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The American Craftsman Podcast Ep. 18 | Is "How-To" Killing Us?
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On Episode 18 of The American Craftsman Podcast, hosted by Greene Street Joinery, we talk about whether how-to and DIY content is hurting our industry.
Beer of the Week (Ross Passaic Porter): https://www.rossbrewing.com/passaic
Tool of the Week (Starrett Exact 16' Tape Measure): https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ELMRW8G/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=greenestreetj-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B00ELMRW8G&linkId=75052d9e4961db8536e9c487fe790183
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Transcript
Podcast Beginnings and New Year Reflections
00:00:17
Speaker
Ain't no shame, but there's been a chain. Week 18. Wow. Well, week 17. We did two episodes in our first week. We did? Yeah. I think we might have done them back to back days. Huh. Yeah, we were pretty gung-ho back then. Wow. That's crazy. Yeah.
00:00:44
Speaker
Welcome to the New Year. Yeah, welcome. 2021. Remember when we said don't get your hopes up?
00:00:53
Speaker
Feels a little bit like 2020, I don't know. Give it some time. Give it a little time.
Climate Anecdotes and Beer Chat
00:01:02
Speaker
Did you notice how it's getting brighter earlier each day? Yeah. I don't know. I mean, if you live in a cold climate like we do in the wintertime, it makes a difference. It does. It has been pretty cold.
00:01:19
Speaker
It does get very cold in New Jersey. Like we do get down to like five degrees sometimes very rarely, but it's felt cold. Yeah, it's been in like the 30s or, you know, 20s at night. Teens and 20s are more normal for us in the wintertime. So I guess, you know, we're not Buffalo. We're not, you know, upstate New York and upper Michigan and those places. But to us, it feels cold. Yeah.
00:01:45
Speaker
Yeah, a little thin skin to this point. You know, I went to Arizona State for two years and oh yeah. So it's 115, 118 and everybody who comes from like there's a lot of kids from Chicago area when I went there and all the kids from the Northeast.
00:02:05
Speaker
We went through the first year without coats, you know, through the winter time because it would be in 50s, 60s. It felt warm to us by the second year. We're wearing down coats, you know, 50 degrees. Where's my down jacket? Take long for the body to throw everything in.
00:02:27
Speaker
Oh, that was a hundred years ago. Hmm. It's probably even hotter there now. Well, yeah, thanks to, you know, hope. Yeah. Everybody. Well, I'm thirsty. What do we got this year? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Beer of the week. This is this is the beer of the week, but it's it's the beer of the new year. Cracked two cans. Yeah. This is a departure from me having the cans.
00:02:58
Speaker
And look what we got. Slide one under there. Ah, I almost bought a beer from them last week. Yeah. This is the Ross. You know, I went in there. We go to this, uh, this little local, um, they, they have like a little bar in the back. What's a packaged goods place called harvest port side. Yeah. And they have a great selection of a small brewers in there.
00:03:27
Speaker
Yeah, they have. It's so unassuming because it's in like a strip mall. Yeah. Chinese restaurant, like the whole typical shop next to a barbershop. And you walk in and I mean, they have a great selection of beer.
00:03:42
Speaker
Yeah, it's amazing. So Ross is actually over in Red Bank, which is about, well, I guess it's the next town over, one of the next towns over. This is the Passaic Porter, honey porter with vanilla and cacao. Yeah, I thought that sounded most interesting. I mean, they had another one that had fruit in it, but we've done that.
00:04:00
Speaker
in the last couple of weeks. Check this out. Our honey porter is inspired by the Passaic River, a hardworking beer for a hardworking river. Brewed with Monmouth County, that's where we live, Monmouth County, grown wildflower honey. Yeah. And fermented with Madagascar bourbon, vanilla beans and Peruvian cacao nibs. This is a dark, rich, creamy, flavorful treat. We wish we could drink it all the time.
00:04:21
Speaker
Yeah, it really sounded great. I thought you'd be interested in it. You know, had the vanilla and the cacao in there and they all their beers had local names. You know, they have the Shrewsberry lager. Right. And the Manasquan. They must all be rivers, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. We were just up by the Passaic weren't we? That's right. We were saying, is that the Passaic? That's got to be the Passaic River.
00:04:46
Speaker
Cool. I'm excited to try. Yeah. Yeah. I think we, uh, we wanted to go to Ross last year when we went out for our Festivus, uh, yeah, little bar crawl, but they weren't, I don't think they were open. No, we did it on like a Monday. Yes. Yes. That's right. I remember that. So cheers 2021. Here we come.
00:05:15
Speaker
That's good. I like porters a lot. I like porters more than stouts. I don't know what the main difference is. That's different. Yeah. Independent craft. Yeah, these guys are all right. And a mild 6.1 alcohol.
00:05:37
Speaker
Yeah, gotta keep an eye on those. Just so you know, we don't go back to work after this. I went home, I was wiped out last week. See, these are 16 ounce cans, so that's really like a beer and a third. And then you compound that with a beer that's 8% and change alcohol. Well, you really had two and two third beers. Yeah, we don't eat big lunches here.
00:06:07
Speaker
And we're lightweights. Truth be told, that's the real reason. I go home, I get the podcast uploaded and then I'm spent.
Tools of the Trade: Precision Matters
00:06:21
Speaker
So up next we got the Tool of the Week. It is me this week. I had a hard time picking something but I think I found a little gem here that maybe people don't necessarily know about but never thought to try.
00:06:35
Speaker
So I like to use these Starrett Exact tape measures. This is a 16 footer, that's what I prefer. I have a 12 footer as well, but it has a very narrow blade. I like this three quarter inch for shop work. I like a little something bigger for on site just because you need stand out a lot of times on site. Whereas here, even if you're measuring something long, it's laying on the work. So it's not a problem.
00:07:02
Speaker
So these are not made like where the stare at squares and stuff are made. These are made in China. But I always when I buy one new, by the way, these are super cheap. These are like five dollars. They fluctuate. I buy them on Amazon. They fluctuate in price from like four dollars and change to like seven or eight dollars and change depending on when you go to buy it.
00:07:22
Speaker
I actually have one of those subscriptions where every three months they just send me one because, you know, they go bad. They don't go bad that fast, but I'll just swap it out for five bucks. Just give me a new tape. What I do when I get it is I take the 18 inch stare at combo square and I'll make sure that, you know, the first 18 inches of this is dead on.
00:07:44
Speaker
And I haven't even had to adjust any of them. They've all been dead on. Yeah. Pretty much if if the first foot is is right. Yeah. I mean, you know, these have to be laid out on some sort of consistent. Right. Because it's the little tab on the end that. Yeah. Yeah. Dewey and.
00:08:04
Speaker
Yeah, and right at 12 inches where you transfer from 30 seconds to 16ths, I feel like that's where you could get some discrepancy. So I'm going a full 6 inches past that.
00:08:17
Speaker
I think it's good. I mean, I would try one of these out. The we've had we got a couple of 30 footers from the guys that stare and they they're huge. First off, it's like a softball, like literally the size of a softball. These are nice, too, because they're they're pretty compact. Yeah. They're only about I don't know what you said. It says about an inch. Yeah. Quarter. Yeah. A little bigger than an inch. I used to use that exact tape as well. Yeah.
00:08:43
Speaker
I went to the Tajima. I like those. Yeah. And I tell you, I like that tape. And the one thing about it, when you're working with several people in the shop, you got to make sure your tapes match. Yeah. So, you know, we worked together with somebody who had an old tape that was near and dear to him. And it was a 16th off. Yeah. And you and everybody else's tape. Yeah.
00:09:12
Speaker
Everybody else's tape match except his and so I'd be measures. I'm like, this is only 23 and 11 16th. Yeah. It's like, well, I got 23 and three quarter. Well, yeah, you do, but nobody else does. Yeah. Ran in. We ran into some problems with that. Even when we made him aware of it, he was just like,
00:09:33
Speaker
Tough. Another thing I like about this is the lock button. You don't even have to really engage it all the way, but it's very easy to push. It's got a big ramp, I guess you would call it right here, to get your thumb on. Some of those tapes, like the Stanley Power Lock with the little yellow one, it's really hard to push and your finger wants to slip off it.
00:09:55
Speaker
It's got a good shape. I mean, I like that tape as well. Yeah, I'd probably still be using it if it wasn't made in China. If it wasn't made in China and also, you know, tapes are just one of those fetish items. You know, in fact, I don't think there's a tape made that I really think is perfect. I would love like a 12 for the shop.
00:10:21
Speaker
I'd love a 12 foot tape, but with the heft of like a typical 16. Yeah. Yeah. Like if they made this in 12, but just right without making the tape. And you know, the thing about this, let me see this one. This is actually longer than 16 feet. Yeah. Yeah. That's the thing about those star tapes. You know, most of the time you get a 16 foot tape and it's like 14 and a half feet. Yeah.
00:10:48
Speaker
So this one actually goes to 16. I've had one that went all the way to 20 feet though. Really? Then it was labeled 60 feet. I think I remember we had a couple that would go out well beyond the 16 foot mark. I mean because we have so many of that particular mile of tape around here. Yeah so these go in a cycle from like the apron
00:11:11
Speaker
There's like, I'll keep one in the drawer that's new. Then I have one in my apron. Then it goes from there into the like center console on my truck if I need it. And then it goes into the house and then it goes into the garbage.
00:11:21
Speaker
Yeah, there's a couple in the drawers in the shop. We have this. If you look over that window, there's seven tape measures just sitting on that window. So all lined up and they're all decent and they all work good. But for one reason or another, they're not apron approved. It takes a certain tape to like fit onto your work apron. How you like to move and and the weight of it.
00:11:47
Speaker
And I have that I think I showed it one time to the week that little German made star wall. Yeah. Yeah. And it's a little light and a little bit too small. But I you know as a goof partly it's made in Germany and I like it.
00:12:03
Speaker
Yeah, that's got what, like a three-eighths inch? Yeah, it's really too small except for like working at your bench. Yeah, that's what it's good for. It's like working at the bench, but even, you know, when we're cutting up sheet goods, I reach for the other tapes because it's too small.
00:12:18
Speaker
I'd say give it a try. It's low risk. It's cheap. Less than 10 bucks. You can't go wrong. No way.
Social Media and TV Frustrations
00:12:25
Speaker
Yeah. That's that's a no brainer. Even for your house or whatever. Yeah. I like it. Yeah. I don't remember how I found it. But when I did I didn't see anybody using them. Now I see a couple of people that use them.
00:12:41
Speaker
But yeah, like you, I was always looking for the best tape. I was a fat max guy for a long time. But, you know, getting into cabinet work, it's just for the shop, it's too fat and too big. And there's so much bend, so much radius in the tape that it's inaccurate.
00:12:59
Speaker
That's another thing, because so many tapes are made for carpenters, we'll call. Yeah, I don't need a 13 foot stand out in the shop. I need no stand out. Right. Really. Right. Yeah. We prefer a whole different set of details. And yeah. And, you know, we don't do a lot of measuring, per se, where it's like super vital that that our tape measurement is
00:13:29
Speaker
You know what I'm trying to say? Yeah, because we have the machines here. We use stops and you know, you check your piece and then you're good to go and then you just continue to cut. For small stuff, I don't use the tape usually to mark stuff out, I use a square. Yeah, we use more like a rigid type of measure. Yeah, something you can lock down and repeat. Right. Yeah, repeatability is what it's all about.
00:13:56
Speaker
All right, cool. Thanks for bringing that to everybody's attention. Yeah, check it out. Stared exact 16 foot tape. All right. So are we going to go to the to the guest gripe for the week? We can do that first this weekend. Yeah, yeah. It's from Tim. Are you doing a grape, too? Yeah, I got you know, I got a great. I didn't know I was going to be counted on to do it. You know that we'd have a dual gripe. Rob right here.
00:14:25
Speaker
I always got something to say. You want to take it? Yeah. All right. Actually, let me give a little a little pre-log. Is that a prologue? Preface? Preface? Yeah, I don't know. I'll give you a little backstory. Yeah. So I posted on Instagram probably about a week ago.
00:14:47
Speaker
I was kicking around the idea in my head about getting a pinless moisture meter. So I posted, you know, best. Pinless moisture meter under 150 bucks. Let me know. And I got and Tim messaged me, Tim from True Trade, and he said, oh, let me know like what what you find out because he's in the market for one, too.
00:15:07
Speaker
I got three responses and it was like five hundred and twenty people had seen the post. So that's where Tim's Tim's gripe is stemming. He's got our back is what you're telling me. Yeah. Well he said he's had a he's had similar experiences.
00:15:26
Speaker
So you want me to read Tim? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So Tim from True Trade Coventry, as they say, a friend of the show. That's that's the lingo. His gripe is getting weak responses on questions in your Instagram stories when you know hundreds of people see it.
00:15:48
Speaker
which I can get sometimes, you know? You might not have an opinion or maybe you've never even owned a pinless moisture meter, but it does feel a lot of times like people are just kind of glossing over it. And, you know, if you have an opinion, we want to know about it. We want that quality interaction. Even like the questions, you know, we'll get five, 600 people that see the story asking for questions for the podcast. Well, send in your question. Yeah. Yeah.
00:16:18
Speaker
Everybody's curious, right? Yeah, there's no stupid questions, only stupid people. We don't claim to be in that group. No. We take plenty of, you know, these questions don't have to be...
00:16:34
Speaker
yeah we don't know scholarly right great insight no just curiosity is is good enough yeah yeah we meander to a to an answer no matter what the question is yeah all right so um got some pretty good questions this week yeah yeah i was a little late to the to the party asking yeah but so you want to know my gripe of the week is oh yeah
00:17:02
Speaker
It's commercial television and how they stage the commercials. It's gone. Now, I don't watch a lot of live TV. There are a couple of shows that I do enjoy. But if it's on at nine o'clock, I'll have to watch it at nine thirty or something so I could tape it so I could fast forward through the commercials because
00:17:26
Speaker
Now, I don't mind the commercials, so to speak, because it's part of the process of the economy of of the show, right? So you got it. All right. Pay to play, so to speak. But what they do is.
00:17:42
Speaker
There's no commercials at the beginning and then they start stacking them up. So the last half of an hour long show, the show goes on for seven or eight minutes. Then there's seven or eight minutes of commercials and then seven. You can't watch it. It's unwatchable.
00:18:02
Speaker
I noticed it was like Oak Island, which I've completely abandoned. And Dustin, if you're listening, he's one of our patrons. I was talking to him about Oak Island and we'll actually maybe we'll talk about Dustin a little later. Yeah, that's very cool. With Oak Island at the end, they would have like a commercial and then they would come back for like 45 seconds and then go to another commercial.
00:18:28
Speaker
Like, that show is already missing enough content. It's like 30 minutes of fluff. Because every time they change scenes, they backtrack. And they... What is it? On the... You know, because you used to look at the Oak Island Reddit subreddit. Like, if they show the diagram for the drilling rig, that stupid animation, one more time. Like, okay, we watch the show. We know what the stupid drilling, the oscillating thing looks like.
00:18:57
Speaker
Yeah. In fact, Oak Island was on last night. Oh, yeah. Tuesday. I watched the first episode last season and the first episode this season. I tapped. Yeah. Yeah. For those that don't know, we record on Wednesday and then usually gets posted up. Jeff will post it up tonight and then it goes on YouTube tomorrow. Yeah. Sometimes. Sometimes Wednesday night. Yeah. Depends.
00:19:20
Speaker
So I I try to come in and watch it, but I fell asleep because it literally is so boring now. I know I'll watch the whole hour long show if I'm awake and like watching it. Let's say a Saturday afternoon or something. It takes about 10 minutes to watch the show. Yeah, because you got it. You fast forward through everything. What's going on this season?
00:19:46
Speaker
It's kinda just like a generic they're looking again in the swamp and they found some more looks like pathways or stonewalls the thing i'll credit to the show is.
00:20:01
Speaker
There was a lot of activity on this. Oh, yeah. And maybe if we dug like this on any other island, we'd find the same thing. It just goes to show how much we don't know about our fairly recent history. Yeah. Like this. And I got a degree in history.
00:20:23
Speaker
I want to, of course, my take on it was completely different to backtrack a little bit. I went to the New School in New York, which is a really progressive school. You create your own curriculum. And my area of emphasis was really on the writing of history and how that impacts society, like how our society is shaped today by the history we've been fed through the, you know,
00:20:51
Speaker
last thousand, five hundred, few hundred than the decades. Tell me that the losers have never written the history books. Yeah. And it's not even that simple. I mean, just like with the banana wars. Yeah. It's it's just all the stories that remain untold. Yeah.
00:21:07
Speaker
Um, that will, yeah, that should shape your perception, but don't write. You've never heard them. Yeah, we hear one guy's point of view. I think it's the gospel, but, uh, it's a damn shame because it's a really cool.
00:21:27
Speaker
the idea of the whole thing is so cool and there is a lot of really cool information but like history channel ruins yes the whole thing it's like it could be a five hour documentary across what season is it now nine or something i think so it could be a five hour documentary like they do on pbs and that's all yeah
00:21:45
Speaker
It's like a song that you like back when we listened to the radio and then they overplay it and then you can't stand it anymore. Yeah. At one point, that was a good song. The song didn't change. It's just their station ruined it. But that's the thing. They keep finding new stuff.
00:22:05
Speaker
There's not a hint of treasure, but they keep finding stuff that makes you go, man, there was a lot of stuff happening here hundreds of years before we thought there was this sort of activity in the area. Yeah, with very little written history about what was going on, which is that's what makes it so intriguing.
00:22:24
Speaker
Yeah. So it's it's interesting if you if you let go of the the treasure hunting and overlook the silly personalities and that kind of stuff. So yeah, it's something that's still I tape it, you know, I watch it. I mean, you know, it's no ancient aliens, but
00:22:49
Speaker
I do like some ancient aliens. Although it is a crock of BS. For the most part. But again, I got my wife interested in ancient aliens now. She used to just make fun of me. Are you watching that alien show again? She's going to be a full-blown conspiracy theorist.
00:23:06
Speaker
Anyway, get back to woodworking. If you're still listening. We're done. We're done talking about Oak Island. Ancient aliens, maybe we'll talk about more. So let's get to our questions of the week. This one came in from YouTube from Beyond the Bench Woodworking. He asks, do you take into consideration ethical foresting when purchasing lumber?
Ethical Sourcing and Initial Client Strategies
00:23:32
Speaker
And if so, how do you ensure it is ethically sourced?
00:23:36
Speaker
That is a good question, especially how we go on about, you know, buying American and small business and everything like that. Yeah, it'd be an ecological. Right, right. We think about all of these things.
00:23:52
Speaker
for every aspect of our business. It doesn't mean that we can have our own way each time. And you know part of the ethical foresting and purchasing that's going to be as you know wide ranging as
00:24:10
Speaker
how far has to come on a truck to get to where we are and things like that. There's there's a lot that goes into it, not just are they cutting down trees to, you know, in the rain forest. Yeah. You know, you could talk a little bit. We get our lumber from O'Shea. Yeah.
00:24:28
Speaker
Talk about that. Yeah. So our supplier, which is O'Shea Lumber Company in Glenrock, Pennsylvania, they are a member of the National Hardwood Lumber Association, the NHLA and the there's another one. I forget it was a three, three letter acronym, hardwood, something. I forget. Anyway, you know, they hold a sustainability verification certificate from the NHLA.
00:24:57
Speaker
They tell you, I mean, we don't get super geographically specific sourcing of the wood, but all the white oak is coming from Appalachia. All the cherry is coming from Pennsylvania specifically. Yeah, the maple is some of it. Very little amount, they say. I think just the soft maple is coming from Canada and the rest is coming from I think more of the Midwest. Yeah, I got a lot of maple from Ohio before. Yeah. And the only
00:25:27
Speaker
If you want to call it exotic, the only imported wood that we really use is sapele, which is a super sustainable wood. Yeah. You know, it's a huge tree. Fast grower. Yeah, actually, maybe we should talk about that on the Patreon about the origin of the of the name sapele.
00:25:45
Speaker
Which was a rabbit hole that we dove down a couple weeks ago. Well, it is a lot of holes. Yeah. And of course, if you read it on the Internet, it's true. So, yeah, the answer is simple as that. We use a supplier who is making sure that everything that they're buying is, you know, ethically sourced, sustainable and
00:26:12
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, it's great to work with them. They have some beautiful lumber for a really good price. Yeah, we like O'Shea. And I mean, they do it for, you know, the economy of their business. Like they won't deliver to us way out here unless we buy a certain amount of wood. Right. And that makes ecological sense, too, because they're not, you know, just drive in a semi truck. Even if they had nothing else to do, they're not driving a semi truck.
00:26:38
Speaker
across the two states to drop us off 100 board feet of hard maple.
00:26:46
Speaker
So that's a good question. I think it's it's important. I mean, I'm on the back nine here. I'm 58. It's not something that I necessarily have to worry about. But Jeff, I'm sure you're going to see changes in the planet. Oh, yeah. And Hunter, your boy. I mean, these are the things that people my age need to
00:27:08
Speaker
You know, we need to own up to this just because I'm not going to be around. Doesn't mean I don't want to leave this place a better place for your son. Yeah. Or even just the same, not worse. Right. I mean, it's hard with populations expanding, but we owe it to the kids that, you know, they're going to have access to water and they're going to be trees and all these other things that we've taken for granted forever. Yeah. I mean, at some point,
00:27:39
Speaker
there's going to be a change. You know, we'll reach a tipping point. Yeah. And we could diverge down the road of, you know, like what we do as furniture makers, you know, making pieces that are going to last 100, taking care of 200 years. Why not?
00:28:02
Speaker
That's less in the landfill. That's less that needs to be produced So it's all part of the same equation. Yeah
00:28:11
Speaker
It's a good thing to think about. And I should say the NHLA, all of these criteria are set by the federal government, so they have the Department of Forestry and... Is it agriculture? Yeah, maybe. I don't know. Something like the... I forget, it's something with forestry, federal forestry, something or another.
00:28:34
Speaker
You know, they have I guess they'd be biologists that or arborists, whatever. I don't know. They, you know, look at the quantity of wood and they say that, OK, we can cut this much. And so it's all very scientific. It's not just. Yeah, they they have calculations. Yeah. Taking real boots on the ground kind of measurements of these things.
00:29:02
Speaker
got hamburger hill going on squirrels are battling someone's holding his ground and they're trying to mount an insurrection yes so if you hear any squawking and squeal and that's what it is yeah sammy the dog almost got yeah you almost got somebody today
00:29:27
Speaker
We'll skip over. We'll do this question. We'll skip over the next one. All right. Go ahead. Found you guys via John Peters. How can a hobbyist work on getting their first client from CT Vader 1977 on Instagram? That could seem pretty daunting. Yeah. I mean, I would say leverage social media.
00:29:49
Speaker
You know, there's plenty of people out there that that are willing to. You know, buy something from someone that doesn't have maybe quite as much experience, you know, because obviously it's going to be a lesser price and maybe they're not super concerned with. You know, if they're buying like a cutting board or a blanket ladder or a Adirondack chair or something simple like that, I'd say get on one of those local Facebook pages. We have like
00:30:16
Speaker
Middletown by swap kind of thing. Yeah, so get into one of those post some pictures of stuff you've built Maybe throw a price out there. I'd say that's that's gonna be a home run. You're gonna at least get one person. Yeah And you don't really have to worry about price as much if you're a hobbyist It means you've got another source of income. Yeah, you know, just try and meet your expenses and
00:30:41
Speaker
Yeah, it's an investment because you're going to get better and better everything that you build. So yeah, not charging as much in the beginning is actually it's going to pay off more. Yeah, you'll start to value your time more as it goes on and you'll get faster. Mm hmm.
00:30:56
Speaker
Yeah. It's so funny because, you know, I wouldn't even have thought of that, even though that's really our main source of new work nowadays. And it's been that way for a while now. When I started, it was I had a sign made and put it in my front yard.
00:31:19
Speaker
And this this front yard here. Because there was no Internet sales or anything like that back then and. Which goes to show you how technology, even in an older trade like this, has had such an effect. Oh, yeah.
00:31:41
Speaker
It's just status quo now. I mean, yeah, you're looking to do business with any type of business What's the first thing you do? You look them up on the internet, right? And you want to see what they've done what other people have said about them check them out Yeah, it's it's like going to the store. It's going to open in the door in window shop door seeing what they've done how they do it and
00:32:04
Speaker
a good social media platform, would you call it? Like you can learn more about a company than you ever could by going to visit them. That's what I was going to say, because now we can put our work on display, whereas we're going to come into the shop. We're going to show you pictures in a photo album. That's what I used to have. Yeah.
00:32:23
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Now you go to our Instagram and you could scroll through all of them and see. And the other thing besides the antiquated idea of, you know, flipping through a scrapbook is like us. We put our mission statement out there. People learn what we're about, not just what we've done. So it goes beyond dollars and cents.
00:32:49
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And in that way, we attract people that are aligned with our sensibilities, which is important to us as well as just making a sale.
00:33:00
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So what can we tell them? It's like get your get your work out there. Yeah. Yeah. Get it. You know, get the message as direct to people that will buy your products as possible in the beginning if you're going to just get it. Get some clients. So build something. Take some pictures. Yeah. Or even.
00:33:22
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If you have pictures of stuff you've already built, put them up and say, hey, you know, I'm a hobbyist woodworker. If you need, I make these whatever. I make jewelry boxes or chairs or whatever and put a price on it and see if somebody shoots you a message. Yeah.
00:33:39
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I'd like to hear how that goes, actually. Yeah. It's interesting to follow all this stuff. Yeah. We actually have another another question from CT Vader, 1977. All right. He says, is it possible to do more how to videos? The cabinet door video was great. Well, thanks. Yeah. Thank you. First off, thank you. Yeah. If you have no idea what he's talking about, he or she, I have no idea. Right.
00:34:06
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We released on Saturday or Sunday. I forget one day this week. Yeah. Like our first kind of real YouTube video. The podcast is up there. We got a couple of little short videos, but it's like a 20 minute long video on how to build Shaker style cabinet doors, you know, framing panel, flat panel on just the table saw. Yes. Simple, not elaborate. No, no.
00:34:34
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We don't, you know, not pretentious in any way. Just this is for a shop cabinet. Right. Yeah. But the the technique transfers over. I mean, that's how we build. Yeah. That's how we build doors for a piece of whatever. Twenty five thousand dollar piece of furniture. That's right. So, yeah, check it out. If you didn't know, we've mentioned it before, but the podcast is on YouTube as well. You know, the video versions up there and
00:35:01
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going to be putting up a bunch more videos now. I just actually sent one over to the patrons. It's like about a 10 minute video about making moldings on a table saw. Yeah. That turned out pretty well. Yeah. So he wants to know if we're going to do more of those. And we would love to. I think we've mentioned it briefly in the past. They take so much time. Yeah. Really do. It's it's not just like putting a camera up and filming while you do it. Yeah.
00:35:31
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Which is sort of I was naive in the beginning. I thought well, that's we'll just put a camera up in the corner of the room Well, how much could it yeah, I mean for it for that like eight minute and 30 second long video I had probably two dozen shots. Yeah that I had this set up and So and I mean it's a lot of work, but the you know the answer is yes I mean you're definitely gonna see more it's it's we talked about it last week
00:35:58
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Just my chair here. I got to find a happy medium. It's a goal of ours for this year is to is to put out more videos. So yeah, it's part of the business plan. I mean, it's part of the new marketplace. That's that's it. You have to evolve. We can't do things the way I did 15 years ago because it's not the same world and people have different expectations and we reach people in different ways. Yeah.
00:36:26
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So that's the short answer, right? Yes. Yeah. All right. Cool. And the long answer. Yeah. Yes. That's the long answer. So yeah, being a lookout, subscribe on YouTube, Green Street. Join me. All right.
00:36:41
Speaker
I feel like maybe there's people that listen to the podcast, they might not even know that we're Green Street Joinery. Oh, because it's the American Craftsman podcast. Yeah, we don't really, we don't hawk our name that often, do we? If you just stumbled upon the podcast, you might not know.
00:36:58
Speaker
Even though we're wearing t-shirts. Well, if you just listen, if you just listen, you might have no idea. You're right. If you just listen, you don't know that we have like a little banner made with our logo on it. And we don't always have our company t-shirts on. We're not that OCD about it. But we have some nice shirts that, you know, we usually wear at work.
00:37:23
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Last week, I think I had on one of our benefactors. Yeah, I've been wearing a shirt from Dave, a shirt from Eric. So, yeah, folks have sent us shirts and we've done a few exchanges and we wear those shirts as well with a lot of pride. Yeah.
00:37:45
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You want to take this next one? Oh, yeah. The two parter. No, we're not doing that well. In the market for a bench plane. Yeah. Yeah. In the market for a bench plane. Number four or number four and a half. Lee Nielsen. You know how you feel about that. Veritas. Something else. Thanks.
00:38:07
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And that's from Neil Tango Golf on Instagram.
Tool Debates and DIY Culture Impact
00:38:11
Speaker
I think that's what it is. It's one word squished together. Maybe it's put up different. Neil Tango Golf was one word. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense because. Yeah, I guess he likes dancing golf. Yeah, there you go. Well, I'm no hand playing expert.
00:38:30
Speaker
I don't I mean, I have a couple nice planes. I don't have a whole cabinet full. No, I have a Lee Nielsen number four. I love it. I've never used the four and a half. I know a lot of guys like a four and a half because it's got a little more weight. And it's if you're not using it for smoothing necessarily, which like I don't use the four for smoothing because we don't hand plane now to finish. It's just we're not doing that kind of work. It's not economical.
00:39:02
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Mostly used for cleaning up edges, cleaning up faces of things before sanding. Everything gets sanded, basically. Where was I going with that? Oh, yeah. If you're not using it for smoothing, you know, gives you a longer reference surface. It gives you a longer reference surface on smoothing, too. But, you know, it's it's just a bigger plane. So you have to think about what you're going to be using it for. I like the size of the four. I've never thought to myself, man, I wish this was like a little bit bigger.
00:39:34
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I like Lee Nielsen personally, Veritas is also a great plane. I don't know much about their... I don't know if they have a regular angle number for... I know they have like the low angle stuff. I don't really know what their bench planes...
00:39:51
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What sort of a lot of times they mirror what Lee Nielsen's. Yeah. Like for me, Veritas tries to reinvent the wheel too much. Lee Nielsen is just like it's a Stanley and they just made it better. Right. Lee Neils Veritas is like, let's make a whole different.
00:40:09
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plane or they'll might add something that's what I mean they're they're like we're gonna try and and make it something different yeah whereas better wheel yeah like Lee Nielsen the the shoulder plane like that's a record so they just take a proven
00:40:26
Speaker
design and make it better with really good materials. Right. And, you know, modern manufacturing techniques. So that's why I like Lea Nielsen. I like the aesthetic. I like the feel. We like the company. I mean, we like everything that they stand for, where it's made, how they employ craftsmen. Yeah. And all that. Like you, I never used a four and a half.
00:40:56
Speaker
and I had an old record number four, which I never really used. It was one of my first planes when I started. I'm not a fan so much of that size and shape as I am. What's the number of that big low angle plane I have? Is that a Veritas or a Lielson? It's a Lielson. It's a number 62. Yeah. I think. Yeah, that's what I was going to say too. 62. Yeah.
00:41:25
Speaker
That's a four. That's a low angle four. Yeah, it's just it's got a little bit longer bed and where you put your hands. That's what I like about it feels like it's it is lower. Yeah. On the four, you're sort of more up on top of it. Yeah. And with with that 62, you're you're sort of a little bit more behind it, I want to say. Yeah, because like you don't really need as much downward pressure, I think, because the angle that it's cutting it. Right.
00:41:51
Speaker
So I think that for whatever reason, not better or worse, that's my comfort zone as far as positioning. Yeah. I would like to get a low angle plane because I have the low angle block plane. Yeah. And it's nice, man. Yeah. So funny. I love the small planes and the big ones. Yeah.
00:42:11
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I would like like a Lee Nielsen like number eight or number seven, one of the really big ones. Just for like cleaning up long edges, like on a door, like a exterior door or a barn door. Right. Stuff like that. I mean, that's what that low angle is great for because the bed, it's got to be this big. You know, it's in that drawer down there. It's it's really nice. But.
00:42:38
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Brand-wise you can't go wrong with a yeah, I mean I like Lee Nielsen. That's just me It's but it's they're not that much more expensive No, no, I mean some of this stuff is actually cheaper. I think yeah So we would
00:42:55
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wholeheartedly recommend Lee Nielsen stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Because you're not going to be disappointed with it no matter what. Yeah. And if you go with the four, I got the manganese bronze body. The thing is so heavy, which is a good thing. The manganese bronze is heavier than like the ductile iron. And I think they only make a couple of the planes in the bronze. It looks nice, too. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it it's an I mean, I have it tattooed on my arm.
00:43:22
Speaker
It's an unmistakable plane. You see it with the bronze. You know, that's a Lee Nielsen. I think they make the three, the four and maybe the five or four and a half in the bronze. But it's a again, it's a superior material. Yeah. And all the fitments are really nice and heavy duty. You know, everything is just it screams quality. Yeah. And it's nice to use. Yeah, that's that's it. It's worth it right there. The balance, the feel in your hands. Yeah.
00:43:53
Speaker
All right, Neil, go get yourself a Lee Nielsen plane. Yeah, that's that's what we say. Screw those Canadians.
00:44:01
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Sorry to the Canadian listeners. They're busy making gardening up there now. Veritas is getting a little too closely associated with Lee Valley and their gardening section. But truth be told, we have a ton of Veritas stuff here. A lot of markings. I was going to say, I like the Veritas marking tools. We have a lot of their stuff here.
00:44:23
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Actually, I did a little 60 second. So I'm trying out 60 second tool review on YouTube of the Veritas Precision Square, which I think I may have done that as a tool of the week. Yeah. Yeah, you did. That's that's one of your go tos. I love that thing. All right. What's this next one? Yeah. Last time I asked.
00:44:46
Speaker
Oh, last time I asked you what to look for in clients you don't want. This was two weeks ago, I think. Yeah. All right. Let me read that again now. I know what it says. That was like me with the overused commas last week. Last time is pause. Last time I asked you what to look for in clients you don't want.
00:45:09
Speaker
This time, I want to know, how do you find the clients that are a joy to work with? Boy, if we had that, we'd bottle it up. The ones who respect quality and the time it takes to achieve it. That's from Nathan. Tree of Life, woodworking on Instagram. Yeah, where was the comma there? I'm not doing any more punctuating.
00:45:36
Speaker
Last time. Go ahead. It's not such a cut and dry answer on this one, I think. No, we wish it was, right? Yeah. I would say it's sort of 50-50. I'm kind of answering it backwards. I'm more answering the question than we already asked.
00:45:57
Speaker
By finding the clients that we don't or by not taking on the clients we don't want is how we get the clients that we do one. You know, these people basically weed themselves out by not being flexible with our opinion and sort of, you know, the price of projects because of the way we do things are not
00:46:22
Speaker
Basically, they're not hearing what we're saying, right? So that eliminates most of the people and then what you're left with are People that are more closely aligned to the way that we think right because we have a strong point of view Yeah, as far as what's good design What's good quality, etc. And we're very upfront about that. Yeah and
00:46:49
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We do we we put that out on all our social media. So just naturally people who have that same kind of vibe are going to go, oh, these guys get it. This is what we think, too. I think that's what you're sort of trying to say.
00:47:06
Speaker
Yeah, and, you know, some of these people are contacting us sight unseen. So it's always like a 50-50 shot. I mean, not really, I guess, but it's either 20. Yeah. They're going to like the cut of our jib or they're not going to like it. So we're automatically taking out 80 percent of these people anyway. So when it's boiled down to that 20 percent, well, if you made it that far,
00:47:30
Speaker
past the initial conversation, then you're probably aligned with our sort of ideas. Exactly. And we're probably a good fit to work together. Yeah, that's exactly it. And we're not presumptuous or anything like that. It's just we have standards. Yeah. And we started this business with a lot of things
00:47:56
Speaker
In mind, as far as what we want to do creatively, what our goals and aspirations are for the, you know, not just the work, but, you know, aesthetics, ecology. And we put it out there and hopefully we can find people that.
00:48:16
Speaker
like it yeah yeah like for example we had we talked about it last week as a designer contact about the bathroom cabinet budget 950 could we build the cabinet for 950 bucks could we find a way to do it yeah absolutely just won't right so that's where it separates right because some people want you to just make it happen
00:48:39
Speaker
But we don't always want to make just because we have the skill and knowledge to do it doesn't mean we're going to do it. Yeah. Some people don't understand that. And it's not just about taking less money for ourselves. It's about the whole process of right. It's about time. Could we take a board of melamine and rip it up and staple together a white cabinet? Oh, yeah, we could build five of them in a day. But
00:49:02
Speaker
just not going to do it. We don't want to. That's that's it. We know how we just don't want to. And and some people get offended that you don't want to do. That's right. And because we're totally polite and gracious, you know, we we can rant and rave on our own time. But we're never anywhere near offensive or anything like that. We're very cardious. We always take the high road.
00:49:28
Speaker
Yeah, there's no reason even when you know, we're treated brutally, which happens a lot. So back to the passive aggressive. Yeah. So how do you find clients that are a joy to work with? I would say if I if I was giving recommendations, Nathan.
00:49:47
Speaker
Put your ideals out there for your clients to see it. So it's not just your work that they're seeing. They're not just seeing the beautiful pictures of your work. Let them know who you are, what you stand for, and you'll attract more people that are aligned with that.
00:50:05
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, it's just popped in my head. Like, let's say you own a restaurant and in your burger place, but you make like really, really nice burgers. Yeah, with local ingredients, blah, blah, blah.
00:50:20
Speaker
If you look like McDonald's, you're going to get a bunch of people in there that don't want what you're selling if it's just a generic building on the outside. And people are going to want to know why a hamburger is $14. Yeah, you're going to come in, you're going to get a bunch of people bitching and moaning about
00:50:38
Speaker
I never in my life have I paid $14 for a burger. They don't know you baked the bun in the back, right? And you know didn't come in a plastic wrap. So make that information available and people make sure that people Get a feel for you before they ever even contact you. Yeah that way
00:50:59
Speaker
You're not going to get people barking up the wrong tree. Saves you time. Right. Because dealing with dead end leads can be a killer. Yeah, it's bad for morale and dealing with real leads is a killer. I mean, it takes up a lot of time to deal with real clients that that manifest into real good jobs. It's a lot of time to work and headache. We spend we talked about this before. We spend a work day in the shop.
00:51:25
Speaker
But at six o'clock, usually in the morning, over our respective coffees at home, we're talking. And a lot of it is, you know, just BS, but there's always work mixed in. And the same thing goes on till eight o'clock at night. Because it's always there. The work is always there. I said it a couple of weeks ago, either there's always work to do, either do it or you don't.
00:51:48
Speaker
Yeah, we'll wait. You know, we email before we leave. Is there anybody we got an email back? Is there anybody we can hound a little bit and not seem like we're paying? All right, I'll email him. Did you hear from so and so? Did you? No, no, I didn't. I'll tell you. Don't worry. Yeah. So that's it, man. Put yourself out there. Yeah. Agreed. All right.
00:52:14
Speaker
I think this is our last question today. This is a good one from Manny, our buddy Manny. Manny's always coming up with really, really insightful and well-worded questions. He's a smart guy. Yeah.
00:52:26
Speaker
So Manny asks with the growth of social media and the millions of how-to videos mixed with the do-it-yourself people Do you think the industry is actually taking food from its own mouth? So many people show trade secrets and in-depth videos showing how to accomplish things some of us get paid money to do You feel as if it's wrong to be handed out for free?
00:52:47
Speaker
Nobody wants to spend money on quality anymore. They just want whatever is now. That being said, have you thought about the long term effect this might have on the industry and yourselves? From our buddy Manny Sirianni. Yeah, that's a great insightful question. I would say I'm not concerned with that at all. Yeah, I agree.
00:53:13
Speaker
There are a couple of reasons. One, people can do the do-it-yourself stuff where it looks good from afar and is far from good.
00:53:24
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We know how hard it is to do this well and at this level. And we've spent, you know, our respective lifetimes and, you know, most of our waking hours trying to get better at it. And we have a full shop of tools. So if somebody can watch a video and do what I do, well, more power to them. Yeah, that's sort of my sentiment.
00:53:49
Speaker
I don't think you can. I'm sorry. It's always going to take work from the end user to be able to do any of these things if they're a high skill level, like a trade secret kind of thing. And I'm a big proponent of the thought that a rising tide raises all ships. That's true. If everybody gets better, it pushes everybody a little bit more. The standards get higher from the client. So I mean, that's good for everybody.
00:54:19
Speaker
Oh, yeah, there weren't all these guys hawking bullshit, melamine slap together cabinets. We'd all be better off if everybody was building grain mashed in frame inset. Oh, definitely. It'd be better for everybody. I maybe we took a different point of view on. I wasn't really speaking about the other professionals doing the work, but the people who watch a video at home and on the weekend, they want to do some. Oh, yeah. Good luck. That's what I mean. It's like,
00:54:49
Speaker
It's not going to detract from our business because we made a video or another woodworker made a video revealing how to do this. Yeah. Yeah. Jeff showed you how to make shaker panel doors. Right. So for someone like us, if let's say somebody else made the video and you watched it, you might pick up a little tip. Yeah. But you already know how to do all the operations. It's just a sequence of operations. Right. So you already know how to
00:55:18
Speaker
run a dado on the dado saw, how to cut a tenon on the dado saw. For someone that's never done it, just watching the video is not enough. That's like you don't watch Top Chef and all of a sudden you're a chef. They're not building their own kitchen after watching some videos on YouTube. No, it's going to take real hands-on work. Right. So that's why, to me, it means nothing as far as business. I happen to think
00:55:46
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It creates a client who appreciates us more like. Anand is the perfect example. He was a gentleman who took woodworking classes and he had a couple of pretty nice pieces for a guy who's an engineer and only had access to machines, you know, a couple of hours on one weekend day. I've seen guys on Instagram who are straight hobbyists have only built like six things.
00:56:15
Speaker
Ooh.
00:56:16
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100 times nicer than anything I've ever built. Right. Exactly. And but his appreciation for the stuff that we made for him was so high because he knew. Yeah. And even after building all the stuff, when he came to the shop, when we had his kitchen in mid stream, he was still blown away at like how much work and effort and matching all the parts and the hundreds of styles and rails that were all laid out.
00:56:48
Speaker
So I think it's good for everybody. And if you discount all of the like sort of the the filler, the crap, that's always going to be part of any mass exposure thing. Yeah. So so what are the questions Manny's asking us here? What is it going to have? Is it going to have a long term effect? We think so.
00:57:16
Speaker
I mean, will it have some effect? I think it might create some people who think they know more than they do. Yeah. But.
00:57:27
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Well, having people like this. No, no. I mean, because if you if you can build a kitchen, well, then you just build it. You don't have to come to us. And DIY TV has been making it look easy for at least a decade now. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they've been they've been turning hovels into mansions in three days for 10 years.
00:57:54
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So we don't we're not concerned about our niche of the business.
00:57:59
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No, and I can't say that there's a secret in here that we or I have that I'm not willing to tell anybody else. We learned it from somebody else. Right, right. We didn't invent anything. No, no. It's like music. Right. There's nothing new. There's 12 notes. Yeah. And in Western ears, there's only a certain sequence that sounds nice. Yeah.
00:58:25
Speaker
It was I'm reading um the anarchist design book right now, which is a lost art press book by Shit I forget the guy's name, but he talked about the It was this family it was a brother and a sister and a cousin from the border of West Virginia and Tennessee maybe and they they like wrote all these songs and then like Bob Dylan oh, yeah, we'll
00:58:54
Speaker
Wilson's maybe no, I don't know. Yeah, I thought maybe you might know interesting story though about how you know These people wrote all of these songs that are super famous, but then they were adapted by other people Yeah, I mean that's the way everything is somebody's done. Whatever you're trying to do somebody else has done it Probably done it really well. Yeah, that's right. So you're just you're putting your spin on it Yeah, and that's what we try to do. Yeah, we try to put our spin in it and
00:59:20
Speaker
keep our head above water, you know, feel proud of what we're doing. And we're not making a space shuttle. But I'd like to make some of those Japanese wooden satellites.
00:59:38
Speaker
All right. So we don't think that the industry is eating itself. No. And you know what? As these people are, this is a graph. They're going like this. We're going like this, too. Yeah. We're going up as they're going up. So I'm always going to be one step ahead of you, whoever you're trying to learn. I'm going to be one step ahead.
01:00:00
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Thank you, Manny, for that great question. Thanks, Manny. Yeah. Oh, brings us to page two. Yeah. Well, that's all we got for questions this week. All right. What do you think about the beer? Man, I like it. Yeah, it's good. I'll let you go first since I picked it out.
01:00:20
Speaker
I really liked it. I mean, what can I say? It's a good simple beer, the honey and vanilla. I mean, it's not super strong. Just tastes like a good, roasty kind of porter. Porters, I feel like are a little more dry than a stout, where a stout has more of a creamy kind of mouth feel and maybe like a little bit of sweetness. This is more dry, but it's very roasty, more like coffee than
01:00:47
Speaker
Yeah, you know, I was searching for a word, but roasty is it, you know, because it has this sort of depth in that direction that I couldn't, you know, put into words. It's got a nice flavor. I mean, it's it doesn't remind me of any of the other beers that we've had recently.
01:01:10
Speaker
No, I mean, we've had like a couple of stouts. We had the fluffest, which was that s'mores one. Yeah, that was pretty good. Yeah, the waffle one, which was terrible. What was the fruit strawberry or something? The raspberry coffee. Yeah, those got lost in the...
01:01:34
Speaker
in the freezer debacle of 2020. Now, you know, you can say that where we do reach, we do make a reach when we do this stuff. We're not just, you know, taking stuff that I never had any of these beers before. And I always resist
01:01:57
Speaker
taking something that I know is, you know, like just a nice casual dream. Yeah, I'm not going to go and get like a Corona or something. There's nothing to talk about. No, no. And this is, you know, if you see this label on here that says independent craft association, this is another small business in the United States.
01:02:18
Speaker
I don't know if they put this label on imported beers too, but it's supporting another small business. These are guys that are, you know, committed to their craft. These are guys like us? Yeah. So this is like the green street of beers versus buying a Budweiser, which is, you know, Tom down there in Long Beach. Yeah. Yeah. Just trying to shave a few cents, you know, off 10 million cans. Yeah. We're going to throw some rice in there. Not because, not for anything good, because it makes the beer a little bit cheaper. Right.
01:02:50
Speaker
Right. I guarantee that these guys were, uh, you know, like trying to find the vanilla for this and go, man, maybe nobody else is going to taste this or maybe 3% of the people by this are going to taste this. But if we go with the Madagascar vanilla, which is the best vanilla there is.
01:03:08
Speaker
That's what we want to do. And it's going to raise our cost, you know, 10 cents a can. Well, it's like this. You buy a six pack of Budweiser and it costs, let's say, five bucks. I have no idea. It might even be less than that. This four pack was probably what, 15 bucks? Yes, 14.99. So $15 divided by four is what we'll call it 250. 375. 375.
01:03:35
Speaker
Oh yeah, you're right. Excuse the headmat, that would be $10. $3.75. Meanwhile, the Budweiser... That's on sale for $12. Yeah. What's...
01:03:49
Speaker
What's six into four? Six into four dollars. What's that? That's a little more than seventy five cents, right? So you can get a Budweiser for seventy five cents. Yeah. And they're making sixty five cents on that Budweiser. This is three seventy five and they're making dollar fifty. Yeah.
01:04:10
Speaker
I know that's the crime of it. These guys at Roast. They're like us. Yeah. But you know what? They're sleeping good at night. You know, they're they're they're always thinking how are we going to sell more beer and how are we going to make the next beer better? And what's our next flavor and all this other stuff. But they're not getting rich making this. No, no, no. No. So, you know, here's to you, Ross. And you know, Cheers. Passaic porter.
01:04:44
Speaker
Yeah, it's good. Easy drinking too. I wonder where you can get this stuff. Like I wonder how broad their distribution is.
01:04:53
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know. Like most of these small breweries have like they all these small breweries like will deliver to your house. So you can just go on the website and they have maps like I know like Kane and Carton will have like OK, we do on Tuesdays is Monmouth County and Mercer County and Wednesdays is I don't even know what the counties are north of us and south of us. Ocean County. Yeah, whatever.
01:05:20
Speaker
So this is this is brewed up in Hackensack. OK. I mean, that's a big a big thing now is these small companies, they create the recipe basically and then they go to another larger brewery and brew the beer there. Right. As far as this association. Yeah. And it'll, you know, lower the cost. That way they don't have to have all the infrastructure.
01:05:43
Speaker
Yeah, and it makes their business possible, right? Because is probably I mean, you can probably tell just by the shape of the can and the label, you could probably like when I went into port side, I could probably pick out a half a dozen beers that are probably brewed in that. Oh, yeah. It's just a generic place. Yeah. And with a sticker on it, it's not like a Bud Light where it's
01:06:08
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Right. So on Tuesdays, they're they're working Ross. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and stuff like that. But that doesn't make it any less special. No. And some of these places will actually brew the beer at their own place and then they take it somewhere to get canned. Yeah. Yeah. Because that's where the where the real money is. It is in like the canning and bottling of all that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. It's got to be safe and all that. I'd like to check them out in a Red Bank.
01:06:34
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Cool they're over by Jamie ends I think oh, yeah Yeah, I really enjoyed this yeah, I had to tag them in a Instagram story, maybe yeah
01:06:49
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Well, as always, Tool of the Week is in the description. And on our website. Yep. We have a website. GreenTreeJointery.com. We have a Amazon storefront. If you want to check out Tools of the Week, different stuff that we use, got all kinds of stuff on there. Books that we've read.
01:07:13
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Everything from finishes, tapes, adhesives, you know, everything on there, we've used. That's right. And we use all the time. That's right. It's not just a bunch of bullshits. You know, it's real stuff that we use, so. Right after the show, we'll be doing, if you don't know, our Patreon after show, so we'll sit down for about another half hour here and get into some discussions, not always 100% woodworking related.
01:07:42
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Raw and uncut. We might even talk about ancient aliens. We don't digress too readily, do we? You heard us talking about the banana wars. That's right. You can find that on Patreon. I want to know how many of you had a Chiquita banana lately and thought the same after hearing that expose.
01:08:03
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All true. All true. I mean, it really makes you think. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks so much to the patrons. It means a lot. It does. I mean, not just, you know, the financial support, but we know how hard it is to earn a dollar.
01:08:21
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And we try and support the causes that mean something to us, whether it's in our purchasing decisions. I was showing Jeff today the email that I got. I got my Christmas card photos from Popcorn Park Zoo today. It's probably about an hour south of here in Lacey. There's a zoo called Popcorn Park, and it's a rescue zoo.
01:08:49
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animals that were either rescued from like a sideshow or found. They were injured in some way. Some lady that has like 700 cats in her house. Yeah. Yeah. So but they have bears, tigers, camels, everything. You have like farm animal type cows and sheep.
01:09:14
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And they live a pretty good life out there for the rest of their, you know, lives. A lot of them are old. And so my wife and I, we've been sponsoring animals out there for years now. One animal that we sponsor, his name's Uno. He's a pig and God help him. He's the ugliest pig in the whole place. Those pop alley pigs are so ugly. They really are. It's like the worst looking pig.
01:09:41
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He's got a couple of bad teeth. Big snotty nose. And then I don't know why. I mean, we, we have all these squirrels in our backyard, but there was one albino squirrel and some other injured squirrel. And of course we support their, their lifestyle.
01:10:03
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Yeah and your wife will drive down there with like blankets and sheets. Oh yeah, that's right. My wife goes to her friends and she collects blankets for the dog and cat shelter part of it. But that's the way we are, you know? We like to do those sorts of things in business and our personal life.
01:10:23
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That going back to what the patrons means to us it's it means something to make that show that physical show of it. And and support it's a it's a personal connection it's a more personal than there's a you know six hundred of you listening out there every week.
01:10:42
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And we have no real physical connection with these 12 people. I'm talking directly to these people and we're talking on Patreon and going back and forth. And we've made some friends through this now. We've had Keith come by, you know.
01:10:58
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John Peters, Wild Willy. Yeah. Yeah. We're going to have Tim, Timon, Ryan from Massey Carpentry, Tim from True Trade as soon as you know, as soon as we're able, as soon as this thing clears up. Yeah. We'll be back at it because guests are great. We love having guests. Yeah. It's cool to pick people's brain and
01:11:20
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You know, we're we're here chatting all day every day. So to be able to to pry into somebody else's head and and sort of get some insight from them and you know, it's it's cool. This is just a recorded version of what happened. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
01:11:37
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Also on the Patreon, like those guys got that new video today. Oh, that's right. You'll be able to check out the YouTube videos early. So, yeah, check it out. Yeah, we try and do whatever is possible for us. You know, something a little bit special to make it. Yeah, no pressure, but feel worthwhile. Yeah.
01:11:55
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Alright, so thanks. So yeah, so thanks to David Murphy, Manny Sirianni, Eric, Dustin, Fayer. Fayer like mayor or as I say mayor. He said yeah, he said no Jersey or Pittsburgh accent. Maybe I'm saying it wrong still. I don't know. So who is the who's the head of a city? An Adam podcast. I say mayor. I say mayor. Mayor. Mayor. Mayor. Like with an E. Mayor. Mayor.
01:12:24
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Yeah. Mayor. Mayor. Mayor. Mayor. So the way I say it's just really one syllable. Like M-A-H-R. Mayor. You know, I live so many places. Who knows what my accent is now? Alright. Yeah, so thanks guys. Cheers! We'll see you next week. Be well out there. Have a good 2021.
01:13:13
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Ain't no shame, but there's been a chain.