and overcome the systemic challenges currently facing education. The conversation highlights the framework's focus on community-driven visions, adaptive learning models, and innovative signaling methods to ensure meaningful credentialing and assessment. Join us as we uncover the potential of this framework to lead educational systems toward new horizons, addressing pressing issues such as equity and access while empowering learners and leaders alike.



Outline



 * (00:00) Introduction to the Framework
 * (03:00) The Role of Leadership in Education
 * (09:59) The Importance of R&D in Schools
 * (19:39) Overview of the Framework
 * (26:16) Learning from Implementation
 * (29:50) Debates and Discussions
 * (34:39) Next Steps and Conclusion

Links



 * Watch full video here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hz8kDVzeBgI]
 * Read the full blog [https://www.gettingsmart.com/podcast/rebecca-midles-and-nate-mcclennen-on-the-learning-innovation-framework/]
 * The Getting Smart Learning Innovation Framework [https://www.gettingsmart.com/getting-smart-innovation-framework/]
 * Building Systems That Serve: The Power of the Getting Smart Innovation Framework [https://www.gettingsmart.com/2025/03/11/building-systems-that-serve-the-power-of-the-getting-smart-innovation-framework/]
 * What is the Evolving Role of Future Educators?  [https://www.gettingsmart.com/2025/05/05/what-is-the-evolving-role-of-future-educators/]
 * How can we reimagine where learning happens? Designing schools as community hubs within a personalized ecosystem [https://www.gettingsmart.com/2025/04/17/reimagining-where-learning-happens-schools-as-community-hubs-within-a-personalized-ecosystem/]
 * The Transcript Trap: Why Our Students Need Credentials, Not Just Grades [https://www.gettingsmart.com/2025/04/09/the-transcript-trap-why-our-students-need-credentials-not-just-grades/]

How do you drive lasting systems change? | The Learning Innovation Framework

This podcast highlights developing trends in K-12 education, postsecondary and
lifelong learning. Each week, Getting Smart team members interview students,
leading authors, experts and practitioners in research, tech, entrepreneurship
and leadership to bring listeners innovative and actionable strategies in
education leadership. This podcast is most frequently hosted by Tom Vander Ark
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