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The American Craftsman Podcast Ep. 37 | Intimidating Jobs
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On Episode 37 of The American Craftsman Podcast, hosted by Greene Street Joinery, we discuss the idea of a job too intimidating to take.
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Podcast Audio Issues
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Welcome to episode 37, guys of the American Craftsman podcast.
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Fortunately, we had some audio issues on this episode, the worst of which is what I'm covering up right now. I think we have it figured out. We have either a bad mic or a bad cable. So unfortunately, the sound quality on this episode is not the best. There's a lot of hiss and sort of static sounds, but should have it figured out next week. Appreciate the patience. And here we go. I think I'm about to say it's 79 degrees.
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So you don't want to be standing out in the sun, but in the shop. That borderline air conditioner weather. Yeah. I'm thinking about turning on later today. We'll see. Yeah, you got that central air. Oh, yeah. It's quiet. Yeah. Just blows that magical cold air into the homes. Yeah, paid out the ass for it, but.
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America. Yeah, we got everything here as long as you're willing to pay for it. Yeah.
Exploring Zero Gravity's Frankie Beer
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What can you say? Well, speaking of the heat, yeah, I had a freaking bug on my leg. This beer I think is it's appropriate for a nice hot day. All right.
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So we stopped at a new liquor store today because we were out and about picking up a check from the church. Thank you. So we stopped at a different liquor store that I know has a good beer. Wow. So this is I think the brewery is Zero Gravity and the name of the beer is Frankie.
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says everyone's summer crush and it has a lemon and like a I guess it's cherry on the front. Yeah, one's pink one's red. I don't know what that means. It was just a a design thing says bright and spritzy ale with fruit. Heels keep Vermont green. Yeah from Burlington. Yep. I thought it looked good. The can is
00:03:31
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Quite summery. Yeah. So I thought something kind of juicy and refreshing would be good. It doesn't smell like I was hoping it would. It's definitely got like a pink kind of. Yeah. Like an orangey pink. Yeah. Kind of like a grapefruit color. Yeah.
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Yeah, look at that. I had to pull up some info on this. You know, you'd think with the, you know, that they would give you an inkling. I was to what's inside a little bit more of a story. It just says Frankie ale with beer. It's beer. Well, hazy.
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Yeah. Even the head has a little bit of that pink orange color to it. It does. It does. Very very. I don't know the word I'm looking for. Zero. Zero gravity beer dot com. Bear with us as a. Try and fit this whole can in here. Yeah.
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and, uh, see if we can come up with anything. If you want your very own American Craftsman podcast at Beer Glass, we still have some for sale on the website. We're on the other side of this curtain. What are we selling those for nowadays? Uh, 10 bucks. Something like that. It's a bargain. Looks like- Well, I don't think I'm gonna be able to fit this whole thing in here. Cheers. Cheers to you. Cheers to all you out there.
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That's good. Wow. That's different. Yeah. Look at that. It looks like, I don't even know what, not beer. Grapefruit soda. Like Fresca? Oh yeah. I mean, I love a Fresca. Me too.
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Frankie, right? Spritzy. Yeah, let's look. I want to see what the deals with this. Zero. Gravity. Frankie. Well, they have the same for themselves. Yeah. I mean, this is what I want you to have on the can. What's this whole thing with websites? Are you 21? Yeah. I can't get drunk off your website.
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Um, a bright and spritzy refresher brewed with tart cherry and exotic citrus fruit. This beer is light on the palette and dry on the finish bursting with bold citrus notes and the subtle complexity of tart cherry. Frankie would be delighted to accompany you on all your summer adventures. 5.1% ABV, 14 IBUs,
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pale ale, pilsner, rolled oats, and malted wheat. Or the malts. Citra and... Moture. Not sure what that is. I've never heard of that type of hop. House lager yeast. So it's got red pomelo and calamansi oranges in it.
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Hmm. Interesting. Yeah. Seems you can buy this stuff, and they'll ship it out to you. Really? Well, let me see. Shop? No. Was it just t-shirts and stuff? Just their stuff, yeah. But hey, pretty good. Yeah. Yeah, I'm enjoying it. Could be colder.
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Yeah, that's not really something we can handle. Sometimes it's time-lapsing between Store Run and our little shop fridge. Yeah, I mean, it was only out for a little while. Yeah, so we're going to blame them. The liquor stores, they never keep it cold enough.
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I wish it was a little more tart. I'll say that without getting too too deep into it. It's pretty easy to drink. Yeah. There's two more of them up there. All right. Tool of the week.
Practical Tools Discussion
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Yeah. Well, two of the week, you know, I had a rummage through some of the stuff here on Jeff's basement.
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But I did come up, come away with this really, really great tool that, uh, could easily be in my toolbox. Uh, 16 inch Stabilo.
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Maine, Germany. And I have an affinity for these micro-sized tools. But this is a mighty, might of a level. I mean, it's really handy, as Jeff was noting earlier off broadcast. This is great when you're in a closet or some confined space. I like this size a lot. It makes me think about the times, god, 25 years ago when I had to commute on the train.
00:09:26
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And it was before, you know, we had all these fancy backpacks that held tools. So we all had, you know, you'd see guys with like rolling suitcases and anything they could sort of manage to get up and down the stairs in the subway and through the city.
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And I had a little tool bag, so I had lots of little tools like this so you could fit as much as you could. Everything was kind of pint size. Yeah, you don't want to carry around a 48 inch level. No. But like all the Stabilo stuff, it's really high quality. If you're looking for a small level, some of the features on this, the end caps come off. They're rubber, so it's great. You don't like marsh stuff up, but if you need to get
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Into the corners and mark a line or bring some lines together. They come off you can get in tight and replace them Yeah, yeah, cuz they wear a little bit. Yeah, and these vials I don't know if you saw one side you see this side they stick out. Mm-hmm and this side they're flush So this oh, yeah, when you push against the wall, that's right. That's right. We're more up the wall Yeah, that's a pretty cool little well-thought-out feature
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I love this handle here, this grip. These vials are in acrylic and set into the level you're not supposed to, well you can't adjust them, they're set in with epoxy, doesn't shrink, doesn't expand, and they say good for life. So what could go wrong, right?
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Yeah, I mean I've you've had this for how long? It's worn off on the other side. Yeah. I don't know if it was ever on there, maybe eight years. Oh, I bet to say crew. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is a great tool. It really is.
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Yeah, I was saying before we went on air, that was one of the first big tool purchases I made when I, you know, start as a finished look, our freaking tables off at a level was I got like the whole from the torpedo all the way up to the 78 inch or whatever level I got them all because it's important.
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Oh, yeah, doing doing finish work or cabinetry like having good levels is very important. You always see the guy with the jacked up Empire blue things all covered with BS and concrete. It's got it's got mud all over. Yeah, they've been using it as a screed to make a sidewalk. Yeah, I mean, there's no sense in having a male level.
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I had the 72 inch Tabula and I went out to Long Island to help my friend put in some fence posts at his parents' house and I left it there for him to use and I never got it back. I wound up moving to New Jersey and that level's long gone. Yeah, that's about $200 level. Yeah, I had the little cushy case, you know, and everything.
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But but like you was one of my first like wow, this is a nice tool. I'm going to wait for it. I had the what they call the jammer set, which is for hanging doors. So it's a 30 32 and a 78. And I I couldn't find my 78. I left it somewhere. I thought maybe it got stolen because I looked at all I looked went to all the jobs looked I couldn't find it when I spent like 300 bucks or whatever to buy a new set and then it turned up.
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That's how you find those. Yes. And I sold it at like, you know, pennies on the dollar. Somebody got lucky. Yeah. It was like in the basement, the finished basement. And then you go through a door and it's like an unfinished part. It was like in there. I don't know what the hell I was doing, but yeah, probably have a lunch. I don't know. Look, the dentist finally emailed me with the paperwork I got to fill out.
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Isn't it funny when he talks to me on the phone? They're like I'm gonna set myself I'm gonna write myself a reminder so that yesterday said I don't forget to send you the paperwork And it always comes right when you're trying to do something else. Well, no it came today. It was supposed to come yesterday Yeah, see there it is. So I had a reminder set to Reach out to them to say hey, where's the paperwork? I gotta set this is unread Mark is unread Okay
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There you go. Anyhow, back to the matters of hand. And you can't really do much without, you know, some good levels.
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Yeah, not anything good, not anything straight level, but I mean, in our line of work, we don't use it much in the shop, but, um, we can't go to the client's home without, you know, you have that great laser set too. Yeah. And sometimes I'll default back to the, to the level, you know, for, uh, you know, for certain stuff, it depends.
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Yeah. I like to have a couple of smaller levels like that. And maybe 24, 36 and use them simultaneously. I like the old fashionedness of that I'm comfortable with. These are nice for front to back. Yeah. Um, cause you don't, you know, you don't need a full 24 inch level to do the front to back. If you do, and you have one on the back of the cabinet, then you can't fit the whole level anyway. So this will fit in front of or behind, uh, you know, your, your larger level of your leveling of running cabinets.
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Yeah, check it out. Be down in the description. Worth it. Worth adding you to your toolkit. Yeah, I don't know. Let's see what what they're going for. Yeah. I wonder. I want to say 60 bucks. Yeah, I mean, I would stay away from that. Those like $10 levels that. Look at that. Am I good or am I good? Was it $59.99? Oh, 60 bucks. Wow. 60 flat.
00:15:29
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That's that's from straight from the Evil Empire. Well, no, don't say that about. I met Amazon. That's what I mean. Oh, yeah. And listening. That's right. When Bezos is prime minister of the world, you want that to come back to play. No. Yeah. I'll be disappeared like in 1984.
00:15:57
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I like those little torpedoes. We have that hanging up on the wall a little grumpy. Yeah, I've got one too that I keep and they have the magnetic version for a $10 upcharge.
00:16:08
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Well, should we get into these questions? Yeah, let's. We don't have a ton of questions this week, but you know how that goes for us. We can digress. Yeah, I'm sure we will. We got one here from our newest patron, Matt from Hey Good Hardwoods. If you guys don't know, we do have a Patreon and we do a bonus show every week. We should come up with a name for it.
00:16:33
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Yeah, we if you miss last week's it was you know, it's pretty informative. What are we talking about? We talked about the A.A. Anderson Lodge. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because sometimes we get off on. Yeah. Yes, we might talk about on the not informative stuff going on in the shop or stuff. We might go online and read reviews for Dairy Queen in Iowa and just laugh about the stupid things that these people are ready. People do and say, sure.
00:17:03
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might talk about ancient aliens. Wow. I mean, big stuff happening because there was even that thing on 60 minutes. Yeah, that's what that article is referencing. Okay. There's a bombshell UFO report. We won't we'll talk about on the Patreon. But yeah, if you guys are interested, there's always a link down there. You know, we appreciate everyone that supports the podcast. Oh, yeah, definitely.
00:17:24
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And yes, we put out that show every week a little bonus show for the patrons and we do where we have coming up. I don't know when the last one was was in March or April 14th. Yeah, April 14 must been yeah a month ago. So in in two months, we'll be doing another live stream.
00:17:46
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uh still waiting on the patrons to tell us what the hell they wanted about yeah the last one was about pricing pre-pricing or a prefabrication protocol so from the
Exclusive Content and Jigs
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time a client contacts you to the point of uh basically landing the job or or right um so yeah how to how to deal with the client and price the job and and um
00:18:10
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We handed out some spreadsheets and templates and things like that to get people started. And you'd have access to the recording of that. There's access to all that information still now. You didn't have to be there for the live stream. So here's a question from Matt. Do you often make one-off jigs for projects or do you have some jigs that you regularly
00:18:35
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Do you often make one-off jigs for projects or do you have some jigs that you use regularly in projects? And you must have jigs that you both recommend for somebody just getting started.
00:18:45
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Yes and yes. Yeah. Next question. No. We constantly make one off jigs. Yeah. And more. I'd say we do more one offs than regular than ones that we use regularly. And the nicer ones linger around the shop.
00:19:12
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doesn't mean they get used again. Yeah. But you know, they're, they work really well. And we think, well, you know, another one might come up where we use this, but because we have such a small shop, these things generally after a month or two, uh, get taken apart and
00:19:32
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put in there, you know, scrap bins. Yeah. It's got to be something that that's going to, that's definitely going to get used to getting like not something like, well, we might make another bracket foot or a thing. Well, no, I would just get rid of it. Yeah. I mean, we have a hard time getting rid of some of the stuff. There's some sentimental value to these things as you, yeah.
00:19:56
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you know, good time to make good jigs. So, um, good example is I just made the one to do the faux tenants on the Dutch store, but I smashed it up and threw it away yesterday because when's the next time that we're going to be building an inch and three quarter door that has this size rails, you know, it'll probably be close, but not right. And then it's like, man, we just kept this thing around. That's taken up.
00:20:23
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16 inches long and eight inches deep and three inches thick well We don't have the space to keep it around right I mean some of the flat templates. I have that I use for guitar bodies. They're hanging up on the wall They don't really take up much room, but they haven't come down in three or four years
00:20:41
Speaker
Yeah. Bing's bass was the last bass I made and that was gotta be three years ago. Yeah. But they take time to produce those bodies and get, cause they're asymmetrical.
00:20:58
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So they're just screwed to the wall, right? Yeah. But in general, they're flat, you know? Yeah. We don't have, we don't often use flat. No, they're templates for shape. Right. And not really a function. Yeah. Yeah. Which is those jigs tend to take up more room because they're like 3d. I'm trying to think of which ones we use regularly.
00:21:25
Speaker
What what about the the mitering stuff? Yeah, even that's like it's getting phased out a little bit. I don't really use it's not even that spaced out. We just don't use it that often. Yeah, like a you know, a miter sled for the table saw. Feather boards and stuff like that. I don't know if you would call that a jig, but you know, we have specific setups with feather boards.
00:21:52
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Yeah, one that I used once that I saved that I thought I would use over and over again was that duplex outlet jig. So I made it when I was making that island just before we formed. And so I cut it right into the side of the top rail on that island. It looked really great. I thought, oh, I'll use this again. Duplex, too, shows you how long ago it was.
00:22:30
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but we're big proponents of the one-off jig we don't think it's too much time to invest for the most no because you know 99% of the time you make up that time in the
00:22:45
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because you're producing things faster, then you're, they're always going to be more, um, you know, identical and stuff like that. If you're using a J the repeatability. So, cause every job's going to have two, four, eight,
00:23:01
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instances of this thing. So it's really worth it. I mean, even if it's two, we love that repeatability. Yeah, I don't I like things to be identical. If there's two of something, I want them to be identical. Like, yeah, where if it was humanly possible to not be able to tell the difference at all, that's how I want it. Ideally. So as close to that as I can get.
00:23:25
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So it's not just about saving time for us. It's about the function and the final appearance, even if it took a little more time. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. So, um,
00:23:38
Speaker
Yeah, I'm with you. I can't think of any jig right now that we break out and use over and over. Because we don't really do the same thing. Even if it's really similar, it's going to have different dimensions. Something's going to be a little bit different. If we had to think of something, maybe we could start it.
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Yeah. Yeah.
00:24:35
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Yeah, I love the might as well. I mean, we love doing stuff on the table saw when we can. Yeah. It just gives us a better quality cut. Right. We don't really rush over to the, you know, the chop saw too often. No, no, our chop saw is not cut out for that kind of stuff.
00:24:55
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, maybe if we had like a dedicated like, I don't know. I mean, we'll have to ask John Peters one of these days about the quality of the Capex. If it's. Oh, yeah. I mean, we don't have to ask John. We know that it's. Well, yeah. As far as the cuts and everything. Oh, no. Yeah. Happy with that. Yeah. Well, I mean, that that battery powered Makita is really nice that you have. Yeah. For cutting small stuff, though, the table saw is the. It's the ticket. Yeah. Yeah.
00:25:25
Speaker
Yeah, so we would say that if you think you need a jig, make it. It's good practice too, like practicing your skills of assembly and thought process as far as measuring offsets and things like that, because there's all these little things that come into play when you make a jig, like a router,
00:25:48
Speaker
Yeah, and troubleshooting because typically on the first go, it doesn't quite. Right. And you say, oh, shit, I didn't realize that this. So then you got to track and fix it. And yeah, it's definitely a good exercise. I mean, we even do mockups of stuff like, you know, is this bench going to fit in the confessional? So it's always good to run through it.
COVID-19 Restrictions Impact
00:26:15
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We move on to question number two. Yeah. All right. When's the meetup? That's from Keith Blackthorn Concepts on Instagram. We don't know where we have. We haven't even really thought about it.
00:26:29
Speaker
Yeah, we did hear was it NPR that was talking about the mask rules in New York? So in Jersey, it's pretty much, you know, still everybody, even if you're vaccinated, you're wearing masks and things like that in New York, it's super loose. If you if you're double vaccinated, fully vaccinated, they're saying the CDC saying you just go out as if this is pre pandemic.
00:26:59
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, I guess unless it's like a lot of there's like a ton of people. I don't know what it is like at bars and restaurants and stuff. You know what I mean? Because technically at the table, you don't have to wear one in New Jersey. So I don't know. But it's something we got to look into and figure out. I mean, that's definitely a fact that people's comfort level. Yeah. Yeah. Where is where is Keith located? Keith's down in Jackson.
00:27:26
Speaker
Okay, so he's local. Yeah Yeah, that'll I mean where could you see something like this happening? Well, we're talking like Belfer brewery or Ross Ross isn't gonna be open for another two months, but That might be good timing. Yeah. Yeah Let's see. We got June July Yeah Yeah, we'll have to see middle of summer
00:27:52
Speaker
Nice and hot, sweaty, outside, wearing a mask. Yeah, it sounds great. A bunch of smelly tradesmen. Yacking through their masks. When's that meetup? We'll have to start thinking about it.
00:28:14
Speaker
Yeah. And we could, you know, set out feelers. People can respond to this. People here and are interested. You know, let us know. Yeah. So we're in in Middletown, New Jersey. So we'll be doing it, you know, I assume somewhere within 20 minutes a year. Yeah. My idea was that I got a brewery, some sort of brewery place that has a space where we could hang out, maybe have some food and stuff, maybe get some stuff away.
00:28:43
Speaker
That would be really cool. We might be able to scrounge up some stuff from, well, definitely from Montana, but maybe from some other folks. Yeah. And we'll probably kick in a few things of our own. Yeah.
00:29:02
Speaker
A beer glass. A t-shirt maybe if we have your size. Beer glasses for all. No, not for all. Because we don't have that many. That's true. It takes a while to get those.
00:29:18
Speaker
All right. So there you have it. If you hear this and you're interested in the meet up, speak to us. Yeah. Yeah. Let us know. All right. I got one here from our buddy Corey actually wearing the shirt that Corey sent us. Yeah. Yeah. C.T. would work on Instagram. What is your favorite snack in the shop?
00:29:39
Speaker
Well, I don't know if this can be disputed. I mean, we love our snacks. But if a bag of peanuts, shelled peanuts, not shelled, in the shell peanuts. Yeah, I'm still confused over the nomenclature. So in the shell. Peanuts in the shell. If a bag of those hits the shop, it's like we're hungry Wolverines. Yeah. It doesn't matter if we've eaten, if we've just had lunch.
00:30:09
Speaker
We're on a diet. Yeah. Yeah. There's nothing that could save that bag of peanuts. No. Yeah. They're talking about like a, I don't know what they come in as like a two pound bag, a three pound bag. It's embarrassingly large. We bought two bags of peanuts.
00:30:29
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The last time we went to tractor supply to pick up bolts. I mean, we'll have tummy aches the next day from eating so many and we still can't stop. They were gone in like three days or something. Two, three, three days, six pounds.
00:30:47
Speaker
They are damn good, though. They're really like crack, though. Once we start eating them, you can't get them out of the shell fast enough. What are some other snacks we've enjoyed like that? They were on the pretzel thing for a while. I just can't eat the pretzels. It was short-lived. I try and refrain from snacking during the day. Yeah, you do have quite a bit of willpower.
00:31:15
Speaker
Well yeah during certain hours of the day and there was the the incident with the girl scout cookies that was yeah that was pretty shameless display of gluttony.
00:31:29
Speaker
We had the cookies from the bakery a couple of times when we had like clients coming in. Keith from Two Bits sent over that. Oh yeah. I was out on quarantine. Yeah. I ate that whole cake. What the hell else?
00:31:50
Speaker
And we do love our big Mike's Little Red store. Oh yeah. Or may sandwiches. Grill 36. Yeah. Grill 36 is our new haunt. Egyptian Mediterranean style food. Yeah. Authentic. The real deal.
00:32:08
Speaker
Um, not like, no, I don't know if we should say it, but like we, we pass all these ethnic quote unquote ethnic restaurants when they're clearly some kind of appropriation is, you know, like the Mexican place where you, those banditos like, yeah, those green goes. Yeah. Rich white people that own this place.
00:32:31
Speaker
If I wanted those kind of tacos, I'd just stay home. Right. But this guy, he's really from Egypt, straight, straight here from Egypt. So he's cooking probably his mom's recipes and it shows. Yeah, it's good. It's because it's although it's familiar, you know, the style is familiar. It's definitely like a take on the food. You know, like it's somebody's home cooking. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's part of what we enjoy, too.
00:33:03
Speaker
yeah yeah so um snacks we love our snacks yeah cheese with baked crab legs count as a snack
00:33:25
Speaker
We had a guy who'd go out for lunch, he'd go to the store for lunch, and he'd just bring back a bag of, yeah, crabware decay and a jar of some kind of sauce. Yeah, yeah, you gotta have down like a good three cores light before you.
00:33:51
Speaker
Embark on that journey, don't you think? All right. Carefully, Rob. All right. Speaking of the Coors Light, what's your advice for gluing up using Festool Dominoes? Is it glue just on the tenons strong enough? Is glue just on the tenons strong enough?
Gluing Techniques and Advice
00:34:14
Speaker
On butt joints, do you also put a little glue on the end grain to long grain joint?
00:34:19
Speaker
Had some trouble seating joints and wondered if there was way too much glue in the mortise and if I should avoid it. That's from Miles. He's one of our loyal patrons. He's known as Eat, Drink, Wine Guy on Instagram. So that was a long question with a couple of different parts. Yeah.
00:34:40
Speaker
I'm like a glue, I don't want to say a glue Nazi, but like I'm going to cover every square inch of a glue up with glue both sides. So I put it in the mortise. I put it on the end grain. I put it on, you know, then put in the domino, put it on the outside of the domino in the mortise on the other one.
00:35:05
Speaker
whatever glue the joint can't take it's gonna squeeze out and obviously you don't want too much squeeze out so you have to use the right amount of glue but my thought would be that you might have had some chips down in the mortise and that's why I didn't want to close up or maybe a little too much glue at the bottom yeah the domino will squeeze it all out though yeah it has those things on the side ridges yeah that's what those are for
00:35:37
Speaker
Yeah, maybe maybe if if you don't you don't push the domino all the way to the bottom before you see it, you know, the glue won't have anywhere to go when you try and close the joint. You know, it'll create like a vacuum almost like a bubble. So maybe that's it. Yeah. We're going to give them that there's the halls are deep enough.
00:36:02
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, because they would like they'd be like way off. I feel like yeah, some I've I've run across that once or twice in my thousand the Domino joints didn't get that last little yeah, like if I did if I'm doing a 50
00:36:18
Speaker
I'll do like a twenty five and twenty eight just to have extra depth on the one because that's then that's going to be end grain to end grain or end grain to long grain. So I'm not worried about losing that. You know, what is that? Half a three quarters of a square inch of glue surface. I'm not worried about losing that. So he's asking if he thinks the domino tenons are strong enough.
00:36:43
Speaker
It's just glue on the tenon strong enough. I mean, I don't know. I would say put glue on everything. Yeah, then you can't go wrong. Oh, so he's thinking don't put any glue on the on the boards themselves. Right. Like if you're doing like a butt joint, edge grain to end grain. Okay. You put it on. Yeah, we put it on everything. Yeah.
00:37:05
Speaker
Yeah, we're like the glue Gestapo. Yeah, you can't say Nazi anymore. I think yeah Gestapo might even be worse. I Had a boss I used to call it Gestapo Yeah, no, so I wouldn't avoid
00:37:27
Speaker
glue in the mortise, definitely spread it around with an acid brush or whatever a little stick. I mean, I think that's key, spreading it so that it's a thin layer, not a glob. Yeah. Because you might be running into a big puddle at the bottom. And if it's too tight,
00:37:47
Speaker
See on the domino has on the edges this little ridge and these little recess parts where the glue will actually come up on either side. But if, I don't know, for some reason if it's too tight it might not. Maybe if the joint's really flooded. Yeah.
00:38:07
Speaker
I mean, so the amount of glue is definitely part of the equation. You want to get just the right amount of squeeze out, cover everything. I don't think too much glue is going to prevent the joint from closing. No, no, wouldn't it just be sloppy here? Glue everywhere. So that's what he's asking. Too much glue, if you should avoid it.
00:38:31
Speaker
Maybe I have to move a little quicker because the dominoes will swell and they could get hung up. Mm-hmm. That was like we're doweling the Dutch doors. So they each got three, three-eighths-inch dowels and they have to, I sunk them down below the surface so that I could put the, the faux tenon in and not worry about any of them hitting. So I would drive them in and then take another dowel and drive them below the surface. One of them I put in and, uh,
00:39:01
Speaker
And I waited, I did the next one before I drove it in and it actually swelled and I had a really hard time sending it home. That'll teach you. Yeah, I mean, it's a wedge, so your dominoes could have gotten, could have swelled if you're not moving fast enough and then they won't move. Every now and again, I mean, they're pretty consistent, but every now and again, you find one that'll react a little bit differently too. Yep. There I go, Jon and Lou. Have your laughs. I can't help it.
00:39:32
Speaker
So what's your advice for gluing up Festool? We're gluing up using Festool dominoes. Can we summarize it? Get glue everywhere? On the boards, on the dominoes. Make sure that you're A, bottoming out the domino when you're making the cut. And maybe use two settings if you have to to get it extra deep.
00:40:01
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And move fast. Brush that glue on every surface. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Shouldn't have any problem if you do. Give us another shout. Yeah. All right. Oh, you want to read this next one?
00:40:18
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Yeah, go in here from Brian Grey Point Woodworks on Instagram.
Custom Dutch Doors Installation
00:40:22
Speaker
Are you guys installing that Dutch door yourselves? Looks great so far. I'm happy to give this next answer. No.
00:40:31
Speaker
Yeah. No, we're not. So this is going in a kitchen, Reno slash. I don't know if it's an addition per se. I think it is. It was a porch and they enclosed it. Something like that. Yeah. I don't remember exactly. I think they added like 10 feet. Yeah, I think it was like that's where the porch because this is going on the porch. That porch was there and they turned it into like an addition.
00:41:01
Speaker
where the hell is it going with this oh yeah so the builder you know originally they were just gonna like buy a door I guess so the builder had already been factored in to be installing a door so basically we're just building it and then it's still in their contract to install yeah or so
00:41:17
Speaker
Rather than us drive all the way up there and spend a day and charge them for a day you know Now the client doesn't have to pay us to do it. We don't want to do it anyway. No no um because they've already they've already been billed for that work by the GC so We just don't like doing installs
00:41:40
Speaker
I mean, hanging a door is easy. Yeah. This one's probably going to just go straight in, too. Yeah. I mean, I've hung hundreds of doors, so it's not really. But they're doing the hardware, too, which is a nice... Yeah. They'll probably be sweating when they walk and drill into the door. Yeah. I mean, it's a day. It would be a day to do the whole thing. Yeah. But it's far from home, so.
00:42:10
Speaker
Yeah. What is it? It's over. Was it an over an hour to get up there about an hour? It's about an hour. Yeah. That's a long distance for us. I like in the city where everything takes an hour no matter what. Yeah. Yeah. But we'd go. I mean, we'd do it if we were asked what install the door. Yeah. And travel and all that stuff. Yeah. We just as long as we're not to. Yeah. Yeah.
00:42:40
Speaker
All right. And it says that this next this next question from Dave blue Gerson. Is that what that is? Is that what that is blue Gerson? Yeah, blue Gerson on Instagram. Were those is is the way that question starts that typo? No. Oh, were those bad ass hinges a customer pick? Or did you guys pick them out?
00:43:08
Speaker
That's that's all you man. Yeah. Well, yeah, I picked them out. Yeah. Sometimes you just got to just pick something out and that. Yeah. Don't bother yourself with asking the client. Typically we we have carte blanche and we just pick everything ourselves.
00:43:24
Speaker
We run into some problems when we ask the client's opinion too often. Yeah, yeah. So we like the clients to have that amount of trust in us to just pick. And the clients love these hinges, and they didn't see them until they saw it on Instagram. So those are, I've had so many people ask, they're from House of Anti-Cardwear, which we use a lot, and they're reproductions from like the early 1900s.
00:43:50
Speaker
Solid, on lacquered brass. They're just nice. They're Deltana's brand. So why'd we pick on lacquered brass? Well, so they're patinas. Yeah. I mean, I know that. It's pretty obvious. I'm engaging our listeners.
00:44:15
Speaker
Yeah, because not everybody knows that that's why, you know, we would go with on lacquered. We wanted to have that age kind of look when, you know, reacts with the environment and oils from people touching it and stuff like that. And those things are really well built, too. They're not just, you know, good looking. No, they're real architectural hinges. They're not, you know, it's not just a pin and some bent over metal. Mm hmm. There's, you know, they're ball bearing and they're greased and
00:44:45
Speaker
They're nice. Has the etching on the backside where they extend past the jam. All right. So that was a Jeff pick. Yeah, they turned out nice. Yeah, I agree. I got another one here from Corey. What was a recent new technique or product that you used that you enjoyed? CT Woodwork on Instagram. Product. Technique.
00:45:15
Speaker
Well, I'm going to I'm going to pick the easy one. Total boat. That's what I was thinking that.
00:45:21
Speaker
Total Boat Gleam 2.0? Yeah, no. Because we're typically tongue oil, maybe wax, real organically minded, no fumes, no VOCs, real non-toxic kind of stuff. But it doesn't give you that same depth as this. But that wasn't the main reason we really went with this finish.
00:45:56
Speaker
I mean, it's an exterior door. Right. The weatherproofing sort of aspect of it's a marine spar varnish. So it's made for a boat. So it's going to protect the door for a long time. Yeah. Yeah. We talked about it because we use the Rubio exterior. Is that what it's called? Yeah. The hybrid wood protector. We use that on that coffee bar thing because we knew it was going to be around humidity and water. Literally there's
00:46:13
Speaker
Yeah, this was for, you know, just...
00:46:25
Speaker
you know, a tap coming out of the thing. Steam's going to be coming off that coffee machine. So we went with that and we were thinking about choosing one of those things. Yeah, it just doesn't seem that protected. No, I mean, we used it or and it looked like furniture grade stuff. Yeah. And we wanted something that was at least a couple of ticks above that. Yeah, yeah.
00:46:54
Speaker
I mean, it's been a it's been a good finish so far. Yeah, you've been putting it on. I've been watching you basically roll it on and then your back brush and it's been leveling pretty easily. Yeah, I mean, you could spray it. You can roll it on. You can brush it on. There's all kinds of, you know, ways to do it. So the total boat. Yeah. I probably left you. You're pretty quick on your feet. What do you what else we got in the
00:47:25
Speaker
For new, that's really it. I mean, we've been talking about it for a while, but we're pretty high on the Brad Point bits from Montana. Yeah, Montana Brand Tools. What else? Yeah, we really have a lot of new stuff going through the shop right now.
00:47:47
Speaker
Yeah, we got a powermatic. You know, all stuff we talked about, you know, it was pretty cool was that little router bit that came with the weather stripping. Yeah, I mean, it's not sexy or anything like that. But it really, it made a nice, clean, easy job of it.
00:48:07
Speaker
Yeah, just a slot cutting bit that match the weather stripping. But it's nice when those things wind up working instead of just advertising that they will. Yeah, I mean, that's made by that company to work with that specific. So it fit really nice and snug when it was all said and done. All right. We're blasting through our questions today. And I'm going to read this one from Brian at Grey Point Woodworks on Instagram.
00:48:38
Speaker
Have you ever turned down a job because it was too intimidating?
Intimidating Job Offers
00:48:44
Speaker
Not that I can remember.
00:48:52
Speaker
If one ever came along that we should probably turn down, we wouldn't because we're either too hungry for the chance to do something. That's such a big challenge. I mean, we might turn something down because of the size of it, like we have physical limitations in our shot.
00:49:15
Speaker
I think if it was like intimidating on a skill level, we feel like we would at least be able to muddle through the first half of it, prototype it, ask people, and if we have the machinery for it, we would do it. And I think in the end, it would come out all right. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, we've gotten
00:49:42
Speaker
asked to bid things that were pretty crazy and not necessarily got them, but we definitely bid them and intended on making them and bid that elliptical library a full ellipse of bookcases, which doesn't get much more complicated than that.
00:49:59
Speaker
I don't know. I don't think so. And the way we were doing it wasn't, you know, going to be kind of like half ass in it. We were going to really go out to where we do everything. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, elliptical face frames and cabinets and that's. That's definitely up there in difficulty, just in terms of layout and execution, and they weren't all identical.
00:50:24
Speaker
Right, right. Yeah, it was different. What do you call a section up in a lift along the edge? Need a math teacher in here for that. Is it a sector?
00:50:39
Speaker
I don't know. I literally had no idea. But it was like different chunks of the outer. Yeah, it wasn't like four quadrants of the thing. They were in different portions of the ellipse. Yeah, so they would have different curves, different lengths. Not a lot of repeatability there. No, no.
00:51:03
Speaker
It was big, too. Oh, yeah, it was huge. How many feet do you think that was from far point to far point? I don't remember. I'd like to go see what the hell they did. Yeah. Because I think a site carpenter did it. Yeah, probably. That's the inside scoop that I got. So you know, it came out kind of like that.
00:51:28
Speaker
Yeah, we will see. We won't get to see that stuff. So the answer is no, we never did. We haven't been asked to do something that scared us off. Not to say that there is or isn't.
00:51:43
Speaker
but I mean if something came along we would be smart enough to know I don't think we can do that yeah I mean but what I can't even think of something as long as there's enough money in the job to you know cover any any
00:51:59
Speaker
tooling or something that we needed. Yeah. And I mean, if we got right down to it, we could sort of supervise larger scale production by farming out some of the labor. I mean, that's kind of the way things are done in the modern age now, too. We have the experience doing that.
00:52:18
Speaker
You're right. There's probably not much that we wouldn't jump into feed first. Bring it on. Brian, do you have anything in mind? Yeah, let us know because it sounds like maybe you're leading a little bit and that you had something. Yeah. Or maybe not. But if you guys have anything, let us know.
00:52:44
Speaker
Definitely. I know, starting out, I took on jobs that wouldn't be anything extremely difficult now, but at those stages, I didn't know what the hell I was doing. And I took it on. I mean, you can't do anything.
00:52:59
Speaker
for the first time without knowing what the hell you're doing. That's right. For the first couple of years. And then I kind of got in that mode. So I would always read about something and then want to work it into the next job. So as the designer, I'd plug it in and plug it in until one of those jobs hit. So I could actually work on it.
00:53:24
Speaker
All right, you want to take this last one? Yeah, we got another one here for Miles, Eat, Drink, Wine Guy, one of our patrons. Can you use a card scraper to finish a piece rather than sand? I've heard that the way it cuts the fibers, it should be fine. Have I heard wrong? People do. I mean, there are proponents of it. Yeah. I've sort of heard both sides.
00:53:50
Speaker
Yeah, you're going to get somewhat of a scrape look, too. I mean, it's not going to look the same as a sanded piece, for sure. And I think it would also depend on the size.
00:54:07
Speaker
Like a big tabletop would be a lot harder, I think, to get done super evenly, you know, where there weren't any marks or there's some, you know, call it maker's marks, for lack of a better word. What do you think? Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
00:54:38
Speaker
I've really never tried it. No, because it's just not practical really for us. Like everything is sort of big for the most part. We're not going to scrape with a card scraper an entire piece of furniture and then finish on it. I mean, I've seen a lot of guys, you know, use a card scraper and then sand. And I've seen people just use a card scraper. So I mean, I don't know. I don't know what the true answer is.
00:55:06
Speaker
I mean, I love my scrapers. I use them a lot. I like, you know, considering that sort of like my pre sanding ritual, you know, scraping. I like using if I'm have to level any joints, I like to use it. And then I like to go back and sand and I like to use the six inch sander even because. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, our scrapers aren't really set up. They're not like fine tools. They're they're they're like our miter saw.
00:55:34
Speaker
Yeah, I have one that I try and keep pretty nice, and then one that's for more rough stuff, but... We're not scraping as a finish. No. It's more of a production tool, I guess. So... You happy with that? That's all we got. Yeah. You guys are slacking this week on the questions.
00:56:05
Speaker
We're sub one hour right now. Holy smokes. Have we ever been that short? I don't know. I mean, maybe the very, very first ones. I remember when you told us we were going to have to talk for an hour. I thought, oh, my God. Who's going to want to listen us for an hour? Let's see. Got episode one there. Yeah, this is everything.
00:56:38
Speaker
Even episode one was an hour three. So that's what we gotta shoot for. We can't go sub hour three, can we? We got one that's 59, 12. Hour and 10. All right. We still have thoughts on the beer of the week. That's true.
00:57:09
Speaker
The old zero gravity Frankie. Everyone's summer crush. You know anybody named Frankie? I don't think so. I got a cousin. He's known as Frankie Boy.
00:57:29
Speaker
He doesn't sound like he's everyone's crush. No. Because his dad is also a Frank. That's my uncle, Vindy. That's as close as I have to a Frankie. Yeah, no, I don't know any Frankies. I know Frank. I know Frank. Yeah, who's Frank? Governor 1-3. Oh. Oh, yeah, we were just talking.
00:58:02
Speaker
So... I should go first. I like it. Still got a little left in here. Been sipping away at it. It was good. It's broody. Yeah. It needs some more acidity or tartness or something for me. A little bit like... I don't know. Is it slightly carbonated? It's definitely carbonated. Like in that seltzer-y kind of way?
00:58:31
Speaker
What do you mean? Like beer? Well, it has more like smaller bubbles, it feels like. Oh, I don't know. Beer is carbonated, right? Yeah, that's why it has to come out of the keg with the pressure. It had bubbles on the top. Yeah, if anything, I felt like it was under carbonated.
00:58:58
Speaker
I'm not really an aficionado. It was okay. It doesn't taste a lot like beer. No. Whereas the other fruity beers we've had had more of a beer taste, I think. I don't know. Again, I'd like to taste these things side by side. My memory fails. Yeah, it's hard. You blow out your palate.
00:59:29
Speaker
I'll give it one thumb up, not two. I thought it was going to be better, more juicy and sort of crisp, but it was like bright. Spritzy? Spritzy is probably what I'm trying to describe with those tiny bubbles. I just didn't find it. To me, tiny bubbles is the opposite of spritzy. Big bubbles is spritzy to me.
00:59:58
Speaker
Because little bubbles is like creamy. Big bubbles is like crisp. So we're talking semantics here. Well, no, that's that's reality. You know, you think of like, give me some examples. Well, like this that had small bowls. I didn't think it was crisp. Right. Like a fresca. That's crisp. Yeah. We're like a diet coke.
01:00:25
Speaker
This was like creamy almost. I should have had it a little bit faster. It wasn't as flavorful as it warmed up, I'm going to say. Like those first few gulps really went down nice and easy. What do you think? I don't know. Too much cherry, not enough lemon. They need to be more tart.
01:00:56
Speaker
Oh man, zero gravity better get back to the drawing board on this one. They got big shoes to fill. I'm gonna give them a thumbs up because... I gave them one thumb up.
01:01:09
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, so if we have two and I never I haven't been great in that way. I've just either by pass or fail for me. So I'm going to say pass. It's a pass. Yeah, it's a pass. I didn't dislike it. Yeah. But I just thought it could be better. All right. You can be that way. Like tart cherry. It wasn't tart. That's they're called a tart cherry. Hmm.
01:01:36
Speaker
I don't really smell any cherry. I taste a cherry, yeah. I don't know. Maybe it was just too complex for us. The jury's out.
01:01:53
Speaker
I'm a simple guy, you know, like a nice Schlitz or a poor's light. Yeah, of course. Five cores light. Yeah. A big thanks to our gold tier patrons, Jerry Green and David Murphy, Manny Sirani, Dustin Fair, Adam Pot has David Shoemaker and Colin. Why? Thank you, guys. Yeah, I appreciate it.
01:02:16
Speaker
And we'll see you guys in the... In the near future. In the Patreon show. Patreon. To be named. Should we let the Patreons name the show? No, because all I want is to know what the next live stream is about and they can't even answer that.
01:02:40
Speaker
All right, Patreons, time to step up your game. Yeah, come on. Let us know. Oh, I told you it's going to be about ancient aliens. Now I can talk forever on that. You don't want that. So tune in next week and episode 38. That's right. Adios.
01:03:19
Speaker
Ain't no shame, but there's been a chain