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The American Craftsman Podcast Ep. 40 | Close Enough?
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On Episode 40 of The American Craftsman Podcast, hosted by Greene Street Joinery, we discuss the phrase 'close enough.'
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Episode Milestones & Personal Reflections
00:01:21
Speaker
Well, here we are. Episode 40. Wow. Can you believe it? Big 4-0. That was a big year for me. 40? Yeah, that was 19... I don't know. Let's see. That was 1962. That was 2002. Right? I was born in 62. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, because that was the year we bought our house. That was my very first house.
00:01:51
Speaker
And that was 2002. We moved to New Jersey. I think I was in seventh grade, or eighth grade.
Recording Environment & Beer of the Week
00:02:00
Speaker
Must have been eighth grade. Seventh and eighth, second half of seventh. Yeah, who knew where you'd be in 40 years. Yeah, well.
00:02:14
Speaker
So it had to be it had to be it was 40. Oh, no, it wasn't 40. It was when I was 40 40 years ago, 40 years ago was 81. Yeah, I wasn't born yet. Yeah, here we are. Well, we're happy to be here. Yeah, as always in the frigid basement. Yeah, it's like 60 degrees down here. Yeah, it definitely feels like it's it's 90 outside right now.
00:02:39
Speaker
Yeah, it's nice and cool and dry down here. Yeah, I covered up the two there's two supplies down here. I actually covered them up and It's still still cool. You know we're under we're about seven feet underground. Yeah, so nice and cool
00:02:57
Speaker
Uh, might as well get into the beer of the week, huh? Oh yeah. This is, this is going to be either a smash out of the park, grand slam, or this is going to be send you, send you back to the miners young man. You just don't have it.
00:03:14
Speaker
But I took some extra pains to keep it chilled to give it every benefit that it could possibly get. Yeah, that five minute ride in 90 degrees. Forgotten, oh, Mexican coffee funnel cake, cream ale with coffee, spicy peppers and vanilla. Interesting.
00:03:42
Speaker
Now I see what you mean. Now, yes, forgotten boardwalk brewing company out of Cherry Hill, New Jersey. Um, the short description is cream ale, but it's called Mexican coffee funnel cake with coffee, spicy peppers and vanilla, as you stated. Um,
00:04:03
Speaker
Welcome to a carnival of epic proportions that are sure to shock and amaze, well worn and deceptive in its familiarity. This beer is a compendium of elements of coffee, vanilla, and spice. We partnered up with the sommelier from our Cherry Hill neighbors, Melita Coffee.
00:04:25
Speaker
What? Sommelier for coffee. I don't think that's the right terminology. Huh. To create a specialty roast for this spiced up brew. Needless to say, enjoy the show. I like the can. Oh yeah, the can's terrific. Sort of a... Like a three-eyed voodoo cat. Yeah, like a tattoo flash-esque artwork. Kind of a woodpecker and yeah. I like the colors. Yeah, there's a lot going on there.
00:04:55
Speaker
Yeah. I gotta figure out how to pour. I'm not gonna get it this week. Not the color I was expecting. No, especially as they describe it a cream ale. I mean, it is the color of a cream ale, but
00:05:20
Speaker
Just with everything that's in there, I don't know. I was expecting it to be darker. Yeah. Yeah. But a cream ale is this kind of like yellowy. OK. Like a Genesee. Oh, that's right. I had a friend from Buffalo that was big on the Genesee cream ale. Cheers. I'm pretty full. Interesting. You can smell the spice right off the top. Hmm.
00:05:53
Speaker
Wow. I couldn't give it a verdict right off the bat. That's very interesting. Brewed and canned by Forgotten Boardwalk Brewing, Cherry Hill, New Jersey. Why is it Forgotten Boardwalk? Cherry Hill is nowhere near the beach. Unless there's a boardwalk on the Delaware River.
00:06:28
Speaker
The one thing I'll say about it is a lot of these beers of late have had kind of these esoteric ingredients, I'll call it. And this one, you can really taste some like the spicy peppers. Yeah. Mexican coffee funnel cake. I'm definitely getting like a churro kind of taste.
00:06:59
Speaker
That must be the vanilla. Yeah. Yeah. And definitely there's some cinnamon in there. Yeah. You're right. I wonder if it lists everything. Yeah. That's the one thing about beer. It's not like food where, you know, you have to list the ingredients. Yeah. I guess it's not considered like a actual food. I think you're right about that cinnamon. Yeah.
00:07:25
Speaker
It has almost like a milky kind of quality to it. It's good. I feel a little bit of the spice now. I figured you would appreciate it. It's got a lot going on. Let's get into the tool of the week. Yeah, bring it on. It's your week.
00:07:53
Speaker
So sorry, I'm still trying to get my mic adjusted.
Tool of the Week
00:07:57
Speaker
So you guys know we had audio issues. I'm not even gonna fuck around with it. Had audio issues a couple times. And so this, this cord right here, if you're watching goes through this boom arm, it goes out to the mixer and the one that we got had a bum coordinate, unfortunately. So
00:08:19
Speaker
Tool of the week this week is the Gayakucho little flush trim saw. So I guess they're calling it the 1151. So this is
00:08:36
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You know, just a little Japanese pull saw, but there's no set to it. So it's totally flat. I know for a long time I tried to use a Japanese saw as a flush cut saw and it doesn't work. You just mar up your piece. So this you can actually set down.
00:08:55
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You can set down on top, press it down with your fingers and cut. And, you know, it's not leaving any scratches on the surface. So use this for trimming plugs and Miller Dow, stuff like that. Yeah. Even, you know, you may run parts long like a
00:09:17
Speaker
I don't know, I can't think of something specific off the top of my head, but you run into these situations where you run a piece long and you just need to trim it off and... Maybe like a little piece of molding or something like that. Yeah, I was thinking like a... I don't know, maybe like a face frame if you had a singular piece of hardwood edge banding, something like that. So it's good for that. Cheap, you know, 15 bucks or so, super flexible.
00:09:43
Speaker
And, you know, it's a sort of a unit tasker, but it does what it does really well. Yeah, you have to have one of those in the shop. Yeah. And the no set on the teeth is really. Yeah, I mean, you can't. Can't use a saw with set. And I think it has it does have two different types of teeth. The one side is a little bit finer than the other.
00:10:12
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So yeah, the Guy Kucho 1151.
00:10:16
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dig it. Let's cut saw. That's how it's different than maybe a lot of saws you might find out there that have a similar appearance is the no set on the teeth because I've had one or two where the teeth are pitched out on both sides and you can't use it that way unless you put something down like a card scraper and then you still have to go back and hit it with a plane. Yeah.
00:10:44
Speaker
Yeah, it's nice, very nice. Yeah, about 15 bucks. Have a link down there. Yeah, as always. Pick one up. Let us know what you think.
Staying Motivated on Social Media
00:10:57
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Yeah, Guy Kucho's good. Good stuff. Had a little blurb here, someone wrote in. One of our patrons, Adam.
00:11:09
Speaker
He said a few weeks ago you were answering Eric's question about staying motivated and not judging yourself too harshly based on what you see on YouTube or Instagram. I once heard someone sum that up really well and thought it might be worth passing on. Just because so many people struggle with it.
00:11:25
Speaker
The saying was, don't compare your backstage to everyone else's front stage. Man, I wish someone would have let me know that when I was like 18. So I thought that was good. I thought we'd share that with you guys. Thanks a lot, Adam. Yeah, we got a good question by Adam, too. Actually, I think that's that's our question of the week. So you can find that on the Patreon. Cool. Last week we talked about the theoretical Green Street compound. Yeah, yeah. Hypothetical.
00:11:55
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Yeah, but you know, there's always a dream. Certainly not out of the picture. We're out of the realm of possibility. The only thing that seems out of the possibility is my electrified fence. I think we debunked the myth. We did debunk that. The electrified jangling fence. This beard, it has barely any carbonation. Yeah, it's different. I'll say that.
00:12:36
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Get on to the first question of the week. Yeah. I'm just pondering this beer. I don't know how I feel about it. All right. Well, here's something else to ponder. This is from Dino Koros Carpentry on Instagram. Is that a Greek name? I think so. You know, I'm part Greek. I'm not shocked.
00:12:57
Speaker
That's a Syrian heritage. It's spread all over the Mediterranean and Northern Africa. Yeah. That's what the other half of my family always likes to remind me of. So Dino, he's asking, do women use men that know how to build things? That's a provocative question, isn't it? Yeah. Today's time. I'm going to say that
00:13:30
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How do I how do I want to put this I'm gonna pass it to you All right. Well, I'm gonna say a short answer and this is in a you know an all-encompassing all women sort of thing, but does it happen? Yes, definitely and
00:13:52
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This is just part of the dance between men and women. Especially in youth and younger days, women tend to use their sexuality as a bargaining chip. And men, we don't have that as much. So what are we going to use? This is just sort of the mating ritual dance that goes on.
00:14:17
Speaker
Yeah, I've never been so lucky as to my my skill set wanting to be traded for Any type of supposed dance? It's not it's not a direct trade. It's not like us like a Transaction takes place, you know, just just part of the dance. Yeah I Was gonna say like I don't know I feel like
00:14:43
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Not so much. It's not until you are deeply married until these things start, you know, where your specific skill set just is sort of like an expectation where it's like, well, you know, this is what you do, so can't you just do this or that? And, you know, not to say there's anything inherently wrong with that because we all have our strong suits and, you know, why shouldn't we use them to our advantage, but
00:15:12
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Do I think there's women out there who are like, Hey, Dino knows how to build cabinets. So I'm gonna go flirt with them and get some cabinets. I mean, maybe but I don't know. I I tell you, I used to get a lot of that rocky. Can you come over and hang some curtains for me? Do you know how to put up this shower rod? Maybe I'm just naive.
00:15:36
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But I can add on to this little question. It's not just women. I have, I had, I'll say a male, I can't even call him a friend, an acquaintance, a friend of my spouse's.
00:15:54
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And this guy used to just use me for like, oh, man, Rob, can can you take me to Home Depot? This guy who was like, yeah, it's like two minutes off the highway. Yes. It's like an hour. Yeah. It was over an hour to get down there and.
00:16:11
Speaker
So, you know, I was when I had first moved. I didn't have a lot of friends. So I would go along and everything. And he didn't really know which end of the hammer to hold. And I was, oh, can you do this? Help me with this. Hang these closet doors. Can you do this? Can you do that? So I used to say to my wife, you know, the only time he calls me is when he needs something or needs like me to carry some stuff home in the truck. Oh, that's not true. She says, I said, watch this.
00:16:42
Speaker
first time ever, I said, I told him I couldn't do it. He never called me again. You got up easy. Yeah. So it's not just women and it's not just knowing how to build things. But I think if we all take a look at ourselves, we'll see. We're all guilty of, you know, moving those pieces around some way or another. That's just that's human nature. Dance. Yeah.
00:17:09
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So yeah, Dino happens all the time in one form or another.
Gender Dynamics in Skill Utilization
00:17:16
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Not the comical answer, I think Dino was probably looking for. No, you mean like the wah wah guitar wah. Oh, Jeffrey, come on in. Yeah, I was just getting out of the shower, but I want you to take a look at these bathroom cabinets for me. No, we know that definitely does not happen. Only in the magazines.
00:17:41
Speaker
Penthouse, you know, I never believe those stories until I'm too young for that. Okay. I want to hear from Tyler T Asher 702 on Instagram. What's a tool that isn't designed for woodworking, but you use in the shop? Oh, yeah. I thought that was a good one. It is a good question.
00:18:01
Speaker
I could think of a bunch of stuff that's near related like metal working tools and especially like measuring tools, things like that. Striking tools. But I was trying to think of something like good. The only thing I could think of is when we used my meat thermometer to the steam. Now we got our very own meat thermometer for the steam box.
00:18:26
Speaker
I couldn't bring that back in the house. The first thing I thought of, I bought a set of palette knives, which are like little spatulas they use for painting, you know, for moving paint around on a palette and even putting paint onto a canvas. And I use those all the time for, you know, putty and epoxy and all that kind of stuff.
00:18:52
Speaker
you know, getting into little cracks with whatever, maybe glue or filler or whatever. You know, they're very, they're pretty small. They come in different sizes.
00:19:05
Speaker
Yeah, I find that much much nicer than using a putty knife. Putty knife gets kind of clunky and it's not really the right shape. Like you have to use a putty knife on the end and the palette knife is like a diamond shape so you can hold it and you still have a flat surface to to scrape across with so.
00:19:24
Speaker
Gives you that nice flex, too. Yeah. Yeah, putting a knife just seems clunky after using that. And we don't use a lot of putty or anything like that, but when we do, it comes in handy. Yeah, it sits right on top of the little container we have usually. Yeah, I got a couple of different sizes that come rounded, pointed at different lengths. I like the small. It's like maybe an inch long.
00:19:50
Speaker
Yeah. It's nice if you're hitting like a couple of little brad holes or something like that. Yeah. Like if you build paint grade doors and you shoot a couple of brad nails in the back into the tenon, you swipe it over that real quick and you're good to go. Yeah. All right. You want me to read the next one? Yeah.
Secrets & Techniques for Glue-Ups
00:20:10
Speaker
This is from Miles, one of our patrons. Eat, drink, wine guy on Instagram. Hit him up. What's your secret to flat panel glue ups? Biscuits, dominoes, clamping calls? I think you're going to be disappointed. Yeah, it's pretty simple. It's just really flat and square wood and parallel clamps and maybe some calls if you need it, but that's really it.
00:20:39
Speaker
Yeah, we take a lot of time prepping the wood. Yeah. That's that's kind of our calling card. You know, we really in stages re you know, acclimatize the wood, playing it more than once. So as long as you got a nice clean end on there, and those clamps, I mean, these things just kind of put themselves together most of the time.
00:21:09
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, if everything is the same thickness and it's nice and flat and the edges are square, then it should just go together. Granted, sometimes a board has a little bit of a twist or something to it and you might need to work it together to get it to all line up without having to sand the hell out of it. I think that dominoes and biscuits are a waste of time. Yeah, me too. The structure,
00:21:37
Speaker
Basically just don't really add structure. Dominoes add structure, but it's not needed. Because, you know, the glue is stronger than the wood anyway, so the wood's gonna break before. Unless you have like some sort of cantilever, like a 24 inch overhang that someone's gonna be like jumping on, I don't see the need to reinforce an edge glue. Yeah, we had one guy, I still think I have PTSD from his glue ups.
00:22:06
Speaker
Oh, with hitting him with the hammer? His method was to tighten the clamps up and then smack down the joints as hard as he could. So when you smack the right side, the left side goes out, then you go smack the left side. I swear, I jump out of my skin, be working over my back. Face the other way. Crack!
00:22:28
Speaker
You know, just not even with a dead blow with like a, you know, the hard plastic hammers. Oh my God.
00:22:39
Speaker
Yeah, finesse I think is key on the glue up. And you know, you tighten them until they just, you can move them with finger pressure, move them up and down to get them lined up. Then you tighten the clamp down. You don't tighten the clamp down first and then try and move them. It doesn't make sense. Because if it moves, it means it's not clamped down.
00:23:00
Speaker
Yeah, it always helps to be doing things over and over and over again. You learn the little nuances of your setup and all these things. So I think that's why those things don't present a problem for us. I've been doing it this way for 40 years.
00:23:22
Speaker
I have been doing it that way for about 20, so. Yeah, the clamps make a big difference for me, too. Yeah. I think even if you're using pipe clamps or something. Yeah. You know, doing the over-under thing. Yeah. I got one here from Peter. I think he's local to us. Ruster Holtz, Woodworking on Instagram. He's getting a little personal here. Do you guys have a monthly or yearly gross sales number per person to keep the lights on?
00:23:51
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, we kind of go week to week. You know, we get paid weekly. So I would suppose that's our weekly number, isn't it? Yeah. To me, keep the lights on applies like not including our what we pay ourselves. Yeah. So we won't get into specific numbers, but, you know, we have insurance, all of our subscriptions, which are like QuickBooks and Google Suite and that kind of stuff. That's really it. Yeah. Yeah.
00:24:20
Speaker
You know, the shop is on Rob's property. And, you know, so there's no obviously if we're not working, Rob's not going to pay his mortgage. But so it's kind of a complicated. It's a complicated answer. So there's no like rent per se. Yeah. But but the business carries things at times, you know, and it's so everything's equitable.
00:24:46
Speaker
because that's a question that comes up with people. Yeah. But we don't have any problems with that. I think part of that is just that comes down to character, you know. Yeah. Otherwise, you know, again, go harking back to
00:25:05
Speaker
Well, it's not like you bought the house with the shop there. So it's like the mortgage payment is the house in the shop. You built the shop and then it ended up paying it off over, you know, however long. And so it's like kind of like the shop is just there. I mean, the shop was there when I worked at Tom's. Yeah. Just sitting. I didn't even go in there for like a year. That's when all the mice moved in. That's true.
00:25:31
Speaker
because when we moved into the shop, there were all kinds of little mice and everything everywhere in the drawers. We did have that squirrel that was getting in for a while. Yeah. Yeah. It's probably got too hot up there. Oh, in the attic. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Not a lot of action. The last, uh, yeah, maybe they're dead up there. That's well, I hope not. Well, smell that.
00:25:57
Speaker
Yeah, so I mean, we just try and keep a positive cash flow. There have been times, especially through the pandemic, where we're running out of work and we're going, uh-oh, what are we going to do next week? And then we just start beating the bushes. And we're fortunate that we're both pretty much hard workers. We're not going to sit around and just take it. So we've gone out and rustled up somewhere.
00:26:27
Speaker
That's the way that goes. Yeah, I mean, it's it doesn't always just fall on your lap. No. And we're not afraid to go out there and make some calls and do things to see what's out there, too. That was a good one. We've got a funny one here from from our buddy, Tim. True trade, carpentry. What's your favorite woodpecker tool?
00:26:57
Speaker
I'm trying to think of one that I do like that I could probably think on it for a bit there listen I'm a big hater on the woodpecker's tools because I don't
00:27:09
Speaker
See a lot of people who have like a job site table saw and like 15 woodpecker squares And it just pisses me off because they got it totally backwards You know people they have this marketing thing and it's all subliminal and and none of it's like direct They're not like you need these woodpecker's tools to be a good woodworker like a club But they put them in certain people's hands and put it in front of you know, it's all this
00:27:36
Speaker
Influencer marketing and stuff and I just don't see the value in the tools because I Mean we use just regular movies good marketing tools, but nothing crazy. We don't have a wall full of squares So I got a I got a real bug up my ass about woodpeckers
00:27:56
Speaker
Plus, they're red. Yeah, and aluminum, which is not a very accurate metal because it fluctuates. We don't really have any woodpecker tools. No.
00:28:09
Speaker
I mean, if they sent some along to try, I would certainly give them a fair shot. Yeah, I'm not going to send it back and say I'm not even going to try it. Right. I'm sure the stuff is decent or even good. It might be great for all I know, but I just find the the need is not really there. Yeah. For myself, when I've been in the market for something that Woodpecker makes,
00:28:36
Speaker
not directly woodpecker. I've always chosen another brand based on, you know, like a quality and cost comparison. Yeah. What spurred this question is I sent this video of they have like a combo square that has like, they're like, Oh, it's got D 10 set every inch.
00:28:55
Speaker
It's got a little flip thing that flips out so it doesn't fall down when you put on the edge of a board. It's got all holes in the thing so you can draw lines. They're like, you can mark 45 degree miters. Who's marking miters? Like the whole thing. Not just marking long points, short points. I don't get it. We don't use a 45 degree square.
00:29:22
Speaker
I don't think ever in the shot that really nice one. I have that Japanese one. I think the last time I took it down was to show it for like two of the week probably and maybe do a little bit of small layout. I just I don't know what everybody's laying out so much.
00:29:39
Speaker
you know most of these things are just like being worked out on the table saw or the band saw or whatever with setting fences and fixtures and jigs and stuff i just maybe we're in a different type of realm of workflow i don't know i don't know yeah i barely even pull out the double square yeah yeah that and it usually that's
00:30:03
Speaker
to check something that's already kind of been done. I use it to lay out screws. That's the 99.9% of the time. And if I pull out the double square...
00:30:14
Speaker
or a combo square, it's just to lay out lines for screws, which really I don't even have to do. I'm just obsessive over it. Right. They make something now, it looks like a woodpecker version of, you know, it's probably about a foot long. Like, you know those drywall T-squares? I guess that's what it is. It's a T-square, almost like a drafting T-square. It's filled with holes. Yeah. Yeah, Tim's got like three of them. I was busting his balls.
00:30:44
Speaker
I just saw that on the that combo square thing. They're like, yeah, you can draw lines every one sixteenth of an inch. Well, OK, you can. But for what? Yeah, you know, as an old draftsman, it seems like a more useful tool sitting at a drafting table and using it as a T square. But nobody does that anymore anyway. No, I don't even do that anymore. I went to school for it.
00:31:11
Speaker
Like, let's say you wanted to draw lines, sorry, lines every sixteenth of an inch down a board. It would be more accurate and easier to just draw out a tick mark every sixteenth at the top and at the bottom and then connect them with a straight edge. Because then you're not worried about trying to slide your pencil with this thing. Yeah, I'm not sure why that would be necessary on a board in the real world. I'm going to drill holes every sixteenth of an inch. Yeah, that's a small hole.
00:31:42
Speaker
a one thirty second hole every sixteenth of an inch to make a slot. All right, Woodpecker, we're throwing down the gauntlet. Send us a tool. No, don't even make us eat our words. If Rob and I disappear, you know who did it. Those dickheads over Woodpecker's.
00:32:05
Speaker
This is from Manny, our patron to Manny mistakes on Instagram and great friend and co-worker. Yeah, it should be coming by the shop pretty soon. You want to read it? Yeah. Is close enough a measurement ever used by you guys and what are your thoughts on the phrase itself?
00:32:28
Speaker
Yeah, I would say that we use that in an appropriate way. It's not to be taken as something that you use in your everyday terminology, like you're not being careful. But there are some instances where, let's say we were adding a style onto a cabinet with a scribe on it.
00:32:53
Speaker
We don't really know how big that scribe needs to be. You know, we have a general idea. So should I make that two and a half or two and three eights? Two and three eights is close enough. Yeah.
00:33:06
Speaker
I think you kind of hit the nail on the head. It's like, you know, if you're if close enough is good enough all the time, then you got a problem. But if in an appropriate situation, you know, something that's not going to be seen, you know, that's never going to be seen by the client is going to be covered up, then close enough is close enough. Let's say you're you know, you're making a an end panel and it's four quarter with a rabbeted, you know, panel inside of it.
00:33:34
Speaker
And, you know, the panel's got an eighth inch gap on the backside. Wow, that's close enough, right? Because it doesn't matter. But yeah, if if you're making a door an eighth of an inch and it's three sixteenths, that's not close enough. It don't you can't use it as a crutch.
00:33:54
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. If it's just a part of speech, it's certainly used. If it becomes an actual measurement, then you're in trouble. Blue, 32 minutes, 45 seconds. First you go on to the show. Oh, yeah, we go. That was pretty good.
00:34:10
Speaker
Yeah, I think it was an hour six last time. Oh, maybe not. No. Had to have like a yawn count at the bottom. What's going on over your shop, Manny? Is close enough? Close enough is that's for a job. A plus. Lou had Lou introduced me to the expression good from far, far from good. Yeah.
00:34:40
Speaker
That's that goes hand in hand with close enough, doesn't it? Yeah, shit. Prairie cork for those wide open spaces.
00:34:53
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Yeah. Indeed. You got this one from AC. All right. Yeah. I know you all have discussed the Domino any opinions or experience on the Lamello Zeta P2 AC. Brasso designs on Instagram. Then in Covington, Louisiana.
00:35:11
Speaker
There you go. That's a name for Louisiana. Yeah, quite appropriate. I wonder if he says Louisiana. Louisiana. Louisiana. Is it Yankees? I just say Louisiana. I'd say it's probably more people than not.
00:35:27
Speaker
Yeah. Well, we don't know. Maybe you could correct us on that. So I know you haven't used it, right? No. I haven't used the Zeta either. We were just kicking around the idea a couple of weeks ago of getting one for this commercial job because we have some parts that need to be joined on site, you know, for this wall, this sort of applique, this decorative
00:35:54
Speaker
It's a tree that goes on the wall. I don't know how to explain it any better. But not an actual tree. It's sort of a cubist representation of a tree. Yeah, a very geometric representation of a tree.
00:36:13
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So for those of you that don't know, the Lamello makes biscuit joiners and doweling machines and stuff. The Zeta P2, it cuts basically, imagine a biscuit slot, but then the very furthest part of it has an additionally wider channel. So you can slide in these connectors that get locked into the groove, into the
00:36:36
Speaker
the round mortise, the semicircular mortise, and you can have connectors that clip together, like straight in, edge to edge like this, that slide in together, that connect with a locking mechanism with an Allen key. There's like maybe four or six different things you can use, and you can use it to just cut regular biscuits.
00:37:01
Speaker
It's like fifteen hundred bucks. It's it's definitely a cool tool. But. You know, I haven't used it so really can't give a real opinion on it, aside from the sort of cool factor. And I could definitely see. I mean, there's definitely been times where we're like, oh, man, we had that. We could have done this or. But, you know, you make do. I mean, Lamello makes good stuff.
00:37:27
Speaker
Yeah, and we have used the lamella biscuit joiner. Yeah, you know a lot and it said it's a damn nice biscuit joiner That's yeah, probably about a six seven hundred dollar biscuit joiner. There's a difference between it and you know, yeah Ryobi yeah the wall everybody's used the wall that the wall it's like
00:37:45
Speaker
Yeah, you feel that thing when you run it. That was one of my first tools. I actually gave it away. It was before I even had a domino. I just said, I just don't have a use for this. I don't really like
00:37:59
Speaker
what I know about it. I mean, I'm sure there could have been different times I could have used it. But and I think Festool is starting to produce a line of like RTA type. Yeah, they've had them out for a while. I've heard nothing but negative things about them. Yeah, I don't think it's
00:38:21
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I don't think the two things need to go together, like the biscuit and the domino and these like, uh, I call them sort of like RTA assemblies, not yet knocked down. Yeah. Um, so we don't have any, any hands on experience. Our opinions on lamello stuff for high. Um,
00:38:43
Speaker
I guess if you presented us with a specific application, you know, we would say, yeah, we would we would dig having that or now we'll just do it the way we would normally do it.
00:38:55
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, if we had it, we'd certainly use it. But, you know, we've survived thus far. I mean, there's even times where it's like if we had a biscuit joiner, I would have done this. But, you know, there's only so much room for tools. That's true. That's true. We've shed a few pounds over the year and a half, two years. Get rid of the dead wood. That's it. Deadwood out.
00:39:19
Speaker
This is a topical question here from Matt.
Woodworking Conditions & Client Spending
00:39:26
Speaker
First, do construction on Instagram without air conditioning in the shop. What would be the desired humidity level to try and maintain?
00:39:36
Speaker
I'd say in that 35% sort of range that's like typical indoor Ideal humidity level I guess yeah, yeah, and maybe I'm off by you know five degree or something I think that's about it 35 40 percent from everything I've read anything over 50 becomes humid and anything under 30 becomes kind of too dry and
00:40:03
Speaker
Yeah, like we have a humidifier hooked up to our furnace and it's set at 35. There you go. So in the winter time, there's like a little honeycomb wick that the pipe feeds water to it and the air goes by it.
00:40:25
Speaker
There's a little bypass. So right now it's bypassed. But yeah, that's what we keep it at 35. Yeah. Um, I wonder what it is in the shop with the AC on. It's probably, it's gotta be close to that. Yeah. I mean, it's comfortable. Yeah. And these have been probably some of the most uncomfortable days we've had in a long time. These last three. Yeah. It's been hot and the humidity.
00:40:51
Speaker
Yeah, New Jersey is very humid in the summertime. Very humid. You're talking to a guy from Louisiana. Yeah, that's true. He's saying pasha. I see your humidity and rays you. Yeah, it definitely can't be as bad as it is down there. I think sometimes it's got to be about the same.
00:41:15
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, we get it. We've hit 90 percent. Haven't we up here? I don't know. Or is that possible? Could that just be the temperature? No. I mean, there's times where it's 100 percent of us raining. Yeah. But I mean, like the I wonder what it is these last few days. Like I wonder what it was yesterday. Because that would have been a good gauge.
00:41:46
Speaker
U.S., Midwest and Mississippi have recorded dew point temperatures above 80. I don't know what that means. You can see what it is right now. Yeah, that's true. I mean, it's not nearly as bad as it was yesterday. I'm going to guess it's in like the 70s. 76 percent. OK, so it had to be at least in the low 80s yesterday as far as humidity.
00:42:14
Speaker
Uh, yeah, I'd agree. Yeah. So yeah, keep it in, keep it under 50. That's what I would say. Yeah. Anything under 50 and you'd be all right. Yeah. You won't be in for catastrophic failure. That sounds so comforting. You want to read the next one? Yeah. Got one here from our buddy Kevin. He's one of our patrons, Kevin McMahon on Instagram. What are common areas clients don't spend enough time or money on in a project?
00:42:44
Speaker
You know, I know that we've experienced it and we kind of worked through it with that kitchen job, but I'm always disappointed at how little clients seem to care about the drawer boxes. You know, you could say, yeah, I can make you this nice three quarter inch clear maple drawer box dovetail, blah, blah, blah.
00:43:15
Speaker
Oh, you can give me this. On the other end, there's this plywood drawer box that your other furniture has in it. You see the difference? Yeah, but do I really need that? Yeah, that's what they say. Yeah, that's definitely a common occurrence. I mean, I think it's just an overall kind of thing.
00:43:42
Speaker
you know, overall people, not our clients, because if they're not of this mindset, they never become a client. But I think just people in general don't, aren't willing to spend enough time or money, not even time, it's not their time, but they're not willing to spend enough money on something, their expectations, budgetary expectations are way too low. Yeah. For a, you know, a custom piece of furniture.
00:44:05
Speaker
So especially like infrastructure items, I would say they really, they don't want to concern themselves with that. No, they only care about what you see.
00:44:18
Speaker
But there's all sorts of, there's plenty of areas. Even hardware, decorative hardware. There's a big difference between a $5 piece of hardware and a $25 piece of hardware. I always used to tell clients for interior door hardware, you're gonna be touching this every single day. You have a quick set, I have a quick set upstairs. You have a quick set knob on your front door, it feels like shits.
00:44:47
Speaker
You have a piece of Rocky Mountain hardware, it's a whole different realm. And we experience that all the time, don't we? And the times that clients let us pick out the hardware, they always are really impressed with it. And then they see the difference in cost isn't that much at all.
00:45:11
Speaker
No, and even if it is, it's worth it. Yeah, that's what I mean. The values there is what I should have said. Yeah, they don't spend enough time or money on those things.
00:45:27
Speaker
And I don't know. I mean, it seems to be, I would say they don't spend enough time on proper planning. They want something. And then you give them a drawing, and you say, well, you see how this isn't going to work? Because you wanted something that's 60 inches, and your room's only 100 inches wide. And now you can't get around this piece without moving this chair out of the way.
00:45:58
Speaker
So I think those are we look at them as opportunities for us in a way. Yeah. I mean, I don't expect the client to know that kind of stuff. Yeah. So that's that's just their ignorance. And I don't mean ignorance in a negative connotation. No, but it's it's good when we walk into a situation like that because it allows us to sort of gain a little bit more control over the input of the job and then the direction we can build trust.
00:46:28
Speaker
With the client. Yeah, you know when you're first meeting with someone you're going through all these this like you're in like the proving ground where you You need to have those opportunities to say well, no, it's actually like this so they start to see like oh wow I can actually trust these people right know what they're talking about and you know if you come in and the client has the whole thing design What the hell they need you for? They might as well just go have some guy down the street make it Chico. Yeah she's Yeah, we know Chico
00:46:59
Speaker
if you knew Chico like you got this next one Oh about air conditioning. Oh, that was a that was three questions ago. Oh, you read that one.
00:47:14
Speaker
Do you work with Veneer? If so, is a vacuum press worth the money? John Trinity Tradesman on Instagram. I have to say I'm getting pretty good with addiction lately. I must, must be the vitamins I'm taking. Must be the 62 years of practice. Trinity Tradesman, 59, 59, 1962. Short answer, no and yes.
00:47:42
Speaker
So I mean not that we haven't worked with veneer, but we don't regularly work with veneer or or You know typically working into jobs, but if you are then a vacuum press is definitely worth it. Yeah, yeah We've used a vacuum press before we don't own one it makes the job so much easier Yeah, and there's a lot there's a lot you can do with it. You know bent laminations Yeah, yeah
00:48:08
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, that's another one of those things. If we had 1500 bucks laying around, we'd grab one of those too. Yeah. And a nice five dedicated space for it is nice. So you don't have to unroll it and all that other junk.
00:48:24
Speaker
I like working with veneers at times because it gives you a chance to use some different types of wood that you wouldn't necessarily get to put into a job. But mostly, for me, it's been like accent wood and things like that, like some drawer faces or something like that.
00:48:44
Speaker
Yeah, it's a good way to work a figured wood into a job. And you don't have to worry about the workability and the cost as much. Because you don't want to be planning birds-eye maple all day. No, no. And I mean, if you had a big enough job, a decent sized kitchen or a room full of furniture kind of thing, that vacuum press would pay for itself for that very first job. Then the next job, it's free. Yeah. I like that math. Yeah.
00:49:16
Speaker
You could have a real good job. You get a Zeta P2 and a backing bag. And a Woodpecker Square. You could use it as a doorstop. What features would you want? You're not going to send me anything now. Not bringing any of that shit into the shop. What features would you want in your dream workbench? I'm building mine now. It's from Nathan at Tree of Life Woodworking on Instagram.
00:49:41
Speaker
I'm a little envious that Nathan is building his dream work bench. That's something both you and I would like to do. Yeah. And it's not that I have a bad bench because I spent like eleven hundred bucks on my bench. Yeah. Your bench is nice. Twenty years ago. And it was simple economics that even though that was a lot of money back then it still is the idea of having to build it because
00:50:11
Speaker
You're not going to just half ass your bench. No. You're going to build it. It's going to be all the bells and whistles. And you're going to take time to cut all the joinery because it's a lifetime thing. So I said, let me cut myself off at the pass here and just buy this so I don't spend two months and $3,000 making what I could get here for $1,100. Not the same bench, of course.
00:50:40
Speaker
a bench that served me well for 20 years now and will keep going. Yeah, it's a lot of time and even the material costs a lot. I would definitely want a couple of those twin screw vices, the ones that
00:51:03
Speaker
Um, you know, we'll can't and stuff like that. Uh, sliding dead man. I mean, the whole, you want the whole nine and everything. Yeah. Dogs. Yeah. Square dog holes, round dog holes, you know, for hold fast. Um, like an advice. No. Yeah. Face, vice and an invoice. And, uh, well, how do you feel about the tray?
00:51:28
Speaker
on the back. I mean, I use it. My bench is too small. It's too fucking small. Yeah. Even with that extension I put on it. Yeah. You know, you need a big bench because you need a place to put things. Yeah. I wish my bench was bigger too. And yours about twice the size of mine. Well, I use the tray too, but it's like the tray is like the dining room table. You know, if the tray wasn't there, would I miss it is the question.
00:51:59
Speaker
You know, do you just put stuff in there because it's there? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I think you'd be putting it. The good thing is it gets it out of the way, at least. Yeah. You know, if it's not tall, it'll you're working over top of it. Yeah. I always have like a couple of pieces of sandpaper in there. Errant screws all slide off into the into the tray there. So let's maybe a small tape measure.
00:52:31
Speaker
But yeah, I like everything you said. What kind of wood would you... That's the least of my concerns to start with. Would you be using it in an artistic fashion, the woods? Maybe a little bit, but not really.
00:52:48
Speaker
Yeah. I don't know. I could see like adding some dark colored accents to things. Yeah. Yeah. The vices and maybe that but the top I'd probably want nice and clean and clear.
00:53:04
Speaker
Yeah, I'd be more concerned with functionality and the aesthetic, you know, nice joinery and stuff. But like Scan Woods, like his new bench, it's just we've been working on the thing for like months, months and months. That's what happened with these lambs, tongues, hand, car. And it's beautiful, but.
00:53:24
Speaker
you know, the first time I chop into it with my chisel, I'm going to fucking lose my mind. That's what I was about to say. You see, I mean, I'm pretty much a, a work a day kind of guy. Like I, I don't want to drill into my bench, but I've done that. If I have to, I will. And then I'll go back and there's a couple of areas where there's actually like an inch plug in the top of my bench.
00:53:47
Speaker
But so that's what happens and you're right. I wouldn't want to make it so nice that I would be afraid to mar it up because it's a work bench. Yeah, you don't worry about getting finish on it or glue, right? You know, you could get glue on there, but then you got to get the glue off. Yeah, it's going to leave a blemish. Yeah. You know, you get something metal with glue on it and you get a blue spot. I mean, it's going to happen. Yeah.
00:54:17
Speaker
So, yeah, like I just can't see spending that much time on it. You like the idea of cabinets underneath the bench? Oh, yeah. Yeah, me too. I'd probably spend more time trying to figure out how I was going to size and arrange those things than anything else.
00:54:38
Speaker
Yeah, I think, you know, bench is pretty simple. You don't need any good work holding and a nice flat heavy. Yeah. Heavy is one of the most important parts. I'd love to see some photos of the dream bench, especially as it's coming along and get a little bit jealous.
00:55:03
Speaker
All right, Tommy's Custom Shop on Instagram. Tommy wants to know, what are your favorite materials to work with? And what's your favorite build of all time? I'm yawning like crazy. Favorite materials to work with? Wood.
00:55:23
Speaker
Most woods, all woods. I'm being a... Snocchi? Yeah. You know, I don't know if I found my favorite yet. Because I like cherry a lot, but the burning drives me crazy. I like white oak a lot, but the splintering drives me crazy. Maple's nice, but it's just a little too hard.
00:55:51
Speaker
and walnut and sapele the dust bothers me so I don't know I haven't found a favorite yet.
00:55:57
Speaker
Yeah. I've only had a chance to work on it in a limited fashion, but real mahogany is once when I worked on it for that guitar body, one of the first things I thought was, now you know why it's all gone.
Favorite Materials & Project Reflections
00:56:19
Speaker
Because the workability on it is so high. You have sharp tools.
00:56:28
Speaker
can go through it like it's so much softer than it is in a way. I don't know how else to describe it. And it gives you a nice soft glow if you finish it with, you know, oil and wax. I like that. It's not my favorite looking as far as like, you know, using the wood itself as part of the design, but it's my favorite to work with.
00:56:57
Speaker
Mm-hmm Favorite build of all time. Yeah, that's It's not true a hundred percent of the time but it's almost always the one I'm working on Yeah, it's you know, that's one of those things where you can't even remember everything that yeah, I forget half the things so it's
00:57:23
Speaker
I'm sure there's people out there that have one standout thing where they're like, this was my magnum opus. But I don't know. And we're very critical too. So it's hard. Every job is, you know, you leave a little bit unsatisfied at the end. We would have wanted to do it differently.
00:57:43
Speaker
You know that like I mean that door came out really well. Yeah. But there's still like little things on there. And for me it's that we don't always get to see the the stuff we do in its best light in the home because
00:58:04
Speaker
like that door we left it there on leaning against the wall and even then we saw a picture of it installed by the GC but it still had the wood in there didn't have the glass light yep bags of plaster
00:58:19
Speaker
Yeah, and you know that a staged photo the beauty in these things is actually using them It's not you know they only mean so much when they're just sitting there mm-hmm The real value is in using it right you know a kitchen looks nice, but it's in using the kitchen It's not just when it's just sitting there. Yeah looking at it. You know then it's really worthless
00:58:39
Speaker
What's that worth? Just okay. It looks nice. Yeah. Um, we do take function, uh, into things really high up on the list. Like even those confessionals, um, the function on the, on the pre side, we, we really spent a lot of time and effort designing that area of the job.
00:59:01
Speaker
Yeah, hopefully they're using them now. Oh, yeah. You know, we better call Father Allen, see what he's up to. Yeah. People getting in there. Hopefully. Yeah. Because we could just call and check, make sure he's got all the controls working and everything. Yeah. Make sure that was the skeleton keys.
00:59:21
Speaker
I got one here from Bryce Waffle Beaver on Instagram. That's the best name. Yeah, one of the guys that we met on Clubhouse. What is the next thing that you guys would like to learn? Doesn't have to be woodworking related. Wow, that's a good one. You have anything off the top of your head? Well, with this job coming up, I definitely like to learn how to do some welding. Oh, yeah, yeah. Because why not?
00:59:49
Speaker
Yeah, welding's cool. Metalworking and all that stuff. I don't know. I think this is going to sound... You're done. You're done learning.
01:00:02
Speaker
Oh, God, no. I mean, this is what happens, though, as you get older. It becomes more daunting. It's technology has become a little bit daunting because it changes so fast that change for all this stuff. I know. I know. It's like, but most of the time for me, I'm happy with like, you know, three or four operating systems ago. We didn't need to improve.
01:00:31
Speaker
you know, I was fine with Catalina. I don't know why I got something else.
01:00:40
Speaker
I would say I would like to maybe, not now, but in the future learn golf. I've gone out on the golf course with friends at times and it's just a great experience being on those beautiful landscape places.
01:01:05
Speaker
because I didn't I guess because I'm not heavily involved in scoring the game I just found it really relaxing and drive around the car you have a few beverages you're smacking this ball around I would like to be good enough to go out with other people and not be a hindrance right and not be that guy I was balls in the woods again yeah yeah that's what I can't see myself doing that until like I'm really not working anymore
01:01:34
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whatever that. Well, I was going to say we had somebody that, you know, yeah, we'd like to just take some time off and go golf. Right. That's nice because it it seems to be a very possessing sort of thing. By the way, I got a golf tournament next week. I got a golf tournament tomorrow. I'll be out for two days. It's in Scotland. Yeah.
01:02:01
Speaker
What about you? Welding anything else on the, uh, it's all, I mean, it's a long list and it's always bouncing around. Yeah. Yeah. The flavor of the moment is, uh, is welding. I'll see if manual. Let me, uh, let me, uh, use the welder a little bit more building that, uh, wine cabinet.
Skills & Shop Improvements
01:02:21
Speaker
Yeah. It would be nice if you could have state claim to a couple of welds on there.
01:02:26
Speaker
Yeah, Manny recommended I go to Harbor Freight, pick up a welder. How dare he? No, I'm just kidding. Manny wouldn't suggest that. Yeah, I know. Manny's one. He's one of the good ones. Yeah. That's for sure. He's going to scoff when he hears that. Yeah, I know.
01:02:49
Speaker
I like this one from Tom, Tom McGuire, one of our patrons, local guy. Do you set a chair outside and go Benny watching or sorry and do Benny watching on the weekends at home? Oh, I'm sure Jessica has the same answer as me. We dislike most people so much that last thing we want to do.
01:03:15
Speaker
I hide from those people. Yeah, so I'm sure 99.99% of you have no clue what a Benny is. That's right. You know, we live at the at the beach in New Jersey.
01:03:26
Speaker
you know, what most people refer to as the Jersey Shore. This is the northernmost part of it, so it stretches from, this is really the beginning of it, from Highlands all the way down to Cape May. And, um, bennies are, you know, like the term for people who come from out of town to come to the beach. And it stands for Bayonne, Elizabeth, Newark, New York, because that's like where the main places where people used to come from. Which are all north of here. Right, yeah, North Jersey and New York. Um,
01:03:55
Speaker
and you know the bennies are stigmatized and deservably so for a lot of yeah a lot of times but you know they do prop up the local economy during the summer so you can only
01:04:09
Speaker
It's like any area that relies on this seasonal influx to prop up their economy. And I'm willing to bet that all the locals, you know, they have this distaste for them, even though, you know, they need them. I mean, they're certainly not propping up anything in Middletown, not our town, but the beach, the beach towns, the resort towns. Right. We're not directly impacted by it. No, they're certainly not buying our goddamn furniture.
01:04:37
Speaker
Just, you know, they create traffic. Yeah. So for us, they're more of a problem, you know, because they're not coming. They're not coming here and spending money. They're going to Seabright. And, you know, you guys, I'm sure, heard of Seaside and Wildwood and Cape May and those big Atlantic City. That's where, you know, so they just reaches up and down. Yeah, they use our roadways and. Excuse me, they'll stop and eat and maybe create some havoc somewhere.
01:05:08
Speaker
Getting to the end of my beer here. Yeah, my opinion's changing. It's getting to be just a little laborious to finish, isn't it? That's not exactly a typical recommendation. This beer's great, except I had a really hard time finishing it.
01:05:36
Speaker
What do we got here from Brian? Repeat offender. All right. What improvement would you like for the shop if money was no object? Also, if money mattered. And Brian, he's a great point. Woodworks on Instagram. If money was no object, I'd like a dedicated finishing area.
01:05:59
Speaker
you know, big area for sanding and finishing, you know, spraying. And if money mattered, then it does. Let's see. What would I'm really I'm still hung up on that line boring machine. I want a line boring machine because, you know, we get a kitchen drilling all those holes. It takes a long fucking time.
01:06:24
Speaker
and you inject human air into that and all of a sudden you end up with shelves that are a little bit it just it brings down the you know the perceived sort of quality of the of the kitchen because yes you know even the cheapest kitchen you find the shelves are all flat yeah so it uh that's just like a bug I got in my ass
01:06:45
Speaker
I agree with you as far as the finishing room. That's something I've dreamt of for the longest time. And that was before I even thought about spraying. Just the idea of being able to get a piece out of the shop, the fabrication end of the shop.
01:07:03
Speaker
where there's not going to be any more dust on it and stuff like that. And just getting it out of the way because finishing is mostly downtime. Right. So we put it over there. We put a coat of oil on it and then we'll come back tomorrow and we can still work over here. Right. It just just want to clean it once. Yeah. Put it away. Like, yeah, you you become hesitant to cut things and you know, it takes up time that doesn't need to.
01:07:30
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Um, my dream for the area we have now would be another building, like sort of in the creator L and with like maybe a car park kind of area, not a car, but like a breezeway. Yeah. Breezeway exactly to join the two areas. That would be awesome. Yeah.
01:08:00
Speaker
Yeah, with a big double door, put things on a cart, wheel it into the... Yeah. Then a third building, eventually into the back 40. That's where we keep the Kool-Aid. That's for the itinerant workers, you know? That'll be a bunkhouse upstairs. Get to sanding. Yeah.
01:08:24
Speaker
What about oh I didn't if money mattered. What would you like for the shop. Wow. I mean we got the edge banner coming so that's off the list. Yeah.
01:08:41
Speaker
I would still like a reliable belt sander, a wide belt sander. I mean, we have the Woodmaster, which is finicky would be the nicest thing I could say about it.
01:08:58
Speaker
But I mean, like imagine having a time saver or like a just a machine, you know, I don't even know if they still even make time savers. I don't think so. But you know what I mean. Yeah. But no, I always think about that because I always see time savers. I'm like, I don't think they can make those anymore.
01:09:14
Speaker
We don't really even have the infrastructure for it because most of them are three-phase. We need a different compressor. So that's probably not even doable, whereas the line bore, that's something we could actually have and use and keep.
01:09:38
Speaker
It's just one of those repetitive, you know, yeah, mundane tasks that if you could just go and drill one side, flip the board around and drill the other. I mean, it would just be such a breeze. It's like the hinge boring machine. You know, we've we haven't even used it. No, we just messed around with it. But you know what? When we got a job where we got a drill bunch of doors, it's there. It's ready to go. Yeah, it's going to save us a bunch of headache. Yeah, that's pretty good.
01:10:10
Speaker
All right. Do you ever use stains or tints in your finish? Or would you just prefer to use dark or a lighter wood to achieve a similar effect? That's one of our patrons, Miles, known as Eat, Drink Wine Guy on Instagram.
01:10:26
Speaker
So we typically try and steer the client towards changing the species of the wood. But we do use, you know, Rubio Monocoat and we use the dark tongue oil from from real milk paint. So, you know, we definitely do use
01:10:44
Speaker
you know, stains and tints. Yeah, yeah. We've dabbled in both those areas for sure. First choice, as Jeff said, let's use a different species, even in the same project. We like to use one or two or sometimes three different species to achieve that effect. Most often we're asked to, when we're using a tint, it's to create something that's not really a natural color. Yeah.
01:11:12
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like black, blackish, or on the opposite end, something that's almost white. And so there's nothing you can do about that. If that's really what the client is looking for, there's no way around it. So no matter how much we dig our heels in, we have to either learn how to use these things, accept it, and all that other stuff.
01:11:38
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Yeah, and I mean, you know, we're kind of purists, but I mean, there's times where like, I mean, I like things that are like a like a white oak with like a greenish kind of stain or something could be cool. You know, I mean, there's definitely times where where it's nice. Yeah. I mean, we came across that Rubio like teak or almost what do they call it? Look, Ipe. Look, Ipe. I was close. Man, do I sound like an old man now?
01:12:08
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Look, you pay. And it really it looked nice on a couple of different species. I mean, we were both like, wow, this is the goofiest name thing. Well, we end up going with the royal. It's called. Yeah. But the look, you pay is pretty close. Yeah. Has that kind of shellac kind of look. Orange, amber, orange kind of. Yeah. But not in a false sort of way, which I expect it really was. It was nice.
01:12:35
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Yeah, yeah, I mean that cherry piece is I can't wait to go up there and put the handles on and hopefully they'll have the floors finished soon. Yeah, the door. Yeah, that'll be a nice little trip. We're gonna have to figure to have some lunch or something so we can make it a nice, nice trip so we don't just drive up there and drive back. Probably stop in Newark.
01:12:58
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There you go. So we have our last question here. This will be the question of the week. We'll be doing this on the Patreon. So you can if you go down to the description, you can find out how to how to become part of that. This is from one of our patrons, Adam P. We were talking about like dream projects a couple of weeks ago. Like what would our dream project be? And we kind of we kind of had a few different versions of the same question over the past couple of months.
01:13:28
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Uh, so Adam asks, instead of thinking of dream projects, I was wondering. Someone just wanted a green street piece for their home, not commercial establishment. What would they get more specifically? What would they get if their budget was under 5,000? And what would they get if their budget was under 20,000? All other decisions, material size, et cetera, are up to you. So we'll talk about that on the, uh, I guess we're calling that the Patreon show the question of the week. All right. I like that.
01:13:57
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So that brings us to thoughts on beer of the week.
Beer Review & Closing Thoughts
01:14:01
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I think it's probably the first time you're going to see that that we both still have beer in the glass. Yeah. Yeah. This one started out a solid A for me. And now it's like I really I don't really want to drink too much going on. Yeah. You know what. I don't know if you. Well you don't really eat this stuff and neither do I for the most part. But you know like something like.
01:14:25
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Sweet and sour chicken from Chinese food places like you had those first couple of pieces you go and it's pretty good But then that fourth piece it starts trailing off real fast And you can't eat a whole plate of it. Yeah Yeah, it's like there's this it tastes like a like a fake donut to me like
01:14:47
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Like if they were like, yeah, this is like donut flavored popcorn or something. That's kind of what it tastes like to me. Well, Mexican coffee funnel cake. I'm going to take one more sip. I'm going to finish this off. There's some sediment there in the bottom of my glass. You know, it's just it's becoming sort of artificial tasting to me.
01:15:11
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Yeah, you know, on that the lack of carbonation is a little off-putting. It reminds me of like a breakfast cereal almost. Yeah, like a cinnamon toast crunch.
01:15:23
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Doesn't it? Yeah. Um, so they, you know, it tastes like waffle crisp. You probably never heard that. No. So they really hit the Mexican coffee funnel cake thing. Whatever the hell that is. It just wasn't, uh, it wasn't up our street as they say in Britain. I could like split one with somebody, but yeah.
01:15:46
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like I couldn't have another beer like not even a different beer. It's just like my stomach a little bit like too much. So, you know, I'm going to give it a.
01:15:59
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a qualified thumbs up. What's the ABV on that? Because it tastes a little bit boozy. It is. It's, um, 8%. No, it's not. It's 5.5. It's definitely a little hot. Yeah. Yeah. You can taste this. Oh, you know, that's the chili. The peppers. Yeah. Um, that's originally, I thought I said 8.5, but it's just 5.5. That's pretty low.
01:16:27
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So yeah, I'm going to give it a qualified thumbs up because I wouldn't want to give it a thumbs down. I know. Yeah, I mean couldn't do that. It was good. You can't expect to like, you know, put those down like it's like a Coors Light.
01:16:39
Speaker
Right. When you when you buy this beer, you got to go into it now. And this isn't your standard. Yeah. You know, what would it be? A pilsner or something like that. It's called Mexican coffee funnel cake. Yeah. So it's your own fault. It's no. It's too complex. No waffle sauce. No. What was that? Was it called waffle? So it was like a pecan or something. It was terrible. So this was better than that one.
01:17:11
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but we may give that brewery another shot. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I kind of liked, I liked the direction. I just too much in the end, maybe 12 ounce can would have been fine. Yeah. Like if that would have been fun on one of those flights. Yeah. Like at the end. Yeah. Where you have just, you know, four, what are those three or four ounces? Those little glasses probably have probably four, three,
01:17:32
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Yeah, so. All right. Well, I want to thank our gold tier patrons, Jerry Green and David Murphy, Manny Sirianni, Dustin Fair, Adam Pothass, David Shoemaker, and Colin Lyne. Thank you. Thank you all in the question of the week. Yeah. And we'll see all of you next week. Episode 41. Thank you. Take care of yourselves. Adios.
01:18:08
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Ain't no shame, but there's been a chain.