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Episode 34: How God Reedems Our Past with Tricia Goyer
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Tricia Goyer is a busy mom of ten, doting grandma, and wife to John. A USA Today bestselling author, Tricia has published seventy books and is a two-time Carol Award winner, as well as a Christy and ECPA Award Finalist. She won the Retailer’' Best Award in 2015 and has received starred reviews from Romantic Times and Publishers Weekly. She is also on the blogging team at TheBetterMom.com and other homeschooling and Christian sites. Tricia is the founder of Hope Pregnancy Ministries and currently leads a teen MOPS Group in Little Rock, Arkansas. You can connect with Tricia at www.TriciaGoyer.com
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Introduction to Podcast Mission
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Hello, I am Patrick Schwanke and I am so thankful that you are listening in with me today at Root Life Faith. It is our deepest desire to encourage and equip men and women to be rooted in God's word, transformed by the love of Jesus, and moved by his mission and the power of the Holy Spirit. Nothing is more important. I know that I've said this before, but one of the things that I love about doing this podcast is that we get to
Excitement for Upcoming Interview
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learn
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listen to and learn from some pretty amazing people. And today's just another one of those opportunities. And so I'm just really excited because we have another one of those special guests. And we're going to be talking about her personal story of being a teen mom, of experiencing an abortion at a very young age. But even more importantly, the story of God's healing and redemptive work in her life. And so I just can't wait to share today's episode with you and introduce you to our guest.
Introduction of Guest Tricia Goyer
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So let's get started.
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Well, my guest today is Tricia Goyer. You can read her full bio in our show notes at RootlikeFaith.com. But Tricia is a busy mom of 10. She's a grandmother, a wife to John. She's a USA Today bestselling author. She has published 70 books and won all sorts of different literary awards. She's a popular blogger. She's also the founder of Hope Pregnancy Ministries and currently leads a teen mops group in Little Rock, Arkansas. You can connect with her at TriciaGoyer.com. Tricia, welcome to Root Like Faith.
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Oh, Pat, it's so great to be here. I just love you and Ruth. Ruth is the best, I have to say. I agree with you on that. I have so much fun every time I'm with her. No, thank you. She's a keeper. She's a keeper. No, I appreciate that. As we were saying before we started, we just appreciate you. Ruth and I were feeling really good about having written eight books in 10 years. And then when I read your bio that you're at 70 books, I'm feeling kind of discouraged.
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Oh, keep going. Keep going. So, no, thank you very much. We love you guys and your family is just incredible. And so I know many of our listeners are going to be familiar with you and just your writing ministry and have followed along with you and your family, just the ministry that your family has had over the years. And so we just love you guys and are grateful for your friendship and ministry. So I'm just really excited to talk today.
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I had, we were talking earlier that we did a video for the family almost six or seven years ago, and that feels like another lifetime. It does. Yeah, I've been adopted four kids since then. Yeah, that's amazing. It's been a minute, as they say nowadays. Yeah, it has. Very good. Well, I'm grateful for your time today. Again, I think a lot of our listeners probably are familiar
Tricia's Family Life and Adoption Journey
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with you and maybe with your blogging or your writing. But for those that are not, just take a minute. We're going to be getting in and talking about your personal story and just becoming a mom as a teen and your experience of having an abortion and just how God really intervened and brought healing and hope and restoration. But for our listeners that maybe are not familiar, just to begin with, tell us a little bit about you and your family and then we'll get more into your personal story as we move forward.
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Sure, so John and I have been married 30 years and we have 10 kids. Or if you were around my kids, they would say 12, because we have two unofficial ones, which I'll explain that in a second. So Corey is 31. Leslie is 28. So Corey lives in town. He has four kids. I should mention that wonderful wife. Leslie is 28. She's a missionary in the Czech Republic. She has a husband and a baby. And Nathan is 26. He lives in town. He's in college.
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And then we have a sibling set of four that we adopted. They're currently between the ages of 20 and 16. She just turned 16. They're in between the ages of 11 and 15 when we adopted them, all girls. And then we have a sibling group of two that we adopted in 2013. They are currently 10 and 13. They were two and five when we adopted them. And then our little girl is 10 and we got her as a newborn.
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So John and I had three kids. We thought we're good. We're done. And then when our youngest one became a teenager, God was knocking on our heart and said, you're not done yet. You're still young. I have kids out there that needs families. And so we adopted, um,
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Seven in the span of five years Wow and then our two unofficial ones which I mean if you're buying them Christmas presents and they go on vacation with you like The sibling group before that we adopted They had an older sister that had aged out of foster care and she was married by the time we met her but she's totally one of our kids and
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And then one of the teen moms that I started mentoring in 2002, she kind of like adopted herself into our family. She would just come over all the time. And when we moved from Montana to Arkansas, she did too, and she lives in town. And she also has three kids. And so we have a huge family. There's always something going on. There's always something that needs you. There's always someone to talk to. There's always someone to play with. There's always something knocking on the door. Hopefully they won't be walking through the door.
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We're recording this, but there's always something going on with our family. Wow. I'll just say this for our listeners. I'm exhausted just hearing you talk about that. I'm exhausted all the time. It's just exhaustion all the time. I am sure. I think our listeners probably want to know, how many cups of coffee do you have a day? I'm a tea drinker.
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I used to drink coffee, but then our teen girls, when we adopted them, they would take my coffee and then put a ton of sugar in it and get super hyper. So I stopped making it and no one bothers my tea. So that was a wise move to a tea drinker.
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That is amazing. I love that. That is just incredible. Well, I'm sure talk more about your family as we continue talking, but just incredible.
Tricia's Teen Mom Experience
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I remember when we were interviewing or when I was interviewing you six or seven years ago, I was joking that there must be like two or three of you. Just think about all you're doing, the writing ministry alone, and then just your involvement with mops. And as you're talking about, just as a mom and grandmother,
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and mentor, just incredible, the grace that God has given you to do what you're doing. And so just praise God for that. We're gonna be talking about this theme, how God can redeem our own personal stories and use them in his story in powerful ways. And I think that there's a lot of Christians who maybe think about their past, who they used to be five years ago, 10 years ago, 20 years ago, 30, whatever it is.
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And they think about who they used to be or maybe what they've done in the past. And they sometimes just really struggle with, can God still use me today because of what I've done or because of who I was? And so as we begin, I'd love for you just to share your personal story of pregnancy at a young age and even your story of abortion. I know you've written about this in the past. And so maybe mention for our readers, for our listeners where they can read more about that. But I'd love for you just to kind of begin there and kind of share that part of your personal story.
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Yeah, absolutely. So I was born to a single mom and she had me when she was 20 and I never knew my biological dad until I was an adult. It was right during the Vietnam War. He had left to go to a four-year college so he wouldn't be drafted and she was pregnant and couldn't reach him. This is in the early 70s so things were really different back then.
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my mom and my grandma became a Christian when I was in second grade, but she was a really new Christian. So I really wasn't raised in a Christian home. My stepdad wasn't a Christian. She was a new believer. So just a lot of not really nurturing in the home. Just wanted that relationship with my stepdad. I really felt like
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he was there but not involved. Like I don't remember conversations or him wanting to spend time with me. It was more like, I'm trying to watch this football game, get away from the TV type of thing. And so from that young age, I just felt like I had this hole. I just wanted to be loved and appreciated, which of course there's lots of young guys that will show love and appreciation. I became sexually active at a young age and at 15 years old, found myself pregnant. And even though we went to church, I had never like,
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thought about pregnancy and abortion. And, um, this was before like true love weights and all these things. And just my immediate thing was just like, I need to get rid of this. So no one finds out. Like I didn't want my grandma to find out. And when my schoolmates to find out, I just wanted to be like done with it. And, um, I remember my mom took me, she told me she was taking me to counseling, but really was Planned Parenthood clinic.
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Um, and they are, you know, you're young, you have your future ahead of you. It's just scraping away a few cells. You never have to think about it again. And, um, just being there, I was thinking like, yes, I don't want to think about it. I want this to be over. And, um, it, I ended up having an abortion at 15 and just really pushing it out of my mind, not trying to think about it. I started drinking at parties then I started, I could see the destructive behaviors was that self loathing, that self, that pain.
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and shame trying to like numb what I had done. I was still with the same boyfriend, but we had a very horrible relationship and he was abusive during that time. But really I just wanted to be loved and I wanted to forget what happened. And I found myself pregnant again at 17, same boyfriend. But this time I knew I could not go through that again. Like no one could talk me into my boyfriend wanting me to have an abortion again. And I'm like, no, there's no way. And so he broke up with me and he had a new girlfriend within a couple of weeks.
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It was during that time, um, my mom and my grandma's Bible study group really reached out to me. And I
Church Support During Pregnancy
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remember I dropped out of regular school. I only had a couple of credits that needed. It was my senior year, but I was an honor student. So I was just doing my schoolwork at home. I was pregnant. My friends were gone, you know, on with their senior year. My boyfriend was gone and my mom on my grandma's Bible study group, they reached out to me. They gave me a baby shower. I remember the pastor's wife would come and see me and I didn't want to talk to her. Like, I just wanted.
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Like, I was in depression now, I could look back and see, I was just so depressed, but I just wanted to sleep, I didn't want to think about it. I just didn't even know what I was gonna do as my child. I mean, I knew I was gonna keep my child, but I didn't know, like, I had no plans for my future. And I remember one day, just waking up, and I was about six months along, and I was thinking about, like, going to Sunday school, and the song, Jesus Loves Me, and all those lessons, and my Sunday school teacher, you know, and thinking like, wow, maybe if these women that keep coming visit with me,
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If they love me still, maybe God does too. And at that moment I just said, you know, God, I have screwed up my life. If you could do anything with my life, please do. I just felt this like light in my heart and this peace in my heart. And like, I knew that he was there and I knew that it was going to be okay. It was like that, it was like that instant moment. It's like from, I just want to sleep all day and I didn't have any plan for the future too.
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God is going to be with me and it's going to be okay. And I started reading my Bible and going to church and it was, it really was like this transformation of me saying, here, take this mess that I've made and here you go. Yeah, that that's amazing. I just love that.
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that story and thank you so much again for just sharing that and walking through that. I couldn't help but just think about, you talked about being pregnant at 15 and then of course going to Planned Parenthood and you said your mom and grandmother took you there. My mom took me and I think she thought she was getting counseling. They were going to give me options but really it was like, no, you need to have an abortion, you're young.
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It's just like a couple of cells. And so, yeah, I'm like, I know what they talk about. And that's because I was there. Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting that you were talking about just going in at 15. And then, I mean, it sounded like that after that abortion, it's like you knew what you had just done that like, wow, this is, I mean, you kind of talked about trying to numb the pain of that decision. I mean, is that fair? I mean, you live with that for several years, right? Okay.
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Yeah. I mean, it's just an incredible story on so many different levels and I just can't help, but I'm over here in tears just hearing you tell that and just God's goodness and His grace and just thinking about God's patience with us and just how He was there all along and just even in those two years as you got pregnant again and just how God then
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I mean, it sounds like intervened in a very dramatic way and was using people, was using the church, was using your mom, grandmother, that Bible study in really powerful ways to communicate and express his love for you and just how transformative that was for you. Yeah, if it hadn't been for like the people reaching out to me, I wouldn't have believed God's love. I would have just thought like God's judging me because of what I'd done, but because people were willing to love me and people were willing to like,
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at the church, have a baby shower for this unmarried teenager. I mean, that made such a huge difference. And the cool thing is, I just want to add this in. So I started praying for a future husband. I'm like, okay, thank God. I'm gonna have this baby. And John and I, I met him at church. So when I started going back to church, and he was the pastor's son. So that pastor's wife would come over and pray with me, and I wouldn't give her the time of day at first. Now is my mother-in-law. Yeah, that's amazing.
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But I also wanna add, even after I fully believed in God and believed he had a good future for me and he gave me John, we got married when Cory was nine months old, so I had a son. Got married when Cory was nine months old, had two more kids. I still carried that pain and shame for so many years.
Healing Through Bible Study
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And it wasn't until five years later, I remember going to a new church we had moved from California to Montana and going to this church. And it was one of the very first services we were there.
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A young woman got up and she was in her 20s and she said, you know, I had an abortion when I was 19. I'm leading a Bible study for women that had abortion. And first of all, I couldn't even believe that she was like in the front of the church talking about that because my mom knew because she'd been there. My ex-boyfriend knew and I had told John before we got married and they're like the only ones that knew because I was so ashamed of it. I remember even a Bible studies when people would talk about abortion or it got all political or whatever. I just remember like
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feeling sick to my stomach and like if they knew they would hate me and so to see this young woman standing in front of the church I'm like oh my goodness I can't even imagine and I knew I wanted to go to that Bible study but like she announced it probably like four weeks in a row and you just sign up and there was no list there was no name it wasn't until the day the Bible study was supposed to start
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the end of calling her I'd kept the number I called her like I think I need to be there tonight she's like okay you know it was at the church I remember walking down that room and there's six other women there and all of them had had an abortion and just walking in and seeing their faces and like exposing myself this burden lifted like the Bible study continued to bring healing through the coming weeks but that moment where I walked in there and said yes this was me it was like this burden lifted that I had been carrying around for five years and trying to hide and
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feeling ashamed and feeling like people would hate me and we all told our stories and we're crying and bawling and hugging each other and it was just such a freeing thing to finally confess that to other people. I mean, I totally came home a new wife and a new mom just from even that first day. That's amazing. I'm so glad that you added that and shared that because I think it is so important when you think about
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And you know the statistics of the number of women in churches that have experienced abortion. And I think oftentimes we can sometimes talk about not, we're scared to talk about abortion either from the pulpit or just in general because we're
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we're afraid of hurt or sort of exposing the hurt that maybe a woman has experienced because of an abortion 5, 10, 15, 20 years ago. But I've always felt like that if we don't talk about that, what we're really robbing a woman of is the healing that's available, right? And so obviously we need to speak on that in very caring, compassionate,
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compelling ways, but what's at stake is certainly the life of the pre-born, but also the healing of countless moms who had an abortion or are still living under the crippling effects of guilt.
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Yeah, absolutely. I remember the first time I felt I was supposed to share my story. So I was supposed to be the one I like arguing with God like I do not need to get in front of this church. I'd like to pass. Yeah, I remember my knees were shaking my stomach was and that was really my first public speaking thing, which is just crazy in itself.
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But I mean, I did not want to do it. And I remember as I shared my story, like I could see the women's faces like all around the church, I could see that it was them too. And afterwards, sure enough, I mean, some didn't come up to me right afterwards, but you know, later they would come up to me and talk to me and I ended up starting a post-abortion level study. And then they, these other women found healing too. So like my healing and sharing my story connected with other people and then they've been healed and like one of the ladies,
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She had an abortion 30 years prior and she has been leading Bible studies. So this was in 2001 when she first came to my Bible study, she's continuing to lead Bible studies all these years. Like God has continued to use her. So it's just like, we don't want to share our stories, but when we do, we give hope to others. We can offer healing to others and then they can offer healing to others. And it's like the ripple effect of what God can do.
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when we're willing to step out and believe that He does forgive us. And that really was me just realizing like, I did this and God still forgives me. Like Jesus's death covered this too.
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you know, yes, it's like horrible. And yes, if I could go back, I would change it. But God forgives me and I can walk in that freedom. Yeah, so good. You know, I know you touched on this a little bit already, but but let's go back just a minute and talk about you really talked about the different people in your life that early on were again, you know, Jesus's hands and feet, they were
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they were tangible expression of God's love for you. And so, I mean, just kind of go back and share, I mean, what were some of those things that people did for you that you still today, now as a mom and as a grandmother, remember that was so important and meant so much to you as a teen mom? Yeah, I mean, for women to buy baby gifts for me,
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to celebrate my baby. And we had a baby shower before he was born. I don't know if it was a boy or a girl. And then afterwards, they would come and visit and they would come and see me and they would bring another gift and they would celebrate my baby. So even though he was born out of wedlock, he was still someone to be celebrated. And I think that was super, super important to me.
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And just the fact that like no one condemned me or said anything to me like when I came to church or would look differently at me. Now that wasn't true like at the grocery store people give me looks or I would get comments and people would say things but within the church walls everyone was kind and everyone you know wanted to know about the pregnancy and about the baby and they gave me encouragement. I think that helped me.
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So much and then even when John was interested in dating me I mean I was a young teen mom and his parents they had seen the transformation like I started coming back to church and I had they had seen the change in me and they're like yeah you should take her out and they could have said no we wanted something different from you or I mean he was a virgin he had been in the military and had led Bible studies and he was a leader in the church and like I
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They could have easily said like, this is not who we want you to date, but they like totally embraced me too. You know, so it wasn't just the church people, but even John's parents were so gracious to me as my mother-in-law. I mean, I love her so much. I'm so thankful that she was that type of person because you hear about these mother-in-laws and she's never been condemning. I mean, she's, which is such a blessing to me.
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No, that is so good. And, you know, likely there's going to be listeners who've either, you know, had an abortion or they might pass this episode on to friends or family members that maybe are outside the church and they're not currently following Jesus. And so I think what you said is so powerful as it relates to just how amazing
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the people of god really are how amazing the church is cuz i think sometimes in our culture and you know we have this this not that the church is perfect by any means but sometimes there's this false narrative in our culture that that the church is going to judge you and they are gonna condemn you that that you're gonna.
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You just have to walk through this on your own. And I'm sure that there are examples of that that exist in the world as it relates to the church. But I just love what you shared, just how the church wrapped her arms around you and loved you and met practical needs and didn't condemn you. And so I just I want to make sure that that point is not missed for listeners that maybe will be tuning in for the first time who maybe are struggling with not only their
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view on abortion, but just their view of the church. And I just think that's such a powerful reminder of just how good God's people are and how gracious God is and how gracious his people are. So I really appreciate you sharing that. I mean, in what ways has your personal story and just the experience of being loved and ministered to as a teen mom? And I mean, how has that compelled you now? Because you're very involved. I mean, you guys, I mean, you're sharing your story of how you've adopted and
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You've been a mentor, you lead team mops. I mean, there's all sorts of things that you're doing and involved in. And so how has your personal story and what seemed like something in your past that you just couldn't wrap your mind around how God would possibly bring any good out of that? I mean, how has that experience, your personal story really been redemptive and really compelled you to minister and serve other people?
Involvement with Hope Pregnancy Center
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Yeah, well, at first it started with, you know, I helped start Hope Pregnancy Center in Montana, which is so cool now because it's still going. They have a clinic now. They do free pregnancy tests and ultrasounds and STD testing. I mean, they have a mobile unit that goes on to Native American reservations. So I'm not even in Montana, but just knowing that, you know, I was one of three women that helped
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start that it's because once I realized like oh there is hope and we can be there for people and you know we can give them encouragement we can share our stories we can give them resources it just I wanted to get involved in that and then even with teen moms you know I live there in Montana or here in Arkansas it's just they need to know and
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that someone's there and we'll celebrate with them. And yes, here's a package of diapers and let me tell you about Jesus just in that way. But it's interesting because it even impacted our home. So our oldest adopted daughter, she's 20 now, she was away at college and she had an unplanned pregnancy.
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And so, you know, we found out when she was pretty far along and I'm like, why did you waste lunch? She was like, well, I know you would love me. I just was embarrassed to tell you. And I think one of the things I do want to mention is working in the pregnancy center, sometimes kids that do go to church are their most vulnerable for abortion because like for me, I didn't want my grandma to know like she was my church going grandma. I didn't want her to find out. I didn't want my schoolmates, but
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I think sometimes we think like if it's a pastor's kid, if it's a whatever, our parents go to church, they know better or whatever. They're more vulnerable. We found that a lot in the pregnancy center because they don't want people to find out. And so just talk to your kids and let them know, you know what?
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I have made mistakes. It might not have been the same mistakes, but in my life, I've made mistakes. Your dad's made mistakes. Everyone's made mistakes. If you ever find yourself in a situation, no, we'll still love you. We're going to be here for you. We might be shocked at the beginning. We might be even a little angry, whatever, but know that we're going to be here for you. I like to tell parents that because even our daughter, she would go and volunteer with me at the Teen Mom support group, and she still had a hard time telling me because
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And my grandson's almost a year old now, so we're so thankful for him, but kids need to know we are going to love them and we're not going to kick them out or whatever their worries are that we are going to be there for them. But really just for those who maybe have this in the past to realize,
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God can do amazing things with your life. Don't feel like you've done too much for God to use you wherever you are. God can use you. He has a good plan for you. He can use your story. And don't feel like that has to keep you bound for the rest of your life.
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amazing things can happen if you're willing to just turn it over to him and he does forgive you. Yeah, I love that. I want to ask you one last question. I know you've touched on it a little bit already. You were just talking about, you know, what you would say to somebody who, you know, either has experienced an abortion or maybe they have a friend or a family member that's in that place right now. They're struggling. They know that they've, maybe they have a daughter or son or a daughter or, you know, a granddaughter, whatever it is.
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are in that situation that you were in as a 15 year old or a 17 year old. And you kind of touched on that already. But what would you say to that person who knows a classmate or a friend or a family member that is in that place that you were in? Yeah. And I would say really just
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consider how you can be the hands of Jesus to them. I mean, we see over and over in scripture, Jesus was, you know, with the prostitutes and there is the tax bill. There's like, that's who he was drawn to because he just wanted to show the love of God. And Jesus was representing God to earth. And that's our job now. Like we are representing Jesus to the earth. And so think about like, if Jesus was here, what would he do? He'd be over there. He'd be talking to them. He would be supporting them. He would
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be loving them. And yes, if people are living how they shouldn't be like Jesus addressed that too, but only after he like let them know how much he loved them. He was there for them. So it is all about just showing and representing Jesus's love to people and they
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Once they see that you love them and you could build that relationship, then you could talk about the other stuff and you could share from your personal experiences. But don't go with condemnation. Go with love and everything will work out from there. No, I think that's such an important reminder to, like you said, always lead with love and move out from a place of compassion. I just love what you
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had said earlier that there really is hope. There really is healing. And I just think that there's nothing like the gospel.
Gospel's Healing Power
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There's nothing like the good news of just, you know, God's kindness and his goodness, his faithfulness and his forgiveness. And so I just I think it's such a reminder that if you have somebody that's listening today, if you're listening like God is for you, there's nobody on the planet that is more for you than Jesus is. And he loves you. He knows what you've walked through. He knows what you're in the middle of right now.
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and he sees you through the eyes of love and there is healing, there's restoration, there's hope. When we come to him and confess that sin, he promises to cleanse us and to forgive us and to restore us and to redeem us. And as you've been talking about, even use our story in his story in really powerful ways and your life has just been such an example of that. And so I just wanna thank you again.
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for sharing your story and it is just so inspiring. I know it's going to be a great encouragement to our listeners. Now really quickly, I know you've written about this in the past, but what is the book? Is it Walk It Out? Is that the book where you talk most about it? Okay. Yeah, so Walk It Out, it really is just times where, and it's all
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the radical result of living God's word one step at a time. It's where you look at God's word and it says, okay, you are forgiven. And then walking that out, like walking out that you are forgiven, you know, walking out that God has good plans for you. And so really just following my story with my crazy big family, just taking those steps of faith and believing what God's word says.
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does bring radical transformation to our lives.
Exploring Themes in 'Walk It Out'
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Yeah. Well, we will link to that book in the show notes along with your bio and where people can connect with you on Facebook and Instagram and at TrishaGoyer.com. And so Trisha, thank you again. We just love you guys. Thank you for your continued example. And so just really appreciate you taking the time to be on Root Like Faith today.
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Thank you, Pat. It's been great being here. Well, thank you very much. As always, you can go to our show notes on rootlikefaith.com forward slash podcast, and you can follow us on Instagram at Patrick W. Schwank and at Ruth Schwank or on Facebook. And as if I don't say it enough already, we are just so thankful that you are joining us and we welcome you into our family here at Root Like Faith. And so be sure to subscribe on Apple Podcasts so you don't miss an episode.