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Everything Actioncast Ep 636 “The Exorcist, Transformers, Hypnotic, Castlevania and More”
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This week on the Everything Actioncast, Zach and Chris talk about the first trailers for The Exorcist: Believer, Castlevania: Nocturne and more, the absurd twists and turns of Hypnotic, Transformers: Rise of the Beasts, Russell Crowe fighting demons in The Pope's Exorcist, the complicated history of the DC Animated universe and more.
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Transcript
Introduction to Hosts
00:00:03
Speaker
Welcome to the Everything Action Cast, the official podcast of EverythingAction.com. Hello and welcome to the Everything Action Cast podcast week of July 24th, 2023. I'm your host Zach. I'm your co-host Chris. And we have a bunch of things this week, so let's jump right in.
The Exorcist Believer Discussion
00:00:30
Speaker
And we will kick things off with some trailers and we actually this week got the first trailer for The Exorcist Believer, which is the new sequel to The Exorcist from Themic Warren Green. So he's tackling a new horror franchise. He brought us three very mixed results Halloween movies and now he's going to bring us, I believe also a new trilogy of Exorcist movies.
00:00:55
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but Blumhouse is like all in on David Gore Green remaking or like adding to like horror franchises. I'm not exactly sure he's the steroid that that franchise needs at this point, because Halloween. How Halloween, how he was how he ends and kills and ends were both I thought like kills was ridiculous, but it ends was terrible, but kills was kind of funny and it's bad. This ends was just bad.
00:01:24
Speaker
and was just bad. A lot of awkward choices. Focusing on that the new character that like the ship introduced in the first movie in the first movie of the new trilogy and built to it instead of just having to show up be like I'm the new Michael Myers. I'm a character that you just do not care about. I understand if they want to do like a legacy thing and
00:01:50
Speaker
It's not like a TV show season where they change writers or the show went to a different direction, you know, and want to try something new. This felt like that felt like a trilogy that felt planned from beginning to end. And along the way, someone got drunk, you know, and just sort of made shit up that didn't make any goddamn sense. Well, it felt like they said we're going to make a trilogy, but then
00:02:19
Speaker
They've ran out of ideas for the trilogy. The only ideas like one movie and they're like, well, we got to come up with two more movies. I don't know. I mean, you know, because kills is just like kills felt like so much more. Yeah. Like it was just stalling to get to the third one. And then the third one was like, well, they'll pay off the third one. They didn't pay off the third one. Yeah. Yeah. I don't mind kills in comparison, like you said. But I'm like.
00:02:48
Speaker
What they're doing now, that movie had a very model. I mean, almost all horror movies eventually have a model as timeline and characters where it just doesn't have to make sense. It just is long as they're there. So I understand picking up the pieces and trying something different, but.
00:03:10
Speaker
I know there is books about how to write a screenplay out there in the wild. And there are amateur sort of mythos that's like, Hey, this makes sense if you're going to do this. And there's like script doctors, you know, like there is ways to fix things. Well, it's also, it's also bad way too, because, because David Gordon green, when he works with Dan McBride and Jody Hill on like righteous gemstones. Brilliant. Like.
00:03:38
Speaker
That's the insane thing. That's the crazy part is within a comedy element with the right script material, it seems coherent and the story escalates naturally. So I'm not saying he's a bad director or writer or creative person. It just doesn't make sense that no one stepped in and went, hey, don't do that. Let's do this instead. So maybe he's learned that.
00:04:07
Speaker
Cause Exorcism go on too. We'll see in October with Exorcist Believer, which is going to pick up same sort of idea as the Halloween trilogy that we just got. It's a direct sequel to the original one and erasing all the other movies from continuity. Sorry Exorcist 3, which is actually pretty great. Is that the one with James Earl Drones? No, 3 is the one that has
00:04:38
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What's his name from like Patton? George, George. She Scott is like detective and he's and there's a new like demon like a demon it's also like killing people and it's like a It starts as like a serial killer movie or more. It's more like a serial killer movie where it's like he's trying to figure out What is causing all these like mysterious deaths and it turns out it's you know Because he was back and it's all this other stuff going on
00:05:06
Speaker
But yeah, it's actually it's actually a pretty great like like of this extra sequels. That's probably the best one. But then you get then you get into the weeds of like prelude. Was it prelude or like Dominion, the prelude Exorcist or the prequel to Exorcist? And then like there's like two of those. Allegiant or something like the scars guard was one of them.
00:05:36
Speaker
You know what I'm talking about? It's another prequel one. It stars the same father in his younger years. Well, there was there was two prequels that came out within like a year of each other. Exorcist the beginning and a dominion prequel to the exorcist. I think I'm talking about exorcist beginnings. It's the one where it's in Africa again. I just choose the one in Africa where James Earl Jones is a witch doctor.
00:06:03
Speaker
Yes, that's that's that's the second one. Yeah, that's the direct sequel. That's like where Linda Bear comes back and she's like a teenager now. And then they're trying to like you're you're cured. Oh, I guess not. But there is one where it's discovering the demon and how it's been affecting humanity. Somewhere. Yeah, yeah, I think that's the second one, because that's when they find out
00:06:34
Speaker
Pazuzu's name and they find out. Oh Pazuzu is the demon that possessed you all those years ago And that yeah, I think James Jones I think and I think James Jones is Either he's trying to fight. He's like a he's fighting Pazuzu or he's like the one it is like like summoned Pazuzu or something and
00:06:59
Speaker
I think I think he's trying to help. I think he's trying to help because his his like tribe in Africa. Dealt with it because it was before or something. But yeah, this new movie, it's yeah, so Jersey equal to the original. There are two girls who get lost in the woods. They come back and they're possessed, so it's it's a double possession and then one of the girls father.
00:07:29
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is looking for help, and he goes to Ellen Burstyn, who's back from the original as Chris McNeil. It's sort of like Laurie Strode, I guess, character coming from the original movie. And then trying to get classic, trying to get the extra demon to get him out, fight demons, all that classic stuff. You think there's going to be more than one demon or just one demon?
00:07:57
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It seems like it seems like they're setting up. It's like one demon, but it's I think both girls because there's that scene in the trailer toward the end where it's like. Oh, their heartbeats are synced up. And I don't I don't know if it's if it's going to be Pazuzu again. They haven't really met. They haven't mentioned. I think they I don't think they didn't mention this is my name, but I think they're kind of like hinting. It might be or might be a new demon.
Gen V and Castlevania Nocturne Trailers
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But it's it's got two rebels like the look like the look of the girls make it possess this very exorcist so. Hope I mean, hopefully it's better lives up to the exist and is better than the Halloween sequels and then there's gonna be a new one. There's gonna be a sequel I think in. Like a year or two exorcist deceiver is gonna be 2025.
00:08:58
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And I don't, I don't think, cause a lot of these Universal movies, they have like a peacock and theatrical release on the same day. I don't, I think this is the one that's just going to be theaters and they'll be peacock a little bit later on. Also, I hear, also I hear that title too. I can only think of like the Imagine Dragons song. Like a slowed down version of that in this trailer or,
00:09:27
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like it just it's to come on like uh we're on your express like that trailer like it cuts like the actual title it's like bam you made me uh you did i happen to murder the oriental express and a capella version of believer no it was just it was just the actual song but that was like the big like meme thing is it
00:09:51
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The whole trailer just built up to that. It cut to the title and it was the Imagine Dragons song. The whole meme was people making the trailers that cut the edit with that needle drop. I kind of remember that. It was so incongruous to a 19th century, early 20th century pro mystery.
00:10:19
Speaker
Yeah, I think parole would have listened to that. Magic dragons, yeah. Yeah, I just believer October 13th, Friday 13th this year and so you can check that out. And we also got a new trailer for the boys spinoff Gen V. Which is coming out in September on prime video, so 29th. And this is set at
00:10:49
Speaker
Godelkin University, which is a Vought International Run School for Supes. And young people with superpowers go there, train, and if they make a big enough impression, they'll end up, they could possibly be like a Vought superhero. Or maybe even if they're a huge deal, they could be a potential member of the Seven at some point, maybe.
00:11:11
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But the main character is Marie Barot, who is she has blood bending powers and she can cut it like she can like use either her blood or other pieces of blood and manipulate it to like as a weapon. A very brutal, like, like disgusting power. That's feels like totally in line with the boys universe. I feel like they stole that from Avatar. Yeah, wasn't that a thing? Was that in Avatar? Was it in like court like a jacora? I know I've heard. I know I heard that. It was like.
00:11:41
Speaker
It was like some like a forbidden bending power. Like no one should know should be able to do that or like no one should do that is a offshoot of metal bending. Yeah. Or like the iron iron. Yeah. And the idea is that everyone has blood so you can pretty much fuck up everything that is that has blood in it.
00:12:04
Speaker
Yeah, it seems very powerful. You could just rip someone's blood out of them and kill them. Right, right. I don't know. In her powers, it's only her blood. I think it's only her blood. It seemed like she could also maybe play other people's blood. I'm not sure. It looks like she has to cut herself to just get the blood going. So I don't know if she can rip it. If it's not already bleeding around the surface, if she can manipulate it.
00:12:33
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She I don't know if she can like rip it out of someone's skin like if you're just there's no cut or like no wound if you can't manipulate it. Yeah, she like a person. She cuts herself and then is labeled like maybe their blood after it comes out. So it's coming out. It's. Yeah, from the trailer you see she makes basically tentacles out of her blood. Yeah, almost like carnage. They basically made a carnage character, but. Something different. And this is a big change from the comics because the.
00:13:03
Speaker
The comic error is way different. The college that they have, and Hughie enrolls in it. It's the idea that Hughie is trying to investigate this corrupt practice and stuff. And it's a side story. It doesn't really play into the greater. It has really low bearings to the main plot of the boys comic. And this seems like it's going to be a mix of it.
00:13:33
Speaker
Because if they just do one season to tell the story, that's fine, but. Because I think the next season, the boy season four is the that's it. They're trying to wrap up the whole story with it. Mm hmm. Who knows that there's still potential spinoffs. Or continuation. Well, none of the actual boys are going to be on Gen V. There's there's going to be some characters from the main show, so like just Jesse T. Usher.
00:14:01
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Colby Minifee, PJ Byrne, Jensen Ackles are going to show up at some point on the show. But probably no, yeah, no Homelander, no, you know, no Butcher, no Huey. Oh, let's maybe it's like surprise and then like the pop up like last episode would be like, we're shutting the school down. Probably. That's kind of what happens in the comic.
00:14:26
Speaker
It seems like it seems like Clancy Brown maybe is like the principle or something or like runs the school in in the concept. Another thing is this reminds me of new mutant a bit. They basically made a better version of new mutant. Oh, like like the movie new mutants. Yep. Yeah, it's almost the same plot. Where there's people in the school. There's something that would write about the school.
00:14:53
Speaker
Well, here there's there's more than six kids at school. Like that was true. That was that was it. It was those six kids. That was it. Yeah, definitely definitely way more kids. There's like a whole competition aspect to it of like you get points for certain classes or certain. Like tasks and there's like so and then like freshman compete with like the upper class and the upper class like or like.
00:15:22
Speaker
We're the cool kids like we're going to become like superheroes and you're not like. And his whole like new new group that's coming in are going to be the main characters. But yeah, it looks very much in line with what we've come to know from the boys show, so definitely seems like you're a fan of the boys. Definitely check that out. On September 29th. And then last year for the week is we got the first trailer for Castlevania Nocturne.
00:15:52
Speaker
which is the follow up to Castlevania, the Netflix anime series. Which is jumping ahead to 1792 and the French Revolution and it's going to follow Richter Belmont, who is the hero of Castlevania Rondo of Blood and appeared in other games in the series after that. It's going to be a pretty cool origin story that has never really been seen before in the Castlevania lore because he just kind of showed up in Rondo of Blood and there wasn't really
00:16:19
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I mean, I'm sure it's probably backstory lore somewhere, but this is going to be kind of his origin story leading up to Rondo of Blood, I think. I was thinking of Maria Renard and fighting vampires in the French Revolution in France. Did you ever play Rondo of Blood? I played Dracula X, which is the inferior Super Nintendo version of it. Yeah.
00:16:48
Speaker
I mean, it's not too bad. It's super hash game and it's all done. Yeah, if you didn't know any better, you know, it's fine, yeah. Yeah, I think they had to call it down. Yeah, directly actually cut out anything a lot like the music to get cut down and they should get cut down like content to get cut down because obviously the cram like CD quality graphics and music into a cartridge.
00:17:19
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But the TV show looks good. It's more of the same. Yeah, same same animation style, like powerhouse animation is doing the animation again. So same style. They haven't really said the cast yet, although IMDB mentions a lot of like the. Like. Oh, do you cast a cast like Richard Armitage and James Callis and Graham McTavish?
00:17:48
Speaker
So it seems like maybe there's going to be flashbacks to like Trevor and Sypha and Alucard and Dracula, possibly. Or Dracula still be around. Yeah. Yeah. Also, if this leads into, if this is going to have multiple seasons, if they go into Rondo of Blood and then maybe eventually Symphony of the Night, obviously Alucard is going to be a huge factor in Symphony of the Night, so.
00:18:19
Speaker
It'd be cool to see a National Symphony of the Night episode, where it's really hard to do it. Season. Season, yeah. But I feel like we got previews of it already from the first season of the show. So I don't mind. I also don't mind if they keep on going with it and get to like Dawn.
00:18:48
Speaker
or clips, the one where now it's like futuristic and it's they're in Japan and it's now the resurrection of Dracula and a Japanese guy. It was a Game Boy Advance game. I don't know, it was really shocking that they ended the original series after three seasons and then they got to the news in which, okay, that's better.
00:19:16
Speaker
I think there's four seasons of Castlevania. The original. Yeah, I think so. Although, I mean, the first the first two seasons were like, what, two episodes each or something? It was like, yeah, it was like four episodes. And then they finally started extending them in like later seasons.
00:19:44
Speaker
But yeah, I'm excited. I mean, I think we're both huge fans of Castlevania. So if this is like same quality as that, this is probably gonna be a pretty awesome show. And definitely one of the best like video game adaptations up there with like Last of Us and stuff like that. I feel like Castlevania anime kind of was like the first big one of like, oh, this now like video game adaptations are good now. I feel that way too, where
00:20:13
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they respected the source. And besides a few creative choices, it still was a coherent story and the level of, I guess like homage of the original series and Easter eggs and references to some obscure things and tying it all together and then making it entertain for someone who doesn't know all of that. Yeah. It was pretty good.
00:20:41
Speaker
Characters show up that if you play their games, you know who they were, but if you didn't It didn't really break the game the story, you know, like as if the game where it's like random character now, who is this? They were good at that And I feel that that's in good trusted hands I'm not saying that everyone could do that. Not every show can easily do that without being some crazy crazy
00:21:13
Speaker
like info dump and just only cater to your fans or don't even use the respected. Material. I'm trying to think about like it's been a while since we had that. I think now when you make a view game based thing. They have to do it right or else they're instantly going to bomb. My one hope for Nocturne is that they get to. Actual Castlevania music sooner.
00:21:42
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Because that's what like everyone was waiting for for like the first one and a half seasons was like, where's the music? Where's the Castlevania music? That's such a huge part of the series. And when they finally had that huge fight scene with like, with actual Castlevania music going on, it was like, yes, finally, it's Castlevania. Like. There's there's meat in the wall.
00:22:10
Speaker
But yes, September 28th is when Castlevania Nocturne is dropping on Netflix, so definitely check that out when it comes out. And then moving on to some other news.
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles News
00:22:20
Speaker
Mutant Ninja Turtles Mutant Mayhem is coming out next week on Wednesday, August 2nd, and already has a sequel movie in development and a spinoff TV series, Paramount Plus series in development.
00:22:38
Speaker
So yeah, so before we even know how the movie is going to do, Paramount is greenlit a sequel with the same director, Jeff Rowe. And then it's obviously the same art style and it's going to continue whatever happens to me and ma'am is going to pick up in the sequel. And then there's going to be a Paramount Plus show called Tales of the Teenage Mutant Turtles that is going to feature episodes where each turtle kind of goes off on their own separate adventure
00:23:05
Speaker
either teams up with like different characters or does their own solo thing. It kind of it kind of sounds like like the original comics, but like way back in the day when the original comics did like the one shots where it was like Ninja Turtles, Raphael, Ninja Turtles, Leonardo. It was like an issue where it was just the one turtle and they had their own adventure. So it sounds it sounds like this spinoff show is going to be like similar to that, where it's like it's a Michelangelo episode. He's doing his own thing.
00:23:35
Speaker
It's not tell up, so he's doing his own thing. And the show is going to be 2D animation, so it's not going to be the 3D animation like, you know, Mitchell's machine style animation of the movie. It's going to be traditional 2D animation. Did they release any concept art yet? No, no, yeah, we have no idea what it looks like. They just announced that they're making that and the sequel today, so.
00:24:04
Speaker
With but two seasons already green lit, so there's gonna be a lot of a lot of tales of the Ninja Turtles coming up. And and the turtles voice cast like all the kids who are voicing turtles in the movie are going to be back to voice them in the show. That's cool. So yeah, hopefully hopefully it means ma'am is great and then we'll have lots more of that universe to dig into. I'm sure I'm sure we'll try to see it.
00:24:34
Speaker
Excuse we can next week or the week after. It's I think it's I think it's I think it's a real story out. I think it's like 95% on right tomatoes or something. So it's getting nice. It's getting very good reviews. I don't know. Maybe I'll go see haunted mansion instead. I heard that's a movie. Yeah. We haven't we haven't seen Barbie or a hot timer yet, but we're gonna go see haunted mansion.
00:24:59
Speaker
Yeah, a lot of other ones up there sing Barbie Hammer.
Box Office Speculation: Haunted Mansion vs. Barbie and Oppenheimer
00:25:02
Speaker
We are just in line that honey mentioned like like original merch from the Eddie Murphy version in the theater by yourself. I mean, we don't know if you hear this. It's out, but we have no idea like how it's going to do. I have a feeling it's not going to do that. Well, especially up against the continued dominance of Barbie Harmer Barbie Harmer, like it's just going to I think it's going to be like another Disney flop.
00:25:29
Speaker
I've got hope that if they keep playing it, and with the writer and actor strike, and it's the only thing in theaters for a while, it can sort of make back some money. Kind of like how elemental is now a success movie? Sort of. It did way better than its opening weekend would have suggested, because it's hung around for the entire summer. But the cost still is like, it hasn't made enough to
00:25:59
Speaker
break even or at least in the theatrical window, it's not going to break even or make its money back. Really? I somehow read an article or something, maybe it wasn't accurate, saying that eventually it did make some money back, but maybe not enough to make it financially stable. Well, it costs $200 million, and then you factor in probably another $100 million or more for
00:26:29
Speaker
advertising and all the promotion. So it's like, you know, $300 million or so. It's made $358 million worldwide. So I mean, it's not really that much profit that might even be profit that might be like breakeven. Like breakeven is probably like at least double. So it probably needs to make like $400 million or more to like breakeven.
00:26:55
Speaker
So it might limp to like possible close to brick even, but it's not going to, but it's definitely doing that. We kind of came up with the flash and they both were like, it was like the lowest opening ever of Pixar. And then the flash was also like a disaster that people were like, Oh boy. Movies are not back yet. Yeah. Now they are. They're back. Probably brought them back.
New Lando Show and DC Animated Announcements
00:27:22
Speaker
But other news, actually, I think breaking right before we started recording this week is there's gonna be a Lando to Z Plus show on, yeah, for Star Wars with Donald Glover and his brother, Steven Glover, writing it. And obviously Donald Glover back to star as Young Lando. Actually speaking of- A rumor of that being not a thing. It was like canceled or like bad news they didn't approve, but that's like real now?
00:27:52
Speaker
They were talking about it in like December of 2020. And actually speaking of Haunted Mansion, Justin Simeon, who is the director of Haunted Mansion was attached to write it and I think also like maybe direct episodes of it. And he he since left the project and now the Glover brothers are stepping in to write it. It's just going to be a crazy episode of Atlanta, but yeah.
00:28:23
Speaker
So obviously set some time between solo and. Or like post solo, I'd imagine. Or I guess it could be pre solo. I mean, who knows, but. But yeah, but it will be done clever like kind of run around doing young Lando stuff.
00:28:47
Speaker
Which, I mean, fine. He's probably one of the best parts of Solo. Orlando was definitely one of the best parts of that movie. The movie got better when he showed up.
00:29:10
Speaker
Yeah, no release date, no other details. They're just they're they're writing it. They're signed out to write it right now, so they're working on that. I'm sure they're probably working on that because they can't. They're not acting anything right now, so. But I feel is it a scam work if he starts writing something for this? If well, I mean they signed on, but I guess that they're not.
00:29:35
Speaker
If they can't actually write it, then they won't write until the strike's over. But they're signed on to, I guess, if the strike ends, they'll start writing it. Unless he's not in the writer's guild, then he's not breaking the strike because he's not in the guild. But I assume he would be. Yeah, I just feel as actors and writers teaming up to not do any work, it'd be weird if
00:30:02
Speaker
You know it's kind of like making someone on the production crew that isn't SAG certified or the Writer Guild certified. Is the Writer Guild also called a SAG? Well, it's the WGA, so the Writers Guild of America and then SAG after is Screen Actors Guild and American film and TV something actors or something.
00:30:26
Speaker
It's a great time for pretty much the janitors of the companies to get a new position. Yeah. Someone or script doctors who aren't any of those parts. Granted, that's how we got the influx of terrible reality TV shows, just people that
00:30:51
Speaker
Had no real creative writing in them, but they knew human drama. Well, you also you also can't. Like if a script is already written and you can start shooting. Well, they're not shooting because the actors are also strike like if the actors were on strike and they were shooting the movie with the script, you can't like you could not change the script until a strike with the strike was over because. You can't that's some of the right changes, yeah.
00:31:21
Speaker
You can write or write the changes, so you have to literally just shoot the script as is. Or, I mean, like last time, like Quantum of Solace and like Revision of the Fallen, all those terrible movies that came out at Post Strike, like they were just like, they had like an outline of a script, and that's just like, I don't know, we'll make it up. Or they had like non-guild scriptwriters write based on the outline or something. And that's how we end up with some questionable movies.
00:31:52
Speaker
quantum sounds like the end of like the was the second season of heroes I think or like heroes definitely got caught got caught that totally I caught it like the writer strike the first previous writer strike I think lost I think definitely got hit with that too they survived the whole strike though like they made it to the end of their show yeah yeah
00:32:23
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Well, there were there were shows that survived, but like there's definitely whatever season the writers guild strike was happening, you could tell like the quality just went down like. Yeah, hopefully, hopefully we get some more. We'll get some later news in the future. We'll find out what that show is going to be about. And then last bit news for this week is we found out I think it was that I think it was at Comic Con.
00:32:53
Speaker
for a DC animated panel or just a DC panel. But there's going to be a animated movie for Watchmen and an animated movie for Crisis on Infinite Earth. So like two of the biggest comic book stories of all time are getting DC animated movies. I feel like you don't really need an animated movie for Watchmen.
00:33:20
Speaker
Well, that's what I was thinking, because it's weird because there was the motion comic that was actually really good. Yeah, so it's like and that was I mean, and that would basically just like. Yeah. So so this new anime movie would basically be a slightly more animated version of the motion comic.
00:33:46
Speaker
And then and then it would just be like it would be like the comic version, not the sex lighter version. I guess so fall more line to the HBO TV show. You know, that's based on the comic. Yeah, giant giant squid. We'll get the giant squid this time, but not the Doctor Manhattan bombs. I didn't mind the Doctor Manhattan bombs. No, that was that was.
00:34:15
Speaker
That was yeah, that was a perfectly reasonable change. Like, I guess they did think that people were like, would like be able to take a giant squid. But then if like, but if you like a few years later, we get fucking Staro and Suicide Squad. So types of change. Oh, yeah. And then Christ and Infinite Earth is going to be obviously based on. The classic storyline.
00:34:45
Speaker
It seems it seems a little early for that because we were a little bit like a year or two into like the new DC anime universe because they ended it with like that big apocalypse war. That was like they're like Avengers. That was like their Avengers Endgame where they they wrapped up like the first iteration of the DC anime universe. Now we're in like a new rebooted universe. But now they're going to do like Christ of the Earth already. But are they can are they tying it into what's going on with the Flashpoint?
00:35:14
Speaker
Part two or? Is it going to be? Because yeah, it feels like a that should have been the climax to another arc, not or they had should have been not as introduction. Yeah, like. Yeah, because we're only. Six movies into like the new enemy universe like the the the universe kicked off with like Superman Man of Tomorrow, I think was or like was the first one. And then all the other
00:35:42
Speaker
There's been like a few like Warworld just came out this week. That's like one of the new animated movies. Oh, I totally not been paying attention to the rebooted movies. Yeah, because they had they had all the ones up to Apokos War and Apokos War like that was the end of that universe and then it basically restarted and then there's the what like the. Yeah, I think Superman Man is Tomorrow is
00:36:11
Speaker
the first one that was the first one of the new universe. All right, so. There is something called the tomorrow verse. That's that's the that's the new universe. That's the new universe. OK, so tomorrow verse. OK, I just I just never knew that there is actual word for this this timeline that they built.
00:36:38
Speaker
Otherwise, they call it the DC AMU, the DC Animated Universe, which ended, like I said, with Apocalypse War. And then, yeah, wow, they really get the timeline of Wikipedia between Apocalypse War. That was in May and then August, which is like, bam, we're back. Here's a new one. And then every third movie is a standalone. Soul of the Dragon, Injustice.
00:37:04
Speaker
Yeah, all those are like what ifs or like not in the like act tomorrow verse I guess Because the tomorrow verse is like Superman tomorrow Justice Society World War two long Halloween Green Lantern be wearing power Legion of superheroes and Justice League war world And then I guess Part of the tomorrow Yeah, yeah
00:37:33
Speaker
I thought that was part of like a stand, that was a complete stand alone, just because pretty much no one else shows up in that, besides Batman, you know? Batman is the only superhero in that one. Everyone else is a villain. And then. Yeah, so it's seven movies, which, yeah,
00:38:02
Speaker
It seems a little like nothing seems a little bit early to do like a crisis. Unless unless you're going to like they needed another superhero movie between that, you know, like they need it. So yeah, there's only one. There's only one Justice League movie. So we barely like establish this new Justice League for this new world. Last week, World War, World War World. Yeah, that's that's the first one. It's like Justice. That's the first Justice League like branded like tomorrow verse movie. Gotcha.
00:38:32
Speaker
there was Justice Society and there was Legion of Superheroes but there hasn't been a Justice League. This is the first one that's like a Batman Superman Wonder Woman Justice League movie for this new universe. Yeah but now I got a question about the Justice Society because isn't that like Golden Age version? Yeah that was that was World War II that was like Hawkman, Our Man, J. Garrick Flash. I see I didn't watch that one
00:38:58
Speaker
And I feel like I was confused just society with that other. Justice League movie that was where they fought World War Two again. New frontier. Yeah, that one that one's also weird, so I think that was also like not in this like standalone. That was that was his own thing too.
00:39:20
Speaker
Yeah, that's a standalone. Oh, and then Justice League Crisis on Infinity, Crisis on Two Earths was sort of there. Two Earths. Yeah. Now you're at all of them. And then only part of that is connected, apparently. So Crisis on Two Earth has its own timeline and then Doom sort of connects into that. Yeah.
00:39:46
Speaker
That storyline, but the doom storyline continues in justice league doom. And then it just goes away, then there's no more versions of that. So yeah, there's a couple of different timelines.
00:40:04
Speaker
Yeah, if you if you weren't aware of how the DC animated movies work and you just watched it straight through, you'd be like, you'd be like, wait, how? Because because it's like one of them is like in the Arkham universe. The Suicide Squad movies are in the Arkham universe. And there's like. Like the Dark Knight in the Dark Knight. Yeah. And then there's another turns. Don't separate thing. Yeah. I mean, it's like Batman Gotham Knights is so is the Nolan verse. Yeah.
00:40:36
Speaker
Even though that movie introduced you a whole bunch of questions that didn't make any sense in the Nolan verse. I still can't get over the fact that Batman invented like an Iron Man armor suit and it's too good that he's like I can't use this. Like OK, I want to get into it because it's still in my head is like a core memory.
00:40:58
Speaker
Uh, do you remember in this, that movie, there's a, the skit with the Iron Man costume where someone shoots at him. The bullet ricochets off the metal suit and hits the other like bank robber or someone and Batman gets guilt because of that. He's like, Oh, that bullet was like, I could have stopped that. I could have invented that guy from getting hurt from the bullet from the other guy. But granted Batman has used the bad guys as human shields.
00:41:29
Speaker
for getting hit. You know, I don't know why that was like he's he's throwing people into all the people's gunfire. Yeah. But that one time. And if it's if if it's the Nolan first Batman, he also was like to Raza Ghouli is like, I don't have to save you. Yeah. This didn't make any goddamn sense. And this is after letting Raza Ghouli die. Yeah.
00:42:00
Speaker
Also, I'm not even sure if the bullet actually hit his armor. He put like a bullet repellent thing on his thing, on his suit. It like had a magnet. They go into depth about this goddamn bat suit, and then he just abandons it at the end. He's like, I don't need it. That was such a weird like if they actually brought that actually into like Dark Knight or something.
00:42:26
Speaker
But it makes sense where if Batman is in a dire situation, he can't defeat them with just his wits and his mind, you know, or or something out of his belt utility belt. I've read. I mean, I'm watching like highlights where Batman will summon shit that makes no sense of why he has it. But he built a contingency where he built a mech. It's happened in other things.
00:42:56
Speaker
Was it Batman versus Robin, or Robin versus Batman, the Court of Owls one? He has a mech in the Batcave, just boom, mech. Who's this for? And then in the comic, there is a mech, I think he has two mechs. One is to stop him, that it activates, it's what he trains with, and also what he uses that as a protocol, if he ever kills, this mech gets activated and hunts down Batman.
00:43:28
Speaker
And that's in like a recent Batman comic. And then he has a mech that basically is an anti-Justice League suit that everything in the suit is designed to take out the Justice League. Because now that they know about like the Doom protocol, he needed something else. He needed something that wasn't going to be obvious. It was basically the whole contingency plan where the whole thing's made out of magic.
00:43:56
Speaker
uh is made out of it's it's blessed with magic so superman's power can't like fuck with it it has freezing abilities to mess with flash it has some yellow components mess with green lantern it has fire to mess with marlin martian and then it also has magic oh wait did i say that oh no yeah he found some sort of metal that can can like mess with uh wonder woman and like that's what he has in his basement
00:44:22
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He built that and it's like it makes sense for a brilliant strategist that have like this like death machine in his like garage just in case The his friends turn on him which happens a lot in this universe and in this story
00:44:40
Speaker
So yeah, no Batman can have a suit. I don't mind one day. Even the Batman, the Superman, he legit had an armor suit like yes with him. But that's that's one dark night return. That was like the writers. That was a classic Batman suit. Well, yeah, the Batman suit. Yeah.
American Gladiators Documentary Review
00:45:00
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Cold to see that basically he knew you take out Superman. He's not going to win in a regular fight.
00:45:04
Speaker
He needed help. And I could see basically one day having that incorporated, but not in a hyped up marketing scheme because we all knew that was going to happen. That wasn't a surprise from the movie. I kind of wish it was a surprise, but we knew that was coming from just like the first trailer. But how awesome would have been a big reveal to see that suit? And you go. Well, yeah.
00:45:34
Speaker
Well, so so watch me and Chris is in the nurse. They're coming out next year. And Watchman is is getting ready to R so that it's going to be a hopefully a pretty. You know. Faith lattitation of the Watchman comic. No, no, no, no, like definitely the same, but just yet the both next year sometime. And I think that's good watchmen into the tomorrow verse.
00:45:58
Speaker
And maybe maybe it's like the teaser at the end of something. Maybe they're part of crisis. Maybe like Watchmen comes up first. It's like the portal opens up to like the DC universe. Are they are all the Watchmen just in the DC like diagram just in the DC universe now? They're all like fighting Superman or whatever. Was it a whole thing of like like that was the whole like. U52. The second or third one that they introduced Watchmen as a.
00:46:26
Speaker
thing. I don't remember. I don't know if they're still around. I haven't watched all. I don't ever read a lot of that. There's definitely I remember I didn't read it, but there's definitely an event where like Doctor Manhattan was like the main like I don't know if he was the villain, but it was like he was behind everything of the events. From like using a different universe, but he's doing all the universes.
00:46:55
Speaker
Oh, he he created. He created the new 52. That's what like they revealed. He was responsible for Flashpoint. Not the flash. Which I don't think we'll see in this in this anime movie, but who knows? But that's that's gonna do it for this week. So why don't you jump into show and tell and Chris what he was watching over the last speaker so here. Uh, so.
00:47:24
Speaker
I've been I've finished that documentary on American gladiators. Yeah. Muscles and mayhem. That that that life tour episode is crazy. Dude, that whole last episode takes a like a God in mind return from what you expect the story to be and becomes so God in like emotionally gut wrenching. And sad like and it's like hopeful and respectable and then
00:47:54
Speaker
just sort of like it really emotionally plays with you. I kind of want to see an American Gladiator movie based on the like the story. Not just I mean, it's cool. It's like a like a dramatized like American Gladiator movie. Wouldn't you based on the that like I said, I think I told you before we talked about you kind of wish they were trying to explain the second version of American Gladiators, but I didn't I knew like
00:48:19
Speaker
This one focused so much about the original cast and it is very like at that last episode, you realize how corrupt the executive that is like starting the show is like that woman who just sort of goes, yeah, they saw the contract. Not my fault. They didn't read it. Like you really got like insane. She sounds and she justifies it by going like that's just the business. I don't like it's not my fault. Like it's a very like maybe she did say something positive or something.
00:48:49
Speaker
in a defense or sort of acknowledging that it wasn't the best choices to do that, to screw over your gladiators. But the edits or just how she speaks, there is no sense of pity or empathy about it, right? It just sort of comes off as that's just the business. These people are dumb for not reading the contract. I was just like so mad. Yeah.
00:49:20
Speaker
I needed like a minute to like resume Washington because it was it was probably it was probably at the time when they started it seemed like a good contract because they didn't realize how huge it's gonna be but then when it got huge it was a terrible contract and the guys said like absolute point of like it's our like our faces are on video games lunch boxes posters toys and we're not getting any money from it you're just using our faces and you're getting all the money for it
00:49:52
Speaker
And then there's so much bodies and their minds destroyed. Yes. And there's like, well, you're fired. You're fired. You're fired. You're fired. Yeah, we'll bring it. We'll bring it like terrible, like knock off. That's why it's crazy when that.
00:50:13
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that woman at the end, like the executive, sort of goes, yeah, he made his money, blah, blah, blah. And then she probably did start to talk about the second version of the show. And then the producers were like, we're not interested. Like, nah, nah, nah, we're not giving you more screen time to promote how awesome you are. No, no, no. I have that feeling. I was judging from the tone of the first few episodes up until the end. I know I was curious to know how that started and what's up with those guys, but no, no.
00:50:43
Speaker
When they said like we were American Gladiators, like it ends in such a like Hollywood like tone. I was like, oh man, so cool. I want to hang out with Nitro. Yeah. They kind of hit it, but I was like they hit it a little bit, but I would have liked to see more a little bit more. I think I mentioned like last week, but like the kids version, because that was such a weird thing. And then also the international version, because like they mentioned on
00:51:11
Speaker
Like I think the last episode was like the especially like the UK version was gigantic. It was it was like even bigger than American version. I think it was I think it was just because it obviously wasn't American writers. I think they just call it gladiators. But I mean, that might be its own documentary itself. It's just like these gladiators, spinoffs and like the international versions and stuff. Find find those guys, find those, find the British gladiators and talk to them.
00:51:43
Speaker
Yeah, the the reason why these people became gliders is interesting because it's not just randos. They just pick. It seems like they had to be athletic. So it was. What was the thing with? Because that one like guy who was like the. Contestants like the bald guy. Yeah, he like a resting guy or something. Oh my God, what a weird he was. He was a drug cartel mule or something or yeah.
00:52:12
Speaker
He basically after gladiators then just like you thought he was be this wholesome like country guy and everything and he just, you know, did gladiators and retired on a farm. No, turns out like he uses like he knew his skills of like how to hide shit and became a coyote like, uh, yeah.
00:52:33
Speaker
the human trafficker and then drug smuggler gangster and then he did years in jail but because he did it got caught in Mexico and then because of his one or two times in American gladiator on film because that was really popular in Mexico he had treat cred like the jailers then the people in the jail respect like the prisoners was like what like that's like nothing like
00:52:59
Speaker
It drops at that last moment. It's so much a take in that it goes up and down between where are they now? What's up with the gladiators? Some are contestant than this guy who's just the outlier of just, okay, so what happened? And then it's like, yeah. And then I, you know, he's like, oh, I tell people my story. I also have like five kids. And I was like, and he's like, and then he's like Christian. So I was like, what?
00:53:26
Speaker
that guy's like a movie character that just stepped into this and then this whole thing about that they screwed him over because he didn't want he didn't want to shoot another show so you're like well okay then you're or like you know
00:53:45
Speaker
I forget what I forget what it was, but like they want I think it was because they want like they're going to do like another show or like more shows and he's like, well, I don't want to be here anymore. It's like, well, all right, then we're going to come up with like, we're going to like give a couple of like a bunch of like fake penalties and you lose. So. Oh, he was too. I have my understanding was that. I didn't know that the contestants stay on for a while. I thought it was pretty much like. Well, they want the other. You know, like the woman who like why like she was on like
00:54:13
Speaker
I mean, six times or whatever. She's like like on it constantly and like was winning constantly. She's like the greatest success in the history of my gladiators. Yeah, from my understanding for her, she was. Just like a natural athlete, and yeah, I'm sorry, especially to make her a gladiator at that point, she's if she just came back to winning all times, like make her a gladiator like.
00:54:41
Speaker
I feel like that, that should be fair where after, if you're the champion, you get to join them. Yeah. And then you pretty much are in it and then you can leave when you want, but joining them is sort of the goal. And then it's, then you're part of the gladiator. That's what it was.
00:54:59
Speaker
But I guess if you're not, if you're not like a bodybuilder, you want to do like steroids and stuff, then maybe that's not what you want to do. Yeah, granted, it's a horrible work schedule, let alone the consequences of being in there so much. Because basically they had to take roids or else the body was going to break down. And other stuff like whatever that like.
00:55:27
Speaker
The one thing that you mentioned that like the painkiller thing that they took to that wasn't was actually covered, but it's basically like oxyco in. I wonder if it's just like everyone like like numbs like the muscle. Oh yeah, the injection thing. Yeah, I forgot about that. It's like oh, it's like it's instant relief and get rid from the next match tomorrow. Yeah. I think that was like the tour episode because they had to think that they started to get on a tour. Also, they were like never make it to the tour.
00:55:58
Speaker
The tour made him so much money, but not the gladiators like the, but I guess the expense to drive around with eight trucks and move all the equipment was really bad. Yeah. The, um, but the big thing for me was like, Oh, you can do this like regional. I'm surprised they haven't figured out how to.
00:56:20
Speaker
I don't know, do like if ever if they ever want to make gladiators again, just have like a state thing where every state gladiator from America and then just kind of start eliminating who's the best. We have Ninja Warrior, but we only do Ninja Warrior anything in L.A. So you have to go to L.A. You have no one to compete against. You just compete against the time. Yeah. I love that they combine the concept of Ninja Warrior, but there's a gladiator randomly.
00:56:49
Speaker
shows up and fucks around on like the course. I think we need a documentary now about some of the other like shows like we need like a Battle Dome documentary. Did you ever see Battle Dome, Chris? I don't remember Battle Dome. Battle Dome was American Raiders, but they made it more like wrestling where it's like Terry Crews was one of the guys on there and it was very like they would have like promos. They would cut promos like a wrestling thing.
00:57:18
Speaker
But it's but they would do like gladiator challenges. So it was like in this very like it was like a mix of like Debbie W in America editors. OK, they played up and then they also had like scripted like scripted like stuff of like, oh, they're having a feud and then they even brought in like Debbie was like like it was like a crossover between like Beldam and WCW for like a while. So there's more like season long arcs of like, oh, this guy hates this guy.
00:57:48
Speaker
But they're also have to like fight it, but they have to like do like. You know the wall or whatever. Yeah, there's regular contestants there, but then. There's also Ted Cruz yelling at a guy because he steals girlfriend or something. Damn. Yeah, what was Ted Cruz was yeah, he was tea money.
00:58:17
Speaker
Yeah, look up. Look up. Belladomes that was that was like I remember that was on UPN when I was little like like Saturday afternoon or something. OK, I mean, I there was like it's cool to see more documentary things that aren't just typical like.
00:58:34
Speaker
ESPN style just hey here the highlight reels and here's some awesome facts and that's it well I'm definitely curious to see because there is a 30 for 30 American gladiators one which I've not watched yet I'm curious to see how that is different from this one I Think I think what I've read is that that one folk there's not I think there's definitely like gladiators interviewed but it's more about like the producers and like the battle like about who actually created good American gladiators and
00:59:02
Speaker
Because I guess there's like a few between like was that Jerry for for era like the Elvis guy and it's some of the people that created it and there's like this like never like argue about who actually came up with the concept and like who was the concept something that makes sense. That's probably the more like.
00:59:18
Speaker
Authorized version of the story where this was the unauthorized so they can kind of whatnot is that Jerry for like I'm not sure is he still alive alive, but like Yeah, but if he's still alive that he definitely was like he obviously was not on this a bigger gladiators episode or documentary so
00:59:47
Speaker
Well, because they're like, hey, we want to like all this. He's all like, I would see that guy imagine. No, that guy does not want to talk about it. And a quick Google search says. I think he's alive still. But he's only done American gladiators. He has not produced anything else. Yeah, he's still alive. He just lives in Vegas.
01:00:18
Speaker
I'm sure they probably went to him there and he's probably like, hell no, I'm not going to do like. I mean, he got his money. He retired. Yeah. And then he opened up a whole bunch of gems and that's it. And then now, actually, no. And I'm looking at now. Now he's trying to sell a movie based on American letters like he's trying to say you're dramatized version. Yeah, yeah. But.
01:00:50
Speaker
Or I don't know. It's like he's trying to make a movie. He might be trying to make a movie that is like American gladiators, sort of like a post-apocalyptic concept. Oh, my God. I'm like reading this. I'm like, what is happening? If Nitro stuff was in it, I'd be I'd be down for it. It was actually all the American gladiators. It's like, yeah, I'm fine with that concept. You know, it's it's silly enough and it's like,
01:01:17
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You know, I could see a gritty reboot idea. Just it's the Thunderdome. Oh, you can book him. You can book him. Oh, man. If you're if you're yeah, he can travel from Vegas to your whatever. And then you could book him like I just found like a
01:01:47
Speaker
Speaking site where you can hire speakers and he's one of them and I'm reading his contact info So my birthday's coming up in a few months a personal appearance of Jerry Ferrer just seeing him just motivate us and talk If I can do it you can do it like I kind of message Johnny Yeah
01:02:21
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But yeah, anything else besides muscles and mayhem, Chris? So I. I saw I watched Hypnotic. Yes, on your review of it, your glowing review that you know, I'm going to.
Analysis of Hypnotic: Plot and Reception
01:02:37
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I don't know if it's glowing. I like I said it was insane. I definitely need to be seen to like be believed.
01:02:44
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about like crazy it is. It totally is. It totally is a you have to see it to understand what's going on. And even when you watch it, you can't believe what's going on. Mm hmm. So. Yeah, hypnotic. Sports for sports for hypnotic. Yeah, because really you did a good job by not giving it away because the movie having, I don't know,
01:03:13
Speaker
four acts or more, depending on how you want to approach it, is insane. And I feel this movie shouldn't be called hypnotic. It should have been called like domino or something. Yeah. Or, or, or, um, the division, because everything about the naming in this movie seems so generic and, and, and a derivative word from something else that probably is better, but
01:03:41
Speaker
this is just like a bonkers like idea that is I think makes sense as a TV show if you groomed it out better. Right? Like I think there's ideas are a fun concept. I just don't think it works well as a movie. So I think well, I think hypnotic, like most of the movie is probably the closest things like a Christopher Nolan title, because this whole movie is trying to be Christopher Nolan, but but it's but it's
01:04:10
Speaker
stupid. It makes no sense. Like it's trying to be it's trying to be inception but inception like makes sense. It lays out exactly what the rules are. It's like it's like a very understandable. The rules. Yes. Even if there might be some kind of it's actually not like a part of the movie. It's got potholes. It's got like some creative liberties to sort of make sense. Fine. You know, it's not. Bizarre.
01:04:37
Speaker
Yeah, but like, yeah, it's like everything with like the levels and like how the time works in different different levels. That makes sense. They lay it out very well. This is like you go through like the first half of the movie and you think it's one thing and then you're like, nope, this is actually the rules are only in the first half. It's like every half hour there is something. Yes reintroducing the first. It is always only like an hour and.
01:05:01
Speaker
30 minutes, yeah. So it really, as I'm saying, there's three acts, three, you can feel distinctively when one part ends and there's a whole new reintroduction and then another reintroduction. So if you told me this was made by a no-name director, I would believe you. But the fact that Robert Rodriguez made this movie, it's just weird.
01:05:29
Speaker
With none of his like flair or style or anything. It's just it's like him. Just yes. If you're trying to make a Christopher Nolan movie like they said, like make it make it look like Christopher Nolan. Don't put any of your don't put any of your style or character into it. Just make it look like a Christopher Nolan movie. I mean, he hired his friends. He brought over some character. Yeah. Like he's like the only like he's like he has to show up. I'm shocked. He's a braga is a braga. Yeah.
01:05:57
Speaker
Yeah, she was from predators. So it's like, yeah, you worked with him. Probably Jackie Errol Hurley. He probably worked with him at one point or probably. I'm shocked. I'm shocked a trail didn't show up. I'm shocked. Why was that not a construct? Just say, hey, why is Danny Trego here? It's like he's not here. Like there's a scene. This is like a scene at like a tree house tacos or something.
01:06:25
Speaker
Yeah, I think so. This is a great taco. It's like, you're not really eating tacos. Whoa, it's a contract. When did this happen? Whoa. Fantastic. If he's like, he thinks he's eating a taco, he's eating like a cardboard, like cut out of a taco or something. Or just air.
01:06:43
Speaker
So okay, before we go further into the whole concept of the reality thing, let's get into the plot. But like, do you want to go over the overarching plot? Because I feel like now is the perfect time to explain it. Because we've heard the episode before it's just Zach only gave just the first level plot. Now we can get in the whole big reveal of what like the whole movie was about. And it's insane. Okay, I'll go first.
01:07:10
Speaker
So the main plot, the one that just rip away from the bullshit trailer, rip away from anything the marketing material has said. The movies about a world where basically psychics exist and the two most powerful psychics had a beautiful psychic baby that they basically are going to make an Akira.
01:07:33
Speaker
Yes, like they were like we made in a cure baby. OK, they work. They work for the division. Oh my gosh, such a bland name and the division all dressed like everything they wear is red. Did you notice that in the stupid nursing room and then the doctors and then the delivery room and then the the like the flashback were like Ben Affleck and Alice Braga are in like the blazers.
01:08:03
Speaker
The blazers is hilarious. It's not like that's their business casual. That's just what they wear all the time. Like no matter if it's a military op, if it's a exam, if it's a casual Friday at work, just the dumb red blazers that is just low production costuming. I would rather not have the blazers then. Yeah, it makes it look like they're like ushers or
01:08:33
Speaker
like fancy pages for like a theater. Like, oh, here's your seat, sir. But if you tell me in the John Wick universe that the red blazer guys are another like faction, a gang. Yeah. It makes sense. Like they look like guys you would see in the background of an action movie that get picked off and they basically in real production time, they're just trading the blazers to the next actor, right, to save you costs. Yeah, that makes sense.
01:09:01
Speaker
This this is supposed to be like a covert op. Like government. Are they I don't know what they even. What are they because they never explain anything they do besides try to like manipulate Ben Affleck. They do drop like two lines where they said.
01:09:22
Speaker
they are responsible for guiding and influencing major political and economical changes in the world. That's sort of what the division does. They want free will. There is a stupid, stupid subtlety about free will and commercialism and choice and
01:09:51
Speaker
almost like an allegory to less government interference. Did you get that vibe? It's almost like they lived. Well, it's it's it's in this construct. So it's it's maybe not even real. But like, there's been a ghost when they go to like the hacker guy. And then there's like all the like
01:10:18
Speaker
events that the hypnotics have been a part of on the wall, like newspaper clippings and stuff, or it's like the computer screen of like, here's all here's I've been tracking hypnotics, here's all here's everything I've been involved in, including like 911 and stuff. It's like, yeah, essentially, that's what SI apps are. It's a commentary. I think that's on. I mean, to me, this makes more sense if it was better handled.
01:10:42
Speaker
because it's how you influence people by doing something that normally is a little out of left field in order to influence like the true goal. And they call it PsyOps just because it messes with like your psyche. And that's like a real thing to some degree. Marketing does that all the time. You know, it's sort of like people say the buzzwords and then it's like you subconsciously do it. It is sort of hypnotizing.
01:11:11
Speaker
It really does work on susceptible people or sort of people in that moment, in that category. This is like ideal things. And that's just kind of how humans are programmed, you know, like where suckers were certain concepts and concepts that really draw you in to do something. So fine, right?
01:11:36
Speaker
Granted, like me and Yuzek, we're both action fans. We're prone to watching action movies, regardless if they're good or bad. It's just like, okay, this is for us. And if a company targeted us, that's just what happens. You're targeting marketing. So you just know your demographic. But it doesn't even do that well to
01:11:57
Speaker
get deep with the concept, right? It's sort of just, it's sort of like a play around concept that I feel like they stumbled in and just, oh, shit, like, look, an allegory. Anyway, anyway, let's keep going. Like, that was an accident. We didn't mean to like, we didn't mean to trip into like how marketing works. But here's the insane thing. A movie about tricking people and influencing their choice didn't do even a good job on tricking people to go watch it.
01:12:27
Speaker
Yeah. That's crazy. You know, it's a high concept movie and they didn't think it was too high concept that no one could just walk in and watch it. And I'm pretty sure, you know, the reviews, the fan reviews and everyone that's also seen hypnotic saw the first half and was like, it legit up like the second twist of the movie and went fuck you movie. Like you're not clever.
01:12:56
Speaker
Because even when you do the big reveal, and it turns out that Ben Affleck is also a sigh up or hypnotic. And it comes off confusing because that means in the movie, like I think we talked about this earlier, Zach, where the villains purposely put hypnotic in the in the word into the guy's mind because at that point, he did not know what hypnotic was.
01:13:24
Speaker
He unlocked it by accident. Yeah, but it's like in Alsparaga intentionally erased each other's minds so they went reveal where their daughter was. But the one person. Knows what hypnotic is and so got reprogrammed by the bad guys, but it's not really shown how she got reprogrammed. It's just it's supposed to be that it was in a minute. Or that's probably the plan the whole time is like keep her in the division and then yeah, you didn't know that.
01:13:55
Speaker
He okay, at the end of the movie, it's revealed that they were so they had a plan, everything was into their plan. Yes, so kind of makes sense. Later, see that now this is the thing. We're I'm doing gymnastics sort of explaining bad plot, where he purposely wiped her mind to like a good point, where
01:14:19
Speaker
When she reached, she gets reprogrammed by the hypnotics, which you don't see really. You're just, I have to assume from just really quick dialogue, very fast dialogue. It's like a one line and forget it thing. So that basically she's now hunting and trying to trick Ben Affleck who has also wiped his mind, but not completely because once he can get like the key trigger word, he goes back to normal where like she was completely wiped and had no idea about the trigger word or anything. She was like,
01:14:49
Speaker
She was unaware, like the audience, I guess she's supposed to be the audience character, right? However, the problem is, is that like, it sort of then makes sense in the beginning where she keeps saying, oh no, maybe she's because she's the one who tells Ben Affleck what hypnotics are. So it's not like William Fickner showed up and went, you're hypnotic. It's like,
01:15:16
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it was like a joint thing between her character and William Fittner's character. So did she plant the idea to keep bringing hypnotics so that hopefully one day he can remember what hypnotic is and like make it a deep seated memory? That was a subtle part of the plant, like the daughter's plan the entire time is to make her say like- I have no idea. It's just hypnotics. But like I can, oh, okay.
01:15:42
Speaker
All the dumb plan that the that Ben Affleck and Alicia I mean that yeah, Ben Affleck and Alicia Barga had and then the daughter had like another plan that was sort of a spin on their plan. That was the master. That was the master plan. It was the daughter's plan because that was the whole master. Like her plan was to like end game everything. Yeah, it's to wait for her to get stronger. Somehow like Jedi training just Jeff Fahey's is training your like.
01:16:10
Speaker
Yes, yeah, you should you should buy powers. And that yes, there's a lot of like giant holes. It wasn't like she was being trained by another hypnotic. It wasn't like she had like a rebellion group to like go to and help. Just she sort of did this on her own.
01:16:30
Speaker
So she said a lot of dominoes just kept saying dominoes. Oh, my God. See, if she. Yeah. So she set up dominoes. And again, I think the movie should have been called like dominoes or there probably is a word for the first peg in a domino that sets off the chain of events. Right. There probably is some sort of weird term or some German word that they could have used besides hypnotic, because it they thought that word around like it's something really like
01:16:59
Speaker
like a superhero thing or like a agency thing. And the rules for how this works makes no guy aim sense. I get the daughter of being a brilliant strategist. It actually is a brilliant plan for her side, right? However, the bad guys' version plan is so dumb, but their whole thing is using your brain and having different brain waves. And they could figure out this thing and their whole gimmick is figuring out
01:17:29
Speaker
things is it doesn't matter if you're like a psychic. If you have no plans or no kind of like intellect or strategy, you're just a person who knows all these things. We have no idea how to put him together. You know what I mean? Like you have to be very creative and then also have like a good tactical mind to think about like the possibilities. Well, they just keep making it more and more complicated of what they can do, what their power sets are.
01:17:59
Speaker
If it was just like Purple Man from like Jesse Jones where like you tell someone something and they have to do that thing. Or they believe that thing that's that's that that that could have been like the only power they have, but then they have like inception powers like they like manipulate the world. So it's like but at like one point like sees like trains on the in the in the sky like the world warps around him and then they can make like matrix style like fake realities. Yeah, and mind wiping almost like a Rick and Morty like
01:18:29
Speaker
reality bending kind of bullshit like oh no it's been a time like it's been a dream the whole time it's oh my brain only sees this right now meanwhile everyone else is just staring at them waiting for them to like do the next move yeah yeah they did a terrible like like South Park when they had like the psychic battle like it's been like Ben Affleck and like wavefickers like staring at each other while like like the screen vibrates I okay
01:18:57
Speaker
So the hypnotic thing, I could not figure out how it works. Because it seems like, does it work only when you look at the person? And then it's like, yeah, up until a certain point in the movie, then it's just, as long as you're near them, you can give off the brainwave, I guess, that like, you wouldn't even be aware of them. You can just set it off. So if you enter the domain,
01:19:21
Speaker
of that yeah because the bank the bank heist thing is like makes perfect sense like willy-fitter is like walking in telling people different things and they're doing that those things yes but then it's a chaotic suggestion makes sense if everything is sort of physically uh real and not mentally like the the true thing that ben afleck is seeing like in his version you know like i i
01:19:44
Speaker
It's so guy. I'm stupid to explain that, but yeah, cause we think cause later when we figured like in the train yard stuff, he's just like standing there silently, like staring at, but I feel like like just like, like, I guess generating hypnotic waves at him or something. And that's why, but I think it's like seeing like crazy visuals and put these up, but then he has a mental block that's like for this daughter put on him. It's protecting him, but it's like, but only lasts a certain amount of time because when I figured so powerful or something. Yeah.
01:20:14
Speaker
And then some of the contract rules where if you have an outline or certain key, like one or two key things sort of representing like whatever building or a person or an action, your brain fills in the blank because that makes sense with the whole suggestion thing. But like the purple man, he can only suggest what he sees. He can't really
01:20:45
Speaker
Suggest something that you know me if you need and for that it's very simple. His thing is go do this. Alright, I don't care what happens. Just go do it right. This is very complex in terms of.
01:20:57
Speaker
the world building they they hypnotically suggest it to Ben Affleck in his brain like hey you're a cop you look like this you dress like this you know this much information they basically he's building the whole story he's in the he's basically in the matrix like he's in like the he's in like the matrix he's in this like all the reality but then yeah
01:21:18
Speaker
But then, but you see, it's like, oh, he's just walking around a shitty backlot. He's walking around. Rodriguez is like half like not set up backlot, driving around in a golf cart, tapping metal like. And then I don't know. The thing is, I guess, crazy. Well, the one thing like he's when he first like wakes up, he realized like, oh, I was in that I was in a fake reality. He's on like a bed like he's he's on like some sort of like device bed thing.
01:21:48
Speaker
Which that should have just been the thing like, oh, they tried to this device that made him think he was like in this other reality. But then they show you like, no, no, no, he had to walk actually walk around and like do things for the like construct. Yeah, it's a very big like production that it just seemed like a giant waste of money and time for this division to make them do. Can you imagine?
01:22:15
Speaker
you're you are a hypnotic person and in order to unlock the super hypnotic you have to pretend for 12 takes about this daily life in generic city you know it's like all right you gotta stand here i gotta pretend to read the newspaper so that like you know danny can put
01:22:34
Speaker
freak out and do this move and you know like it's like it's like it's like hey Jill you're the we're like you gotta take your shirt off every time because we're gonna tell you it's hot you have to like walk in the middle of the street and like have cars scratch around you. You gotta make sure Ben Affleck sees you. Or else none of this works. Again we can dissect the small details about it but the the basic plot line is crazy. However
01:23:03
Speaker
I could say that this movie probably would be better in a comic. Like if you can if you can explain things and figure out maybe a coherent. Like explanation of the whole concept, not just rushing the last 10 minutes of the movie to explain everything. I think this would be would have been better, but I think the side.
01:23:30
Speaker
definitely cut out cut some of the like like more complicated like make it less complicated like just make it like simplifies a lot of stuff because a lot of it's just like a hat on a hat on a hat of like oh there it's a construct but then it's actually Ben Affleck's plan but it's actually his daughter's plan it's that but actually he's a hypnotic it's like this could like this could be adding like all this other like extraneous stuff onto it
01:23:59
Speaker
They could have from that fact that that concept has so much like excess that it doesn't have any emotional impact to anything. Like the movie where it's really it's really just William Victor is like a super powered evil hypnotic guy. And but I think is actually a cop and he's actually trying to touch him down. That would have been like a perfectly fine movie. If the twist at the halfway point is that that's all lie and then you get this other version. Fine with that, too.
01:24:29
Speaker
But having it be some triple quadruple bullshit master plans that keep colliding and really rely on just dumb luck. You know, it's like yeah, it's like you thought you thought your plan. Your plan is actually my plan that I set in motion. Years ago with my daughter who is her plan is the master plan and you you're all just like.
01:24:59
Speaker
All you ever see that you guys are doing is part of her plan. And then. Yeah, I get when fitners bumble like it like the degree where the division is this like covert thing and it's just like they got tricked so easily. And I don't even need to even be getting a super sigh like a Messiah.
01:25:26
Speaker
hypnotic person that they're like, oh my god, this is gonna be like the ultimate weapon. They couldn't get their own shit together. You think they're gonna show the ultimate weapon? Yeah. That part was weird. But it's definitely worth watching at least once to just experience how crazy of a like this should have been a trick DVD movie in terms of
01:25:52
Speaker
what actually like plot wise happens because it just seems like a arthouse sci-fi movie but it's got a full production and it looks okay at times it has sort of different tones especially when uh they're in the bunker and it becomes like a neo-noir kind of like film for like a split second
01:26:15
Speaker
We're bad. I think is like constantly like in the force of not to murder else. Yep, yep, just like a knife. Do you think they actually had sex and everyone had to sit there and watch? See, that's what we just introduced so much weird like, wait a minute. It's just like they're behind like a glass just like, yep, all right, this is happening. This is the fall time they've done this. Yep.
01:26:41
Speaker
And then William Figner has the language. Yeah, we up until this point you always break free. Like we've done this 12 times and we're going to do it again. It's just like. What? Try something different. Don't tell don't don't give me enough like the idea of hypnotic. Just have them have ever tend to be an awesome cop. But a sad a sad cop so. The thing I don't understand is that. The.
01:27:12
Speaker
The daughter's plan was to send herself a photo of back when she was six. Right to the division so that they would chase at they would show Ben Affleck and then have him. Do this again.
01:27:28
Speaker
Well, she sent it to. She said that Ben Affleck sent it to the division because it's like she sent it to the division with the photo. The photo is like yeah, then the division is like, oh, this is a clue from Ben Affleck's daughter, but we don't know. This is a clue to like where Ben Affleck's daughter is. Domino is. But then we need to we need Ben Affleck. We need to trick Ben Affleck into telling us like trying to figure out what it actually means because it just says like find Lev Del Rain or whatever it says. So.
01:27:57
Speaker
But the picture is actually the trigger. If it if it sees the picture, then it triggers his like memories to come back eventually. And then he's like, oh, I know what this means. I'll go get my daughter. But the cost of us have been showing him that photo 12 times and now finally took the 13th. Yeah. Because I don't I mean, I might have not paid attention to my brain was turning off.
01:28:24
Speaker
But when he realizes that he's being in a, he is being tricked, he kind of breaks out of it somehow. Like they don't explain how he was able to break it. He just sort of does. They're like, how? Because they started over again. They said, but they, they show you the beginning of the movie, but they show you like the shitty version that he was actually in where he's like not in the cars, in a golf cart, just like driving around the back lots. And then, but then yes, somehow he's like, oh,
01:28:52
Speaker
he was he was still aware that of of like his powers everything this time he actually got out somehow somehow like you don't know why yeah but it's like so they've been sharing this this photo took him 12 tries for it to stick and 13th tries where like he made his way out yeah right is that it the movie doesn't explain that at all like that's just guessing
01:29:19
Speaker
No, yeah, no explanation of like why he didn't realize the suitor or why he could he could use his power suitor or like why is it like constantly do it? Yeah, no idea. I don't know, maybe some viewers, you know, more and more people will watch this and just it's definitely going to be this year's biggest bomb. One of them was, you know, it's like the thing is, this wasn't a terrible movie. It just was a very dense concept that had no reason.
01:29:48
Speaker
It's way too over. It's like way too over the complicated like it. But I guess Rodriguez is working this for like 20 years. Apparently he got first got the idea like 2002. He probably saw momentum when it was. I want to make that. It's basically momentum with like a ton of extra steps.
01:30:05
Speaker
And then he saw Inception, he's like, oh yeah, let's add some of that stuff in there. Like he's kept watching Christopher Nolan movies. You're right, he just wanted to be Nolan. Like if you think about it, in 2002, that's only a year after Memento. Memento is about photography, like a photograph with like shit written on it. It's all encrypted. Yeah, this is fucking trying to be Memento. This is Memento with guns, like a lot more guns. But then he kept seeing like new to Christopher Nolan movies. Like he saw Inception and he had like, oh, we're going to add all this like
01:30:31
Speaker
world warping stuff in like more like we're going to make it more twist on is like he's like he's got any like random Christian all the things he liked. This is a fanboy film. However, have you ever seen a movie made by a director who just aping another director style and has done well?
01:30:52
Speaker
I've never seen a movie that basically wants to be something, especially comedies when a director is a fan of someone's style and then mimics it. And then it's like, this isn't your movie. You could definitely tell. Yeah. But the biggest one I think of that was Zack and Mary Make a Porno. And that was a Kevin Smith film trying to be a Judge Apatow film. And that did OK. But, you know, it definitely wasn't a Kevin Smith film.
01:31:17
Speaker
Uh, not because it wasn't Jay and Sal above, it just, the tone and everything just felt like a judge off a top movie. Uh, this definitely wanted to be a Nolan movie from the, the, the shots and the seriousness and the tone. It just, but it had no soul of its own. And then, yeah, I just, this movie is bizarre.
01:31:44
Speaker
It's not bad. It's watchable. It's just confusing. And like, I don't know. It's entertaining and sort of like, huh, like that that was something kind of way, you know, I don't know, I don't know the next time I watch this movie, maybe if I watch it in a group has like a good amount of I've never seen this.
01:32:08
Speaker
It's it's not it's not on like a sort of like freestreaming sir like quote-unquote free service yet It's still like a rental if this shows up like a Netflix or something then I think it's probably a lot more people are gonna be like hey if you're just crazy if not like movie like I Feel like it might be a cult like a very weird cult here later on in life when it's like you look back at the Like movies, you're like 20 Yeah, you're like, what's this Ben Affleck movie? Yeah
01:32:39
Speaker
I don't know. I feel like I'm very prepared for the 20 years from now. Some hipster generation is going to have to thank hypnotic. He's actually secretly great. The best movie in 2023. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not even shooting you and it's going to be one of those like someone's going to make a weird. J tube review Jtuber.
01:33:06
Speaker
of hypnotic and it's going to be like showed up on a top 10, like unappreciative hit movie. I know this movie's not for us yet until like there is an actual hypnotic division in America. Yeah. But that's that's it for me. What about you, Zach? What can you say about your watching habits this week?
01:33:37
Speaker
Well, I saw
Russell Crowe in The Pope's Exorcist
01:33:38
Speaker
a couple things, so I finally got around to seeing the Pope's exorcist, or as Russell Crowe would say, the Pope's exorcist. Because if you enjoyed Russell Crowe's Greek accent in Thor 11 Thunder, he's doing an Italian quote unquote accent in here. It's just as ridiculous as that movie. But yeah, Russell Crowe does good accents besides American and Australian.
01:34:05
Speaker
For some reason he's stumbled onto this weird, vague, whatever accent he thinks this is, like the Greek slash Italian accent that he's been using. He's like, yeah, got it, nailed it. That's what his voice is. Yeah, he's used variations on that for the last two movies he's been in. It's okay British accent now and then, but no. Yeah.
01:34:32
Speaker
No, he's definitely not a vocal chameleon like say like a Hugh Laurie or someone. Or Idris Elba. But yeah, Russell Crowe is playing an actual like real life exorcist Gabrielle Amorth, who was the chief exorcist for the Vatican from I think it was from like the 80s to 2016 or something.
01:34:59
Speaker
And this public exercise is like essentially based on his. It's one thing that says based on his case files, quote unquote, but it's this movie is so crazy as far as like the events that it's like it just is like actually based on something that actually happened. It's insane. So I think it's like very, very loosely based on his like real life cases that were
01:35:27
Speaker
much more like like like therapy sessions than not like battling demons like this movie. But yeah, but basically, you must go is game remort, he gets sent to Spain, because there's a family that moves from America to Spain, they're like, they're, they inherit this old, like church in Spain, like it was in their is like in their like father's family, and the father died, and then
01:35:54
Speaker
They are going there to fix it up and sell it. But then it turns out this church in Spain, or this abbey in Spain, was secretly sealing in demonic forces. And so the son of the family gets possessed by a demon. And so then Russell Crowe has to go there. And he teams up with this young Spanish priest, and they have to fight the demon together. Lots of typical exorcist stuff. They're actually some really cool, fun, creepy exorcist stuff, with like, you know,
01:36:24
Speaker
Like the kid those it's this little kid like saying this like disgusting if I'll think it's Russell Crowe and like dragging up like they're like past like Their past sins their past transgressions and like showing them like visions of things that they did that they're ashamed of Because like the team is like looking at their mind like seeing things and like it's like showing them things like oh This is this is your sin father and forth like this is what you've this is what you're ashamed Oh like stairs in their soul
01:36:53
Speaker
It's it's yeah, it's he's into a soul or something. I don't know. Demon powers. But yeah, there's like there's a thing where like Father Amorth fought in World War One, I think, or World War Two, and he kind of like his whole squad got killed instead of like fighting. He like pretend to be dead and like so he survived, but he was like a coward, quote unquote. So that's it. He's ashamed of that. So the like the and then there's also like another girl that
01:37:22
Speaker
he thought was just mentally ill, and she was mentally ill, but she committed suicide because he wanted to help her. So he's also very distraught about that. So the demon keeps bringing up efficiencies of this girl and then talking against her and taunting him. But then you get this whole crazy conspiracy of
01:37:45
Speaker
There's like secret rooms in the Abbey and the Vatican knew about what was going on here. It gets this like conspiracy kind of like there's like this deeper conspiracy and like there's like past events and then then it gets like basically like crazy like it was basically like a costume or something where it's just like now there's like actual like there's like a portal to hell and like it gets crazy. It gets crazy by the end of it like and it's like become doomed basically.
01:38:14
Speaker
Yeah, it's very it's very it's like very uh very crazy toward the end and like especially like what happens what happens to like russell crow like towards the end And then they also they also set up like which I don't I don't I think we did okay, but I don't think it's enough to do a sequel but they basically set up a sequel of like
01:38:36
Speaker
Oh man, you stop one portal, but there's like 200 more portals around the world to stop. You gotta go. Father, you gotta go stop them. It's like, there's like, there's like a bunny cop, like, he's like, most of the crew that's like young Spanish priests are gonna go around like fighting the other demons. What? How do they fight them? Like, do they just throw water at them and then that's it? Or it's like, yeah, keep crying at it. Yeah, I mean, it's like, you know, classic like exorcist stuff. You have like special prayers, you say.
01:39:06
Speaker
You like, yeah, you throw holy water on them. You like. And it's mostly like the past. You read certain passages in the Bible or like certain like special like Latin phrases and that fights demons. And you also get to learn demons name and that helps you like fight the demon, because if you know this name, you can like you can like fight it better because then you like power over it.
01:39:32
Speaker
But yeah, it's a solid Exorcist movie.
Transformers: Rise of the Beasts Review
01:39:35
Speaker
If you're into like Exorcist movies, if you want to see just like a fun kind of like creepy Exorcist movie. And if Russell Crowe was not in it, it would definitely be like way more generic and bad. But like Russell Crowe definitely like brings like another layer of like ridiculousness to it. Like he's constantly, like he stretches like constantly around like a Vespa. Like I say it's the same way he gets around it like to like different places. So you see like Russell Crowe just like riding on this little Vespa like right around Spain and right around like Italy.
01:40:02
Speaker
It's like it's supposed to be like the. It's like it's it's the 80s. It's like 87, I think. We actually didn't actually want. Yeah. And now he's now he's a chief actress just for the the Vatican. If he would be like 80. I think he was like 20 or something or like early 20s in like World War Two, so I guess he's like.
01:40:31
Speaker
W40 so it's 60s. I guess he's fighting the demon in this movie Well, it's supposed to be the 80s, right? Yeah, but he was like he was 20 in like World War two So that's like the 40s. So what we're trying to say World War one. No. Yeah, I think I said one more one, but it's it's World War two. Gotcha. Gotcha. No, okay. That'd be he'd be the ancient old man trying to fight the There's actually speaking ladies there actually is some like like which must add it's like the
01:41:01
Speaker
budget a little bit, but there's actually some like pretty big needle drops to like, you know, like 80s songs in the soundtrack. You know, Stranger Things was hot. So they're like, you know, stranger. Yeah. But yeah, it's solid, fun, excess movie, not that you're not going to revolutionize the excess genre, but it's definitely fun. And Russell Crowe definitely makes it takes it like another level of like,
01:41:29
Speaker
just like his his accent is like like kind of like attitude is like the way he like plays this character is like takes it makes it like beyond a standard kind of like Exorcist movie. And then I also saw Transformers Rise of the Beast, which just hit Paramount Plus. I didn't hear about Paramount Plus, either like last Friday or this week.
01:41:55
Speaker
I think I think it was last Friday. I think it hit parallel plus. So it's not there right now. You can watch it there. I missed it was theaters, so I got a chance to get out now. Definitely definitely one of the better Transformers movies. Definitely, I think definitely picks up the the. You know, baton from Bumblebee fairly well and much better than any of the Michael Bay movies. And the first the first Michael Bay movies find that's probably the best of the Michael Bay movies.
01:42:23
Speaker
This one's definitely better than all the sequels by far. Like the Transformers actually look like G1 Transformers that you would like you would want to look like. They're not like just like jagged shards of metal like like the Bayformers. And also it brings in the Beast Force characters, which I know kids in the 90s like you and me, Chris, like we're like we're huge Beast Force fans. Well, yeah, the first version of them.
01:42:51
Speaker
Let me watch it. I watched it up until they left the planet. Yeah, not. Yeah, Beast Machines. I didn't watch Beast Machines. No, Beast Machines is terrible. But yeah, actual Beast Wars is great. And it also has like it has Unicron in it. So which I think they tried to do it like last night or something. I can't. One of my movies had tried to bring Unicron in and it was terrible.
01:43:16
Speaker
This is actually a good use of unicorn like your kind of looks exactly like he did in the anime movie like it just a big, you know, horrifying Death Star with like teeth. And then when the movie kicks off, like they destroyed the Maxwell's whole world, which is different from Cybertron. They live on a different planet than one of the Autobots.
01:43:39
Speaker
So yeah, there are I think I think it's only for these movies like sets that up I don't think I think that like the cannon of like Beast Wars was that they were like the future they were like descendants of the Autobots and Septicons Yes But here here they're like a separate they're like a separate species of transformers they live on different planets But they have like a key that will like let unicorn transport anywhere you want some time in space and
01:44:07
Speaker
And but then they escape to earth and like hide it so so that basically the whole movie is like Scourge who's like Unicron's like main henchmen and his like terror cons are trying to find the transwarp key and then they get if they find it like they have you to kind of come and like eat earth basically then eat then go out like eat the rest of the universe And then so so you have
01:44:34
Speaker
the maximum on Earth. And you also have the Autobots are on Earth, which is like, it's Optimus, it's Bumblebee, it's Mirage, it's voiced by Peter Dinklage, or Peter, Pete, Pete Davidson, Peter Dinklage is Scourge. So it's two, two, three famous theaters movie. And yeah, then all the all the maximums like Ron Perlman is not this primal. Well, and like, like, Michelle Yeoh is a Air Razor. So I'll
01:45:03
Speaker
A lot of like recognizable voices for the Autobots and Decepticons and Mexico's time. And then Anthony Ramos from. What was that? What's it? In the Heights, like the the musical last year. Yes, the like the moment ran musical. He's the main star of that. He's the star of this one.
01:45:30
Speaker
And Dominique Fisherback, who was in that movie in Project Power with Jimmy Fox. She's also the co-star. And they're definitely way better than any other human characters that have showed up in other... They're way better than Mark Wahlberg or Shia LaBeouf. They're actually likable, and they should have interesting... They're actually plot-wise, integral to the plots. It makes sense for the plots.
01:46:02
Speaker
And they found an actual reason for the Beel involved in this Transformers war. So that's definitely a huge improvement too. It's like, actually like, interesting human characters. Although, Bumblebee, I mean, Haley Seinfeld and John Cena were fun in Bumblebee, so. And this is the tie-in to Bumblebee, right? It's one continuous-
01:46:25
Speaker
This is yes, I think I think Bumblebee is basically a soft reboot and then this is like so this is the sequel to Bumblebee. Although I think you can jump into this one without having seen Bumblebee because they only make like one. There's like one line referencing Bumblebee. That's it. So it's not really like characters to come back from Bumblebee except for Bumblebee himself. But like basically literally at one point like like like like like Otis, Otis' arc in this movie is like he does not work with humans. He doesn't trust humans. Wait, what about he?
01:46:55
Speaker
did by the time Bumblebee happened. No, I think I think they're like, yeah, because like, obviously, like in Bumblebee, like there would be like Bumblebees would be hunted by John Cena, like his government agency or whatever, or like, at least that was the only like human that was helping them at all. So I'll just still worry about humans helping them, especially about something that can like get them home, because like the transformer key can like get them home. So it's like super important to him to get it. I'm not gonna trust humans to like, for something this important,
01:47:25
Speaker
But then it's just like one line. We're like he's like, I know. Yeah, we can't trust humans. And then he's like, but they're my friends. And they're like, I know. I know what he was like. You once told me, but this is different. That's the only like reference to the book will be at all of the movie. Like one line that you mentioned, like, hey, I found my name. It's like, yeah, that one human in the 80s was nice. Well, that's fine. It's 90s now. So this takes place in the 90s. Yeah.
01:47:56
Speaker
like like like 994 is when it takes place. So there's a lot of like there's a lot of musical like musical needle drops and fashion and pop culture references. They go to go along with 90s. But yeah, it's it's fun. It's definitely one of the best. Yeah, definitely one of the best transforms to be if you're if you're disappointed with like the like terrible, terrible Michael based sequels like this was definitely a huge step from those.
01:48:25
Speaker
It's it's fun to see the Beast Wars characters in, you know, like quote unquote life action. I was so disappointed there weren't any Predacons like because it's just it's just the Terracons like it would have been fun to see like, you know, like like here X Megatron or something or like any other Predacons, but they're not they're not in here. There's also a crazy. Kind of it's not post credits, but right before the credits, there's like a.
01:48:53
Speaker
Set up for a sequel that's also set up for like a shared universe like like like a shared like Hasbro verse I mean it's It definitely was not like it was definitely a surprise if you Going into the movie like no one knew this is like they were like set this up in the movie Yeah, but yeah, I
01:49:19
Speaker
Rise of the Beast, I think it did okay. I don't know if it did well enough to warn a sequel or kick off a shared universe, so this could be a dark universe style. We're setting up this big Hasbro universe, and then they don't do anything with this. Because it's a pretty big setup for the future if they're actually going to follow through on it. But if they don't follow up on it, it's one of the biggest
01:49:49
Speaker
like post-credit or like sequel setups that like never happened like it's like super barber's movie level like you guys gotta come back to get come back to the mushroom kingdom or like oh yeah the dark universe the entire thing like but yeah where's the beast opera plus you remember plus definitely check it out it's it's it's pretty fun uh definitely definitely much more of like what transverse fans want have wanted from like transverse movies like
01:50:19
Speaker
have them actually look like, you know, they're like actually G1 or Beast Wars characters not horrifying messes of metal and actually be able to see the action and actually have like interesting characters and actually be actually funny and not horrifying Michael Bay funny. So yeah, definitely check it out.
Episode Conclusion and Site Promotion
01:50:41
Speaker
And that's gonna do it for me this week so we can wrap things up. Definitely head over to site. We've got our Rocketeer commentary up right now. If you want to watch the Rocketeer along with us, you can head over to these plus, sync up our commentary with that and watch it along with us. And I believe if you're hearing this, there should be a game box 2.0 up as well so you can see what games he played this month on the sites. And we've got our usual reviews and news and trailers and all sorts of other stuff up there. So head over to site, check all that stuff out.
01:51:08
Speaker
And yeah, so for Chris, I am Zach, and we will see you next week.