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The American Craftsman Podcast Ep. 29 | Splinters
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On Episode 289 of The American Craftsman Podcast, hosted by Greene Street Joinery, we answer some questions from our listeners.
Beer of the Week (Icarus Milkshaking It): https://untappd.com/b/icarus-brewing-milkshaking-it/3240954
Tool of the Week: (Tajima G16 Tape Measure) https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0036ZJL60/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=greenestreetj-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B0036ZJL60&linkId=827c5ba3541d712a6a4d2a5f223bb302
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Transcript
Milestone Celebration
00:00:17
Speaker
Ain't no shame, but there's been a chain. And we're live. Wow. Welcome. We're going to start this out like we always do and say, man, can't believe this is episode 29. Can't believe we've been doing this for 29 weeks. Yeah. 29.
Quality Control on the Internet
00:00:39
Speaker
Welcome to the American Craftsman podcast, episode 29.
00:00:44
Speaker
We're I think we've got this thing going and they haven't kicked us off the air yet. Yeah. Is there an Internet police FCC to just get rid of like stuff that's no good? No, there's plenty of it out there. Just scroll around Instagram for a little while. There's no quality control management. No, no, I wish there was. I don't know. They might be screening us off. Yeah.
00:01:13
Speaker
Well, we're here again. Wednesday in the shop. Yeah, yeah.
Beer of the Week
00:01:18
Speaker
Starting the podcast off as we always do with the beer of the week. Yeah, I'm looking forward to this because we got some hype coming.
00:01:27
Speaker
And what do we what do we have here under? Oh, yeah. Check this out. I mean, this is some of the best stuff as far as, you know, doing the podcast and it's not going to focus very well. Yeah, you could probably see better the community and the and the friends we've made long distance friends from all over the country, all over the world.
00:01:50
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. So Alec, who's one of our Patreon patrons and and a buddy of ours on Instagram and everything, he just got a laser engraver. So we sent over some coasters with the with the logo. And for those that were just listening, we were holding up these really cool round coasters with the podcast logo.
00:02:15
Speaker
engraved laser engraved into them yeah if you're interested in one of the glasses we still have some left the American craftsman podcast beer glass
00:02:25
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, we've been giving them out as like parting gifts to our guests. Yeah, so you could head over to the website. Got those for $9.99, $10 bucks or something we're selling them for. Yeah, that's basically cost plus the shipping and everything. Yeah, right. So yeah, if you want to drink along while you listen to the podcast, you can grab your own glass. There are those sort of can shaped glasses. Yeah, it's a nice big 16-ounceer.
00:02:52
Speaker
Yeah. Well, I'm parched. Yeah, yeah. Working up the thirst already. All right. I'm going to crack it open and pour it in. Oh, I like the name already. So this is a beer from Icarus Brewing, local brewery. We've had, oh wow, I'm looking at the ABV on this now. We've had this, beers from them once or twice before. This is called milkshaking it.
00:03:19
Speaker
Heavily weeded and oted, Northeast Imperial India pale ale with lactose and vanilla beans copiously dry hopped with experimental 09326 Columbus and lupulin citra conditioned on Madagascar vanilla beans. That's a mouthful. 8.1% ABV by volume. Icarus brewing, brewed and canned in Lakewood, New Jersey. Oh, it's got a nice color to it. Yeah.
00:03:50
Speaker
Certainly smells nice. That's a 16 ounce can just getting into the glass. Wow. That's distinctive. I'm going to have to let that settle a little bit. Yeah, I had to finish it off.
00:04:19
Speaker
Cheers to you guys. Not bad. Wow. You can taste that 8.1%. Yeah. And it's definitely a distinctive flavor. There's a lot going on there. I can taste the lactose.
00:04:49
Speaker
Anyhoo, we won't get too deep into the beer. We'll, uh, we'll say that to the end if we can remember what the hell it tastes like by that point.
Tools and Preferences
00:04:58
Speaker
Yeah. What do you got for tool of the week? Wow.
00:05:02
Speaker
The tool of the week is my 16 foot Tajima tape. And, uh, the reason I brought out all these other tapes, I have my, uh, how do you say this stall wheel stall while that was, that was in the apron there for a while, uh, made in Germany.
00:05:25
Speaker
I had the half metric. I also have the Tajima. This is just a little six footer. That's almost a toy. Jeff and I both tried this Komalon. Sucked. Yeah. This Milwaukee tape is pretty good. This is, I found, if I was like making the deck or something like that, this is all right. The blade on that's massively wide. And this was really my old
00:05:52
Speaker
stand by this steel case Stanley 12 footer. I mean, because the weight of this is more more than this and this put together. Yeah. And this one, as you can see, we're a little bit have a little nerd thing going with the tapes just a little bit. This is just a partial. There's probably another 10 tapes in the shop. Oh, yeah. Ten different tapes laying around here.
00:06:19
Speaker
But this is the one that's back in the apron. It was in the apron. I tried all these others. I mean, except for the Stanley, that was that was an oldie. It's just the tape is really wearing out on that. It's not as not as accurate either. You know, it's important when you're working with more than one guy in a shop that your tapes read the same. Yeah.
00:06:43
Speaker
We ran into that with another guy. But I love this tape. One of the things I like about it is that it's really easy to read. Yeah, if you're just listening, it's a Tajima G16. They have a couple different lines. But yeah, it has a white tape.
00:07:02
Speaker
And it's kind of matte. Yeah. You know, I don't really like the gloss finish. No, it doesn't really make any sense. It's it's I'm not concerned with stand out so much like, you know, like with framers and things like that. Yeah. But I do like a pretty stiff blade so that, you know, you can. You hold it with your finger like I don't really clip the lock too much. I like to just hold my finger on the bottom of the tape.
00:07:28
Speaker
It returns really nice, it's got a good feel to it, and it's not too big that it doesn't go in and out of the apron. That Milwaukee's... That's ridiculously large. Yeah, it's about... The blade is an inch and a half wide. Yeah. This is, yeah, it's got its place, but it's just too big to be practical.
00:07:53
Speaker
I had my hopes up on that Komalon. Yeah. Because it, you know, it's got a nice feel to it. It's got a nice shape. Yeah. Super light. Yeah. You know, a little too bright for me, maybe. The color choice is a little weird. But the auto lock just sucks and it wore out.
00:08:14
Speaker
In less than a couple of days. Yeah, you know they have everything marked 1 8th quarter 3 8s half Okay, I know what the not well, I know what the tick marks are Maybe if you had it on just the inch, but it's all the way it's all the way on the whole tape Yeah, 1 8th 1 quarter 1 come on. You can't read the tape. Yeah, you shouldn't own one right? Yeah
00:08:36
Speaker
So that's my recommendation. If you don't know about Tajima tapes, their main Japan, they're a real high quality tape. Very accurate, that sort of thing. I've had a.
00:08:51
Speaker
four or five different Todjama tape measures. Yeah, they've turned me on to that brand, too. They make some other tools, too, and they're all really good. Oh, yeah. Yeah. If you use a chalk line, the best chalk line you can buy is the Chalk Right, I think it's called by Todjama. What else do I have? I have the convoy caulking guns. I think, did you have their knife?
00:09:12
Speaker
I have had the blue utility knife, a little small for me. I like a big utility knife. I use a little three-eighths inch snap-off knives in the shop, but on like an install, I want a big... Yeah, you use that beefy one. Yeah, Stanley Titan.
00:09:32
Speaker
Yeah, so there you go. That's it. That's a good record. Hardie recommendation. Yeah. Put a link for that down in the description. Tajima G 16. Yeah.
00:09:45
Speaker
Shock resistant. And if you have a little kid at home and you want to get him started, get him a G6. When Jess Boy, who's two and a half comes by, I give him this tape to play with and he's he's learning his numbers and how to use a tape. Yeah, several tape measures. Yeah. Yeah. So this says, Tajima Tools for a perfect job anytime, anywhere since 1909. Wow.
00:10:14
Speaker
Yeah, tried and true. Yeah. Feels feels right. Yeah, it's got a good it's got a good lock if you do use a lot. Yeah. A lot like the Stanley ones. You can't easily get them fully locked down. I venture to guess that that Milwaukee is maybe the same because it's so big. Yeah. But this, you know, easily gets to the fully locked. Yeah. Is it easy?
00:10:37
Speaker
Yeah, it's got a lot of travel. There's a there's a final. There's there's like a two. It's a two part kind of thing. That's what this one is. Yeah. But like the Stanley fat max fat maxes. You really got to push down hard. Yeah. Maybe it's just my dainty furniture maker hands.
00:10:54
Speaker
I was a car. I was a psych carpenter for a long time. Don't forget. I'm converting you over to the dark side. Yeah. Because the difference between working out in the field and working in the shop is pretty vast as you start, you know, getting like
00:11:13
Speaker
used to working at a bench and carrying less stuff because everything sort of within reach. You don't have to pack your things up at night. So you do start going smaller and lighter on some things you can get away with it. So there you go. Check them out. Check them out. Yeah.
00:11:34
Speaker
Well, right for the week. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Scheduling Struggles
00:11:38
Speaker
Got one soon to be retired. Great. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe. Yeah. Well, you know, we'll, we'll, we'll put on the shelf for a while. I mean, today's a little gray, but we've had some glorious weather here the last few days. For those that don't know, we're in the Northeast U S we're on the coast of New Jersey, central Jersey coast.
00:11:59
Speaker
And it was just like 60s, 65 maybe, sun shining. 52 now, but it doesn't feel like it. Because it's overcast. The Robins are coming out. Yep. And it really spring is so nice if you live in a four season area where that winter time is dissipating and you feel spring coming and
00:12:25
Speaker
you start to see some of the buds on the plants and those birds coming back. So it's hard to gripe when you have that kind of stuff going on outside your window and outside. But my gripe of the week this week is and this is something we were kind of talking about earlier is
00:12:43
Speaker
the way news is always focusing on... Oh, I thought you were going on in a different direction. No. And when I say news, I mean, you know, the reported news. And it's what I was reading in the Times about a couple of research institutes that kind of filed up on this story, this train of thought to see if it was really true.
00:13:12
Speaker
Turns out they did one study that came up with results and they triple checked it with a couple others and people are more interested in something that sounds like a bad accident or tragedy.
00:13:30
Speaker
And that's a shame. I mean, I'm probably guilty of it myself, but I would like to wish that we could start focusing on better news, because my griper week is the focus on all the bad news out there instead of some of the good things that are going on. I thought you were going to grape about your physical therapy this morning.
00:13:54
Speaker
That's where I thought you were going. Forget about what I just said. He is my real gripe for the week. Okay, so this is the petty gripe. That was a real gripe. That was a real gripe. My petty gripe.
00:14:08
Speaker
Now Jeff and I both go into PT physical therapy, him for his knees, mine, I have a bicep tendon that's in bad shape and it's been bugging me on and off for about four years. So finally I go to physical therapy and I set my appointment for seven o'clock. So we can get here and get to work. This is why Jeff and I both do it, even though we're the quote unquote bosses.
00:14:34
Speaker
We, you know, we like to work and we like to know where we got to run a business. It's, you know, you can't take advantage of that kind of stuff as much as, you know, some people may try. That's right. So we both schedule for seven o'clock so we can get back at work, you know, sort of the normal working time. Eight o'clock takes about 10 minutes for us to get from the office to the shop.
00:15:00
Speaker
And my guy, he doesn't like starting at seven o'clock. So he kept telling me, you know, you don't have to come at seven. You can come at seven, fifteen, seven, twenty. For your seven o'clock appointment. Right. Right. And I'm like, but I want to come at seven because I want to be done at eight. Right. I mean, I would have made a seven thirty appointment had I wanted to come at seven. I don't like getting out of the house that early either, but, you know, that's his job. Right.
00:15:28
Speaker
So today I go there seven I even sat in the car till 10 after seven thought I'd give them a little chance. Go up to places closed. I go back I sit in the car, you know, reading some stuff on my phone. 720 still no answer. So
00:15:50
Speaker
I called, I canceled all my appointments. I said, well, no, we were there at 7.20. I'm like, no, you really weren't there at 7.20. Because I was there at 7.20. So I mean, what's the gripe in a couple of words? Can you put that in a sentence?
00:16:12
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know. I was just thinking like, you know, if you have a doctor's appointment and you don't show up, they can like charge you. Yeah. Yeah. But now you're out your time. Yeah. That's the other thing. They didn't even call me to wonder where I was. They didn't call all day. I had to call them after lunch. And they're saying
00:16:33
Speaker
Oh no, no, we don't, we, we could be there at seven. I'm like, no, no, cancel my appointment. Should be there at six 45 if you got a seven o'clock appointment. Exactly. I was telling Rob, I show up to my, cause I go to a different physical therapist.
00:16:47
Speaker
I show up at 6.55, the girl's sitting at the desk, the, the, uh, whatever receptionist. And I see my physical therapist is sitting there on the computer, getting ready. Lights are on. Yeah. And it's not like they have to like jump right to work. Cause for me, probably same. I go on the bike for eight minutes. That's the first thing I do. Yeah. First thing for me is 10 minutes of heat.
00:17:11
Speaker
So they're not even all they do is put the pad on and they pull it out of the thing and put it on your arm. And then I'm pretty much self, you know, motivated because they I have the sheet with all the stretches. Yeah. I mean, I've been doing the same thing the whole time I've been going. I don't even need they're getting paid to just see me inside the door. Yeah. So for the first 20 minutes, I'm all on my own. They don't even need to do anything.
00:17:39
Speaker
So that really at 720, that's when the guy could start working on me. Grow up, guy. Come on. Seven o'clock is not that early. I'm up 5 a.m. 24, 7, 365. I know. So. Oh, man, it was it was so annoying because I went to bed extra early last night so I could get up earlier so I could have my morning routine and then go.
00:18:08
Speaker
Well i pulled in at seven forty i saw your car i was like what the hell happened yeah i was it ruined my whole morning yeah but it worked out well in the end because i i dug out my old big brace what's that company's enjoy.
00:18:23
Speaker
My big Don Joy brace with the articulated elbow and my arm feels better today. I mean, that thing's a bear to strap on. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But is it titanium? I think that's what the new ones are.
00:18:40
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know what's on the inside, but, you know, it's that big neoprene and it straps on tight. So it's it's a rugged thing. But my arm doesn't isn't sore today. And I did all that hand sand. Yeah, it doesn't allow you to like go out of the correct range of motion. Right. Well, I mean, we both sanded for four hours this morning. Yeah. I mean, I got this swollen knuckle over here. So the middle knuckle on my right hand is like twice the size of
00:19:08
Speaker
So for those of you who want to be woodworkers, you know, today was we, it was a combined eight hours of sanding before lunch. Yeah.
Woodworking Challenges
00:19:18
Speaker
And I'd be doing more if it wasn't, if we weren't sitting down for this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So there you go. We got, it was a double gripe, a real one. They're both real, but one's petty. Yeah. More legitimate. Yeah. So.
00:19:31
Speaker
That was pretty good. Yeah. Well, we got a decent amount of questions this week. We better get rocking and rolling. Yeah. You know, I, I, when you printed this out, I, I read this as we were setting up and I, I laughed because I let you take it down. So here's our very first question from Hey Good Hardwoods on Instagram. I'm a hobbyist woodworker and started taking jobs from friends and family to pay for my hobby. We all kind of started that way.
00:20:01
Speaker
I'm intermediate at best and feel like I know my limits. When you were getting started, had you both handled situations when a job may be testing the limits of your skill set? Have you ever had an experience where you realize you're in way over your head?
00:20:21
Speaker
Go ahead, Jeff. Well, I'll say that, you know, really, every job is testing our skill set in some way or another because we're we always introduce something to the job to like, even if it's a kitchen, if it's something that we've built a thousand times, we might introduce a new technique or a new new process, a new way of doing something, we might say.
00:20:51
Speaker
Oh, we're going to do the we're going to try and bore the shelf pins this way this time or whatever. You know, you're going to do we're going to do something new. Right. Just to, you know, try and expand the skill set that you're talking about. How do we handle the situation in terms of testing the skill set?
00:21:12
Speaker
We don't really handle much. We kind of just we kind of just go for it. And then, you know, if it doesn't work out, you always have the you can fall back on. Yeah. Stuff that we know is a little bit. Right. Solid. So in terms of being in over our head, good example is this. Yeah, you could see right here the these are the curved parts for those cheese lounges that we were building. Now, these were originally supposed to be steam bent.
00:21:41
Speaker
We've never done any steam bending, none whatsoever. So that was the plan originally. Yeah. On our end, these weren't sold as steam bent. They weren't sold as anything in particular. Just curved. Right. Yeah. The drawing didn't even have wood grain on it. So we're matching something that already exists, which, you know, not something we typically do.
00:22:05
Speaker
So the steambending, I mean, we tried three or four different ways to go about it and they all, you know, failed miserably. Well, I mean, yeah, they all failed. They didn't. They weren't up to snuff. Some of them were right. We got close, but they weren't. Wasn't 100 percent. No way.
00:22:25
Speaker
So what we did is we fell back to a technique that we were comfortable with, which was gluing, gluing them up, cutting it on the bandsaw, flush trimming on the shaper. That was a little clancher. Yeah. Yeah. John is also a learning experience. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. That was something new. So John Peters is going to come by tomorrow and and shoot a little video. We're going to talk about the flush trim in there and the. Yeah. We might talk about the planer maybe.
00:22:52
Speaker
Yeah, so one of the things you touched on is that that doesn't ever go away, the over your head, so to speak. I mean, that's part of who we are and how we operate. Yeah, I was going to say, there's plenty of guys that don't do it the way that we do where, you know, they just do the same old thing day in and day out. But, you know, if you want to, A, get better at what you do and B,
00:23:18
Speaker
enjoy coming to work every day, then you have to be introducing these new ways to do things, new techniques, new new tools, all that stuff. And it's not to say that we don't repeat certain stylistic cues and everything, but even something simple like these walnut units, the construction techniques we are very familiar with. We used a lot of dominoes and they made these web frames.
00:23:45
Speaker
But the thing we didn't know until it was all put together is if it would be strong enough, if it would hold itself up, because it's there's a lot of negative space in this design. That's what the client wanted. Yeah. So about 90 percent negative. Right. There are no solid walls. There's no back. There's no top. There's no bottom. And it's going to hold glass shelves. And it's all these irregular heights and widths.
00:24:12
Speaker
So we knew we could build it, we just didn't know what would be the result at the end. And they came out surprisingly stiff and strong. We were like, wow, this worked. Yeah, those front middle sections, that front corner is completely unsupported, not unsupported, but there's no lateral, nothing to stop it from moving laterally.
00:24:40
Speaker
So that worked out. But again, we had no idea and this job was on the books. We just found out yesterday that it worked. Yeah, you know, sometimes you got to backtrack.
00:24:56
Speaker
Right. Right. So I mean, these Chase lounges were supposed to be delivered six weeks ago. Yeah. You know, luckily we have, you know, there's not a tight delivery deadline because, you know, this building is totally held up anyway with all with covid. Right. You know, all the delays associated with that.
00:25:14
Speaker
They're not looking for these chairs. No. No, I mean, it's probably getting towards a time where they're ready to accept them. Yeah So we had that's my time. Yeah and You know, we we've worked on multiple jobs at the same time. So
00:25:29
Speaker
Yeah. We licked our wounds and went back to another job. We said, all right. And then the Monday will come. All right. What are we going to do with these chaise lounges this week? And for for about a month every week, we were embarking on a new strategy. Yeah. But, you know,
00:25:53
Speaker
all that time it's going to pay dividends later on because oh yeah we know what's possible and what's not and what not to do so sometimes you have to learn by failure that's it i mean we look at these as um you know increasing the value of our of our knowledge base and and eventually
00:26:13
Speaker
of the company as we grow and expand. So that's what we're going to encourage you to do. Don't think of it as being in over your head in a negative way. Look at it as expanding your horizons there. Yeah, and something I thought of when I was writing this down this morning was
00:26:32
Speaker
you know like whenever I have to do something that I haven't done before like when I built that curved hood at times like I had never built a curved hood before so I think came out great leading up to that I just immersed myself in as much information on that as I could so start googling how to build a curved hood YouTube how to build a curved hood building a curved hood
00:26:55
Speaker
Uh, you know, and just, and take in as much information as you can. And, you know, you're going to be able to piece it together from, you might have to watch three dozen different things or YouTube's amazing that way too. Yeah. Um, you know, reach out to people on Instagram. You got a question that we can answer hit us up, you know, because
00:27:17
Speaker
You got to learn somehow. Right. You don't always want to just look at the successes like on Instagram. It's all this amazing stuff in, you know, forward. What do you call that? Fast forward. Yeah. You know, people doing stuff. You don't see the process to get to that point, which is usually a bunch of failures and learning and figuring out. Yeah. We're constantly doing new stuff.
00:27:43
Speaker
So we have to figure it out each job and that's exciting for us All right, let's go number two yeah When gluing do you guys glue size the joint meaning do you squirt glue in the joint like on a miter fold?
Glue Sizing Techniques
00:28:00
Speaker
Fold the joint then open it back up let the glue to let the glue enter into the pores then add a little more glue and clamp it up and
00:28:09
Speaker
Wow, that was hard to explain. I knew what Andy from Andy C makes on Instagram. Check out Andy's Instagram because he makes some really interesting stuff. And he's like he does millwork as his day job, but then he does like all kinds of cool carvings and stuff.
00:28:29
Speaker
I would say it depends on what we're gluing up. I do that on stuff like the feet for this cherry cabinet. I'm always motioning to things off camera that and I'm expecting people to know what the hell I'm talking about. Yeah, it has these mitered bracket feet. So like when I do stuff like that where it's a miter, first of all, I always try and I like call it double gluing, double glue a miter so that it's a really strong joint because it's naturally a weak joint.
00:28:57
Speaker
like a panel glue up we're not gonna do it on that because you know you're gonna get your squeeze out and it's gonna be good edge grain to edge grain I tend to do it with any type of end grain whether both sides are end grain or one side is end grain do it in situations like that
00:29:13
Speaker
Yeah, that's pretty much shop routine. Yeah, we don't really miter fold anything. But miters will be a little bit more conscious of spreading that glue in with a brush on both sides and packing it in. Yeah, I really push it in with my finger.
00:29:28
Speaker
because you can like when I was a trim carpenter I would double glue on my miters you can you can cover the entire joint with glue where you can't even see the wood and you come back in 60 seconds yeah the glue is gone it all gets sucked down into the pores of the wood yeah yeah I'm pretty conscious of trying to get the right amount of squeeze out yeah you know I don't want to starve the joint but I don't want to flood the joint either on like the regular kind of glue ups yeah yeah but
00:29:57
Speaker
Yeah, I think trial and error, too, goes a long way. We're always testing the glue joints when we like glue up a panel and then we cut it up to size and we'll smack those. Oh, yeah. We want to see where it's going to break. Yeah. So that's that's about it. Yeah. I wonder what Andy does.
00:30:23
Speaker
I'm going to guess the glue sizes. Yeah. Yeah. I never heard that expression until I started working at Tom's glue size. Yeah. Well, yeah. You can glue size too, like it was, which is what we did over there. Like edges of MDF with a mixture of water and glue to harden things up. And I know you can do that too on, you know, on wood. Right. You pretreat the edges with a glue sizing solution to get them nice and hard.
00:30:53
Speaker
Yeah. This next question is pretty interesting.
Opening a Storefront
00:30:57
Speaker
Yeah, some we've talked about. Yeah. Have you guys ever considered opening a storefront pros and cons of actually having a store? That's from Luke Brown's custom craft on Instagram.
00:31:10
Speaker
Yeah, we've talked about it. First of all, real estate in New Jersey, whether it's purchase, rental, anything at all, and Jeff's just gone through it firsthand, is so expensive, it's prohibitive. It'd be number one question.
00:31:32
Speaker
All right, yeah, let's get a storefront. We'll we'll hire somebody to to sit there and we'll, you know, make a bunch of pieces on spec. And that'll really be a great way to get tires up for a year. Yeah. Our word out where people can touch the stuff and see it and really experience what it's like to, you know, work with, you know, a handmade piece of furniture.
00:32:00
Speaker
We'd never be able to afford it. We'd have to make twice as much stuff in our shop just to be able to pay for the rent. Yeah, and to even how are we going to get anything? How are we going to build anything on spec when we're busy building things on commission? We're already. So it would be a huge equation to like, we'd have to expand. We'd have to have a bigger shop because we're sort of at capacity here in our little shop. Yeah.
00:32:27
Speaker
Then we'd have to have a whole other staff of production staff and then another one or two people to work the storefront. It sounds great, but it's just not feasible for us as small as we are and in our location. Yeah, yeah, I think
00:32:51
Speaker
You really have to have a well-known name to benefit from a storefront, or not to benefit, to make opening a storefront feasible. Like if we were, you know, places like Moser that we talk about all the time, they have brick and mortar stores. They got them all over the country.
00:33:10
Speaker
because people know people that buy are in the market for, you know, nice handmade furniture or whatever you want to call that. Yeah. I mean, it's mostly handmade, the mozer stuff. Yeah. Yeah. They do a really nice job of mixing that.
00:33:27
Speaker
People who are in the market for that kind of stuff know about Moser. So they go to the Moser showroom. If you don't know Green Street joinery, you're not just going to stumble in from the street into this. Yeah. You'd have to have like a really prime location. Like let's say.
00:33:43
Speaker
Even then, you need a targeted audience because, you know, Joe Schmo isn't going to come in and spend fifteen thousand dollars on a piece of casework. You'll get the random person strolling down, like if it's, let's say, Broadway or whatever in Red Bank or, you know, there's a lot of foot traffic on that street. So we have a couple of things in the window. We'll get random people walking in the store, but it's a tire kickers.
00:34:08
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And then why is this why is this table twenty thousand dollars? Yeah. Well, I can get one in fortune. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So, boy, you'd have to have some thick skin to be the the worker at the store. Yeah. Because you can I mean, I could only imagine the insults and things like that. I mean, rent, sir, you're talking three grand probably a month.
00:34:37
Speaker
Plus, you know all the overhead involved with payroll and you got to pay the person to be there and You know, then you got to pay Someone ourselves to create the inventory to be inside the store. Yeah So it's easier for us our storefront is Instagram Yeah, you want to see what we can make you go there see what we've built and then you want something we'll make it for you
00:35:01
Speaker
Yeah, I think we the audience reach might not be as big a factor as. Someone really getting hands on the furniture. Oh, yeah, that would be the big draw, right? But I don't know, maybe one day something will change. Right now, it's just me and Jeff behind the house in the shop. Yeah.
00:35:30
Speaker
So unless there's somebody out there listening, you know, that has some space, good location, they want to, you know, yeah, they want to maybe just lend it to us for a year or two, see what we can do with it. Yeah. I mean, I'd love to start building stuff on spec. That's the dream, you know, to build what we want to build. Right. And then people just buy it. Yeah. But, you know, it takes time to get to that point. And, you know, most people never get to that point. Yeah.
00:36:01
Speaker
All right. You want to read the next question?
Sanding Preferences
00:36:03
Speaker
Yeah. From our buddy Jordan, Jack Pallet on Instagram. Variable speed sanders. How often do you adjust the speed or is it set on high speed for maximum or sorry, is it set on high for maximum sanding speed or slowed down for higher grits?
00:36:19
Speaker
We're all about the maximum speed, I think. Yeah, just keep that thing cranked to six. If there was a seven or eight, it'd be on it. Yeah. Even the Rotex, that thing stays on high, high, high. Yeah.
00:36:34
Speaker
Sanding is, as everybody knows, everybody who's sanded knows it's, you know, it's something you have to do, you have to do it well to get the job finished, right? But I don't know if anybody really enjoys, I mean, today we both had to get in our little zones and just do it. Yeah, it was like an hour a piece to sand those, because it's an inside curve and an outside curve. Mostly hand sanding.
00:37:03
Speaker
Yeah, that's I started with using the combination, but sometimes just having the quiet is worth the extra work to do it by hand. Yeah. And you're not going to roll an edge over with the right by hand sanding. So number six all the time. Yeah. Twenty four seven. That's that's a festool speed. Here's my go higher. Yes, we only have six beads.
Planer Fixes
00:37:31
Speaker
Well, this is a loaded question from Jerry, one of our patrons, GA Woodshop on Instagram. Jerry's going to want to know what's going on with the planer. He says, give us an update on the planer.
00:37:45
Speaker
The planer is all set back up. So when we got it, you know, in these planers from infeed side over, you have your infeed roller, there's a chip breaker, which is like this piece of steel, essentially, right? Yeah, like same thing that you would have on your on your hand plane just to reverse because right, you know, you're feeding in a different direction.
00:38:11
Speaker
infeed roller, chip breaker, cutter head, outfeed roller. So when we got the machine, the chip breaker was like, it never got set up. So it was like actually an eighth of an inch lower than the cutter head. So we're trying to jam boards in. So I'm like, why the hell are these boards getting stuck? They're not feeding in. Must be the infeed roller. You know, the infeed roller is too high. So I adjusted this thing all out of whack.
00:38:36
Speaker
Um, with a dial indicator that, you know, it was a hundredths of an inch that was the readout on that thing. So. Got a new dial indicator, got everything back to book spec, and, uh, it's running pretty good now. I had to raise the chip breaker actually after I adjusted it, came back down somehow.
00:38:55
Speaker
I need to bring it back down because it actually it helps keep the piece down to the bed. Yeah. So I'm getting a little bit of snipe right now. So if I bring that back down, I had it at one point. There was no snipe, which I've I've never seen. There was literally no snipe on the board front or back. So.
00:39:13
Speaker
Yeah, so the plan was is for the most part, it's working really well. Yeah, but it wasn't without a lot of effort on our part that we probably shouldn't have had to spend. Yeah, yeah. And you know, I will say that I probably shouldn't have gone messing around with it.
00:39:29
Speaker
You know, without reading the book. No, I did without a proper dial indicator and without, you know, the thing is, the book was really missing any information on the chip breaker. Yeah, it didn't mention it at all. Yeah, it said it was there. It didn't say anything about how to adjust it or anything. So that's something that Oliver, we spoke to them. They're going to be, you know, create an addendum for the. Whatever you call that manual. Yeah.
00:39:57
Speaker
But yeah, I mean it was a combination of, you know, their fault and our fault. It was a little frustrating. Yeah. Oh, it was extremely frustrating. Yeah, it all worked out. Yeah. So it's doing good now.
00:40:10
Speaker
There's a you know, I guess just with this design, the head has like a little bit of deflection. Yeah, because it is the the cutter head that moves up and down, which I mean, it may be on the four post, too. And I just never noticed it because, you know, now we're like scrutinizing the hell out of this thing. But yeah, I mean, it's working pretty good. Yeah. Yeah.
00:40:36
Speaker
Alright, so there you go, Jerry. There's our update. We didn't throw it away. We felt like it once. I'm realizing that I think I had a question that I missed on here. You want me to read the next one while you search for it? I'll read it. I'll pull it up on my phone. Alright. I'm beginning to pick woodworking back up after taking shop in high school.
00:40:58
Speaker
I bought a DeWalt job site table saw last year. Man, look at all the typos I have in here last year, but now I really want a better saw. After hearing you talk about Oliver, I'm looking into their 10-0-4-0 10-inch hybrid table saw, which is better than a contractor saw, but not as good as a cabinet saw. Of course, I'd also like a saw stop, but it would be about twice as much.
00:41:21
Speaker
Any recommendations on contractor versus cabinet saw for those of us who probably don't need the highest level saw? That's from Parker. He's P Haynes on Instagram. Yeah.
Choosing the Right Saw
00:41:33
Speaker
Well, um, what I would look at Parker, the, um, a lot of the saws that a contractor saws and, um, like, uh, those hybrid saws they call them.
00:41:46
Speaker
similar on the inside yeah where they just the the hybrid saw has like a square hybrid saw is like a contractor saw with a cabinet saw base basically right because one of the big differences is the contractor saw the motor is suspended on this frame where the belt is sort of
00:42:10
Speaker
kept tight by the weight of the motor. Right. And a cabinet saw the motors on this trunnion. So it's really a completely different mechanical setup. It's a lot more solid and stable. And that's really the big advantage to those two saws, I think. Yeah. So just pulled the contractor versus the cabinet. I pulled up the. The Oliver. Yeah.
00:42:41
Speaker
Um, it's not, this is a direct drive. So direct drive. Yeah. Does it say direct drive? That's what it looks like. That's unusual. Yeah. But it says probably V-belt. Oh.
00:43:02
Speaker
I mean, the contractor saws and the, um, cabinet saws both have belts. Yeah. It's just that the, you know, the way the motor is, is fastened. Yeah. I mean, this is the motor. Oh yeah. It looks like the motor is right behind the orbiter. Yeah.
00:43:25
Speaker
So that looks like the motor. It's not hanging like on a contract. It also looks like it goes right right to the orbit. Mm hmm. So I think you would agree with me that if you can afford a saw where the motor is mounted on a trunnion like a cabinet saw, a typical cabinet saw, that'd be the way to go.
00:43:51
Speaker
Yeah, let's see. This is a one and three quarter horsepower. It's only 266 pounds. What would you compare it to?
00:44:09
Speaker
I mean it's probably the the Oliver and the Laguna stuff are very similar so this is probably like one of the lower end Lagunas doesn't have Oliver doesn't have a lot of their prices when they're out of stock they the price doesn't show on their website yeah yeah let me see if I can find you know I'm wondering where you're located Parker because the the first saw that comes to mind would be a Unisaw
00:44:33
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, that's like what we always recommend. That you can get used. That's about a $1,600.
00:44:40
Speaker
Yeah. You, if you're, if you're, you know, lucky and, um, I would say just a little bit lucky because there are a lot of them out there and you're near an auction, especially you can pick up a, for $500 and sometimes less. Um, you can get one that's three horsepower, that's single phase and is a machine that will serve you.
00:45:08
Speaker
you know, forever if you want it. I mean, it's not the best saw. We have one here in the shop, but it's much better than...
00:45:17
Speaker
Most. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Another thing he said was that, you know, he travels a lot or he moves a lot for work. Oh, so he doesn't want something that's too heavy. I mean, yeah, the Unisauce 300 versus four, you know, 400. They're hard to move those. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure moving this and moving that like you need a hand truck either way. So it's probably not much different. But I'd say like if you're looking for something that's 110,
00:45:47
Speaker
And, uh, you know, has a decent cut quality. This doesn't look too bad. I mean, we can't speak to it personally that we haven't used it or seen it or, uh, you know, looked into it prior to this, but. You know, looking at the stats and the pictures.
00:46:06
Speaker
In general, our experience with Oliver is there. They have two kind of categories of tools. Yeah, like like most brands. Right. Where there's sort of like the heavy duty stuff and then there's more of the consumer stuff. What does it look like? Does this look like one of the consumer tools or? Yeah, I mean, it's definitely not like a cast iron base. It's a, you know, a sheet metal base. And so like here's their
00:46:37
Speaker
Here's their... Alver has a 16 inch table saw. Here's their 10 inch, like, cabinet saw.
00:46:46
Speaker
Their 10-inch cabinet saw weighs 480 pounds. This saw weighs 266 pounds. So it's almost double the weight. Yeah. Is some of that in the top? Does it look like the wings cast iron? I mean, the base looks just like that. Just like a shaper. Yeah. The shaper was almost 700 pounds. It was 660 pounds, I think. Yeah.
00:47:15
Speaker
So yeah, like you know the motor mount and everything looks more robust on this But again, this is let's see they talk about price there
00:47:31
Speaker
I mean, we love our SawStop stuff. It's, we don't think, you know, it's overpriced. Yeah, this is a 3000. It's twice the price this saw, but it's five horsepower, 220. Oh, yeah. I don't know if he's got 220, but single phase, definitely. Yeah.
00:47:52
Speaker
Um, yeah, sorry, we couldn't be more help, Parker, but I'd say, uh, you know, a hybrid saw is going to be better than a contractor saw. Yeah. Not going to be as good as a cabinet saw, but better dust collection. Yeah. I mean, that's a, that's an important issue too.
00:48:10
Speaker
And something like this Oliver, like it clearly the motor mount is better than a contractor saw, you know, contractor saw that motors hanging in the front. Yeah. Yeah. With a big long belt. Yeah. And there's a lot of vibration. Yeah. I had a contractor saw 100 years ago, even with the V belt, which they say, you know, reduces vibration. It's it's still, you know, bumping and grinding.
00:48:38
Speaker
This Oliver 16 inch table saw. Yeah. 10 horsepower. Yeah. It weighs 986 pounds. What do you need a 16 inch table saw for? Cutting some tall stuff. It'll take an inch and a half dado.
00:48:57
Speaker
I don't want my hands near. That's a cut five and a half inch high. Yeah. Yeah, that's good. I only want that. So if we have somebody else to run. So I mean, we weren't completely no help. No. Yeah. Well, so what let's summarize what our opinions are.
00:49:23
Speaker
We think a cabinet saw is definitely the way to go. Yeah. If you want best cut quality by used cabinet saw, if you want something new, then get a hybrid saw. Yeah. Yeah. I know Delta makes a hybrid saw too.
00:49:39
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, what would you say is the biggest difference between a job site and a contractor? So if you have your job site set up, you know, in a table, so it's like at the right height and everything. Yeah. I mean, is there going to be that big of a difference?
00:50:01
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, typically the motors are very small on those jobsite saws and everything is plastic, basically. Yeah, the fence and... Yeah. Yeah, look for something like a Beismeier style fence, unless you're getting the Unisaw. Yep. The Unisaw style fence. Well, they don't even make that anymore. They don't. No, they have Beismeier style now. Oh, I like that fence. Yeah. I had the choice when I bought mine, you know, whether I could get the Beismeier or the...
00:50:27
Speaker
There's a the the Harvey has a high low like that. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you know why I got the high low fence. This norm had it.
00:50:40
Speaker
It's a good reason. I didn't I didn't know the difference myself. You know, it is nice for rippance. And you do get used to it. I used to keep it on the low setting all the time because you could really get your hand in there off to the side. I was always moving it. Yeah.
00:50:58
Speaker
That mantle maker. Yeah, you love putting his fingers near that place and look what it got him. Yeah Well Dickie nine fingers, yeah Well Parker if you have a if you can develop now a more specific question for us from what the information we gave you Yeah, which are best to answer it
00:51:19
Speaker
Yeah. And we could, we could hook you up with an auction website where if you're like in Pennsylvania, they're all over the place out there. If you're in the Midwest, there's probably like a hundred of them. Yeah. What's this next question have to say? How often, if ever do you ship pieces? What's your go-to process on creating and shipping? Cheers from Low Country Modern on Instagram.
Shipping Woodworking Pieces
00:51:48
Speaker
Well, as Green Street, we've only shipped the one, the sauce wall. I know you've had something freighted before. Yeah. In terms of process, you can go online and, excuse me, get a quote for freight and just pick whatever freight company you want to use, whether it's SIA or
00:52:15
Speaker
That was the one that delivered the the Oliver stuff. Oh, ABF. UPS, there's UPS rate, FedEx rate. Yeah. So you go on, you can pick whichever one you want. It'll give you all the prices sorted by lowest to highest, whatever. And then for the crate, I mean, just.
00:52:36
Speaker
Just create it up, just pack it nice. For sauce, we built a case at a three quarter inch plywood. Yeah. And set it on a couple of pallets. Yep. And then forklift, just put it in the truck. Yeah. I mean, those things are they're going in and out of 18 wheelers. So there's not a whole lot of potential damage, especially with three quarter finished like a, you know, this is pre-fin ply. Yeah. Which is pretty tough.
00:53:04
Speaker
Yeah, the driver thought the case was the case. So this thing can't get scratched? We're like, no, this is the crate. It's inside of there. What we built inside this. I don't know if that was a compliment. We just didn't know.
00:53:24
Speaker
Yeah, in the past I've done both freight. I'll say both. One was like the, you know, over the road guys. And I actually, to reduce the cost, because I don't have a forklift here, I put it in my truck and drove it to, there's that one down in Eaton Town, there's a place.
00:53:46
Speaker
and dropped it off there and i also did one of those things like they have the tv shows where you go online and bids yeah and they bid and some guy came by and it's like big van and i sent a couple of adirondack chairs down to virginia or maryland somewhere around there
00:54:08
Speaker
For the most part, we don't ship things because we have a small local business, we'll call it. Yeah, I mean, we're not opposed to it. It just hasn't really happened. Yeah, there's people we, I mean, I suppose if somebody wanted something that they saw on Instagram that we'd done and they were comfortable purchasing it sight unseen. Well, I guess that's kind of how most of the things are bought.
00:54:36
Speaker
As long as their money's green. Yeah, we'll we'll pack it up and ship it. I was now. Where's Loco? Where's he located? I want to see. I mean, low countries like that's like in the Carolinas when you talk about cuisine, right?
00:55:01
Speaker
says Charleston lover. So there you go. I mean, yeah, I don't know why I said Tennessee, why I thought that. But I wonder what his story is, if he's shipping stuff. Let us know. Yeah. Johnson's beautiful. Yeah.
00:55:19
Speaker
Jeff, this next question's for you. Yeah.
Back Issues in Woodworking
00:55:22
Speaker
Uh, Jeff, I heard you mentioned that you had slash have back issues. I have some as well. If you use a specific bag set or apron on install that helps at all. It's from Adam built by 80 on Instagram. Um, I have acute back problems. So my back doesn't, I don't have a, I don't have back problems per se, but I occasionally have problems with my back. If that makes sense. Um, you like a big belt.
00:55:49
Speaker
Yeah. So for install, I wear, you know, a three inch Occidental Ranger belt. Yeah. But, you know, I forget which bags I have on there, but I will wear an apron on install sometimes, depending on what we're doing. Like if if we're going out and it's a simple install, I might just pack my apron because I don't want to drag my belt out of my truck.
00:56:14
Speaker
But in terms of that and my back, they're not really related, I'd say. I'd say posture and the working conditions have the most effect on your back. Today I'm hunched over sanding, so my back's probably going to hurt. So if you can avoid those things.
00:56:36
Speaker
You know we were talking the other day about Why the benches are the height they are when they seem a little low yeah, maybe they maybe they could be a couple inches higher and We worked at a place with some real low benches. Yeah Really low there was a mutiny though
00:56:59
Speaker
Yeah, we worked in this place and all the benches were they 30 inches? Yeah, I can't remember because I raised mine about six inches. And because I just refused to work at that height. Yeah. And I said that I don't care. It's because it was, you know, for putting together cabinets, which then. Right. Right. They were all for for like working on assembling cabinet wasn't like a bench height.
00:57:28
Speaker
Yeah. So, um, your back hasn't been bothering too much. It may be, maybe tomorrow. And you've been doing a lot of rental on the house and. Oh God. Yeah. So now my hand hurts and my knees. Yeah. We're a mess. Yeah. All right. I wonder, uh, wonder what his, uh, specific problems are after job related. Yeah. Those back issues, man, are brutal.
00:57:54
Speaker
Yeah, they're tough to get over. Yeah. I remember when I was younger, my back used to hurt me all the time. And then I found out because I was always sleeping on my stomach. And being a young, poor musician, my bed was a futon with like a camel dip in the middle. No, like a glue factory horse. So turns out I'm sleeping in this awful position.
00:58:24
Speaker
And once I got a real bad my back problems went away Yeah, I wake up like once in the middle of the night and my back hurts and I just roll over and then I'm good Yeah Because it gets a little worn out
00:58:39
Speaker
All right. If a client asks for floating shelves, would you make them? Of course we would. Only if they pay. This is here you go.
Pricing Challenges
00:58:48
Speaker
Every time I get asked to make floating shelves and quote them, the clients are astounded at the price and don't go for them. Thinking of just saying I don't do them. Thoughts? Rob Vincip on Instagram.
00:59:03
Speaker
Well, Rob, I'd say don't box yourself out of doing them if someone's going to pay. Yeah. So I wouldn't I wouldn't create a blanket, you know, policy like that, but just you've quoted them enough times now where you know how much it costs. So when the conversation comes up, yeah, I do floating shelves that, you know, start at six hundred dollars a piece. Yeah. Something like that.
00:59:25
Speaker
Right. That, I mean, we get that all the time on everything. Um, not every customer, but, and we've sold one, two, three, four, five, at least we did them somewhere else. Didn't we? Yeah. Mendelsohn, Lori.
00:59:43
Speaker
Is that it? No. What's her name? Mantle? Did Mantle? Did we do those? No. We didn't. Yeah. Were we supposed to do those? She was talking about it. Hey, it's tax season. Who's got these clients got some money now?
00:59:59
Speaker
That's right. We got to start hitting up some of these old clients. Speaking of which, I just got my 2019 tax refund. Hey, cheers. About time. Thanks a lot. IRS. Yeah, just making a good point. You kind of know the price range. So it's not a big investment in time. If it comes up, say, yeah, this is what it's going to be. Yeah, like we use the shelfology brackets. We know they cost anywhere between 80 to 120 bucks.
01:00:28
Speaker
You're gonna use if you use an eight-quarter. It's gonna be It's a six inch deep or whatever called a foot deep However many board feet takes about four hours to make and it takes You know depending on how many you're installing a day to install right four of them right? We know some people do a
01:00:49
Speaker
do things a different way. Yeah, we build them out of solid wood, not quarter inch block wood. Yeah, if somebody looks for like a slab style shelf, we give them a slab of wood with the appropriate holes drilled in the back to slide onto the steel hangers.
01:01:10
Speaker
Rather than take two pieces of quarter inch plywood and put between and then put a piece of three quarter on the front and the sides and try and miter it and make it tight. And then you have a seam and you got perpendicular grain on the ends. Right. So what we have and then it takes you a day to make a couple of them is fast. It's it's the real thing.
01:01:38
Speaker
And it's I think it's probably cheaper to make it that way Yeah, I mean even if it wasn't it's just better right it's not well yeah That's you know you go like this on those shelves in here sounds like a hollow core door because that's what it is it sounds like this I
01:01:57
Speaker
Because it's just two pieces of quarter inch plywood with air in the middle. Right. So we've done them. People do balk at the price because they think, you know, they go, well, I can buy these melamine shelves at the Home Depot and put them on these standards and brackets. And that's going to cost me $49. Surely I could get myself a floating shelf for 250. Yeah. Yeah. That's no problem. Yeah.
01:02:25
Speaker
but that's our reality anyway so yeah you know everybody is you know they all fall over when they hear the price so and it's curious i i always want to say but you know i try not to be rude well how much do you make per hour how much is your time worth and there's a there's a new clothing company out of canada called troll
01:02:50
Speaker
And they have some good sayings that they're promoting on their sweatshirts and t-shirts. One is like inspirational quotes. No, more like fuck you quotes pardon my language. It's like dirty hands, clean money. I've seen that. But the other one is, you know, don't just pay me for my time, pay me for my expertise. Yeah. And as tradesmen,
01:03:17
Speaker
Sometimes talking about like the thirteen thousand dollar tooth surgery that is just got you. Oh, my God. Yeah, exactly. That's a little crazy. You're going to be in and out. Thirteen grand.
01:03:28
Speaker
Yeah. Well, we'll touch on that. But, um, as tradesmen, we're constantly fighting this image that our time and experience isn't worth something. Yeah. We're just hourly grunt workers. Yeah. We're just guys with a hammer and a tape measure. What do you mean you charge $55 an hour?
01:03:49
Speaker
Right. Well, how much how much do you earn? Yeah, I could do it if I just had the time. Yeah. Well, I could do your job and I can probably do it and my job. Well, you make phone calls all day. Yeah. I got a phone.
01:04:04
Speaker
Don't get us started. So yeah, I went to the dentist this morning for, no, I went yesterday at lunchtime for a consultation with the surgeon because I had this root canal that was done in 1981.
01:04:23
Speaker
I wasn't even a glimmer in my daddy's eye. So I was I was a broke kid and I had this toothache. So what do I do? I went to the dental college where it was free. Guinea pig.
01:04:40
Speaker
That's right. This is what you do when you when you're poor. What a deal. I mean, they got no experience. It didn't matter. Well, they said, oh, you're going to need a root canal. I said, OK.
01:04:56
Speaker
Well, that was the beginning of a 40 year problem. You probably didn't even need a root canal. They just needed someone to do a root canal. Exactly. We got to get a root canal done. This guy looks like so. Yeah. Each every like five years I'd find myself back at the dentist and this one tooth was always the problem. And eventually it degenerated to where there was decay and
01:05:22
Speaker
A couple of other teeth were affected, the adjoining teeth. And I wound up with, what is it? A bridge where they grind off the other teeth and put this thing on top. So that's what happened. And so now this bridge is failing.
01:05:41
Speaker
So the guy who did it, he's retired and I go to the dentist and he goes, Oh yeah, just matter of factly. Yeah. These things fail, you know, cause they're made of, there's cement in there and I'm under the impression that this is a lifetime thing.
01:05:57
Speaker
Nobody told me this was going to be like a there was a expiration date on my bridge. So now we're going to because of these the way these teeth were already ground down, we're going to have to give you implants.
01:06:12
Speaker
I'm like, what's that? He's like, well, we got to do this, that and the other thing. And the first I said, well, how long does this take? He says, well, the first operation will take about an hour, maybe an hour and a half. And then you got to come back in about four months. Yeah. We're going to pull your three teeth out. Yeah. And then that's an hour and a half. So
01:06:31
Speaker
This is what this is degenerated to. And then you got to let that heal and then we'll give you like these permanent fake teeth will screw in there. So I I leave there and and like says, well, I almost got to figure it out what your participation would be. You like how they word that, right? What's your participation in this? And I have insurance. I have pretty good insurance through my wife.
01:06:59
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who was a New York City school teacher. So right. I mean, that's any dental insurance is good. I don't have dental. Yeah. So I'm thinking that's going to be all right. So the lady calls me today at and tells me what my my participation, including my insurance, was going to be. It was thirteen thousand dollars.
01:07:28
Speaker
Like, yeah, your insurance will pay for the balloon we give you at the end. We'll give you a sticker. I said, listen, I'm a blue collar guy. I said, that's like buying a new car around here. Yeah. So you're going to have to reach into your bag of tricks and come up with some alternatives. Three new sauce stops.
01:07:48
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I said, because I'm not spending that, even if I had 13,000, I'm not giving it to you. I said, I'll let that tooth fall out. Yeah. Then you did have to work. That's right. After work's taken them out.
01:08:03
Speaker
So you drink about three or four of these, pull that sucker right out. That's right. I'll just start drinking a shot of bourbon every morning. And so I'm guessing that guy's getting paid for his expertise. Oh, yeah. And not just his time.
01:08:23
Speaker
Well, that was a little bit of a divergence. Yeah. And, you know, your insurance considers that cosmetic. Right. So it's the same thing like, all right, these shelves are cosmetic. You want them, you got to pay up. That's right. You don't need these shelves. But if you want them, OK, they're a thousand bucks apiece or whatever it costs. Right. Right. Whatever whatever your time is worth and however much time you spend. Yeah. I mean, when we price out floating shelves, I'm always shocked at what they really. Yeah. Like what it comes out to. Because it's it's work.
01:08:52
Speaker
We did two, two in cherry and it was like almost fifteen hundred bucks. Yeah. And that was like giving them away. Yeah. That was to the lady from the liquor store, right? Yeah.
01:09:06
Speaker
Yeah, but they were nice. I mean, they're super nice. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the install is a killer. It's a half a day no matter what. Right. You got to go there. There's, there's never any studs. You got to set them level. Yeah. Like the brackets we use don't, they're not on 16. So you gotta, you could hit a stud somewhere maybe or, you know,
01:09:27
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Right. It also depends on the length of the shelf. Yes. 30, 38 inches. You might get one in the middle. Yeah. Yeah. So then you're putting in anchors and you got to, you know, scribe it to the wall. Boy, there's a pipe in the wall. Yeah. Yeah. There's always something. Right. You got another, another question for Mandy here. Andy C makes on Instagram. All right. Splinters. You remove tweezers, razor blade, or leave it to work its way out.
Splinter Removal Methods
01:09:54
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Oh man. All of the above, right? Yeah.
01:09:57
Speaker
Siyama, tweezers are my first option. And then I go straight razor blade. I never leave it to work its way out. Yeah. I'm going to say, well, we have those like super needle nosy tweezers. Oh, no. You got to see the ones I have. Those are like blunt compared to the ones I have. The ones I have are literally like a pin on the end. Oh, I got to check those out. You have to bring them in. Yeah. I mean, if I look at my hands at any given day, there's probably about four or five
01:10:28
Speaker
I really don't get them. I wear gloves. Yeah. So I'm a non glove wearer and I always have several splinters that are beneath the skin that I either broke off and you just kind of have to get used to the idea of them being there. And eventually they'll get to the point where I know if I push on it, it'll come shooting out. I guess that's a little bit of an infection. If I can feel it in there and I know it's there, I have to get it out. I don't I can't leave it. Yeah.
01:10:58
Speaker
I'll literally I'll take a razor blade and cut it out. Yeah, no, I'm I guess I'm just so immune to the idea of it now. That I mean, look, you can see four split in my left hand. Can't get you a pair of gloves.
01:11:20
Speaker
And they have pretty rough skin, too. I mean, it's so it takes a takes a bit for a splinter to get through my hands. Yeah, that would sharp. That would be a good like a poll question. Yeah. You know what people, what's people's go to for the splinters? All right. I think we had a question similar to this early on in our careers as podcasters.
01:11:47
Speaker
Yeah, actually, it was wasn't that long ago. I was from Nicholas and Strubhart on Instagram.
Dream Projects
01:11:57
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What is a dream project you want to build?
01:12:01
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Well, anybody can remember my dream project still, and it's modest, and so I think I'll get to it, is some Morris furniture, some Morris style furniture. I'll probably give it my own bit of design influence, but pretty
01:12:21
Speaker
traditional. I want to do what I want to build. One of those recliners with the pegs, maybe a set team, maybe a sofa. I do like those Morris table. I just for whatever reason, that's that's really it for me right now.
01:12:39
Speaker
Yeah, I'll go back to my answer the first time we got like a question like this, which is to curate like an entire home. You know, everything from the kitchen to the furniture, built ins, all that stuff. Frank Lloyd Wright thing. Yeah. I mean, of course, I used to think like that, but you see, I don't think I have enough time left. Got to speed up.
01:13:03
Speaker
Well, I used to want to build the house, too. You know, I went up to Maine that summer and I learned how to do some timber framing. And this is how naive I was. Not that it's impossible, but
01:13:18
Speaker
I was going to build my timber frame house, you know, the timber frame part of the garage in Brooklyn and label all the parts. And then, you know, once I got my piece of property, I was going to, you know, assemble a crew and go up and assemble it. And it's it's not far from how they do it, like how companies do it. Oh, yeah. But that that was my dream to.
01:13:43
Speaker
and then follow through with yours, you know, to do the whole thing. I like that idea, but like the whole idea of a timber frame house just doesn't really, you know, just doesn't really do it for me. It just seems like so much wasted effort. You know, like, I want sheetrock inside my house. Well, you can put sheetrock there. I know, but then why not just stick frame it? I don't know.
01:14:04
Speaker
I'm sure people ask that question kind of about us. We're the masters of overwork here and overdoing it. Yeah, like I'd like to even, like you said, design the house itself because I come from a background of working for custom builders, so I've worked on
01:14:25
Speaker
a lot of houses and built them from a hole in the ground. Yeah, you've done that. From, yeah, from other people laying out the foundation all the way to the to the punch list. So I've worked on every phase of the job. So I know about, you know, architecture and how to lay out a house and stuff like that. I'm not saying that I'm I'm well written it, but I know enough where I could definitely, you know, enough to be dangerous. Yeah.
01:14:52
Speaker
And most of these jackasses out here don't know anyway. So that's the thing. When you see what people who are paid to do this, who have like spent their professional lives doing something, you go, I'm already better at this than they are. And that's not overstating our abilities. It's just most people don't care. They don't put their heart into it. Yeah, it's just a job instead of, you know, a craft. Yeah, there you go. That's a great way to put it.
01:15:23
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So these next two questions, you see, they kind of got lumped. Oh, second to last got lumped in with this last one. They kind of go together. All right.
Meeting Famous Woodworkers
01:15:32
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So I'll read this one up here. If you could meet any famous woodworker who is alive or not.
01:15:39
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who are not with us today, who would it be? That's from CT Woodwork on Instagram. Yeah, they might as well read the next one. If you had the opportunity to apprentice with one of the many masters of woodworking, who would it be and why? It's from our buddy, Lou. That's pretty cool. Yeah, it's funny that they were stuck together, that they both came in and they're, you know, they're very similar. I figured, you know, I mean, my answer to one is probably going to be the answer to the other. Maybe. Yeah. What do you got?
01:16:06
Speaker
Well, I'm going to say that I don't know too many guys. You know, I by name, you know, there's the crann off. Yeah. You know, not. Stically. Stically. And the Green brothers and stuff like that. Yeah. The Green the Green brothers didn't make anything, though. Yeah. Yeah. It was at the Hall Hall brothers were the guys that were making everything.
01:16:32
Speaker
I would probably say I don't know if I could classify him as a woodworker and this is a close one for me. I might say Frank Lloyd Wright because
01:16:45
Speaker
his thoughts on design and his eye and his aesthetic are just something I would want to be around and absorb and be immersed in. Like if you I have that I have a little box set of like postcards up there just filled with this stained glass designs. I mean this stuff is
01:17:09
Speaker
for me, the pinnacle of that kind of design work. So I'd say Frank Lloyd Wright with Norm being a close second. Well, you already met Norm. I know, but I didn't really have a chance to like, you know, we sat around the campfire and we did, you know, some work together. But I would love to
01:17:32
Speaker
You got to tell ghost stories. Yeah, we did. Well, yeah, we told stories. You know, I actually did. You know how he says that thing at the beginning of his shows where he says, and just remember, you know, most important tool is the way I did the impression of him while we're all sitting around the campfire about wearing safety glasses. Everybody cracked up like, oh, my God, this guy's got balls.
01:17:55
Speaker
He's fanboying out. Yeah, of course. No, he deserves it. Yeah, he deserves the adulation. Yeah, like, you know, new Yankee Workshop was before my time. Right. But I mean, I used to watch it a lot like going back maybe 10 years ago. And the thing is, if you've seen, I'll just say it again, I've said it before. The reason I really admire Norm so much.
01:18:18
Speaker
is because after meeting him, he's twice the man and twice the craftsman. Then he appears on TV if that's even possible. The real deal. Underrated is as far as that goes. So go ahead, Jeff. If I could meet any famous woodworker. Matt, you know, it's tough.
01:18:45
Speaker
I don't, I can't say I'd pick the same for each. Like maybe I would meet George Nakashima, an apprentice under Gustav Stickley, because like Nakashima is very alluring in his style and his whole sort of outlook.
01:19:05
Speaker
But the woodworking is I don't know. Then you look at like the Conoid chairs and then it's more simple and less like I feel like there's less to learn because it's so simple. Whereas the stickly stuff with all the exposed joinery and stuff, there's a lot of you know, there could be a lot to learn there. I don't know. It's a tough question, but I like I definitely like those two guys a lot. I like Krenov too, but
01:19:33
Speaker
Yeah, I'd say Krenov and Nakashima are more closely related in terms of the design and the static philosophical kind of aspect, whereas Stickley is more because the philosophical aspect is removed because it's all about functionality that that's more down to brass tacks about the woodworking itself. Right.
01:19:53
Speaker
Yeah, I like Stickley's point of view, too, you know, that everybody should be able to have good furniture. Yeah. And we kind of think that, too. Yeah. Yeah, those are two interesting questions that are kind of the same thing.
Vaccination and Meet-Ups
01:20:12
Speaker
It would be neat. It would be a lot of fun. I mean, we have a lot of fun just meeting the guests that we have here in the shop on the podcast because everybody's bringing something to the table in their own way. And we enjoy that aspect of it. We'll be getting back into that a little bit more in weeks to come next week. Yeah. Going for vaccine number two. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I had mine a week ago. Yeah.
01:20:35
Speaker
Actually, uh, who the hell was it? Somebody asked me, see, I, um, I've gotten in this habit of like screenshotting everything and then putting it into a specific folder in my phone with questions and somebody asked, let me see if I can find it here. Sorry for the delay.
01:21:07
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Yeah. I have a bunch of questions I missed. Well, I'll read
Creative Wood Use
01:21:10
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this one for now. All right. Just came into a pile of air dried walnut that's been drying for 25 years. It's from two trees, insect free, half is rough sawn and straight slash wide. The other half looks like it was plain down years ago and it ended up warping really bad.
01:21:27
Speaker
Looks to be about 400 board feet total, maybe 200-ish, that would be usable. Any suggestions on how I can save some of the gnarly stuff or use it for something interesting? It's good looking wood, and it would be a shame to waste, but milling it down would give me toothpicks. That's from Alan Shafer, Al about it on Instagram. Drop that stuff off.
01:21:52
Speaker
Yeah, I mean the gnarly stuff. It is what it is now. Yeah, you really don't have an option. It's either playing it down and make door panels out of it or... It's shorter parts. Yeah. You know, you can get more out of it. I don't know how I missed all these questions. Uh, you're getting the half timers. Yeah.
01:22:14
Speaker
We got anything else for Al with the walnut? Al, man, just drop it by. There's nothing you can do with that wood. 213 Wilson Avenue. Yeah, just bring it over. We'll help you load it out of the truck, whatever you're going to bring it by.
Missed Questions
01:22:28
Speaker
We'll make sure it ends up in a good home. Yeah, yeah. You know, I had something on my mind there for a minute and a half, but
01:22:36
Speaker
Oh, actually, yeah, this one that I... This wasn't a question for the podcast. I was thinking, this guy Hunter, which is my son's name, messaged us about something, but it wasn't a... Oh, didn't have anything to do with the podcast. No. But I had someone ask about, um... Sorry, I can't... Oh, it was, uh... Where is it? Where is it? Where is it? Where is it?
01:23:04
Speaker
Oh, it was Jeff that Hernandez. He was asking, you know, if we're going to be doing any kind of meet up soon. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I was going to say that by the time I'm getting my shot next week, that's going to be about your like party day for. Yeah. As the the medical professionals say, you're you're. Immune immunity till we get this double mutant.
01:23:30
Speaker
Double mutant strain that just popped up in India. Yeah. Sometimes you ever get the feeling that we're never going to be rid of this this way of life. Yeah.
01:23:43
Speaker
I mean, it's been over a year. I guess where we've come to acclimate as best we can. Right. But do you find yourself when you if you're watching a TV show or something like that and you see people just going up and shaking hands, does it seem a little bit weird? Isn't that crazy?
01:24:03
Speaker
or in like a movie or something everybody's like on the subway yeah like this is weird oh man i'm not getting on that germ tube you're just like man people used to we just used to all be congregated together with no spring break yeah well but yeah anyway uh
01:24:22
Speaker
We do want to do something, you know, relatively soon, maybe early summer. Yeah, I think that would be a good like pencil it in kind of thing. Of course, you have to take everything a step at a time. Yeah. Yeah. You know, capacities are low right now. And even, you know, with vaccine, it's there's still a risk of. Right. You can still spread it as it's always going to be a small risk. Yeah. So obviously we'll take all that into account. But yeah, we'd like to do something a little get together.
01:24:52
Speaker
That would be a lot of fun. Yeah. Put some faces to names. Yeah. All right. So you want to go on to the last question we got? Yeah, sure. All right.
Sketching in Woodworking
01:25:05
Speaker
I'm currently lofting out some full size drawings for a big ass built in.
01:25:11
Speaker
I'm finding it annoying and tedious. However, it's forcing me to get a lot of things down on paper I might normally do in my head, as well as presenting me with questions I didn't yet know I had. I'm wondering if you guys ever do this. What do you think the possible benefits are as well as drawbacks, if any? That's from Luke. Cal builds on Instagram.
01:25:36
Speaker
Well, I think we got that answer. Yeah, we don't typically draw anything out full scale unless it's like a singular part that needs to be made, a template, a unique shape. But we draw everything in 3D, either in Sketchup or Fusion, which is it's essentially the same thing as to scale. So that helps us work through all those problems that you're talking about that you don't you don't necessarily think of when you're looking at something too deep. Right. So I'd say the benefits are huge.
01:26:06
Speaker
that, like you said, you're running into problems here and you're thinking about them before you get to fabrication, which gives you time to A, think about it and B, come up with a solution. So. Yeah. Um, sketching things out, whether it's, um, pencil and paper, because that's the way we all did things back in the stone age. And when I started, I did everything to deep pencil and paper. I did full working drawings that way. Um,
01:26:33
Speaker
3D drawing programs change everything. If you don't know them, invest the time, invest a small amount of money, a lot of these things, the basic, there's free versions for everything.
01:26:51
Speaker
There's, as Jeff said, there's Fusion 360, which is a very full program. I mean, it'll, it does more than, you know, you probably ever need it to do.
01:27:03
Speaker
Yeah, they design like you can draw an entire F1 car with all the movement, right? The engine and everything hydraulics and do material testing and stress, you know, stress test and this sketch up, which is he's sort of like the he was the main player and for a long time and now, especially for makers.
01:27:24
Speaker
Yeah, he's really trying to play catch up because now they have parametric design and they change their logo. Yes, they change the logo to indicate that they're they're trying to play with the big boys. Yeah. But as far as just like building furniture, you know, SketchUp will will work for you and it's easily attainable. It's free. It's everywhere. And
01:27:53
Speaker
Like I learned, there are people out there, if you have trouble learning with YouTube videos and that sort of thing, you need somebody hands on. I actually found somebody to teach it to me and we just did a swap of labor. You could probably just go on like Skillshare, Fiverr, something like that and find somebody to tutor you. Exactly. It's not out of your reach.
01:28:16
Speaker
Uh, and like you said, this is where you discover all the things that you need to do to build the project. Like we typically design from the outside and we say, okay, that looks right. Cause that's what we're selling to the client. We got to get the, the exterior dimensions.
01:28:35
Speaker
Yeah, they don't care how it's put together. But they don't want to know how the sauce is made. Then they say, OK, now we got to go back and pull those things apart and go, how's this going to get put together? And we have to factor in what's feasible. What do we have tooling wise? How long is it going to take us to do it this way instead of that way? Is it going to be strong? And we do we have to take it apart and put it back together.
01:29:03
Speaker
So I think we hit on all of his points there. Yeah, I don't really think there's any drawback. None. And as long as you're proficient, it doesn't take a lot of time.
01:29:14
Speaker
Yeah. And I'll tell you this that, uh, I was in the position that you're in where I did a lot of the figuring in my head when I worked by myself, but now there's Jeff
3D Drawing Software
01:29:26
Speaker
and I. So we're sort of forced to explain things to one another. And that brings us back to our drawings.
01:29:36
Speaker
Yeah. So we can't I can't cut it. Oh, Rob, how big is this going to be? You can't say I'm going to figure that out. No, I need to know now because we got to keep working. Yeah. So we have I got to build the cabinet first before we know how big the doors are going to be. Right. And at first it was a little bit of that because it takes a while to adjust. But these it's all part of the process and
01:30:01
Speaker
Yeah, you kept putting the numbers backwards, too. Yeah, I told you I want length before width and don't call that depth. Oh, my God. Yeah, because the twenty three and a half inch by thirty four and a half inch, I'm not sure which one is which. That's the side of the cabin or the top.
01:30:24
Speaker
Doesn't take much for us to digress, does it? No. Oh man. So Luke, go for it, man. Find yourself some sort of program and dive in feet first. Yeah.
01:30:37
Speaker
If you have any questions, Jeff's pretty good at Fusion and I'm pretty good at SketchUp. We might be able to help you out. But like I said, almost every answer is on YouTube. Oh, yeah. And they have big, big self-help communities in those programs. Self-help? Oh, self-help. Pretty poignant. Yeah. The tough get going, the go and get tough. How's that go? That's the thing I said this morning. You're smart and strong and you can do this.
01:31:07
Speaker
You're good. You're strong, smart, and you got this. Yeah. Just imagine the picture of a kitten hanging on a branch. Yeah. Nonstop and get these spam emails about our website.
Beer Tasting Review
01:31:26
Speaker
Do you want your website to be number one on Google? No. No, thanks. Well, yeah, I started to cut off all these things to the end.
01:31:37
Speaker
And now I forget what the hell we talk about here the week, I guess, right? Yeah, yeah. We both think of milk shaking it by Icarus brewing. I'm going to say that as flavor goes, last week we had that Smithwick. That thing was right up my alley. This one, not so much, but I enjoyed it for its.
01:32:00
Speaker
distinctiveness I'll say right it was a little bit I don't know is bitter the right word I don't yeah but I usually like bitter tasting maybe it's too hoppy for you oh that's probably what it is I liked it
01:32:22
Speaker
I didn't get a lot of vanilla. I definitely picked up on the lactose. Milkshake. I wouldn't go that far. I'm not sure why they call it that. It's like the lactose in there. Like it has a little bit of like a milky kind of flavor and the sweetness. A little bit sweet for my taste. And I didn't realize that it's 8.1 percent. A little boozy for me. Yeah. This like I drank like a third of it and I was like like
01:32:52
Speaker
feeling a little bit of the booze. We're lightweight here. We do not drink a lot. No. And we don't eat a lot during the day. I did enough drinking in my younger years to make up for it. But yeah, it was good. I guess the wheat maybe in there is giving it some of that sweetness too. Heavily weeded and and outed.
01:33:10
Speaker
with lactose and vanilla. I think it's the hoppiness because I remember when we were at Triumph that time. I remember when you had like those flights. I think hoppy beers are not my thing. See, I love hops. That's that piney and sort of you get the tropical. Yeah, yeah, that's probably it. But yeah, you can smell the booze. Yeah.
01:33:40
Speaker
It's a little hot, you know, in the back of the throat, you can you can taste the alcohol. But this, if you aged it for a couple of years, it'd probably be really good because they mellow out. I have a beer at home. I have one left. It's a 22 ounce bottle. I brewed it on January 1st, 2012. It's a bourbon barrel stout. So it's a stout and I aged it on oak staves with Maker's Mark bourbon. When is that going to be beer of the week? I don't know.
01:34:09
Speaker
I've been saving it for something. I don't know what, but it's, you know, it's going on. 50th show. Going on 10 years. Since I brewed it. That's what we'll save it for. 50th? Yeah. Only 20 more shows. 21. Yeah. Five months from now. Icarus. I like the name Icarus.
Band Promotion
01:34:30
Speaker
Yeah. Liquid. We'll be going there to pick up some glass pretty soon. Oh, that's right.
01:34:36
Speaker
Yeah, Lakewood. Watch out, though. They got some bad driving down there. Yeah. It's a bad place to be with a lot of glass.
01:34:49
Speaker
So time to thank everybody. Yeah. Yeah. As always, the the beer of the week and the tool of the week will be down in the description. If you want to American Craftsman podcast glass, head over to the Web site. We got a couple of those left that we can send out. You know what else I wanted? I want to tell everybody to go to Reverb Nation. Oh, yeah.
01:35:09
Speaker
So the website's ReverbNation.com and my band, the New Soul Rebellion, posted up some songs. I'd like you to take a listen if you put a link and, you know, check it out and let me know what you think. That's what really looking for some honest feedback. Yeah. Yeah. And is there a spot on Reverb where they can leave a comment or, you know, see you on Instagram? Yeah, they probably could Instagram me. Which is what? Rob. Rob. Underscore Green. Underscore Green. Underscore Street. Yep. Yep.
01:35:40
Speaker
Yeah, I'd like to spread the word and see just what you guys think. Don't be afraid to say anything that's unsettling. Got a thick skin after all these years.
Podcast Support
01:35:55
Speaker
If you if you want to support the podcast directly, you can become one of our patrons. So every week we do an after show. So we'll sit down here for about a half hour or an hour and do a little shoot the breeze. Yeah. We talk about all kinds of stuff. We might talk about ancient aliens or all the Navy. Yeah. The new UFO, you know, manifesto that they're going to draw. Yeah. And we might talk about some woodworking too.
01:36:24
Speaker
You get all kinds of dirt on people. Oh yeah, this is where we let it fly. If you're one of these 20 people here, you get to hear all the dirt. You get to hear what we really think of a few people.
01:36:40
Speaker
So if you want to if you'd like to join link is in the description. We appreciate if you did. Yeah. No pressure if you don't want to. But it's nice. You know, you get basically an hour of exclusive podcast a week. Yeah. Yeah. And it keeps us keeps us going. Yeah.
01:37:00
Speaker
Um, because we lose half a day here. It does help supplement to some small degree. Yeah, I'm at home until, you know, seven, eight o'clock, getting everything put together. Yeah, Jeff usually texts me like 8.30. He's like, Oh, just finished. If it's a long one, forget about it. I got to compress audio files and split. Yeah.
01:37:23
Speaker
But yeah, thank our gold-tier patrons, speaking of Patreon, David Murphy, Manny Sirianni, Dustin Fair, Adam Pothast, and David Schumacher. Schumacher! Damn it! Schumacher! It's gonna take me a while. Yeah. I don't know why.
01:37:40
Speaker
Beats me. Because I probably poisoned your mind. Well, we went a couple of weeks before we found out that it was Shoemaker. My wife still corrects me when I'm the pronunciation of her name. We've been married for 20 years. I don't even know what it is anymore. I don't even know. Andrea? I'm going to say Andrea. But I call her Andrea and she corrects me. She's like, why can't you?
01:38:08
Speaker
It's been 20 years. I think my wife said it every possible way over here a couple of weeks ago. That's like the plumber, Mario. She's calling him Mario, Mario. Every time it's different. Just pick one.
Pronunciation Humor
01:38:22
Speaker
It's probably Mario. Nobody says Mario. Not in New Jersey. No, I went to school with kids that were from Italy. He was Mario Ingado, not Mario.
01:38:33
Speaker
Just when he says it, it sounds different. He's a model. Well, we appreciate you guys tuning in. We'll see you next week for episode 30.
01:39:05
Speaker
Ain't no shame, but there's been a chain.