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164: Gainesville Murders /"Screams" Conclusion
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This week we conclude the Gainesville Student Murders, sometimes known as the Gainesville Ripper Murders.
They do make for a scary movie, targeting a young, defenseless, student population. From a triple-murder to the killing of the Gainesvillle victims, this killer was vicious, yet cautiaus. Who's lying?
But however terrifying, there were some details that the movies got wrong. We can be stranger than we think, so stay strong!
Love y'all and Keep It Cryptic!
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Transcript
Introduction to Hosts and Podcasts
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Speaker
Hello, I'm Kona Gallagher. And I'm Ethan Flick. We're the husband and wife team behind the True Crime podcast, and then they were gone. We're a weekly show that covers unsolved missing persons cases. These are cases that you, the listener, can have an impact on. Some of the people you may have heard of, like Kristen Smart or Braceless Pisa, but we also bring you missing people of color and other cases that haven't gotten the mainstream attention that they deserve. You can find us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Good Pods, or your favorite podcast app.
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Speaker
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Content Planning for Halloween and Patreon
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Speaker
Welcome back to Castles and Cryptids, where the castles are haunted and the cryptids are cryptic as fuck the fuck. And I'm your host, Alana. I'm Kelton. And we are here for a much awaited part two today. ah Yeah. As texted to me by my brother, like, you can't leave us on a cliffhanger, he said. Oh, yeah, it was a cliffhanger.
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it was you said it was a real bad cliffhanger you know that we hadn't done one quite like this before and I was like oh no I'm sorry I didn't mean to for sure right I will yeah I can give a recap ah because this has been like yeah a week since we recorded and it's been a week for the listeners yeah actually and then I think we recorded our bonus episode surprise that's coming out in between what are we even doing right now uh we're as well into spooky season you will see after this one comes out um just thinking putting it out that next week which is the halloween week uh we have a special guest episode coming out so yeah watch out for that and start with part two
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Oh, my God. in No, it's exciting. I'm excited. Yes. And it worked out well, because I feel like we still got we're pumping the content out. Like we still got this one coming out. This is going to be, I'm sure, ah but ah you know, full length episode and then a bonus one. And then we're going to be doing it our next regular episode. But then also in the background, we've been watching horror movies to gear up for a big Patreon horror discussion fest.
Horror Movie and TV Show Recommendations
00:02:55
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yeah There's a shit ton out right now. like I would just like to say. um It's a lot. There always is. Yes. Oh, there's one that I haven't watched yet that if you do get to come over, it stars Sebastian Stan. It's called Fresh.
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um Oh yeah it was I haven't watched it yet it's on what Disney or Prime it's on my list I was I don't know Pat was like I found it and I was like good enough but we haven't watched it yet and I just it was recommended to me by the ah keep it weird podcast girls they have been doing like a little ah video segment of the day, every day of the month. I think they've been talking about a different horror movie, but I haven't been on social media a lot. So I don't remember this one, but they said it was creepy and he was creepy in it. So I was like, ooh, good enough. Yeah, I had heard it was creepy. Yeah, ah yeah I like that whole
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the creepy, you know, okay, they're supposed to be creepy, but they're still like, kind of sexy, kind of like the vampire lore, right? It's kind of that whole like, you even feel weird because, you know, it's not supposed to be, it makes you feel weird, I guess.
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Whatever. He's hot. Elena has the things for vampires. Okay, but no, I was, but you're making me think of fricking Bill Skarsgard and they were talking, I've heard talk about how he's doing the Nosferatu coming out. And he said that he kind of freaked himself out doing that one. And, oh really you know, yeah, they kind of talked about how it's that whole like, ooh, vampire, like even the creepy vampires are supposed to be creepy, but also kind of hot. Cause Skarsgard's, you know, got a Skarsgard. Yeah.
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I mean, even Pennywise is a little, you know?
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You can see the bill poking through. what it's gonna be when he transformed into that oh the super tall old woman with the saggy boobs and chased the children from the house is that what you know but i forget that's him too oh the super tall the two super tall i can't talk um not a horror movie but uh that reminds me of the one uh show them that uh pat and i just been watching some
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Speaker
episodes out. It doesn't really have to do with us, the movie, which you'd think because you see like a black family. And I'm like, is this the same thing? But it's like, I don't know, maybe some of the same people. And it's like a black family in the 50s that move from like a southern or like, yeah, southern state like North Carolina or something to like California. And of course, like the creepy Stepford wives, white ladies, you know, trying to scare them out of there. But then also like there was like this supernatural character that's pretty tall and got that tall Slenderman creepy thing going on. Does he have a top hat?
00:06:09
Speaker
no Sometimes. Sometimes I think it might be a girl. I don't know. Interesting. I know very little but also Pat watched whole season two and then he went oh that was season two I need to watch season one now and I was like well it must have made some sense if you didn't realize you hadn't watched the whole season. I think it deals with um the adult daughter of the family so I could see how it just kind of like was like oh that makes sense but like yeah it's been interesting I don't know cool maybe check it out
00:06:45
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um do you have anything you want to recommend i feel like i'm like oh i listened to this and i watched that what have i watched if you've had any time too poor thing yeah i haven't had ah the like mental brain power to try and follow a movie with like new characters or anything so Yeah,
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yeah I've been watching a few like reactions and stuff for like older older horror movies and things as they've been coming out because it's like, oh, I've seen the movie. i can sort of mind-numbingly watch this.
Engagement with Audience and Movie Tracking
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And not miss. Yes, that's what I like about podcasts where they break down the movie and stuff. Okay, cool. Yeah. Yeah. like get ah So I've been doing that, and then I have a couple TV shows I was watching a few episodes of. But yeah. Oh shit. It's glitching out again, fuckers. Yeah.
00:07:59
Speaker
yeah you guys have to tell us what you're watching and all that and then we'll give you guys maybe i'll put a list up on our socials when we talk about the horror movies we've been watching some of them i watched were not so great
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I know. It's always interesting. ah That's for sure. yeah i put I put everything on my letterbox, otherwise I couldn't keep track of anything that I watched. ah couple of That is very true. The other day I was like... I don't know, at least halfway through watching a movie and then I, cause normally right when I start it, I'll like put it in my letterbox store, I won't remember. And a lot of times I'll catch myself and be like, Oh, I already saw this movie. Um, so you go to like log it that you've watched it. Yeah. Okay. I have like good reads where you're like, I read that book five stars, whatever. And then yeah, it shows.
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as like, so okay. I catch myself a lot of times being like, Oh, you watched this movie. And it's like, well, obviously it wasn't great because you don't even remember it. Uh, no, I think that's the nature of just movie watching though. I don't know. but Yeah. And then sometimes I don't want go to log it until the movie's almost over. And then I go, damn it. Like does this is one I've already seen. And I didn't, didn't catch it at all. And it's like, but never, never will I not think about how I was like,
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I bought Gone Girl, the book, and then went, I already own this. But it's so true, because like we're looking through stuff to watch on Prime. And Pat was all, you know you pick or whatever, because um you know he's got his list going and all the stuff ready to watch that we could pick from. But it's like, OK. And I was flipping through, or um no I guess he was flipping through, because then he had the remote. And I said, oh, what is that? and it's like jackpot or something. And then he already was on something else and playing it. And I looked it up and go, Oh, jackpot. That's the one where they had to run away because she won the lottery. And it's up for grabs that you can kill the lottery winner is the premise. Right. And it's with Awkwafina. I just couldn't. And I and I said, Oh, that's what that one is. And then Pat goes, Yeah, jackpot. That's about that. And we watched that. I go, Oh, OK. Like I just.
00:10:31
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yeah I just saw it and went like, what is that about? And then when he said it, I go, oh, OK, I have a vague recollection of watching that now. ah Right. But yeah. Yeah. There's just sometimes so many of the same ones, too. Yeah. Right. Yeah. It's crazy to keep track of everything. hi Yeah.
00:10:57
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add in podcast episodes and then yeah someone said the other day you guys don't believe that we don't remember what episodes we've done and i'm like oh no we're podcasters we get it yeah go back and i'm like have we done this have i already done this like what's happening and right exactly what happened to me with this one because it sounded so familiar but i had just heard about it, I guess.
Introduction to Danny Rolling Case
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And I hadn't heard of it. I didn't. I haven't done anything. So I've been enjoying it. oh Damn. him Well, where we left off, um it was basically, yeah, we had to get the for recap, the life, the early life of Danny
00:11:48
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Rolling, I think I went with still didn't look that one up. But his his life. And then he was in Shreveport. There was a triple murder of the Grissom family. And then we just like went on to their next stop of Gainesville, Florida in August of 1990, where there was an attack on two university students in their home. And that was where we left it.
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Oh yeah! So that was like page four or something. Oh my god. Isn't that crazy?
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Um, so, um, yeah, again, probably trigger warning for part two, because the first part had lots of child abuse in his early years and stuff. And then this one's gonna kind of have, I think the result of all that lovely treatment. He has it as a child where he's letting out his anger and there's, um, but mutilation of bodies and and stuff like that. It's definitely,
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a rough one just always listen with caution as with true crime I guess but yeah oh and you know sexual assault and all that because he loves to do that and pose their bodies and stuff like that ew and then also as a reminder this was the inspiration for the scream movies yeah which I uh I can't believe it like I think, yeah, I mentioned it.
Murders and Investigation Details
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I think it's fascinating that there's like within the Scream movies, there's the stab movies that are based off the Scream movies and Scream is based off of this. So it just like keeps going. Oh, I know. And oh, yeah, the parodies are so good. And then you could argue that the scary movie parodies, you know, come off the back of these kind of movies taking themselves
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not too seriously and doing kind of the whole fourth wall breaking. I love the scary movies. They're hilarious.
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I should give those a rewatch actually, yeah. I watched them for the first time at the beginning of COVID because I just wanted something just like my my numbing and it was amazing. Oh girl, I saw one of those in theaters.
00:14:28
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That's so funny. Such a different experience. Oh my God. Yeah, I loved it. I was like, this is hilarious. Yes. What's her name? Oh my God, Anna Faris. She's funny. Yeah. They have the guy from Schitt's Creek, too. He's got the weird little hand. Gross. Yeah, so good.
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okay and now we're just avoiding the things yeah let's let's talk about murder and mutilation yeah yeah there's some bad stuff but there will be some heroes in this story i think okay i like that Okay, yes, we'll give you some hope. So as we pick back up with the brutal deaths of the two university students in Gainesville, it is August of 1990. It's probably hot as fuck. Ooh, yeah.
00:15:26
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which has just got colder here today, so it's starting to sound nice. But right? Bring back summer.
00:15:35
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oh Okay, so the names of the students, the slain students were Christina Christie Powell and Sonya Larson. They were both new students fresh out of high school and they were both and unfortunately just 17 years old. Wow.
00:15:53
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Yeah, that's how old my daughter is. That's really depressing. Yeah. um Christina's best friend, her BFF, Alison Emery, said she was super excited for the new phase in her life, like the next chapter. She was really excited to be going off to uni and... Damn.
00:16:13
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ah Powell and Larson met the summer prior to the start of university and decided to become roomies and they got along great. So that was all cool. Oh, sorry. Pardon me.
00:16:27
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um my cider. So Sonya's mother was very happy that she had a roommate there, um but we also know that she was a little trepidatious. She was not thrilled exactly that they would be staying off campus, the girls. oh Okay. Yeah, this was as all the dorms were full, so they didn't really have a choice if they wanted to go. Huh. Yeah. So already her mom's like, feeling
00:17:00
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a little cautionary, I guess. um And speaking of keeping in mind the theme of the screen movies, she the ah the mother of Sonya Larson added, we had no way of reaching her. The phone hadn't been installed yet. She hadn't called us. And finally, the Powells who lived closer went over there. They had been radio silent since moving in a few days prior. So they didn't even have a phone.
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Damn, like, yeah, I'm sorry, we should have gone to a pay phone and called your mother. I know. But this is like that. Okay, because in the first part, I remember I was like, wait, did we ever talk about this? But no, I think it's like they're like, go check on the neighbors. And you're like, no, the police. That's their job. but Yeah, that's what they get paid to do. Don't star yourself for the rest of your life.
00:17:56
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Yeah, but basically they're like, yeah, um, yeah, the one family can't get ahold of their daughter. So they're like the Powell family, they live closer. So they physically go over there because they can't get ahold of the girls. So they bet the Powell's banged on their daughter's door. They had no answer. Um, and maintenance. mark Wow. Let's try that again.
00:18:20
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A maintenance worker is called to help and Betty Kernet, the apartment manager, is also present. She insisted they get a police officer on site and then they get the door open. She was standing beside the worker as he broke down the door and the officer was behind her. It'd be like, you you go first, officer. Fuck sakes. Right, but this... ah They were doing a little better than in the, is it Ruthie Mae? I just relistened to an episode, Sinister Hood covered the one that inspired like the Candy Man um story or whatever. Oh, yeah. It's horrible, cheap rundown apartments where they could get through the bathroom windows and the the Ruthie Mae lady like called and the police came and she didn't answer the door and so then they just left.
00:19:16
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Like, at least these guys are breaking down the door or whatever. but So, quote, when he went in, I followed him in the apartment and I saw the young lady on the bed. You could see she was in a bad position and I just turned around and walked out, Kernet said. My maintenance man, unfortunately, ran down the stairs screaming, oh my God, and came out and threw up. And the sad, sad part about it is that we had the parents behind us on the stairs.
00:19:47
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Oh, at least they didn't go in first. But that's pretty rough. ah Yeah.
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um Then backup was called the girls were discovered like obviously their bodies. Christina Powell was found on the first floor. Her mouth was duct taped and her hands have been bound.
00:20:11
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and ah this was evident from when they found her from like the residue but they like it had always been removed from them oh yeah trying to get rid of fingerprints or something then oh yeah he completely knows that he has to try to get rid of evidence probably because his dad's a cop right um only you might not remember that yeah I forgot he was an abuser, i but yeah, he's an abusive cop. That's what his dad was. Beat him when he was one because he didn't crawl right. Yeah.
00:20:46
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Yeah, didn't he shoot his dad? Like shoot and kill his dad, right? Oh, he did shoot his dad. Sorry, I didn't mean to sound like that. But he did. And and although I did say it was because some altercation because his dad said roll the windows up on your car. When I was editing, I remembered that I had also read it like Like his dad was abusive. We knew that. And like he obviously had a temper too. So I think it had escalated beyond that where maybe his dad said something to that effect of put the car windows up, but then his dad came out of the house carrying a gun and brandishing it at him. And so like, apparently it kind of escalated and maybe it was obviously just the last straw for Danny at that point. Like, yeah.
00:21:35
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Oh, by the way, yeah, his dad lost an eye in the ear and he did survive though. Oh, okay. Yeah, that was pretty crazy. um ah It's all pretty crazy. So yeah, they found the girls and Christina Powell was found with evidence that she had been sexually assaulted and probably before and after death. So it's just really, really bad.
00:22:05
Speaker
Um, she'd been stabbed repeatedly, further desecrated, and mutilated. And, uh, much like Ed Gein, who I didn't want to cover, he cut off her nipples. Because, great. Why shouldn't they all get inspiration from each other? yeah Right.
00:22:27
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And just when you try to avoid, there's so many movies based on Ed Keene too. When you look up horror movie crimes, he comes up so much. And I was like, no, I don't want to do him. You know, ah I wouldn't either. It's like Texas Chainsaw Massacre, like it's just so many. And you're like, oh, yeah.
00:22:49
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a So poor Sonya found on the water bed upstairs had been also brutally murdered, stabbed in the arms and torso. Her body was laying on the bed. um So also kind of posed, her feet were on the floor and her hand her head was back with her hair fanned out around her face.
00:23:12
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um Wayland Clifton, Chief of Police of the Gainesville Police Department, said his greatest fear going home that night was that there ah were more murders to come. She is. Yeah, we could probably guess that he was right on that one.
00:23:30
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Yeah. And this next one would somehow manage to head even closer to home for the department. ah This was Krista Hoyt, who had begun hoping to become a police officer herself from what I read. She'd been working part time at the Alachua County Sheriff's Office when she didn't show up for her I tried to write shift, but it came out s sift, which they didn't correct because is also a word, I guess. She didn't show up for her sift.
00:24:07
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um Anyway, sorry, this is really sad. They dispatched Gail Barber and another officer to the scene. And Barber actually recognized ah her immediately. She recognized Christa Hoyt's body.
00:24:22
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yeah her body had been badly cut up, nipples removed again, and her head had also been removed and placed on the bookshelf across from her body. Ugh. Gross. So gross. And also the part that really made me think that honestly that we had covered it but before because I was like, huh, I guess I just you don't forget a detail like that. Sometimes you're like, oho yeah, yeah.
00:24:52
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like he puts her head so that she's like watching herself. I don't know. and Weird. It's just really sad because the the the officer there knew her and said, I did not want to see that young lady that meant so much to me. I did not want that to be what I carried in my mind of her for the rest of my life. That's what Barbara said. Yeah, that would be hard.
00:25:16
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Yeah, she personally knew her and then she found her all chopped up and that was because they, um, I think as I mentioned, they were, or maybe comes up here a little, uh, later with the details, like, cause they knew she was, yeah, she didn't show up for her, her shift, her shift. Yes. That, that part. Cause so they knew she was like, they're like, that's not right. You know, that's unusual. Yeah.
00:25:43
Speaker
Um, so the one article had more details that said, Rowling broke into the apartment of Christa Hoyt. Uh, they called her an 18 year old chemistry honors student. So I guess she was studying chemistry. Also, I believe at Santa Fe college, prying open a sliding glass door with a screwdriver, finding she was not home. He waited in the living room for her to return.
00:26:14
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how the you I know so gross. At 11am, Hoyt entered the apartment and was surprised by Rowling who placed her in a chokehold. after she had been subdued he used ductagg so sorry i can't talk After she had been subdued, he used duct tape to gag her mouth and bind her wrists together behind her back and led her into the bedroom where he cut the clothes from her body and raped her.
00:26:42
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It's so bad. I'm sorry. As in the Powell murder, he forced her to lie face down onto the bed and stabbed her in the back rupturing her aorta. He then flipped her body over and sliced her abdomen open from her pubic bone to her breastbone.
00:27:03
Speaker
Just just a lot. I'm sorry. It had details that I just was like, How do they even know he must have told them? ever And then from the body, I guess.
00:27:16
Speaker
Oh, and this was crazy. After arriving back at his campsite, Rowling could not find his wallet. Thinking he may have lost it at the murder scene, he returned there, at which time he decapitated Hoyt, posed her body in a sitting position at the edge of her bed, and placed her head on a shelf facing the corpse. He later come can littleah he later claimed his intent was to add to the shock of whoever discovered her. Ugh. Gross. Oh, because he had to go back for his wallet.
00:27:46
Speaker
yeah it's like how does your mind work yeah it's like well i'm here let me just like right like those killers that you're like oh and then they like killed a bunch of people and then like had a snack and you're like they what like that's insane right
00:28:06
Speaker
Yeah, it's like they hung out in the victim's house for the next 12 hours and messed up their Netflix algorithm and made a sandwich. What? No, give me the like, I don't know, I think I heard of on a petty crime show, like Liv Larceny or something like that, where it's like, well, they broke into my house and then they were stoned and they just like cleaned the place up. You're like, yes, please. Let's do that.
00:28:33
Speaker
that I'm okay with. My dog would be barking at you though. yeah yeah But then he'd be begging for part of that sandwich. Yeah.
00:28:48
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Okay. Okay. So this, yeah, it was pretty rough on everybody involved. Krista's parents were devastated and basically just Mostly her father begging to know if her death had been quick. They really focused on hoping it had been somewhat painless and over quickly. You probably don't want to know. I i know. I That's all I could ah hope for too, I'm sure. yeah She was very young also. She was 19. She is.
00:29:24
Speaker
And then news of the murders, of course, start to spread, scared. People are getting all terrified, ratcheted up. The University of Florida was also very big, as I learned. it was the It's the fourth largest public university campus in the US. Oh, wow.
00:29:44
Speaker
I know that seems huge, but, and ah Gainesville is the most populous city in north central Florida. So there was a lot of students that were getting really scared um every day.
00:29:58
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The very next morning, August 28th, two more victims were found dead, Tracy Pauls and Manuel Manny Taboda.
00:30:10
Speaker
the next morning like they were killed the same night or that's just when they found their bodies um i think they were killed the following night from the others if i oh okay we're to go back and see if we had an actual date for the one before but it's very it's in very quick succession that's for sure yeah um
00:30:38
Speaker
I don't think I have the exact date for the previous murder, but it was, you know, I just put August. ah um So yeah, I guess this is like the next day. These are Tracy and Manny were close friends since high school, had moved in together recently. And Manny had hopes of being an architect and Tracy wanted to be a lawyer.
00:31:03
Speaker
So they're just starting school. And the 23-year-olds were living together in an apartment with, again, I don't want to scare everybody, but another sliding glass door. um yeah I know you extra secure yours.
00:31:20
Speaker
I want to secure mine now. but I don't have a sliding glass door at all. But oh, you just had the extra security stick on one of your front doors or something, right? I have one for the front door and one for the back. But but there's ones you can get right for sliding glass doors, which we'll get into. it Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's a good idea.
00:31:46
Speaker
right our so our sliding glass door our patio door leads out onto our back porch which is fenced in so it's hard to get into unless you're gonna climb our fence from in like the park yeah don't try it but like also our the the thing keeps i don't know it's like a slight whatever just a little latch that opens and shuts the lock so also that's been breaking and then like you can easily lock yourself out like there even without locking it Yeah. That sucks. I know. We end up not using it in the winter because it gets like too much to like try and let the dog out and then there's snow and it's freezing cold. and Anyway, it gets fucking cold here. Yes, we're in Canada.
00:32:33
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but yeah
00:32:37
Speaker
Coldest part of Canada. God damn it. Anyway, I'm fine. It was really cold today. I was like, no, the winter is coming.
00:32:46
Speaker
Yeah, I refuse to get out and wear my winter jacket yet, so I froze to death this morning on my way to work. Do you mean youre you um you're plaid your plaid winter jacket? No, those ones are messed up, so I had to get rid of. Yeah, both of them are gone, sadly.
00:33:09
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There was a girl at work that I was wearing when the weather got colder and it was this plaid pattern that reminds me of
Breakthrough and Arrest of Danny Rolling
00:33:16
Speaker
Kelsey's one that I haven't seen in ages because we used to just like see each other more of when we work together physically. Yeah, I loved those ones. They were like perfect ah for Kelsey.
00:33:31
Speaker
Right? Yeah, sort of. They, yeah, they were just poofy enough and warm and enough that I could wear them most of the time unless it was like, I don't know, colder than like minus 10. Yeah. Yeah. But they're still cute. Exactly. Which is difficult to always come by because usually when you get something that's super warm, it's not as fashionable necessarily. Yeah. Sadly, they're both, they're both wrecked and long gone.
00:34:01
Speaker
Damn. That makes me really sad. Yeah. Right? I think they were each, I think they were each $20. So it was like the best $20 I ever spent on either of those. It's so funny. Like, yeah, I, yeah, I got a jacket or two I got to replace. Like I had ah a nice, I thought it was leather, but it starts pulling away. Then you know, it's pleather. Yeah. Yeah. You're like, damn it.
00:34:30
Speaker
oh yeah Mine's doing that now again. I was like, I just bought this last year from Goodwill. It's like it looked perfectly brand new and now it's exactly messing up on the one sleeve. I'm like, damn it. It's got to buy like a real leather jacket last me a hundred years.
00:34:51
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Same, same, same, same. Yeah.
00:35:16
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Oh, here's the here's the sound effect that I was going to use on our last recording.
00:35:27
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What is this dateline? What's happening? It's called horror jump scare sound effect. Horror jump scare? Okay. so was I was trying to find something to put before our scary stories for the for the bonus episode.
00:35:48
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ah
00:35:52
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so So poor Tracy and Manny were living together in the apartment with the sliding glass door, which Danny Rawling used to break in with the same tools that he'd used before.
00:36:07
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and yeah Yeah, Manny had reportedly been surprised to sleep in bed, but still kind of fought the attacker off as best as he could.
00:36:19
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So, quote, hearing the commotion, Paul's went down to the hall to Taboda's bedroom and saw Rowling. She attempted to barricade herself in her bedroom, but Rowling broke through the door. Rowling taped her mouth and wrists, cut off her clothing and raped her before turning her over and stabbing her three times in the back.
00:36:39
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Rolling pose, Paul's body, but left Tabodas in the same position in which he had died.
00:36:46
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got
00:36:49
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It's rough. Yeah, he just seems more focused on posing those girls. and Yeah. But it seems like he had like been a little rushed with this one.
00:37:05
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he did take the time yet to pose her a little bit and try and clean up her body with some soap which was found on her lower body along with tape residue on her hands uh which she took the tape with him again um and now everyone's terrified especially in this area where all the murders had occurred within like a two mile radius so really small oh yeah geez there's one picture oh i should have i remember in one article there was a picture of students it said students pleading to have cancel classes canceled and eventually they were canceled for um a week after a parent's pressure from students huh yeah like things were high alert
00:37:56
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And people took to walking in groups carrying baseball bats and triple locking their doors and students sleeping and in shifts. God damn. Yeah, I probably would have been adding like hammering nails into a wooden baseball bat and been like, okay. like Meet Lucille. Yeah. Yeah. This is my new best friend. It's a bat filled with nails. Right. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's great. It's nice. They're like the community banded together, which is nice to feel like your community has your back, but also just so scary. Yeah. um And by the end of that August, almost 700 students had left the school or the campus and never came back to the area.
00:38:44
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wow 700 that's crazy they're like fuck this i mean i would be yeah especially then it's like and now we have oh there's every school you're almost expected to be scared in america sorry america but you have so many school shootings it's like Yeah, that people come to school with like clear backpacks now, but like but I'm honestly surprised that they don't just move everything online like it's just it's it'd be crazy It just yeah, it does make you sad for that stuff I I dealt with the clear bag situation when I was like
00:39:33
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I haven't been to a concert here in a while, but what? Now I can't go with my tiny little purse. I told you about that when we went to see Metallica and like, you can't even, you can't even bring in a purse. My, my little black purse that I yeah was using that was like the size of a loose leaf piece of paper, you know, like literally, am no you can fucking toss it or you can leave. And we were like, uh,
00:40:00
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We're already all the way down here and our car was parked at the Kingsway Mall, which is oh a walk from the concert. right yeah Anyway, we had ended up, my friend Anita lived ah down near there, quite close to where we used to live, which was yeah close to this concert venue. And I was like, can I drop off with a purse with you? And if she hadn't done that, we would never.
00:40:23
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I've been able to see that concert. Oh, I'm like, this is crazy. This is what happens. I know. I'm like, did I miss something before? You know, like now it's like airports after 9-11 getting into a concert here. Like I didn't remember it being like that. The last Metallica concert we went to. Yeah, that's something they should be like supplying when you buy the tickets. Then. Yeah, everyone else acted like what you didn't know. I was like,
00:40:51
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No, dude. Been here in a while. Yeah. I didn't realize we lived in Compton. Oh, no. ah That's where they are in that them show I was talking about. So Compton's like super white at the time because it's the 50s. Yeah. OK. Yes. Many students left.
00:41:16
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The police were following all the leads ah that they had, which were probably not that many, unfortunately. But the day of the murder of Christa Hoyt, there had been a ah robbery at a bank about a half a mile from her house.
00:41:31
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um So that was kind of in the same vicinity. And at the time, a bank teller managed to put a red diee back dye bag inside the bank bag. It's hard to say. Dye bag.
00:41:45
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yeah like very like it's gonna explode all over you yeah nice and then later that day an officer followed a guy in a hoodie a dude in a hoodie into the woods into the woods that's so weird but because I don't know he has suspicions or whatever and then he finds later the stash where there's the red dye pack a screwdriver and a tape player and also um some money covered in in red dye so yeah this is the guy that held up the bank too but I guess I didn't get him I don't believe at that time
00:42:29
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um also they found a gun which didn't really fit with the m MO of the murders so they didn't really really equate it with the crime at all oh okay yeah I mean in the murder and rapes to doesn't make me normally think of a bank robber no exactly so although I'm kind of foreshadowing like they obviously didn't connect it like and I don't yeah blame them which means they also wouldn't listen to what was on the tape until months later. So just put a pin. Really? Oh, yeah. Yeah, was some of the tape. It's evidence. Yeah, least evidence in the bank robbery. I mean, you would think it would appear as though like, OK, like like a blank CD looks like a blank CD. Wouldn't a tape that you've recorded over look like a recorded tape, I guess. I don't know.
00:43:25
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That's before my time. Yeah, I don't really know much about cassettes or anything. but I made you a mixtape. It's evidence you should have at least listened to it in regards to your bank robbery case. I feel like unless it said like Aerosmith Greatest Hits, like yeah, you know, it's not just yeah random.
00:43:48
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thing the dude was listening to, but you know. well
00:43:55
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um So at at around this time they also did arrest a man in a conjunction with the case whose name was Ed Humphrey and was a college student. um They had found some sort of connection like some partial like DNA match at the scene is my understanding. Okay.
00:44:17
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But this is early 90s, so the DNA and they're I think they're going kind of like blood types and shit like that. Oh, okay. Yeah, to be fair. um They had like some suspicions of Ed who had ah some things under his belt. He had just been recently in trouble for assaulting his own grandmother, which gives some Ed Kemper vibes. Yeah, what the heck?
00:44:44
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Uh, yeah. And they were like, he's carrying knives a lot. And then apparently he's off his medication. And so he looked good for it. And, um, I'll put some pictures of him, um, our social media and, and, uh, on the drive for you if you want to use them on the website, because although it shouldn't really matter, he did look a little scary. He had some facial scars on his face from like a car crash.
00:45:09
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So like bad guys always have scars. Yeah. Any movie ever has told me anything. It's that every bad guy is Russian, British, or and has facial scars. German. German, they're big for, they were they liked getting the battle scars. They thought it was like a badge of honor almost back in the day. Yeah. Oh my gosh. But like, yeah. Yeah. I don't want to make him look a little bit scary.
00:45:40
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Um, so he looked like a good culprit. Uh, people had heard him over saying some, uh, uh, troubling things like he liked to hurt people. Um, so ah yeah. And he was evicted from one of the apartments. The students were killed in as well, although there were a few of those apartments. So after the assault, the, yeah, the police held him on suspicion. So he's in custody now. Um,
00:46:11
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Yeah, so it was maybe a partial match of some of the DNA, but ultimately he was cleared DNA wise. And um they were kind of at a loss because there was a lot of cleaning products used to try and erase the, you know, semen and whatnot at the crime scene. um But there was trace amounts left behind basically. Okay. And it's the 90s.
00:46:37
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right yes i have a quote to kind of explain because i didn't really get it but it said there was one major problem for investigators even though dna testing technology was still in its infancy investigators were able to determine the suspect's blood type through semen left behind at all three crime scenes they found that the suspect had type b blood but Humphrey's blood was type a so okay I guess they can match blood types now from DNA evidence, but they don't have the exact DNA capability that we do now. Like the the full sequencing that they can do and be like, this is your second second cousin.
00:47:18
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like no yeah i was watching the oh it wasn't a forensic files but it was a crime beat it's like a canadian forensic files and they were like most people have two looking genome things but this one was distinctly three which is like a one and he's like it was un you know questionable in my mind you're like okay i believe you yeah you know what you're talking about you're a schmoyantist Yeah. So this suspect they had, Ed Humphries, his blood type did not match based on the semen. So though he was given some time for his assault to his got grandmother, which wasn't great. But yeah, he turned his life around. Honestly, this guy went back to school, he graduated with honors and got a Bachelor of Science degree in Business Administration.
00:48:15
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Damn, he probably went back on his medication, went to therapy. Yeah, this is a an ad for yeah what you can do with medication, better help. Yeah, it's like an episode of Scared Straight. It's like, Scared almost got charged with murder. Ooh, I haven't watched a lot of those. Some of those places were problematic.
00:48:45
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i really I shouldn't have enjoyed grown adults who have done like crazy crimes. I shouldn't have enjoyed them yelling at really annoying bratty teenagers as much as I did. but man and this person's like yeah I shoplift I'm cool all my 16 year old friends think I'm the best wo everybody's afraid of me at school and then they go to the prison and it looks like they shit themselves because this person's screaming in their face and you're just like yes this is the best I think they did condition us to that in like the 90s and stuff and as long as it doesn't get to like the level of those
00:49:28
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I forget what they like actually call them now with the term, but places where they sent like Paris Hilton and people where they they did like scream at them every morning and then like, you know, oh like the boarding schools. Yeah. Yeah. It's not like scared stiff, but it's something like that. It's like.
00:49:47
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It's like scare the shit out of them until they behave, you know, to whatever end. And you're like, oh, great. That's what places should be like. You know, i I just thought it was hilarious because they they always did little updates.
Legal Proceedings and Execution
00:50:01
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It would follow like a group of them of like five of them. And then it would let do little updates at the end. And I don't know. It worked a lot of the time because it'd be like, yeah, this is where you're going to be living. This is where you shit in front of four other people all day long. Like.
00:50:17
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No, I believe that. I think in the way that like a lot of misguided kids, like maybe can find some structure from the military or whatever, I feel like they could probably give some of them some structure. But it's like, yeah, that's your life. You think you're so cool. This is where you're going to end up. You better get used to it.
00:50:37
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i Yeah. But also this was the age of like, and I just heard an ad for her the other day, like Judge freaking Judy. And I thought she's still around. You're from like Jerry Springer time. Like what? Yeah. Didn't you die? Yeah. Apparently not. I used to love watching Judge Judy. Oh, she's got some sass.
00:51:05
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but that was like an era right you had she was very much like oh yeah for Malcolm in the middle i feel like they had her play a similar character anyway i'm getting off rant here ah hi buddy gordo has entered chat hi buddy oh he wants to get in on it just Okay, so away from the scared, straight people. They are looking for a match to this partial DNA that they have, which I kind of understand now, basically, maybe all they can really tell from it is blood type or something like that. Yeah. Yeah.
00:51:41
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But definitely some similarities are matching up between the Shreveport triple murder case ah because of the similarity in the way the victims ah had been sort of sexually posed in some of their cases and the way that cleanup was attempted also.
00:52:00
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after the sexual assault parts. Yeah. Investigator Don Maines was heading up the force following the possible connection between the murders in Trevport and in Gainesville, Florida. He had been up to Louisiana, so he's from Florida, he'd been up to Louisiana to get a bigger picture. And they're all kind of working more together now, which is good.
00:52:26
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So the Shreveport police had the blood type of the killer in the Grissom case, and they were able to determine that it was the same blood type as in the Gainesville murders. Which is like, if you could fight back against your attacker, like that case I was listening to last night,
00:52:45
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she was late got killed in Banff Alberta and and she fucking stabbed him or whatever fought back so hard that his blood was all over the place and that's how they got him oh yeah yeah fuck them up fuck yeah girl the last thing you did was help catch your own killer yeah you you scrape their face to everything because i mean if they even if they hold all a suspect into questioning it'd be like how would your face get all scratched up or your eyes and it's like yeah most people's faces don't get scratched up every day yeah even with a murder cat no right
00:53:32
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Although I constantly have claw claw bruises on like my thighs sometimes from that stupid dog. Yeah. Ma'am, are you okay? Yes, my dog's just very boisterous and doesn't let me clip his claws. Yeah.
00:53:51
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Okay, so same blood type in both of these cases in Louisiana and Florida, which is positive. Then at around this time, they get a great tip from a tipster lady who lived near Danny, at one point was his neighbor, and her name was since Sydney Glilove, Cindy J.
00:54:15
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Well, I wrote it out, but at first I almost didn't because it's hard to pronounce looking. Drat chick, maybe. But she called the Crimestoppers and she had known Danny and her and her husband had had him over several times and also had to ask him to leave before do it to these off putting remarks that he had made. Hmm.
00:54:42
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um But not until she'd heard about the streak of murders to actually convince her to call. This was in November of 1990, and they had lived in Louisiana near Danny. So yeah, before we moved to Florida, I guess. And she said, he always told us, one day I'm going to leave this town and I'm going to go where the girls are beautiful and I can just lay in the sun and watch beautiful women all day.
00:55:08
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um which whatever okay um but also great aspirations in life i guess i'm gonna go sit on a beach and look at some buds yeah like okay he'd come over every night for a while and then one night steven came in and he goes and he's got to go uh Jay said, whatever her name is. Dobbin told her that Rowling had told him he had a problem. I said, what kind of problem? And Steven said he likes to stick knives into people. And so that's what her husband was saying that he said, yeah. Uh, gross. It would not let me rest, she said. One day I picked up the phone, I called Crimestoppers and I said, I think there's one guy y'all need to investigate, Danny Rowling.
00:56:05
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So the heat is on Danny at the same time the Shreveport police checked on DNA of former prisoners in the area. Again I tried to understand how all this like detective work came together and whatnot but like yeah it all seemed to come together near the same time which was kind of cool.
00:56:27
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um In January of 1991, they got a match. It was Danny's DNA a at the triple murder of the Grisham family.
00:56:41
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so The connections to all these cases were adding up with the similarities, the cleaning, which at the Grisham murders involved vinegar and later involved like cleaning products and the the tape removal and the posing of the body. The whole MO was very similar.
00:57:00
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um Then they were able to search Danny's things upon these, uh, you know, theories and they find audio tapes that are like diaries of the crimes. Gross.
00:57:19
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And I'm like, Oh no, these tapes that they should have listened to. Of course. Yeah. ah Right. The police that were investigating the bank robbery near Crystal Hoyt's house finally listened to the tape they had in custody they'd found in the woods with the money. It was a deranged man talking about killing and calling himself Danny Rolling. They should have listened to it. Like, who dropped the ball on that? I know. Honestly, I wonder if you- ugh, yeah. It's-
00:57:51
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crazy. In one of the songs it said the man sings mystery rider what's your name you're a killer a drifter gone insane. I can rhyme words. It was so so good at it yeah. yeah
00:58:09
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Hewitt said the man also talked to his family about life and how he felt he went down the quote wrong road. Smith said Rowling also talked about the best way to kill a deer.
00:58:20
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So this is all in the tapes, I guess. Wow. Then at one point, the man on the tape says his name, Danny Harold Rolling. That was exciting, Hewitt said. It didn't matter what the lyrics were or what he was saying at that point. Yeah. You think? And then um um i said, if we had played the tape before, we would have had this guy three months ago, Maine said.
00:58:48
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But for some reason, somehow that tape escaped us and I'll freely admit it. Cheats. Oh my gosh. That's terrible. It won't unfreeze for me at all. It's like Kelsey's a statue. Yeah. That's what mine was doing earlier. You didn't move for like almost 10 minutes. This weird. It's It's It's like when I'm watching the AI guys D and&D sessions where he just has like painted Gordon Ramsay and then you hear him talking, but he's not moving.
00:59:28
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actually ah okay Luckily for the police, Danny was already in Marion County Jail on a burglary charge. Oh, good. Right? For once, something went their way. And this was just 40 minutes south of Gainesville. He confessed to the murders when interrogated, just like that.
00:59:56
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He was charged on five counts of murder. I'm also not sure if that was just in Florida or just what they could and thought they would get him on, but that that's how it goes, yeah. Yeah, sometimes they have to charge you, especially if they're doing like a group thing. like If they're not trying each case separately, if they have one that they think they might lose on, um it could bring ah like down the whole thing.
01:00:24
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so oh yeah sometimes they'll have like nary one body to go on and so they have to do whatever they can yeah yeah um the trap okay oh right so the one thing that he ever said about his motive i guess specifically was that he wanted to be a superstar like ted bundy loser I know. the Trial began almost four years after the first murders, and ah strangely before it even started, he unexpectedly pled guilty to all five charges at once. Huh. I know, I don't know how the lawyers felt about that. That doesn't sound expected. Yeah. See, trying to go like ah insanity plea or something.
01:01:26
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Yeah, it just sounds like they probably advise you to plead not guilty at least. But anyway, and better for us. So state attorney Rod Smith went straight to the penalty part of the proceedings, which I guess he was allowed to do because he pled guilty. You're like, cool, let's fast track this.
01:01:49
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it's ah It's sad how this works, yeah. You suck, prison forever, hope you die, goodbye. Yeah, this is in Small Town Murder, you sir may fuck off. this minute
01:02:08
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Cordo, you just headbutted me. Aww, I can't even see him. um Uh, so during the trial, we're down to the trial. Court TV interviewed his mom and his father could be heard shouting in the background of the interview, I guess. I don't know. So that was interesting. Um, however, yeah, the trial was not long and on April 20th, happy for 20.
01:02:38
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no
01:02:42
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But 1994, he was sentenced to death. um So yeah, 1994, that seems so crazy, right? Like, yeah. I don't think we had any murders in Canada up till that day, but we had probably had some in like the 70s, the 50s. Yeah, pretty late sometimes. Gordo, you can't scratch your face using a laptop.
01:03:09
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buddy you're gonna close the tab no so fussy stop he's being so fussy how good i thought you said pussy no okay um so we just have the trial to get through and a little bit more legal stuff. um He was diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder, borderline personality disorder, and paraphilia.
01:03:45
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I think paraphilia is getting excited by things that are not living. I could be wrong, I forget. I looked it up a while ago. Yeah, i I know the word, but yeah, I can't remember.
01:04:02
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Yeah, it's something. um While awaiting his execution, he confessed to the Shreveport murders that would be of the Grissom family. Okay. Like good. I don't know.
01:04:17
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um He gave a written confession and apology to Reverend Mike Hudspeth and the police. Um, then something told me his last meal, which was lobster tail, butterfly shrimp, and cocktail sauce, baked potatoes, strawberry cheesecake, and iced tea. Boo. Not bad. Honestly, they should get fed dog food. Like, just, you suck. Okay, but if someone took you on that YouTube and was like, what's your last meal? I mean, like, what are you gonna say? Like, that's a tough choice, right?
01:04:53
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Oh yeah, we as like normal or good law abiding citizens can fantasize about our own extravagant last meals, but the actual criminals should get fed dog food.
01:05:07
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Then like, do you want pate or? Oh no. Okay, well.
01:05:18
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I don't want I don't want tax paying money going to fucking lobster tails with this dude. You know, there's often times when I'm like, arguing, because the don't love capital punishment, especially how often, you know, we get it wrong when people are innocent and stuff, just just stuff like that. But this guy,
01:05:43
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yeah Yeah, it's not a hard pill to swallow. i e So many people wanted to see him killed. In fact, ah when he was executed on October 25, 2006, there were 47 witnesses.
01:05:57
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which was more than twice the seating capacity allowed there. Yeah. Standing room only. Yeah. We got a mosh pit. We got a beer, a beer garden. And I really... Anyway, I don't want to get all like, but you know us, we're like, sometimes it's supposed to be where a person's supposed to be good, but other times, like, I don't know, could he have been saved? It's hard to say. yeah I don't think so after five.
01:06:26
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He had a tough go of it, I must say. He had a real rough lot. We did discuss how he more than likely had brain damage from his father beating him as an infant. I feel like how could you not, yeah. yeah um So yeah, that's why I hate to get too exultant. but like Yeah, he kind of just met his end, I don't know, gracefully. They had given him a ah guitar to play on death row because he ah he had gotten into that when he was a kid. um And then he ended up singing a sort of hymn-like song, they said, as he literally lay on his like deathbed.
01:07:15
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um
01:07:18
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Yeah, it it it went on. It went on for like five verses. And I don't know. I don't know. Other things were like mean. They were like, it rambled
Community Impact and Legal Aftermath
01:07:29
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on. I was like, well, did it? Was it terrible?
01:07:36
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Anyway, obviously, he couldn't play his guitar, so it was all acapella. Of course, it probably sounded weird. um But he was just 52 years old actually when that happened and yeah, then he was dead. Yeah, yeah it doesn't often end that way. um But didn't really end there for us. We just had a little bit more things that happened. oh Obviously there was the screenplay which was by writer Kevin Williamson that became eventually Scream.
01:08:14
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But the whole community itself. What? It was a play before? I didn't know it was a play. um ah It ended up being a screenplay, I think I wrote. Yeah. So. Yeah, probably not a stage play. Although.
01:08:33
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That would be fun. I was going to say the amount of movies that they're taking from movie form to making them like musical plays. I'm like, are they doing that with Scream? But reverse if it's a musical play and now it's a movie franchise. Don't repurpose it. Yeah, exactly.
01:08:53
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Some of those are supposed to be good, but as the community just reeled with the loss and shock, the fallout was not over. the family's missing loved ones, the students and teachers trying to get back to school, the whole grieving city and at least four whole stigmatized properties, which was the apartments where the young lives had been taken. um That's what they call it after when they're like a haunted house or like, it's hard to sell, they call them a stigmatized property. and Well, yeah, it's one thing if like,
01:09:28
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ah one apartment in a building something happens in or whatever but yeah when you said like all the murders are within two miles of each other like that's that's a neighborhood that's fine it's obviously all close to campus yeah um It was actually the Gatorwood Apartments, the Campus Club Apartments, the La Mancha Apartments, and the only one that are still left standing, the Williamsburg Village Apartments. She is. And I had this quote. Oh, actually, yeah. Okay. So this is, I ended up getting some from an actual
01:10:14
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a law firm site and you'll you'll see why they become involved. and god
01:10:23
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They said, though the eventual capture of the perpetrator provided a measure of closure, the process of psychological recovery continued over the years. The murders triggered significant changes in how local law enforcement approached major crimes and supported victims and their families. Furthermore, it laid the groundwork for the university's response to campus emergencies.
01:10:44
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other higher learning institutions adopted this framework as well. Yeah. Yeah, so there's gonna be some action and some that might turn out some good. um Like after the conviction, Christa Hoyt's parents took action against her former landlord, whose name happened to be Albert J. Hoover, which I just thought was funny. Yeah.
01:11:14
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in relation to the, wasn't there a Hoover president or something? Okay. Yeah. Um, and then, so the, yeah, her parents and Garen and Ralph Hoyt filed their suit in 2005, raising concerns over the residents is security or lack thereof that the girls were living in. Um,
01:11:39
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The case just so happened to take place in the Alachua County Circus Court. Circus? Circuit Court? Sorry. Oh no. There's just so many words and I was wondering if I was saying Alachua right again and I still don't know.
01:12:00
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um Okay, but well ah yes, they happened to be handled by one Jack Fine of the Fine, Far Cash and Parla Piano law firm. So that's, I guess, why they ended up writing such a lovely article. Because they got involved in the court case. Yeah.
01:12:24
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um This suit alleged that the sliding glass door that Danny used to enter the home was insufficiently secured. ah The lock was deemed inadequate, and there was no security bar for backup.
01:12:39
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Criminal activity in the area, lack of security system, and copious trees, shrubbery, and other foliage that blocked a line of sight covering the entire perimeter also like contributed to the lack of security, I guess. Oh, OK.
01:12:56
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And as Florida law mandates that landlords uphold security and safety of their premises, so this law allows for the recovery of damages caused due to negligence in meeting those standards.
01:13:10
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like That's kind of where they got in on it. They're like, yeah, it's not secure. I can see that, I guess.
01:13:22
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It's, you know, you want to hit out in some way to hope that you can do some good to help prevent something like this from happening again. So yeah, I agree with that. Yeah. i I also think and they talk about this at work sometimes because In retail, you deal with so much theft and like people stealing and then like running out of the store with merchandise and stuff. and They always tell us if somebody's really motivated, there's no way you will actually stop them. like You're gonna stop the people that are gonna get embarrassed or whatever, but if somebody's actually doing it and they're that desperate, like you're never gonna be able to
01:14:04
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deter those people and it's like I kind of think the same way like no matter what safety things you try and do some some people just it wouldn't be deterred yeah yeah but that's crazy yeah when you say it like that and you're like wow places that have to be worried about being hit up like a gas station or something just because you're we work at a place of business. It's like, okay, yeah. We're all just like bank train robbers anymore, though. ah Yeah. Some people be crazy.
01:14:43
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so the ah attorney there from the ah law firm mr jack fine he also sued the manufacturer of the sliding doors i believe was the company and damn Yeah, they like hit right out. And according to their website, FFPlaw.com, despite an initial bankruptcy defense by the manufacturer, continued persistence and effort resulted in a separate recovery under a product liability theory. So they got some money somehow, I guess.
01:15:21
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um and you'd think that's where it ended but it didn't because he then helped out George and Ricky Pauls who I believe are the parents of Tracy Pauls which was one of the victims and they were told at first by a Miami law firm that they had no case whatsoever so Jack Fine said hold my fancy expensive beer and it was like let's go And they filed a lawsuit against Gatorwood Apartments on April 28, 1992. And it was a high crime area with a large amount of burglaries and assaults. So they used that, um I guess, to bolster the case. And because also surrounding the perimeter was a dilapidated fence and poor lighting, they argued that it was you know inadequate.
01:16:09
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um Yeah. And like, Dani had been hiding in the woods. They were not wrong, really. Like, yeah. Just so scary. um A settlement and with that one was eventually reached a confidential amount, although it was allegedly significant. And that's according to the law firm's website. So who knows?
01:16:35
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Then finally, Danny and his then fiance, Sandra London, were the final fight for this law firm. Because before he was put to death, obviously, um he co-wrote a story about his life and crimes trying to profit off them. No, not allowed. No, no, no, no. This lawyer was like, you are not allowed to do that. And it was so stupidly just titled The Making of a Serial Killer, The Real Story of the Gainesville Murders.
01:17:13
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um Yeah, and I guess, I don't know if it was just like briefly published before I stopped it, but by the, yeah, it said it was published by Fearl House and contained 50 hand-drawn pictures by Danny. It was also somehow serialized in a three-part series in the Globe magazine.
01:17:33
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But then Jack Fine filed a countersuit along with the state attorney that involved a version of the son of Sam Law, which exists to prevent criminals from profiting off their crimes. Yeah. So fuck yeah, they won, cut off production of the loosely based book, quote unquote, I hate to even call it that. Yeah. um So that put a kibosh on that. Yeah. And that's kind of how they they helped out. And nowadays there's like wonderful memorials in honor of the fallen, ah in honor of Christa Hoyt at the Santa Fe College and the Tracy Pauls Fund, which benefits places like the American Cancer Society and Edgicle Education at and you educational Institute for the Blind.
01:18:19
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Etch-a-kle? Etch-a-kle? Etch-a-micated? That's my dad. I'm so educated! But get you an etch-a-mication. Get me an etch-a-mication so I know how to work these computers. ah Computers?
01:18:36
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oh So crazy. Maybe because i but I think I told it to record video. So maybe I overwhelmed it. But that's neither here nor there. It was just a A crazy case. I don't know. We had so many problems when we were trying to record last time that I was just shooting blind. No. That might be why. Maybe. Probably. My poor computer is like always like, I don't have enough space. And I'm like, shut the hell up. You've got plenty.
01:19:13
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All right. It was a wild case. I can't believe I haven't heard that one before. Yeah, me too, actually, actually. I mean, I thought that maybe we covered it, ah especially. But it is crazy, the ones that get a lot of attention and others that like you just may have never heard of, unless you start listening to podcasts. It's weird. It is. It's odd. Yeah. I don't know.
01:19:42
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Um, especially they were all like white people, I think. I don't know. I'm just kidding. Oh my God. I was just probably saying that because we watched the blackening again last night as I was telling you earlier. And it's pretty funny. Pick someone to die who is the blackest and then watch how that plays out as they argue.
01:20:03
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ah straight
01:20:06
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Oh my God. Anyway, tell us what horror movies you guys loved this season, year, and what we should watch. Yeah. So it's our favorite.
01:20:21
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And then we'll catch you next week, I think, for our ghosts episode and our bonus episode. Yeah, spooky stories from both of those.
01:20:34
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Yes, just because we did some read some spooky stories ahead. Yeah. Which was really fun. We played a couple of games, couple rounds of... Yeah. I don't know, some funny stories I thought. Yeah.
01:20:56
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uh i love a good oh am i am i laughing or am i scared both right like yeah how do i feel um So thank you for your patience with this one. And then we're going to continue the spooky season into next week. And who the hell knows? Because in some places they read scary stories up until or not maybe not up until Christmas, but at Christmas time. Yeah, we'll just keep the spooky train going, right?
01:21:37
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All right. Well, catch you next time. yeah thanks for listening until then keep it cryptic
01:22:05
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01:23:19
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uh all right i think that's everything i don't know i got nothing i'm not contributing anything sit
Technical Issues and Session Wrap-up
01:23:30
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here drink drink some some chai be nice and warm and cozy yeah i had some chai this morning oh my gosh oh right okay yes let me get our I can't even see our button for our music when I have the screen open. Oh, ah here it is. Oh, you get to do that now. We have an intro.
01:24:04
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All right. Give me two seconds. I'm going to run pee. So that's okay. I know I got a little bit left to go. So if you've had to pee too, Yeah. Do you want to start a different one? Because this one's like completely frozen. i think I think you've only changed positions maybe twice in the last 15, almost 20 minutes. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll cut this one. We'll start at another one in a second. Okay. All right.