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The American Craftsman Podcast Ep. 41 | Love What You Do
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On Episode 41 of The American Craftsman Podcast, hosted by Greene Street Joinery, we answer the question: "do you have to love what you do to be good at it?"
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Changes in Education
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Wow. Here we are.
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41 weeks, 11 weeks from a year. If you could do math. They call that head math nowadays. Yeah, not a. What's the math that they're doing now? The. Everything's kind of like it could be the answer. Yeah, but they have a name common core math. Every time I've seen an example of it, I was extremely confused. Yeah, I remember the old days of flashcards.
00:01:55
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Multiplication tables. Yeah. Long division. And if you got something simple wrong, you're just shamed. Beaten. Paddled. Do we still call those the good old days? I didn't go to Catholic school, so there was no paddling going on. Well, here we are. American Craftsman podcast, episode 41. Yeah.
00:02:22
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Yeah, I don't know. I don't even remember how many times I got paddled. Never, thankfully. I do know it was over 300 in one term. Oh my God, there's only 180 days of school. Yep. Well, they didn't just give you one at a time. Oh, okay. I thought you meant 300 instances. No, no, it was quite a year.
00:02:43
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I was making big adjustments. It was my you know, one of my first years moving from New York out west and they there was corporal punishment out there. Yeah, it seems like more like a New York thing like in like a Catholic school. Yeah. Yeah. Joey Diaz talk about the nuns. Yeah, these teachers they had either fiberglass and they were like drill holes through them.
00:03:07
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Or like a bar of fiberglass? No, like a fiberglass paddle. Yeah, like a quarter inch sheet of fiberglass with like tape around the handle. This is a public school. Yeah. Or wood. The old fashioned teachers had wood.
00:03:25
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No wonder kids are screwed up these days. They're raised by you people who are being beaten with sheets of plexiglass. And everybody says, well I turned out all right. Did you really?
00:03:44
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That's debatable. That's the word I was going to use. You're not in federal prison, but... Well, there are instances I can point to where I could say, I've turned out all right. But as a whole, it's a lot of baggage. Let's get real. Nobody's right. None of us.
00:04:05
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Well, we got a special beer of the week this week.
Beer of the Week: Firestone Walker's Mind Haze IPA
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As you guys probably know, Manny has been in the shop a little bit this week, a little bit last week, helping us out with this welding project. We're collaborating on that. And so Manny's girlfriend, Denise, listens to the podcast with him occasionally.
00:04:24
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And she wanted to pick out the beer of the week. Nice. So Manny actually brought us two beers. We're not going to be drinking both today. But we have one here that Denise picked out. Yeah, I'm thirsty too. We'll save the other one for right. OK, we'll do it next week. Yeah. So, oh, we got to do our B-roll. You got that camera. We need to hire a TD, technical director. Yeah.
00:04:54
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HD 60 frames a second Here's the problem when I shoot this b-roll. I'm shooting into all this area That's like when you see like the audience when you're watching Conan O'Brien So what we got here is from Firestone Walker called mine Hayes IPA Firestone Walker's a good brewery from what I remember. I don't know if they've changed in the in the years I've sort of been out of the loop, but I
00:05:21
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around Paso Robles, California. Oh, I've been through there. And you know what? On the box, it definitely had a blurb, but it's absent on the can, so we'll have to go in uninformed. That's blind country. Paso Robles? Yeah. I think they used to be in Escondido. Is that kind of in the same area? Paso Robles, if I remember, is more like Central Valley. Oh, man, that smells good.
00:05:49
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So thanks, Denise. Thanks, Manny. Yeah. The hazy IPA is the hot. Yeah, we've had quite a few, haven't we? The hot thing right now. Firestone makes a beer called Parabola.
00:06:08
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Which is, uh... Sounds complicated. Yeah, it is. Actually, I should look that up. It's like a... A stout... Fire... Stone. And you know, actually... Let me look up the... The blurb on this. Minehaze. Yeah. I like the can. Yeah. It looks like ice. Mm-hmm. Minehaze. Well, I need a sip, so... Yeah, cheers. Chindan. Si.
00:06:42
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Mmm. That's good. Juicy hate. God damn it.
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I thought it was going to ask me how old I am. No, look at that. They have this fancy web page. 6.2% alcohol by volume, 40 IBUs, so not very bitter. They have a color number now, six, whatever that means. Juicy, hazy tropical from the coast of California comes Mind Haze, a free-spirited beer made to elevate your perception. Juicy, fresh, and loaded with an imaginative array of tropical hot flavors.
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made to elevate your perception. Is there drugs in this? I was about to say. It's got LSD in it. Just a touch. Yeah. Just a touch. Let's see if they have parabola on here. Propagator. Parabola in a small bottle. That wasn't that it? Looks different than
00:07:49
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These are two different vintage. They've changed their total look and everything since I used to work in this place, Twinlight Taphouse. And it was probably the best craft beer bar in entire Monmouth County and even further than that. But we used to get stuff in that you couldn't find anywhere else. Look at the numbers on that compared to what we're drinking. Yeah, 13.6% alcohol.
00:08:18
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And what's that 160 compared to 6? That's the color. So 6 is really light and 160 is really dark. Age for a year in premium bourbon barrels to gain depth complexity and intensity then blended and released in limited quantities, righteously dark and thick with boldly balanced flavors of chocolate, charred oak, vanilla, black cherry and coffee.
00:08:39
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So we used to get you know we get stuff in like we get a case of parabola in in the big bottles You know like a 750 milliliter we'd suck some away, so then You could drink a 20 a 2010 a 2011 and a 2012 parabola back-to-back and sort of see
Welding Project Progress
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the difference Yeah, they're called a vertical tasting so we do all kinds of cool shit. I like that anyway
00:09:07
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We just, uh, it's only been seven minutes. I'm surprised. Usually we get off on a tangent for about an hour. What do you got tool of the week? Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, it just so happens that we were doing all that grinding. So I got my, uh, my old Peltors
00:09:33
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And they were hanging up on the wall. They were all dusty because I really don't wear hearing protection all too often. And for all intents and purposes, our shop for a wood shop that does professional work, it's not that noisy.
00:09:49
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No, no, there's you know when it's noisy. It's noisy, but a lot most of the time it's not I mean we got a dust collector in a separate room, and we got spiral cutter heads on our big machines Manny cracked me up when we Turned on the CT 15. He said man this vacuum is quiet
00:10:07
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That's right. Even our little vac. You should take it for granted. Yeah, everything. So everything's nice. So we're doing all this grinding and cutting metal. And I really had a reach for some hearing protection. And so I cleaned them off and put them on and they're really nice. Yeah. Super like low. Yeah. Like big can. Right. These are the low profiles. So you put them on and they fit pretty snug. But
00:10:35
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I don't know how they do it, because these are the kind that don't take a battery. Oh, they don't take a battery. No. The other ones take four batteries, but they have some kind of way of suppressing. What's that switch do on there? I have no idea. It has two? Yeah, I got two switches. It must open some kind of valve or something. Yeah, that's what I think it is when I was reading about it. It's some kind of air valve.
00:11:04
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But I can hear you talking. Yeah, but something loud at all. Yeah, it kind of squashes it somehow. It must be some sort of pressure sensitive. But I guess the technology is developed for shooting ranges and stuff like that. So the crack of a gun is really suppressed.
00:11:24
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And, you know, they don't stick out too much so you can, you know, that's another thing. When you got big cans on your head, you're forever like knocking them off or they're falling off your head if you're doing something physical. So I think these were about 60 bucks or something like that.
00:11:42
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I think we have them. We have them in our Amazon storefront. But obviously they'll be in the in the description. Yeah. I mean, listen, it's not something that we do as much as we should. The hearing protection. Yeah. I put in I have like LG earbuds, you know, Bluetooth headset that has the thing that goes around your neck and you put them in your ear. I use that as my hearing protection. Right. Which not. I was thinking today I need to find a better
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because I do need to put them in more. Like even when I run the table saw, really should be wearing hearing protection. Now I only do it when I sort of, I'm like, oh man, that's hurting my ears. I better put some more. Drilling metal, cutting metal. That's when we recognize it. Between playing in bands and working with machinery most of my life, it's amazing how much hearing I have left.
00:12:41
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Yeah, I mean, in my, you know, early, early 20s, I hung out in bars a lot with live music and, you know, you go home at the end of the night, your ears are ringing. It's louder in the audience than it is on stage most of the time. I mean, especially the bigger the place is because you have to keep your stage volume down for the sound man to mix the band correctly.
00:13:02
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if you're just blowing from the stage in like one of those small places it could get really loud you know guitars especially like marshall stacks and that old thing but typically like even a place like the size of stone pony you'll see guitars they're going to be playing at a little combo amps most of the time yeah um
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I always found that strange when people have like a big ass amp and they haven't miked up. What's the point? You have like a four by like two four by fours or whatever. Yeah. Two by twelves. Yeah. Like and then you have a microphone in front of it because they're only miking one speaker. Yeah. Well a lot of you know the big rock acts for years and years
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carried around walls of those dummy cabinets. Ted Nugent, my dad always tells me, but it was like just a wall of speakers. Yeah. And then later on, most of those bands just went to empty cabinets because it didn't make any sense to have the road crew carrying around all these full cabins that you're not plugging in.
00:14:05
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Yeah, it's just a show. Right. Right. Back in the olden days, like in the late 60s, you did have to blow from the stage. And that's where that all developed. Like, you know, the amps weren't even loud enough to keep up back then. Like guys like Pete Townes and they would he went to high watt. I think it was was like, man, you got to get make me a louder amp. You got to make me a 50 watt. You got to make me 100 watt. These things didn't exist.
00:14:33
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I mean now you get like a 20 watt combo amp and you blow the windows out of the house. Exactly. Like I'm not even kidding like you could hear like the person five houses down playing inside the house and they have this tiny little and it's like a crappy cheap one that you got with a squire strat or something.
00:14:51
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All my amps, the biggest one I have is 25 watts. It happens to be the smallest. And that's a 2-band. Yeah, they're all 2-bands, but they're 25 and 20 watts. The others I have are all 20 watts. And I play nothing with the band, you know what I mean? I'm crushing them if I have to turn up.
00:15:14
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And I guess, yeah, you have to be at a certain volume to get the sound that you want. Yeah, yeah. That's the thing with tube amps. You know, you most people play with tube amps want to play right on the edge of breakup. So you need that tube saturation. So for me, that's why smaller water jams are better because you can, you know, push them harder.
00:15:36
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I'm laughing to myself because this is a woodworking podcast. Here we go. Was that the digressing you were talking about? Oh my god. Here's what I'm going to segue. Jerry wants to hear about the new Muxiwa flex edge bander. Yeah, so you might have seen, we posted on
00:16:01
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What the hell's today? Today's Tuesday, yesterday's Monday. Monday, we finally got the Moxiwa, so we ordered it, I don't know, two weeks ago from Taco Tools, which they, seems like they're the distributor for Moxiwa, because they're in Pompano Beach, and Moxiwa is, they're based in Brazil, and as far as I know, all the machines are made in Brazil, and they're headquartered in Pompano Beach, so they must have some sort of exclusive deal going on.
00:16:30
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So we ordered it, and it was supposed to ship same day.
Tool Delivery Frustrations
00:16:34
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I don't know what the hell happened. Didn't ship same day, but...
00:16:37
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Thursday was the day it was supposed to show up. Didn't show up. Friday. Oh, FedEx. It's out for delivery on the truck. Doesn't show up. Tracking updates about four o'clock. Delivery delayed. Schedule for delivery tomorrow. It's Friday. So Saturday, all morning, I'm checking the tracking. I'm like, yeah, I'm going to head over to the shop later. It'll be there. You know, I can edge band those parts or at least open it up. Get familiarized with it.
00:17:10
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Uh, what time was it? I must've went over to the shop about two o'clock, did some work expecting it to show up. You came back from having lunch with Christopher and then we're standing on the porch waiting for it. Yeah. And it didn't show up. So I went home three 45.
00:17:28
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And then a couple hours later I checked the tracking and said, delivery attempted at 3.29, but business was closed or no one was home. I'm like, what the hell? I'm like, we were standing on the porch at 3.29 waiting for this person to show up. Just by chance. Just by chance.
00:17:47
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We were because I have a text message to my wife at 345 when I was turning on to highway 36 on my way home. Yeah. So I mean, without a shadow of a doubt, we were standing on the three twenty nine. Meanwhile, the package doesn't have it. It doesn't need to be signed for. No. So they could have just dropped it off anyway, which they did when they find. Right. So
00:18:11
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Sunday morning, I called FedEx, gave him some help because it said it was going to be delivered on Tuesday now. They don't work Mondays. Right. So the guy said, yeah, you know, a lot of these home delivery branches of FedEx are only open Tuesday to Sunday. I said, then why the hell aren't they delivering it today?
00:18:31
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So he called over there and they got delivered. And all these FedEx people are contracted out. So I think the person just, I don't know, didn't want to drive. Maybe we have a, we're the last stop or the furthest from the other, and they just, they didn't want to do it. It was a big truck, not a semi truck, but it was a big box truck. Oh yeah. Yeah. Did it say FedEx? Oh yeah. It was a full on, he came up. Well I'm guessing they sent a special truck. Yes, that's what I mean. Because
00:18:59
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Usually the trucks that come to our place. They're like those independent like a sprinter van or yeah Anyway back to what we think Had a little bit of trouble Initially getting the amount of glue Figured out. Mm-hmm. Now the instruction said turn counterclockwise for less glue and
00:19:26
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And I don't know which side of the machine you're standing on. I kept turning counterclockwise, and it wasn't improving. And come to find out, I was turning it the wrong direction. So finally, today, I got it figured out. The other counterclockwise. Counterclockwise, you had to reach this way and turn. Yeah, if you were facing the opposite direction. Right, like in turning the knob backhand. So regardless of that, it
00:19:54
Speaker
I mean, I'm pretty happy with it. Yeah, yeah. I think it's good value. Yeah, so we got a renewed one, which is, you know, refurbished.
Tool Reviews: Edge Bander and Woodpecker Prank
00:20:03
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It was, I think it was like $1,300 with tax. They retail for $1,800. So, you know, it's about half the price of the festival if you buy it new. And I haven't used the contour.
00:20:20
Speaker
I know people that have it. They like it. I'm sure it's a better machine than this. Festival is with the engineering and stuff. They're really good. They think of a lot of things that even we don't necessarily think of. They build in these features that are things that you wouldn't think you needed, but when you have it, it's good.
00:20:40
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For us, I mean, it allows us to either keep it mounted on that little table. We could build some wings. Or if we have something that's big and heavy and not able to be taken to the edge banner, you can use it like the contour and use it like a mobile.
00:20:57
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, we're essentially going to use it for shelves. That's really it. Yeah. The one off, you know, frameless, like we're building those three frameless cabinets now because there's beverage coolers in this credenza. So to do an inset and then try and match the sizes, it just gets real, real messy. So we're doing frameless on that. And like we're going to be edge banning this stuff for the commercial job coming up. So right.
00:21:24
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Right. Chances are we're going to be doing more commercial work, so it'll learn its keep, that's for sure. I have a fuzzer. Hang in front of my eye.
00:21:37
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So we like it. I mean, it didn't really take that long to get used to it. No. And it is what it is. It's not a big, you know, feed it in self feeding. No, there's no pre milling or, you know, we're the edge banner that I've used is the one at Tom's shop, which was, you know, a brand. It's like a eighty thousand sixty eighty thousand dollar edge banner. Probably it's got
00:22:05
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pre milling so you cut your piece twenty four and then you you set the machine so that when it comes out the other end it's still twenty four so it does pre milling it does that gluing it does the trimming does the the the bevel you know it puts a little eases the edges yeah i mean it does all that stuff so this is just glue it on
00:22:24
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And we're using the Viratex trimmer and the edge trimmer, the end trimmer, which now that there's not all this excess glue, I mean, it trims nice. And white oak edge banding, which has got to be the most difficult material to deal with. All that run out. Yeah, I mean, you know, white oak is, white oak can be a nightmare.
00:22:50
Speaker
Lucky for us, we use it all the time. That's why I'm laughing. Getting a bunch more. Yeah. Yeah. We got 100 board feet showing up tomorrow. Yeah. Five quarter quartered. That's our bread and butter. Five quarter, quarter white oak. Yeah. Which, believe it or not, we have none right now. That's unbelievable. We did just cut up a bunch of six quarter for those bottle holders. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
00:23:21
Speaker
Oh, is that only six quarter? I mean, didn't we get? Oh, no, it was eight quarter, eight quarter, eight quarter. Yeah. Yeah. We had six quarter for something. Yeah. Um, tops of the altar rail. Yes. Yeah. I was left off from the church.
00:23:39
Speaker
I mean, I'd say, uh, tentatively. Yeah. Initial impressions are good. Yeah. Uh, one and a half thumbs up. Yeah. Yeah. I think we're just, we're still trying to figure it out. Yeah. It takes, it takes a certain amount of user, uh, skill to, to navigate. It's not like one of those things you shove it in.
00:24:02
Speaker
You have to hit the glue roller and the pressure roller at the same time. If you lose contact from the glue roller, well, then you don't have any glue on your piece. I was having trouble at the ends. I think an in-feed and an out-feed will help with that because it's a small, maybe 16 by 20 or something. Right. All right, Jerry. So maybe you'll find yourself with one of these soon. Yeah.
00:24:33
Speaker
Let's move on to the questions of the week. I like this first question from Tim at True Trade Carpentry on Instagram. It's an interesting one. Yeah, I think this is directed at you since the episode of last week. Do you think any more pictures of your Woodpecker tool collection, your Jeffrey Woodpecker tool collection, will surface? Well, I have an announcement to make.
00:25:00
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I actually just signed a five year contract with Bridge City Tools. So I'm not going to be able to. Woodpecker's ugly cousin. No, no, there's going to be no woodpeckers and there's going to be no Bridge City Tools in my apron again. I'm going to start playing stuff in Manny's apron. I've been framed. That's all I can say. Like Fall Out Boy cassettes. Yeah, I don't have to plant those already in there.
00:25:30
Speaker
the the
00:25:47
Speaker
Yeah, I won't blow up your guys spot Tim and Manny. Yeah. I don't know if everybody caught that, but there was a, you know, after last week's episode and our little, uh, you know, uh, I, I won't excuse myself from it, but you know, you pretty much went off on woodpecker.
00:26:05
Speaker
Well, yeah, I got an opinion. Yeah. And, um, uh, earlier in the week, uh, the, there was a little bit of a conspiring between Tim and Manny and they planted one of Manny's woodpecker tools in your apron, took a photo and then posted it up on Instagram.
00:26:27
Speaker
I will say it was really fun. It was hilarious. I was dying when I saw it. But getting like some up close and personal time with that tool, I have an even lesser opinion of it than I did before. How do you like how you take off the little thing so it stands up? I just don't get it. It's like it's like fixing a problem that doesn't exist.
00:26:55
Speaker
But I think we can explain more of this next question. I purposely put these in this order. This is from Vince, one of our patrons, RobVinceP. See, his name has been evolving. I used to think it was RobVincep. Now I know it's RobVinceP on Instagram. What are your standard or everyday marking and layout tools? So the
00:27:24
Speaker
I'll say it's probably less than a half a dozen things. Yeah. Obviously marking pencil. I like a 0.9 pencil. Layout and I mean I guess squares and stuff are considered. Would that be marking or would that be layout? I guess kind of both. Yeah. Yeah. We use them both ways. So I use a four inch PEC double square. That does most of what I need.
00:27:49
Speaker
Actually, what I used even more is a Veritas six inch precision square. So it's just a an L like a mini framing square six inches by three inches or something. Yeah, it's three quarter wide, right? Yeah, three quarter inches wide. That does 90 that does 60% of what I need.
00:28:10
Speaker
Let's say 50%. The PEC double square does 40%. The other 10%, I'm using a framing square that we have. It's a craftsman that we know is square. And it's no big jewel of a square. No, it's just a craft. It's a 16 by 24 aluminum.
00:28:27
Speaker
And I know I was shit talking aluminum, but it's an aluminum framing square that we know is square and that we check every now and then. And we have a place for it to hang up. Right. It sits in one spot. So we don't bang it around. It's not something that's in and out of pockets all the time that could get dropped or could, you know, get dinged or dented. Then we have an 18-inch stearate with the protractor. I have a 6-inch Weizu engineer square.
00:28:52
Speaker
And the Veritas cabinet maker is sliding squared. And that's it. Yeah. And I basically have the same exact stuff. I just use them differently. Like I used a double square a lot more. I use a double square kind of like you use the precision square. But I also have the precision square. And we make sure our tapes are accurate to one another.
00:29:21
Speaker
I have a thing for tapes right now. I'm still stuck on the Tajima, but we always make sure that they're measuring to one another. Yeah, okay. I Maybe it's just the way that that we work and and it maybe it's just coincidence, but we don't do a lot of
00:29:41
Speaker
marking like not marking that that really means anything right concrete like even just got the tapers on those. Wine bottle holders.
Pragmatic Woodworking Approaches
00:29:56
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Could I tell you what degree? I have no idea what degree it is. It's three-quarter down from the top, and it's six and a quarter inches in from the side. And you connect the dots on the saw. I didn't even draw a line. Point here, point there. So we don't- It looks right. So that's how we do it. I hate the sound.
00:30:17
Speaker
I don't know like I'm shitting on everybody but like the whole woodpecker thing with the holes where you can mark all these lines I just don't understand what people are using that for. It is very far into how we work and
00:30:32
Speaker
We're lucky that we both kind of happen to work that way and enjoy, you know, like that. What do you call that big broadsided Veritas walking? I think they call it a cabinet maker sliding square or something like that. I introduced that and it's just like one of those tools like, wow, this is really handy when you want to run a long line. Yeah. And to be honest, we only do that for like laying out screws.
00:31:02
Speaker
And it's on the back of a cabinet that you're never going to see. That's when we start laying stuff out when we're going to put screws in because we're both so weird that way. We want the screws to be lined up and measured. Like if I'm cutting something, it's happening with
00:31:19
Speaker
a stop block or if it doesn't really matter then I'm using my tape and I'm cutting to a line. Maybe I'm squaring a line across but I'm never marking things like consecutively like I got a mark inch and an eighth and then an inch and an inch and five sixteenths and it just I don't know it doesn't happen the way we work maybe
00:31:40
Speaker
if you lay out mortises and tenons and stuff a lot. But even then, a double square. Yeah. And we kind of set up our tools. If we're doing something that needs to be repeated, we set up blocks and the machinery and the tooling so that that's doing the repeated cuts.
00:32:00
Speaker
Yeah, like let's say I have to cut the middle out of a square of plywood. I'm not going to and I want a three inch frame. I'm not going to measure over three inches. I'm just going to set the fence to three inches and just cut it. So maybe it's a workflow thing. I don't know. Also, we do we do our drawing on the computer. So we're figuring out a lot of this stuff.
00:32:20
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without making sawdust too. You know, things that maybe other people are, they're working through on pieces of wood. We've done that virtually. Yeah. I say this all the time, but the thing that always cracks me up, when you see like an ad for a tool and they're like, you can mark 45 degree miters.
00:32:43
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Who is cutting to a line on a miter? Right, right. If you saw, I can't do it. We don't even have a square that's set up to mark 45. We have a plastic speed square that we use for marking rough lumber. Yeah, with a piece of chalk. Yeah, or a sharpie. Yeah, that's what we use it for.
00:33:07
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I don't know. To each their own. If you like Woodpecker, that's fine. And if you like having all these wacky market tools, even Incra, stuff like that, I just don't get it. I think people would be surprised to see the tools that we use. I wouldn't be able to work one of these tools into my workflow. I wouldn't be able to do it. I would have a hard time finding a use for it. That double square, I have days where it doesn't even come out of my apron.
00:33:35
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What do I need a square line for? The miter saw a square, the table saw a square. Yeah. I don't know.
00:33:44
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I use my finger in a tape measure for most things. What do you call that? Where you put your finger on the edge and just drag it along. I don't know. So like a finger scribe almost. Yeah, that's a great little... Because what's this line so important for? What's it got to be? This line is parallel to the edge within 1-1,000th of an inch.
00:34:09
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Well, I'm putting in number six screws. Does it really matter if it's a 16th that way, a 16th that way? Yeah, I don't know.
00:34:18
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Well, you're not really one to make charcuterie boards, are you? That's where that sort of accuracy comes in. That's where that sort of accuracy comes in. I'll say it once, I've said it again. The money that people spend on stuff like woodpeckers would be better spent on an upgraded table saw or band saw, whatever.
00:34:40
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track saw. Something, yeah. Don't have a job site table saw and then you have a thousand dollars worth of marking tools. Yeah. Because there's no accuracy. You might be able to mark, yeah, you could mark a line that's perfectly square, but your saw sure as hell can't cut perfectly square. So, yeah. First get the saw that can cut square and then worry about your line. All right. I feel better.
00:35:04
Speaker
I'm still getting it out Cory CT woodwork on Instagram. I've been following this guy's work For a while now bed. We were talking about the bed and then he sent pictures. Yeah, really nice. Yeah shit really nice stuff asha walnut What's the oddest project you've made? Hmm
00:35:27
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made, I don't know, worked on. I didn't even really work on this, but reattaching the head onto that pelican. I mean, that was pretty odd.
00:35:45
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That is one of the weirdest things we've had come through the shop. Although it was really a bunch of nice work, making those confessionals is kind of an odd job in the strictest sense of the word.
00:36:03
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It doesn't come up much. It's such a niche thing because there's only so many churches that have confessionals. Are confessionals only in Catholic churches? I think it's only in Catholic churches. So there's only so many Catholic churches and then most of these places already have confessionals. So it's not like it's like where they're constantly getting new confessionals.
00:36:26
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I mean, most of the time they're just like in like a room. Right. So just like a washroom kind of. Yeah. Like ours was just in like one of like the little chapels or whatever. It's like you sat in a chair and then the priest sat in a chair next to you. Nothing between you or anything. And these were somewhat traditional in their styling, like, you know, last century kind of thing. Yeah.
00:36:50
Speaker
So that was pretty odd. I made a I guess I'll call it an urn, you know, where somebody's remains were to be kept. Yeah. And so that was a little bit. I made it. I made it for my brother. Yeah. Yeah. So those are those are not usual things. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, most of the stuff is unique in its own right. But nothing
00:37:20
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right we always have a twist on something yeah I mean those cheese lounges were kind of funky yeah yeah I don't know we're like the kings of functionality and practicality so yeah nothing too off the wall right that's why I think the the confessionals fit the bill you know it's
00:37:44
Speaker
I'd like to hear if anybody else has taken on that job. Yeah, yeah. We saw the Confessionals at that other church. I think there was more sin going on inside that. Yeah, they were made out of like a Luan plywood. That's the sin right there, the construction of those things. Yeah, you know, as one of the parishioners.
00:38:15
Speaker
Yeah, it looks like an outhouse. All right, you got one here from Peter. He's a local guy. I think he's in Freehold. Ruster Holtz, woodworking on Instagram. We were chatting last week. He came to the U.S. from... Oh, shit. Is this Switzerland?
00:38:42
Speaker
Let me see, because I don't want to misspeak. Yeah, Switzerland. He did a four-year apprenticeship as a cabinet maker, and then he moved to New York in 1985 when he was 23. So really cool. He's been at it for 40 years. He wants to know,
00:39:10
Speaker
Do we have any concern about welding in a wood shop? Not really. I wouldn't say concern. I mean, we keep a bunch of fire extinguishers around and, you know, we're welding on the concrete floor for the most part. And we don't have a lot of dust. No. We don't have a lot of flammable things in the shop, just in general.
00:39:32
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Yeah, no harsh finishes like that or anything. It's always pretty clean. We made sure it was extra clean before we started doing this. Maybe we've been vacuuming up all the metal dust. But we're aware of it. We're not oblivious to what's going on. And I think the risk is probably pretty low. Those sparks
00:39:57
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they fly off and they die out, you know, pretty quick. Yeah. They've been hitting us in the bare arms. Yeah. I mean, have you ever tried to make a campfire? You know how hard it is to actually set wood on fire. I mean, you can hold a like a lighter to even like a like a torch, a butane. It would take a while. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So yeah, we're cautiously optimistic about it.
00:40:24
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Yeah. I suppose there are some places that are fire hazards just to begin with. Yeah. So you wouldn't want to introduce anything like welding. Yeah. And that being said, I mean, it's not ideal, but no. It's not that much different from any other shop environment, the way it's set up. No, I mean, we have like the mats and stuff on the floor, but I mean, yeah, if it was just bare concrete floor, then be basically the same. Yeah, exactly.
00:40:52
Speaker
All right. You want me to read this next one? Yeah. Why don't you guys post the making of the beautiful things? Well, thank you. You do on YouTube. That's Marcello or Marcello M.F. Cosi on Instagram.
00:41:07
Speaker
I'm not sure. Probably Or so. He's in Brazil. Okay. Cause I know in Italians, E after C is CH in the Italian language. I'm not sure about Portuguese. Portuguese is one of those languages where I tried to learn a little bit of Portuguese because I worked with a lot of Brazilian people and there's like
00:41:30
Speaker
Sounds that like a person that speaks English. We just can't make those sounds It's so difficult It's funny how that happened Portugal being right next to like Spain and near Italy how they have their own Thing going on just yeah, and then how it made its way over to Brazil. Well, yeah, that's the that was the Portuguese colonization But
00:42:00
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Why don't
Challenges in Video Content Creation
00:42:01
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we? Because it's a lot of work. That's the biggest thing. It takes a lot of time. Jeff really has to accomplish all of this stuff without much help from me. He's doing all our Instagram stuff. He keeps up with the website. He does our accounting every Friday, which he stays home and does the accounting.
00:42:23
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That's the old account you're thinking of. Oh, I'm sorry. Got confused. So that's the thing. We're not content creators. We do this to earn a living, to feed our families and ourselves. And we just try and stay involved enough so that we could promote our business and be a part of the 21st century.
00:42:46
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Yeah, and, you know, we definitely we get enjoyment of in sharing all this stuff. And if we could just snap our fingers in these videos, then shit, I'd put them up every day. But I mean, I have footage now on my computer from the bed I built my son. And, you know, it's 75 clips that need to be stitched together and voiceover and editing and
00:43:13
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I'm not a video editor, I'm a woodworker and I gotta come, you know, come down here after work and sit down and I just, I barely have the, you know, the energy or desire to do it.
00:43:25
Speaker
I mean, what does John Peters tell us every time he comes over to film? And he's a professional at it. Yeah. Well, he likes the behind the camera stuff. Right. Whereas I'd rather be in front of the camera because I don't want to do all the editing. And it's hard. It's like writing for me. Writing is very difficult because I'm never satisfied and I always want to go back and tweak it. And I'm like.
00:43:45
Speaker
So editing is the same thing which the podcast is nice because I just clip the front clip the back and that's it So trying to stitch together video It's really hard Yeah, I mean the two we put out because you want it to be good. Yeah, two two like YouTube videos will call them one was I
00:44:08
Speaker
Making this cabinet like oh it was making shaker doors, so it's the doors on this podcast cabinet over here And the other one was making molding on the table saw
00:44:18
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It was like editing that was it sucked. It's just ruling. It's a it's a 20 minute. I don't even know how long the one that I think is only five minutes or something, but you have to go back and watch and rewatch this thing so many times. And it's like do I trim this to 17.2 seconds or 17.9 seconds and the transition. It's just it's not it's just not easy.
00:44:45
Speaker
Now, if we had someone that could do the filming and editing and stuff, I'd be all for it. But yeah. I mean, I don't know. I don't know how much that would help us as a business. If if we could find a way to incorporate it where we could, you know, pay for it and it pay for itself.
00:45:07
Speaker
but it would slow us down in the shop and we're already, you know, it's to the bone. That's the thing, when you're doing it yourself, you have to move the camera, set up the shot, your battery's dying, you gotta change the battery, you gotta plug this in, make sure you don't knock over the camera, make sure that the machine isn't moving the camera, it just, it slows you down. If we had someone there,
00:45:28
Speaker
You know, you'd have time where you had to stop and, you know, do a talking head to the camera, but it wouldn't be nearly the encumbrance that it is trying to. And then when you have two people working, well, it's like if I'm trying to do a shot where I need to talk, well, then you can't be doing anything. So we can't play music. I mean, it's really difficult. Because even the times that John Peters comes over to shoot,
00:45:56
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You're doing the on camera stuff. I can't do anything because you got to be out of the shot. You can't turn on any tools. You can't be making any noise. You just kind of got to watch and nod your head. Yeah. I mean, like when Danny came by and like that worked out. Yeah. Because we just worked and he, you know, took. But it's not like a compose. That wasn't a composed how to start to finish kind of thing.
00:46:24
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Yeah, he really knows what he's doing. Yeah. I mean, we tried to find someone. The thing is, if we can't make money from it, then we can't pay someone to do it. So the YouTube channel is monetized now. But a video has to have a lot of views to make any money.
00:46:42
Speaker
You have to get to a certain point before it starts making money. And if we if we're paying someone now, then the return isn't going to be enough to cover. You know what I mean? We've been monetized for a couple of weeks and it's like six dollars. So I'm and I'm not complaining. But you know, it's just.
00:47:05
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It's hard. It's we would love to do it, but it's not the work and financial commitment outweighs the rewards. Yeah. That's the real difference between a content creator and somebody who's an actual
00:47:22
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craftsperson who's doing it for a living like if we had an if we had nine to fives and we just did this on the weekend well then yeah it could take us a month to build a side table we could film every step of the way and then edit it and put it out and and then you know maybe it gets a million views and makes money but we have a week to build that same table or else we don't make money yeah wife wants to know why she can't get a facial this month
00:47:51
Speaker
Yeah. And we're running a business. So it's like, you know, there's, we do 40 hours in the shop and there's all this work outside of that. So I'm not coming in on Saturday to shoot a video about whatever. We need to regenerate and to, you know, re-energize. It's just part of it. I mean, not to mention like,
00:48:13
Speaker
We're going to do a video about building this 32 by 32 by 100 inch steel wine cabinet with there's so and the credenza in the wall and it's too much. There's too many stuff. It's not just a coffee table or it's it's too much. It'll be a 10 hour video.
00:48:32
Speaker
Or it's like we might as well just put a picture up because you can't give out the details without it being this long drawn out thing that isn't going to be entertaining. Or even if it is, then the workload to produce it is exponentially higher than if it's a two minute long video. Most people just want to see the results.
00:49:00
Speaker
I don't necessarily agree with that. I mean, I'm one to watch these long format things. But I think if somebody was going to watch the stuff that we do, they're looking for long format. They want detailed how tos and looking for to pick up tips and stuff. That's like me. Like I don't watch these accounts that are just like all fluff. And you know, I watch stuff that's I want to gain something from watching. This isn't just entertainment.
00:49:27
Speaker
I mean, Norm was the master at it in 20 minutes. He put something together and explained it for the most part. Yeah. I mean, they were usually fairly concise builds, but still. He made you feel like you could actually go do it if you're watching it. Well, that was it. So that's why. I think we gave a pretty simple answer, concise.
00:49:59
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Guy on here from Brian Great Point Woodworks on Instagram. Simple question, millions of best push stick videos on YouTube. Do you have a favorite and why? You know, I never watched one of those.
00:50:14
Speaker
The one, I like the shock that you made and I don't think I have one favorite because I like a different kind of push stick for a few different operations.
00:50:29
Speaker
Like there's ones where I want my hand to be, you know, farther away. And there's some that I want to make sure that I got a, you know, strong grip, like if I'm going to have to be pushing like a big, heavy thing through.
00:50:46
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So it all depends, but I like something with a good handle gives me the right angle where I can press into the fence and down at the same time. Um, so I, I don't, I don't have any, any real preference as long as it works.
00:51:05
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I'm a fan of, I mean, I just make my own, but sort of based on the John Heinz one that he's probably got a bunch of different ones that he's got videos on, but I don't know what you'll call it. It's like a L-shaped or like almost like a seven. You know, it's got a handle that kind of tilts forward like this and then a straight thing like that. If you're just listening, you have no idea what the hell I'm talking about. You know, it's
00:51:34
Speaker
It's got a handle, and then beneath it, it comes parallel to the table saw with like a little notch in the back, you know, to hook onto the thing. I like the notch in the back thing. Yeah, yeah. I'm not a big fan of the ones that, like, are notched at the end of a stick. I will say John brought over one of his push sticks when he did, uh, it was like episode... Do you believe that was like episode 24?
00:51:59
Speaker
Holy crap. Yeah. That was his tool of the week and he left it with us. And I've been using it a bunch. Yeah. So yeah, I like that John Hines one the most. And I've been using the John Peters one. That's good for for like thin stuff that. Yeah. Yeah. You know, like for store bought ones, I don't even know the name of it, but that big orange one. I hate store bought pushsticks.
00:52:28
Speaker
That one's good if you're doing stuff. That's like three quarters of an inch wide because that's about how wide that thing is I don't like the backstop on that thing. It just yeah, it doesn't seem very Yeah, it doesn't seem very like strong. Yeah
00:52:43
Speaker
That thing's good too if you happen to need to joint something that's kind of small because it's got like a V cut in the in the rubber but for the most part I like a wood push stick. Yeah you ever run into the blade with a plastic push stick? No I have it's fucking bad.
00:53:00
Speaker
Maybe that's why the Bosch table saw comes with this red Or maybe it's black now red plastic, you know the kind with the notch at the end Yeah, and I ran into a dado stack with that job and it exploded into a million pieces. Oh, yeah
00:53:19
Speaker
I like plywood, three-quarter inch plywood. Yeah, I like the half-inch plywood stuff too because it gets closer to the, you know, blade. Like a lot of times... I'll just cut right through it. Yeah, I'm reaching for a push stick when the blade's really close to the fence, too. Yeah, I mean, I don't... We have a saw stop, so I know you're not supposed to get too comfortable, but unless it's two inches or less, I'm not using a push stick really. Yeah.
00:53:49
Speaker
So I got to check out some of those videos. Don't waste your time. You know me. This is a great question. I wish I had time to ponder it. If a tool manufacturer asked you to help them create a new tool, what would you want it to do? That's from Matt, one of our patrons. He's hagoodhardwoods on Instagram.
00:54:18
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I'll go firstly, think about it.
00:54:20
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To me, one of the biggest things that's missing is a cabinet saw with a scoring blade. I know there are ones that exist, that have existed in the past, I guess, or so I've heard, but I don't know of one that exists now. Like, I don't understand why SawStop or Powermatic or somebody doesn't come up
00:54:48
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come out with a cabinet saw with a scoring blade because cross-cutting plywood on a regular table saw with a low tooth count, it's not good. So if we could keep a 42 combo blade,
00:55:05
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on the saw and cross cut plywood. I mean, it would be. Amazing. So for me, that's like the biggest thing that's missing. I mean, even with a high tooth count, you still could get. Tear out. Yeah, yeah. Well, it's just another little motor and a tiny little blade.
00:55:28
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I mean, there was somebody that allowed you to mark 16 and 16th inch lines. Bridge City. They're developing it. You know what? If I could get involved from the ground up to make my own tape measure, I would do that. There's always Alibaba.
00:55:52
Speaker
because I have, I mean, I don't know how many I gave away. I couldn't even count them. But if I pulled in the ones from the basement and in the house and the six that I have on my bench, I might have 20 tape measures still. Oh yeah.
00:56:08
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I think I have six just in this house. Yeah. I might have three in my truck. Yeah. There's something about it. I want it to feel perfect in my hands. I want it to go in and out of my apron perfectly. There's all these. I want the blade to look and feel a certain way.
00:56:28
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If I could do that, that would be awesome to have, like, you know how, like, guitars have, like, their signature model guitar or pedal or something? I want my signature model tape measure. I really like those stairs. I don't think I have any complaints about it. Yeah. For the shop. Yeah. It's good. There's something, you know, the thing with the stair. It's like it's got great ergonomics.
00:56:55
Speaker
I had now I and I have a couple of those starts and they're good. And I had like when I sold my triumph. I bought my wife wouldn't get on that triumph. She was afraid of it.
00:57:09
Speaker
This is when we were first married and she thought she was going. She wanted to go riding with me. So I went out and I bought a Beamer. I bought a GS 1150. Now this was like one of those sort of like a Baja, you know, it's it'll go on dirt roads and stuff like that. But it's pretty heavy because it's an 1150. But it's got heated grips. It's got, you know, hard bags. It's it's it's a BMW. So it's got it's like a Festool. Yeah.
00:57:39
Speaker
It was a beautiful machine, but there was nothing. There was no exhilaration. You know, talking about tape measures here. That's Starrett. You know, I hold it. It's just, it's no, there's no exhilaration. Now, you know, there's something wrong with me, right?
00:58:08
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I can't imagine what exhilaration from a tape measure might be. I want to feel I want to I don't want to just to you know show me the markings and the numbers I want to like have that feel like when I take the tool out it's like yeah you're gonna have to design your own because I don't think you're ever gonna find that.
00:58:31
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The steering, like the thumb ramp for the lock is really good. It's got a big flare in it, so it's really easy to lock down. Got just enough rubber to stick to shit and not move around. I don't know. I like the tape on the Tajima better than the Starrett. The white? I don't know. I don't like the white. I like the white. I did, but now I don't.
00:58:52
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I like the white. And I wore out every every Tajima that I had really fast. I have ones where the hook is like almost 90 degrees. That's no good. That's no good. And the for me, they have too much of a curve. It does. That's it. It does have a lot of curve. I want a pretty flat blade. Me too. That way I don't have to turn the tape to get a line. See, this is all going into my custom tape.
00:59:20
Speaker
You better get on fusion and start designing it. I need like an industrial engineer to walk me through it because I don't know what I don't know. You're the one looking for exhilaration. Yeah. Maybe Bryce is an engineer. He might be able to help me.
00:59:42
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We better move on. I bet. I bet Matt. Sorry. He asked that question. A tape measure and a scoring blade. I'm sure there's other things that we could think of. Yeah. I told you that people would be surprised at how we work. You know, the kind of tools we use. Here's one from Carlos V. Las Eruptor on Instagram.
01:00:10
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How do I prep fine furniture for storage? Are climate controlled facilities good?
01:00:17
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Yeah, well, I mean, I wouldn't put it in a non-climate controlled facility, that's for sure. Humidity and temperature, yeah, you definitely want that. And think about it, if you have that, all you really want to do is cover, you know, keep the dust and debris off. If it's a dry and humidity controlled and temperature controlled environment,
01:00:44
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Right? Yeah. Can you think of anything else you'd want? I mean, we're no experts on anything like this. And I don't know. We're just assuming that climate control facilities are actually legitimately, you know, we can't comment on the the efficacy or the, you know, how climate control these things really are. But if the climate is controlled and it stays at
01:01:09
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35 40 percent humidity and 70 degrees then yeah, if as long as it's covered up I mean even even if it's not covered up right gonna get dusty dust yeah, it's healing so wrap it in some moving blankets with some stretch wrap And that's it. I mean yeah, maybe you take drawers out and stuff in case there is some movement You don't get things that get pinned up inside and start to push things apart Yeah
01:01:35
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Yeah. But if you store something that's in the same conditions as, say, a garage, bad things can happen.
Storing Fine Furniture
01:01:45
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We know that. We've seen it.
01:01:50
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So that's, but as far as prepping, you know, you made a good point there as far as maybe taking some drawers out and things like that so that parts don't lock up within the piece as much as you can avoid them.
01:02:07
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Yeah, doors. If you have inset doors that have tight gaps, you don't want those to potentially expand. Because you need to take into account the environment that it's coming from. If it's coming from an overly dry environment and going into a climate controlled where you might see a 10% increase in relative humidity, then you could potentially have problems.
01:02:33
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It's like fur storage in a way. There are places that, you know, do you know about that stuff? What is it? Like if you have a fur, like a fur coat. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. You put those carpet, like if you have a fine rug, people roll them up. We used to do it in Brooklyn. We'd roll it up for the summer months and you put it in storage and they keep it climate controlled. Yeah, my mom, I think she still has a fur coat. And you used to bring it to this, we used to drive to Trenton in this place. Yeah, fur storage.
01:03:03
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What the hell is that place called I forget man same kind of thing yeah, I totally forgot about that That beer is gone. Yeah, it was good. We're not even out of the first page. Oh, this is good. We're only an hour in
01:03:21
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I'm hypercritical, Copeland Woodwork says on Instagram. He's hypercritical of everything he makes. Are you the same and will it ever end? It's really taking a toll. Well, I'd say just cozy up to that feeling and get used to it because as far as I can see, it doesn't end. No. I mean, I've been doing this for some version of this for 10 years, so no signs of stopping here.
01:03:51
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No, no. I'll give you some semi from secondhand professional advice. Secondhand because it's from my professional therapist. I've seen like regular therapists and like the real psychiatrists and all that stuff and they always say that
01:04:13
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you probably couldn't do the type of work you do if you didn't have some of that running through you. And we have a question that's kind of related to that later. Oh okay. So that's good. Maybe not. You just have to learn to manage it and like
01:04:30
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Jeff says get comfortable with it and try and get accustomed to it that it's not making you crazy and just understand it's part of this process.
01:04:48
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if you take it in the right way it's actually beneficial because you know rather than beating yourself up and saying oh man I could have done better and you know this piece could have been like this or that you just use it for the next one and it's a learning experience.
01:05:04
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Yeah, you have to learn how to frame these things. And what helps for us is that because we're not doing this for ourselves, where we have this infinite amount of time, we do have to release these projects out into the wild, so to speak.
01:05:19
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I mean, the the the best people I've ever worked with were the ones who were the not satisfied with the thing when it was done. Right. I mean, when you people who like sense a man, they're like, it's perfect. It's great. Yeah, usually it's they're not striving to get better. It's just, you know, they're.
01:05:40
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just going through the motions. Again, go back to music. The analogy is like once you mix a record, you know, you like it at that time and you're satisfied with it. But as the time goes on, you're never happy with it. You listen to it and you go, oh, man, I can't believe we did that. Yeah, this is too loud. Why did we put that part in there? This is how I can't hear the cowbell. More cowbell.
01:06:08
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So consider yourself fortunate. Yeah And be easy on yourself. Yeah, go easy on yourself there All right. Oh Another good question. Yeah, it's from Joffit one of our patrons Joffit Hernandez on Instagram Mercedes sprinter versus Ford Transit. Yes, please. Yeah
01:06:34
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either one if cost was no object of course I would choose the Mercedes yeah those four-wheel-drive Mercedes yeah they look I mean I can't speak to all the specifics of these vehicles but they'd look nice
01:06:51
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Yeah, the other thing was owning a car like that or in this case a van They cost a bit to keep up to you know, all the things like oil changes and and tune-ups those things like they the saying in the motorcycle game was They you know, they give you the bikes
01:07:11
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As cheap as they can because they get you coming in the back door. It's like a loss leader. Yeah, that's like PlayStation I forget which one but they were might have been the PlayStation 3 when they put a blu-ray in it they were actually selling them at a loss and All the games and everything is where they made their money because it had a blu-ray player in it must have been
01:07:34
Speaker
It's been a PlayStation 2. I don't know. I never played really played that. But yeah, they were selling them at a slight loss and they were making it all up on the controllers and all that stuff. No dopes. Yeah. But we've been talking about it because, you know, we could really use a nice van. I mean, who couldn't? Yeah. And once I saw my big truck last year,
01:08:01
Speaker
I've been driving around my hand-me-down Passat, because I don't really drive anywhere. I go to rehearsal like once a week. I probably put about 100 miles a month on the car, maybe.
01:08:19
Speaker
I've had my truck since October and I just cracked 4,000 miles. Yeah. Yeah. So I've been actually looking at one of those minivan vans, not like a minivan like for families, but the, um, what do they call them? Like a city master or something like that? Transit connect, the pro master city. Yeah. Mercedes, Metris.
01:08:43
Speaker
Yeah, I'm going to take a hard look at one of those. If it can sort of not drive around like a box truck, because that's the thing that's a big turn off. You don't want to drive to band practice in a box truck. No, or anywhere else, really. You want to be somewhat comfortable. To the corner store. That's what's beautiful about your truck. It drives so nice. Yeah.
01:09:08
Speaker
But I would take either of those, I mean, in a heartbeat, but I'd go with the Mercedes for sure. Yeah, I mean, I can't argue with that. I mean, I even like crunch the numbers.
01:09:21
Speaker
We put 20 grand down on a used van. We still don't come out on top. Right, we just ran it, you know. It's still 400, 500 bucks a month plus insurance and we don't make that many deliveries. Our material comes to us, so we're not picking up material. Most of the stuff we build is pretty like a long-term build.
01:09:45
Speaker
So we're only delivering every couple months. Everything else is, if it's quick, it's small enough to fit my truck. So it's like, it just doesn't really, just doesn't really make sense.
01:09:57
Speaker
We'd get a trailer, but none of us know how to back one up. Yeah, and I really am not interested in really learning. Plus, you know, you go somewhere, like, let's say we went to the Newark job. You're going to park a freaking trailer up there. Oh my God, I know. Even going up to Rutherford. Yeah. Because you get, you go down the block one way, you got to come back around the other way. Everything's a big blue dell.
01:10:26
Speaker
The vans really would be nice. So, yeah, keep that patron money coming. Reminds me when we were in Vegas, so we walked up to like the Ford, you know, they had all the Ford trucks and stuff. He goes, oh, how big's your fleet? Zero. Zero, yeah.
01:10:49
Speaker
No, no, we really appreciate the question and your support. And we'll we'll keep you informed. We'll see what happens here. Do you have to love what you do to be good at it? That's from Manny. Too many mistakes. I heard of that guy. Yeah, I think he does some welding. One of our patrons, one of our good close friends. Yeah.
01:11:17
Speaker
I don't think everybody's going to like this answer. I think, unfortunately, you don't. Some people can separate what's called a passion and a job and be proficient at the job but not have any passion.
01:11:38
Speaker
Yeah, I mean the things that are required to do our job well are, you know, accuracy and eye for detail. I don't think unless you get into the artistic part of it, like with design, you might have to have, you know, to be more creative, you might have to have more of a love.
01:12:05
Speaker
Yeah. I wouldn't say it's a requirement. I think if the question was, will loving your job make you better at it, I would say yes. But I don't think you need to love your job to be good at it. Right. If you're ordinarily, if you don't like your job and you're operating at a 7 and you love your job, you might be operating at a 9 or a 10.
01:12:34
Speaker
And at 7, you might be good. But if you love it, you're going to be better. Yeah, I agree. 100%. And the thing is, you have this little internal voice about quality and
01:12:51
Speaker
your character and all these other things. And this comes into play. We know that there's people that work at places that they don't enjoy going to. Yeah. But their inner voice isn't going to let them do a half ass job when they know they could do something better. Yeah. It's just it's not their makeup. So I think I think you hit it on the head.
01:13:20
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Yes, a short answer, no. This is interesting. Yeah, I was just about to get my answer to the question. This is from Vince again, one of our patrons, Rob Vince P on Instagram, installing sauce hinges with the Domino. Have you heard about this technique? No, I have not. Me neither. I don't know what kind of big ass Domino
01:13:47
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Yeah, I mean there's one of the like the what what number is it at the 800 is it the 208 is what we typically use for three quarter for like three quarter or one inch material is a 200 208 or a 200 right but that big Domino the Yeah, seven was a 700. Yeah, I couldn't remember what number it was. I think it goes up to
01:14:13
Speaker
Let's see, I want to say 12 millimeter, but it's got to be bigger than that because that's only one size up from the... I mean, if there were certain hinges, sauce hinges that fit with certain domino cutters, that would be amazing. Yeah. It would sure make things fast. Those sauce templates are kind of hit and miss. We've talked about that in the past. Yeah, they're...
01:14:41
Speaker
They're a little sloppy for my preferences. I think that they do that on purpose to mitigate any sort of alignment issues. Yeah. Because then they'll have people calling them like, what the hell? Does it fit? Yeah, the hinges don't line up. I can't get them in. Need a little bit of what we used to hear called the float factor.
01:15:13
Speaker
Yeah, so it only goes to 14 millimeter, which is... And then we're talking width there. Yeah, nine sixteenths. Yeah. So I don't know. I guess there is a sausage that's only nine sixteenths wide, but the ones we use are the smallest one we use is wider than that. Right. Let's say probably about three quarters of an inch wide. If it was going in a three quarter inch thick door, then nine sixteenths would probably be appropriate. Yeah.
01:15:41
Speaker
It might be somebody out there shooting some YouTube videos of that. You see what we could be doing? But we don't have one of those big cutters. No. That thing will cut two and three quarter inches deep. Wow. You could do a hundred and forty four millimeter.
01:16:00
Speaker
Yeah, we just have the 14 by 140, 14 by 140. We just have the little 500. Yeah. Vince has the big one. Wow. I'm feeling a little bit less than right. Yeah. He said we couldn't borrow it. Oh, all right. It's a long ride to Brooklyn.
01:16:17
Speaker
We got to go on a field trip to Brooklyn. I got to take you to Spimoni Gardens. This is going to be one of your off-the-diet days because we're going to have to go to Spimoni Gardens and then we're going to go to Rollin' Roaster. What? Rollin' Roaster. Rollin' Roaster. Is that ice cream? No, it's roast beef. That's after the pizza?
01:16:42
Speaker
Well, you know, that'll be for dinner. We'll go, like, lunch at Spimoni Gardens. Did you get Spimoni at Spimoni Gardens? Yeah, we're gonna have, like, a nice Sicilian slice. Yeah, a corner, obviously. Yeah, and then we'll get some Spimoni. Then we'll go through the old neighborhood. I do like Spimoni. And Sicilian pizza. Yeah. And then on the way out, because the rolling roaster is right off the Bell Parkway. Well, actually, Spimoni Gardens is not too far from the Bell Parkway, either.
01:17:11
Speaker
Well, and have you been to Nathan's and Coney Island? No. Never been in Coney Island. I've never been to Brooklyn. Oh, man. It's a lot to see. I've been to like the Bronx Zoo. I've been to South Street Seaport. I haven't been in New York a whole lot. Yeah. So rolling roasts, a nice roast beef sandwich with a dip, the wine and cheese fries. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
01:17:40
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Really good, really good. That does sound good. I know, I'm getting hungry just thinking about it. Yeah, I haven't eaten today. I know, you're crazy. This is what it is. All right, so Rob, we haven't heard of that. Maybe you can direct us. Yeah.
01:17:58
Speaker
Yeah, I'd be interested to see. We've talked about this briefly. What are your thoughts on educating young people to get into woodworking? That's from Cory, CT Woodwork on Instagram. Because he's involved with something, I think, or he does. Yeah, he teaches woodworking. Yeah.
01:18:18
Speaker
this is I had this conversation with a couple guys I think what really needs to happen is there needs to be some sort of government program to make this happen because the problem is
01:18:31
Speaker
No one can afford to bring in a worker with no skill. We can't afford to bring in a worker that has skill. That's how much they slow us down. So what needs to happen is the government is subsidizing all kinds of BS that doesn't need to be subsidized.
01:18:50
Speaker
So they need to take some money and like if we could bring someone in and pay the minimum wage and the government could subsidize that and pay them a living wage and all we're paying is let's say let's say we pay them $8 an hour and they're paying them $12 an hour on top of that or $20 whatever. And they're taking care of their taxes because that'll kill you too. Right yeah there would be there would have to be some sort of tax incentive to us too where we don't have to pay their workers comp and all the social security.
01:19:21
Speaker
Then it would give us incentive to teach someone right how to do these things We need to bring someone in that can make the money that we're paying them and more otherwise Why the hell would you bring someone in right? That's the biggest struggle for everyone I talked to all these guys and all they do is complain about the people that work for him because nobody
01:19:43
Speaker
Nobody is worth what they're getting paid for most of the time And that's why we don't have anybody the employees don't have the drive because you can't pay them enough like you know people don't want to work hard and learn on the after work and and Strive to be better if they're not making a living wage or a wage that they're they're satisfied with it's You know
01:20:10
Speaker
Bootstrapping doesn't always work. And the time frame, the young people we've encountered think after a couple of weeks they're going to be doing things that we do. When you tell them it's years and the process never ends actually.
01:20:26
Speaker
Yeah, like you can't just sweep the floor and then expect to just the next day, you know how to use the table saw. No. Well, you need to sweep the floor today. And when you get done with work, you go home and you're watching a video about how to use the table saw or reading a book and this and that. There's no incentive for people to do that if they don't see a career that can develop from it. So it's multifaceted. It comes from
01:20:49
Speaker
you know, us needing to be able to make money and see value in someone and they also need to see value in the job. So if you're making, you know, $7.25 an hour sweeping the floor, you don't give a shit about learning how to use a table saw because you can just go get a job at Chipotle, make it more money.
Impact of DIY TV Shows on Trades
01:21:07
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Right. The two best helpers I ever had
01:21:13
Speaker
They both went off into real careers outside of the shop. They they loved working in the shop. Christopher always says, if I won the lottery, I just come back and work in your shop for free. I hope he wins.
01:21:29
Speaker
But there's no money, you know, and they see how hard it is to, you know, earn a living. And these were kids that had, you know, strong educations and other career drives. So I haven't run across a kid that came up to me and said, I really want to do this and I'm willing to work for five years to learn this.
01:21:56
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, it's a lot to expect from someone. Of course. So it's, you know, there needs to be some sort of out. We've been the industry has been hit so hard by, you know, offshore manufacturing and and the dumbing down of the trades and just the public perception that we need help to make this happen. It's not going to happen on its own.
01:22:19
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, when I worked by myself and I was trying to figure out how I could get help in the shop, I mean, I tried every avenue. I went to schools, I went all over, and the closest thing I could come up with was creating a contract that was, let's say, six years long, where
01:22:43
Speaker
By the end of the six years, I was making the greater investment in the beginning in time and money. But then that person who had been learning, they were going to be paying it back in years four, five and six because they would be a big help in the shop and they weren't going to be paid like
01:23:04
Speaker
they could get, they'd have to pay back those first years. Yeah, it's like going to like a school, basically. I mean, that's when an apprenticeship, it's an apprenticeship. You can't, I mean, you're gonna find a stranger to sign up for that? No.
01:23:22
Speaker
I couldn't even interest any of my relatives. Can't even find a stranger to come sweep the floor. So everybody's also been influenced by the television and the videos, the DIY TV that makes it look like you can just, you know, we, we stopped into this house and these homeowners don't know which end of the hammer to hold. And in 25 minutes, we're going to remodel their whole house. Yeah. We have five days to gut the kitchen and
01:23:52
Speaker
And here we gave them safety glasses and a sledgehammer. Let's demo this place. And a hard hat. Yeah. Oh, okay. Now we're going to build a coffee table.
01:24:03
Speaker
I have this old old wood paneling. It's so there's there's not enough realism injected into this conversation as far as the expectations of the novice go. But we love the idea of education. We love the idea of getting more people involved in the trades. But
01:24:28
Speaker
I'll go off on a slight tangent here. The thing that has sort of been annoying me lately is this, um, and I don't want to, uh, you know, I usually alienate and people's your job here. Is it? I don't know. Like the home maker movement where making cutting boards and, uh, charcuterie boards and all this stuff where
01:24:52
Speaker
You're spending hours and hours making things and then kind of giving them away or selling them at giveaway prices. To me, that hurts the trades. That hurts the real trade because I don't find people really developing their skills beyond that one introductory thing. And we can't make, we have all the tools in the world and we can't make a cutting board.
01:25:19
Speaker
and sell it for a profit at $20. No, not even a $200. No, so that's setting this unrealistic price floor, which to me is it's bad just like the TV shows are bad for the trades. Let's say that that probably has less of an impact.
01:25:38
Speaker
because, you know, we don't really want to make a living doing that. No, it's not as fulfilling. And I mean, you want to make just butcher blocks for 50 years. It doesn't sound like a very fulfilling life. I forget where the hell I was going with that. But how it affects the trades and things like that. Yeah. People's perception of what's possible. Yeah. Yeah.
01:26:05
Speaker
but try and make a piece of furniture and it's not gonna work out the same. It's sort of this more introductory type of stuff that typically aren't, it's more of like a hobbyist type thing and there's not so many businesses trying to, they're competing against Boos, they're not competing against Green Street Joinery or Justin De Palma or Pete Rustarholtz.
01:26:34
Speaker
No, I understand they're not direct competition. It's more about, to me, the perception, the public perception. These are people that are spending more time on social media. Oh, yeah. No, no, I'm agreeing. I'm agreeing. But I think, yeah, it's not so much the physical
01:26:51
Speaker
product it's the perception right which ties into the whole like TV and it's just this whole people they think because you can make a cutting board and sell for $20 that it that you can make a piece of furniture for $500 and so you know.
01:27:07
Speaker
Like, what did the guy come to come? We had this tree leaning over the shot, this dead choke cherry. We finally got a tree trimmer to come and, you know, an arborist to come and take it down.
01:27:24
Speaker
the lead guy walks into the shop. We got a eight foot tall arm was solid cherry. There's a solid Dutch door. What does he say? I know somebody who does this. He makes cornhole boards. He makes plywood cornhole boards. This to me is part of the, the misperception. That's just, um, you know, spread
01:27:51
Speaker
Yeah, like the fact that he he couldn't distinguish those right things and like it'd be like if you went to Restaurant Nicholas and said oh, yeah, my buddy is a cook. He works at McDonald's exactly where it works at Applebee's he runs the fryer later Yeah, it's just and it's that perception that is I feel like we're you know
01:28:16
Speaker
you know, painted with this broad brush and people don't understand. And so when a kid comes in and he wants to learn the trade, he doesn't know that it's, you know, this is 5, 10, 15, 20 years in the making.
01:28:34
Speaker
Yeah, they don't realize that, you know, it takes real skill and dedication to become. They think it's just like, oh, yeah, I'm just fucking I'm going to mix up this epoxy. It's going to slap it together. No, it takes real learning and dedication to craft to to be good at what you do. All right. I think I feel better getting that off my chest.
01:28:58
Speaker
On to page two. Another great question. You can't tell. A lot of times I read these questions for the first time as just looking at the page.
01:29:13
Speaker
What's the best way to waste 20 minutes for me dropping something you need and then looking for it?
Time Management and Breaks in the Shop
01:29:20
Speaker
That's from my buddy Justin, Justin De Palma on Instagram. Oh man, we got a bunch of them. Yeah, I do that constantly where
01:29:30
Speaker
It's, it's never the same thing. It's never just my tape or the, I put something down and I just can't find it. It's the same thing. I just can't find it. And then it'll be right in front of my face. Yeah. Jeff got us a little gift for the shop and we've been wasting some, not so much lately because we've been too busy, but we, we could easily waste 20 minutes. Oh, with the airsoft guns. Yeah. Yeah. We may as well tell you what the target is.
01:29:58
Speaker
We made us a little target of a photograph of somebody and then taped it up to the front of an open box so it catches all the little pellets behind there. It's just a certain amount of joy in shooting these little guns. So we have that. We haven't played darts in a long time. No. We should probably just sell that dartboard.
01:30:24
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Those are actually where some coin. Yeah. Yeah. We'll we'll scroll through Instagram and then read it and watch a YouTube video. You know, you know, it's not a waste, but I love watching like one of those Leonid and friends. Yeah. Rick Beato. Rick Beato. Yeah. We caught an hour long snarky puppy concert. That was awesome. We don't feel bad about, you know, when we have downtime about not working.
01:30:54
Speaker
Yeah, because we break our ass when we do. It's a recharge for the moments when we need it. Yeah, we're not really shirking our responsibilities. No, we have a lot of good mental makeup when it comes to that stuff. Yeah, just season the moment.
01:31:15
Speaker
Yeah. All right. What size should legs and rails be for furniture pieces?
Furniture Design and Proportions
01:31:22
Speaker
You know, last week I was just on a tear. I was reading stuff. Boom, boom, boom. I don't know what happened to me. I'm back to my old self. What size should legs and rails be for furniture pieces? Specifically, I'm making a media credenza about 1.3 meters long by 60 centimeters high by 50 centimeters deep.
01:31:44
Speaker
Any rules of thumb you use for sizing pieces? That's Miles, one of our patrons, and he's Eat, Drink, Wine Guy on Instagram.
01:31:53
Speaker
I'm going to hand this over to you, and you can do the metric conversions. Because I laughed when Miles sent it over. I said, I'm going to have to do metric conversions. He said he did it on purpose. Yeah, I know. I wish I threatened to go metric one day. Yeah, it didn't last long. No, it didn't. So 1.3 meters, we're talking about what, four feet, roughly 60 centimeters high. That's what about
01:32:20
Speaker
Um, 25 inches and about 18 inches deep. Yeah. 20, 20 inches. Yeah.
01:32:31
Speaker
So the, you know, our fallback, um, for design is always to start with like the golden ratio that you can't really go wrong. If that's where you start and then take a look at, right? Right. You know, um, I'm assuming that you're drawing this somewhere, some way, whether it's
01:32:51
Speaker
I think Miles has been using Sketchup. Maybe, forget, he just told me he picked either Sketchup Backup or Fusion Backup. Yeah. Well, whichever you're using, start there. And if it's a media credenza, you're going to have to work with some of those fixed measurements of things that you got to put in there, like whether it's record albums or AV equipment or what have you. And I always like to start with that and then work outward.
01:33:21
Speaker
until I can get the right balance. There's going to be room dimensions. So it's not as simple as it all sounds to get something that's really pleasing to the eye. So he's asking specifically about legs and rails. So you're saying it's all based on the sum of the parts. You can't just
01:33:41
Speaker
Right. That's what that's what I would say. I would I would take a look at the box with the stuff in it and legs height is going to change everything. And there's no real fixed rule on that. Like we made that really low slung cabinet on a short base for Easton. And that looked cool. Yeah. Maybe you want something that's going to have tall slender legs and sit on like more of a box frame that way.
01:34:12
Speaker
and the same thing with the width, but yeah, start with your cabinet and then work different, especially when you're drawing on the computer, you could work two or three different styles of legs and compare them right next to one another.
01:34:28
Speaker
Yeah, and it depends on the style you're going for, too. Exactly. You don't want to build a four foot wide credenza that's like a contemporary or a mid-century style and you have four by four legs. So a lot, you know, there's no hard and fast rule for typically chunky is not where you want to go, though. No. I could see maybe like a craftsman style, you know, with big fat tapered legs and, you know, something in that width. But
01:34:57
Speaker
Yeah. And if you read any of the stuff that goes along with like Stickley and a lot of times he'll talk about why you put like a gentle taper on the side of the bookcases and things like that because it does lighten it up. Tapers are great for that. Even if it's imperceptible, the taper is imperceptible and give the piece a look.
01:35:21
Speaker
Yeah, definitely. Yeah, we put like little tapers on stuff and you couldn't really tell that it was tapered, but... No, but it lightens it up. Right. You would be able to tell if it wasn't tapered. Exactly. It would just look clumsy. Yeah, because sometimes it has the opposite effect. If it's not tapered, it actually looks like it gets fatter almost. Yeah. And the taper serves to keep it looking equal. Right. Yeah. The old Parthenon trick. Yeah.
01:35:50
Speaker
The old Parthenon trick. Yeah, just like that
01:35:56
Speaker
So yeah, 1 to 1.618 is kind of a good ratio for basic rectangular sizes. Yeah. And you got the silver and bronze ratios also. I forget what those are, but they're relatively close. And you can use that, you work that in with the negative space beneath the piece as well for leg height. So that's how you can work that ratio in.
01:36:25
Speaker
Got one here from Robert, Bliss Made Furniture. Really, really skilled furniture maker. We've had this one before, but we'll humor you since your first question. I know you just started listening. Pins first or tails first?
01:36:42
Speaker
Yeah, we're dovetail. Yeah. Well, we use a Keller jig. Yeah. So it almost doesn't matter. Robert's a hand cut dovetail. Yeah, of course. Of course. He's doing a lot of reproductions and, you know, period inspired pieces. Yeah. I think I'm I think I'm a tails first guy.
01:37:07
Speaker
I've only cut so many dovetails. Well, me too. I mean, in much longer. I've always done tails first, but I've heard great arguments for pins first. So it's one of those things where I can't say I have enough bench time to have a qualified opinion.
01:37:25
Speaker
That's me, too. I only say it because that's what I do. I don't have the experience to back up why I do it that way. Except I felt like it was easier to trace. Yeah, like marking through the tails. Yeah, I think that was why I chose it that way. I probably tried it once or twice the other way. I can't even remember. I've never tried pins first.
01:37:55
Speaker
But yeah, that's I mean, I've seen people do that, you know, cut hand, cut dovetails and drawers that it's amazing how fast and good people can do it. Yeah. Guys like Frank Klaus. And I'm sure there's good people who are better, but watching videos of him cut dovetails by hand, it's insanely fast. Yeah. And, you know, they're they're not perfect. Right. But they're good. Yeah. They're really good. Yeah. I mean, the ones cut with the router aren't perfect.
01:38:24
Speaker
No. They're close. But it takes time to set it up right and figure out everything. But yeah, we like that Keller jig because it has a nice full length.
01:38:38
Speaker
Tail on it. So what do you guys do with your offcuts and sawdust?
Managing Woodworking Waste
01:38:45
Speaker
I only use the offcuts to heat my shop in the wintertime, as well as firewood, and sometimes burn the sawdust. But in the summertime, I just give it all away. I was considering to invest in a pellet mill to make wood pellets, but unsure of that idea. That's from Cory, CT Woodwork on Instagram.
01:39:06
Speaker
Well, we do a little burn, not in the shop, but Rob's got a fireplace. I got a fire pit. Rob's got a fire pit, so we burn a little bit of wood for ourselves. Not a whole lot. I brought some home two months ago. I still got a bunch of it. We give it away for firewood or for people to use.
01:39:28
Speaker
The sawdust we just dump in the back, you know in the back 40 we call it and it just sort of you know Slowly withers away. Yeah, it takes a couple years to kind of sink into the ground. Yeah
01:39:41
Speaker
So nothing, nothing exciting. We wish we had, you know, better ways to get rid of it sometimes. Yeah. You know, it's it's one of those things you got to get the return on investment. So could we give it to like some local like horse farm? I know people use but but they can't have walnut. Yeah. And we work with walnut and you don't want to give them stuff from the table saw. That's like the plywood mixed in there.
01:40:08
Speaker
And the guys we know that don't have like a land around their shop like we do they throw it in the dumpster and pay to get a hold away.
01:40:20
Speaker
So, I mean, the cutoffs are great for burning. We can't even burn enough. We give away, we keep it in like these 50-gallon Rubbermaid Garbage Pills. And we give it sometimes three, four, five away at a time.
01:40:41
Speaker
Yeah, I mean people come and they can't even take all of what we do. Yeah, we got a guy drives from Staten Island. Yeah, which is probably about 45 55 minutes to get here and he'll come any time we call him. Yeah, it's probably wonder where the hell we've been. Yeah, he says, you know, make sure you call me next time you have a fail. We can call him. We got some.
01:41:04
Speaker
Yeah, I'm sure he burned some of it and he probably uses some of it for arts and crafts and things. That's another thing in the past. I donated it to like, not old age, like senior places where they do things like turn pans and things like that. That's cool.
01:41:26
Speaker
Yeah, which is nice, but the hard part is when it becomes another job. I don't want to go over there and drop it off. Right, exactly. We don't need to just get it out of the shop. Right. I want somebody to come and take it and like sweep when you're done.
01:41:47
Speaker
Not helping you carry it to the car Because like even this guy had somebody wanted to come get it and they couldn't get down the driveway Yeah, yeah, yeah So what's nice about bill when he comes to get it?
01:42:02
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Now we learn we just have to put it down at the edge of the driveway. That way he can come and get it. We don't have to stop what we're doing to chat with him or anything like that. And it's great for both of us. He loads it up and doesn't feel like he has to, you know, spend time with us and we don't have to stop our workflow. So that's that's a good good pairing there. All right. This is near in the end here. Yeah.
01:42:27
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Got another one here from Carlos V loss a raptor on Instagram What milling and acclimation process do you recommend when building in the garage?
Building in Unconditioned Spaces
01:42:37
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Hmm sort of a similar question one. We've had in the past couple weeks
01:42:42
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Yeah, that's... I mean, I'm guessing he means like a garage with no heat and all that other stuff. There's not much you can do. I mean... Just take it slow. That's all I would say. Yeah. Because as soon as you go into a, you know, a controlled environment, that's when the changes are gonna, you know, any changes that will occur will occur then.
01:43:06
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Yeah, yeah, there's only so much prevention you can really do. You know, you could, going slow is going to help you keep your wood flat for the time being while you're working with it, but it's definitely going to move once you get it into whatever space it's going to be in. If you're working with hardwoods, you know, traditionally that's how all these things were built. I would stick to the tried and true methods of building that
01:43:33
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Pocket screws. Not pocket screws. Look back to what people were doing in the 1800s and the early 1900s. Ship lapped backs, solid ship lapped backs, frame and panel panels and doors, things that allow for movement without the piece imploding.
01:43:54
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There's furniture that's built hundreds of years ago that's still serviceable today because it was done in that fashion and they didn't have air conditioning. The problem we'll run into now is that we do have air conditioning and these things went into a house that was equally unconditioned for the most part.
01:44:15
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you know, antiques survive and they're basically in the conditioned space. So they've learned to acclimate. Yep. So Jeff's recommendation is the best one, I think, go slow. And I think mine comes up a good second, you know, stick to some tried and true methods of building and, and acclimation and all those other things that go into making a piece of furniture in an unconditioned
Teaser for Patreon Discussion
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space. Yep.
01:44:46
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We got our question of the week here. Yeah, it's a biggie. Yeah, so we're gonna cover this on the patreon if you want to Hear us answer this question. You got to join the patreon. So sorry about that this comes from Danny Danny Snyder and His he's one of our patrons his Instagram is Danny Snyder guitarista on Instagram He plays guitar and organ in the band combo Tezeta
01:45:12
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Oh, that's the guy. Yeah, we have his record. Yeah, I swear you guys probably ran into one another back in the day because he's out in San Francisco. Yeah
01:45:22
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Here's Danny's question. Dear Jeff, we'll read it here, we're not gonna answer it until the Patreon. Dear Jeff and Rob, here in California, we have lots of hundred year old bungalows, I love them, with single pane double hung windows, many of which are rotting. Occasionally I get asked to replace them and my usual response has been to go to the salvage yard or refer them to an outfit that specializes in replacement sashes. But as my woodworking skills and tools have advanced, I decide to take on the challenge of making them for a few of my best customers.
01:45:50
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Because I don't have a decent table saw, only a job site portable one, I came up with an alternative method to cutting the joinery. Instead of the traditional mortise and tenon, I just cut the profile on the long edges and the cope on the rail ends and used dominoes in conjunction with epoxy to join the pieces. It's not as robust as a tenon, sorry, it's not as robust a tenon as a traditional one, but I'm hoping the epoxy applied to the entire joint as well as to the dominoes themselves will compensate.
01:46:20
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What I want to know is if you think this would qualify as good enough construction to put my reputation behind. Behind it. Behind it. To put my reputation behind it. That's good. Now this will give us some time to wrap our heads around this. Yeah.
01:46:37
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So the question of the week is one that we want to elaborate on. So we'll give it a full 20, 30 minutes on the Patreon. Yeah. Well, unless we digress. Well, that's bound to happen, too.
Review of Mind Haze IPA and Closing Remarks
01:46:54
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What'd you think of the beer, the Mind Haze IPA? I liked it because I mean, I finished it about two thirds of the way down the first page. Yeah, it was good. It could have been a little more bitter, I think, for an IPA. Okay. Pretty low on the bitterness scale for an IPA, I'd say, especially for a West Coast company like Firestone. But yeah, I liked it. Easy drinking. Definitely didn't taste like 6.2% or whatever the hell it is.
01:47:21
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I'm going to say I don't really know the characteristics that an IPA should have and that sort of thing. That bitter, piney, tropical, fruity kind of bitterness.
01:47:37
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I don't want to say it in a bad way. The blandest of the, the fruit infused IPAs that we have. Like it didn't, it didn't jump out, but that wasn't such a bad thing, especially after last week where we had that really complex coffee, vanilla. I kind of felt queasy for like the rest of the night. Yeah.
01:48:03
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So this was a nice change of pace where they didn't go overboard and it was more subtle. That's the word I should have used. It's much more subtle and it's, you know, off the table flavorings. Yeah. But I liked it. No, yeah, definitely good. Yeah. Good. There's more up there. Yeah.
01:48:24
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All right, so we'll thank everybody for listening and supporting us. See you next week for episode 42.
01:48:51
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